Mintchip said:

This many months on, I still can't listen to his music. Logically, I'm torn, with the larger part of me believing he did it, along with some doubt. But when I hear the music - nope. Nope, nope, nope. Threatened, In the Closet, PYT, The Way You Make Me Feel, Torture, Beat It, Can You Feel It - I loved these songs, but. Nope. Can't do it. Maybe it'll change, but meantime? Gross.

You're taking the food right out of poor Tito's mouth. Not fair man.

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Cloudbuster said:

Mintchip said:

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

I am curious....do other celebrities engage in this type of conduct with kids?? Again, MJ was found innocent of these charges.

What “conduct” are you speaking of? If you mean inviting HUNDREDS of CHILDREN and their families to the most beautiful place in the world; in order to enjoy free an amusement park, a zoo, food,movies, FREE, then I know of no other celebrity with that kind of heart. If you mean inviting soldiers who returned from war with their CHILDREN/Families to Neverland for a day or days of relaxation and fun, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with this “conduct”. If you mean a man who had a movie theater built with hospital beds so sick children could enjoy a movie in comfort, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with that kind of heart and kindness. If you mean a man who visited hospitals and orphanages during every stop on his world tours, in order to give children hope, then I don’t know of any other celebrity who would take the time to do that and engage in such selfless “conduct”. If you mean a man who designated in his will that 30% of his fortune would be delegated to children’s charities, then I don’t know of any celebrity with that type of heartwarming, loving, awesome, unselfish CONDUCT like that. Damn, I would rather have that “conduct” a million times more than the arrogant, rude, selfish, behavior of a lot of these celebrities. Michael’s philanthropy and humanitarianism is legendary. I assume this is the “conduct” you are speaking of because this is what Michael represented beside being a great singer, songwriter,composer, dancer, producer, artist, entertainer extraordinaire.😎 [Edited 8/24/19 1:53am]

I would say the conduct in question is having a series of pre-pubescent boys of a similar age go out/travel with him etc, and to all intents and purposes 'look' like they're a couple.

I'm looking for an innocent similar example somewhere in the world. It is the strangest of behaviour, and he hid it in plain sight using his celebrtity and image.

leecaldon said:

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said: What “conduct” are you speaking of? If you mean inviting HUNDREDS of CHILDREN and their families to the most beautiful place in the world; in order to enjoy free an amusement park, a zoo, food,movies, FREE, then I know of no other celebrity with that kind of heart. If you mean inviting soldiers who returned from war with their CHILDREN/Families to Neverland for a day or days of relaxation and fun, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with this “conduct”. If you mean a man who had a movie theater built with hospital beds so sick children could enjoy a movie in comfort, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with that kind of heart and kindness. If you mean a man who visited hospitals and orphanages during every stop on his world tours, in order to give children hope, then I don’t know of any other celebrity who would take the time to do that and engage in such selfless “conduct”. If you mean a man who designated in his will that 30% of his fortune would be delegated to children’s charities, then I don’t know of any celebrity with that type of heartwarming, loving, awesome, unselfish CONDUCT like that. Damn, I would rather have that “conduct” a million times more than the arrogant, rude, selfish, behavior of a lot of these celebrities. Michael’s philanthropy and humanitarianism is legendary. I assume this is the “conduct” you are speaking of because this is what Michael represented beside being a great singer, songwriter,composer, dancer, producer, artist, entertainer extraordinaire.😎 [Edited 8/24/19 1:53am]

I would say the conduct in question is having a series of pre-pubescent boys of a similar age go out/travel with him etc, and to all intents and purposes 'look' like they're a couple.

I'm looking for an innocent similar example somewhere in the world. It is the strangest of behaviour, and he hid it in plain sight using his celebrtity and image.

Bill Dworin, the lead investigator of the LAPD, confirmed the Jordan Chandler description matched Michael's peepee. He also said the boy was very consistent in his story. Michael who had spent 5 months not caring to particularly please Evan Chandler, throwing insignificant numbers at him, settled exactly 3 weeks after the strip search for 23M. But, in my view, seeing Michael's aroused peepee doesn't equate to sex. Jordan may have seen it and may have shared his bed with Michael for hundreds of nights, including 30 in a row in his own (Jordan's) bedroom, but sleep doesn't mean sex. They held hands in public and spent hours on the phone but that isn't sex. Michael was too pure and naive not to smell the coffee.

IfItAintToy said:

Mikado said:

IfItAintToy said:

Bill Dworin, the lead investigator of the LAPD, confirmed the Jordan Chandler description matched Michael's peepee. He also said the boy was very consistent in his story. Michael who had spent 5 months not caring to particularly please Evan Chandler, throwing insignificant numbers at him, settled exactly 3 weeks after the strip search for 23M. But, in my view, seeing Michael's aroused peepee doesn't equate to sex. Jordan may have seen it and may have shared his bed with Michael for hundreds of nights, including 30 in a row in his own (Jordan's) bedroom, but sleep doesn't mean sex. They held hands in public and spent hours on the phone but that isn't sex. Michael was too pure and naive not to smell the coffee.

Curiously, the grand jury that was impanelled didn't seem to think they matched at all. Chandler also claimed that Jackson was circumsized which was later revealed to not be the case after his autopsy was released.

The jury never had access to any photos. Only a handful of people have namely Jonnie Cochran and Carl Douglas. Cochran wanted MJ to settle even though he agreed to defend guilty-as-hell OJ in a criminal trial. Carl Douglas called the pics "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Tom Sneddon, who also had access to the pics, wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial but Meserau boycotted it. The man who did the pics also said he saw a blotch in Michael's pennis. Besides, the Chandlers refused to cooperate after they got the dough which is why any and all investigations, indictments etc ceased. As for being circumsized there is no evidence Chandler claimed that. That's one of those things the MJFam has been throwing around like the "The FBI investigated MJ for 10 years" BS.

[Edited 9/1/19 16:28pm]

IfItAintToy said:

Mikado said:

IfItAintToy said: Curiously, the grand jury that was impanelled didn't seem to think they matched at all. Chandler also claimed that Jackson was circumsized which was later revealed to not be the case after his autopsy was released.

The jury never had access to any photos. Only a handful of people have namely Jonnie Cochran and Carl Douglas. Cochran wanted MJ to settle even though he agreed to defend guilty-as-hell OJ in a criminal trial. Carl Douglas called the pics "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Tom Sneddon, who also had access to the pics, wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial but Meserau boycotted it. The man who did the pics also said he saw a blotch in Michael's pennis. Besides, the Chandlers refused to cooperate after they got the dough which is why any and all investigations, indictments etc ceased. As for being circumsized there is no evidence Chandler claimed that. That's one of those things the MJFam has been throwing around like the "The FBI investigated MJ for 10 years" BS.

[Edited 9/1/19 16:28pm]

The circumcision claim is right here - "Mike circumcised". And, by the looks of that note, it would seem like Evan Chandler was rather dedicatedly brainstorming what Michael Jackson's penis looked like what with the words "my theory" on the side. According to the book Ray Chandler (Jordan's uncle) did, Evan had given Michael some sort of medical shot in the glutes, so he walked into the situation at least knowing that area was blotchy. Given the general blotchy tone of Jackson's body, it seems pretty obvious you could fill in the blanks and make an educated guess that he also had a blotchy skin tone on his genitals. More than that though, I've always found it curious that the blotch in question seems to move from the left side to the right side of the penis, and also from a pink-ish color to a brown-ish color depending on who's telling the story. Surely the description of such a distinctive mark would be consistant from all parties who supposedly saw it? There were only a handful of people in the room when the photographs were taken (Sneddon was not among them).

Free2BMe said:

“Wade Robson is a piece of shit and a liar”.Jason Lee at MTV awards when asked about the fraudomentary and fske accusers. Of course, every sane, AWARE, and intelligent person knows Robliar and his sidekick, Flipchuck are liars AND extortionists. “Sorry Wade, you are not good enough for our show”. John Branca, co-executor of MJ Estate ...and THAT’S the BOTTOMLINE folks. Robson, as a grown ass man, SUDDENLY decided he was “molested” after he was turned down for the MJ cirque show. Let’s not forget that this GROWN ASS MAN voluntarily and happily defended Michael in a court of law, under oath and fear of perjury that he had NEVER been “abused” by Michael. Let’s not forget that for TWO DECADES this GROWN ASS MAN defended Michael, wrote glowing essays about him, asked to be married at NEVERLAND, did tributes to his so-called “abuser” after his death, attended his memorial, etc. Let’s not forget that this liar dated Michael’s niece for 10+ years during the time he claimed to have been “abused” hundreds of times. Let’s not forget that Brandi, Michael’s niece, was with him at Neverland, when the liar said he was alone with Michael. Let’s also not forget that the liar’s mama, sister and Brandi’s brother, Siggy was there when Wadeliar claimed he was “butt raped” 100’s of times. Finally, let’s not forget that this piece of shit and liar has a 1.5 billion lawsuit against the Michael Jackson Estate because they refused to give in to his extortion attempt. Yes, Jason, the AWARE, sane and intelligent people already know that Wade Robson is a piece of shit and a damn liar. Thank you for recognizing that and having the balls to say it. Others are coming out and saying basically the same thing. Of course it is obvious that It’s only the weak-minded, pedophile FANTASISTS( Robson, Safechuck, Reed and others with that mindset), and people with an agenda who WANT these Lies to be true.

Yeah, that "hundreds of times" comment. According to Joy Robson MJ was present for only four of their many visits to his home so when would he have had the opportunity to abuse her son "hundreds of times"? It's as nonsensical as Safechuck's claims that he was abused at the Neverland train station between 1988 and 1992 even though permission for construction wasn't granted until 1993 and it wasn't opened until 1994. Dan Reed then claims that Safechuck got the dates wrong and that the abuse obviously took place at the train station in 1994 but MJ was with Lisa Marie in New York that year recording the HIStory album.

I agree with you that the shade that Branca directed at Wade for not being good enough for their show is the crux of this whole pathetic mess. If Wade had been selected for the choreographer role there'd be no Leaving Neverland. The Safechucks get hit with a demand for nearly one million dollars and James sees Wade on TV accusing MJ of molestation and suddenly realizes that he was sexually abused too.

What an absolute fucking crock of shit this LN farce is.

Cloudbuster said:

darlingnikkkki said:

Time to lock these threads that don’t focus on the music of non-Prince artists as the hate on this forum is just not good for us Prince fans who just want to discuss music of other artists.

Instead of your constant baiting and shit-stirring you could just ignore the thread.

Free2BMe said:

Yeah that! The disgusting thing is that these morons who defend these pieces of shit and frauds are almost as guilty as they are, because these people know 100% that Robliar and Fakechuck are lying MFers. The supporters of these fake “victims” WANT an innocent man to be guilty because of their OWN agenda. A person would have to be completly insane to believe that this piece of 💩would be molested/butt @#$&*# 100s of times and NO ONE-his girlfriend(Michael’s niece), his mama, or his sister didn’t notice. This damn liar was still dancing every day. His ass was never examined by any doctor anywhere. The absurdity of these allegations should make any sane and normal person call BullShit! However, as I have always stated, there are morons and idiots sitting around “getting off” and “getting their jollies” and having pedophilic FANTASIES at the sick thought of a man having sex with a boy. Not only are the three perpretrators sick and vile, the people who play into these liars’ sick narrative and support this NAMBLA/child porn movie and the lying FAKE “victims “are equally as vile and sick.🤮🤮🤮

For me that's the most peculiar and disturbing factor in all of this. What on earth is wrong with those people. It's as if the court documents, interviews and recorded phone conversations exposing the accusers just simply don't exist.

Cloudbuster said:

darlingnikkkki said:

darlingnikkkki said:

Isn’t there an MJ forum where you can discuss these things instead of clogging this forum?

Instead of your constant baiting and shit-stirring you could just ignore the thread.

Mikado said:

IfItAintToy said:

The jury never had access to any photos. Only a handful of people have namely Jonnie Cochran and Carl Douglas. Cochran wanted MJ to settle even though he agreed to defend guilty-as-hell OJ in a criminal trial. Carl Douglas called the pics "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Tom Sneddon, who also had access to the pics, wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial but Meserau boycotted it. The man who did the pics also said he saw a blotch in Michael's pennis. Besides, the Chandlers refused to cooperate after they got the dough which is why any and all investigations, indictments etc ceased. As for being circumsized there is no evidence Chandler claimed that. That's one of those things the MJFam has been throwing around like the "The FBI investigated MJ for 10 years" BS.

[Edited 9/1/19 16:28pm]

The circumcision claim is right here - "Mike circumcised". And, by the looks of that note, it would seem like Evan Chandler was rather dedicatedly brainstorming what Michael Jackson's penis looked like what with the words "my theory" on the side. According to the book Ray Chandler (Jordan's uncle) did, Evan had given Michael some sort of medical shot in the glutes, so he walked into the situation at least knowing that area was blotchy. Given the general blotchy tone of Jackson's body, it seems pretty obvious you could fill in the blanks and make an educated guess that he also had a blotchy skin tone on his genitals. More than that though, I've always found it curious that the blotch in question seems to move from the left side to the right side of the penis, and also from a pink-ish color to a brown-ish color depending on who's telling the story. Surely the description of such a distinctive mark would be consistant from all parties who supposedly saw it? There were only a handful of people in the room when the photographs were taken (Sneddon was not among them).

That note was not made by the Chandlers. There is no brainstorming. All Jordan said was that there was a splotch in Michael's penis only visible when it was aroused. All the people who saw the pics and the penis said it matched...including Carl Douglas, MJ's 93 lawyer who called it "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Besides, there is no evidence Jordan said Michael was circumcised. And Michael wouldn't pay 23M three weeks after the strip search out of the goodness of his heart and with the pics exonerating him.

You are being disohnest regarding Tom Sneddon. In fact, you are lying through your teeth. Sneddon was in the room when the strip search was made and, being the lead prosecutor, he obviously had access to the pics. In fact, if anyone had, it was him so much so that he wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial. Mesereau boycotted his attempt and I ask you: why would he do that if the pics didn't match? Wouldn't that be a good way of vindicating Michael regarding the 93 case? There's your answer.

darlingnikkkki said:

IfItAintToy said:

IfItAintToy said:

Mikado said:

The circumcision claim is right here - "Mike circumcised". And, by the looks of that note, it would seem like Evan Chandler was rather dedicatedly brainstorming what Michael Jackson's penis looked like what with the words "my theory" on the side. According to the book Ray Chandler (Jordan's uncle) did, Evan had given Michael some sort of medical shot in the glutes, so he walked into the situation at least knowing that area was blotchy. Given the general blotchy tone of Jackson's body, it seems pretty obvious you could fill in the blanks and make an educated guess that he also had a blotchy skin tone on his genitals. More than that though, I've always found it curious that the blotch in question seems to move from the left side to the right side of the penis, and also from a pink-ish color to a brown-ish color depending on who's telling the story. Surely the description of such a distinctive mark would be consistant from all parties who supposedly saw it? There were only a handful of people in the room when the photographs were taken (Sneddon was not among them).

That note was not made by the Chandlers. There is no brainstorming. All Jordan said was that there was a splotch in Michael's penis only visible when it was aroused. All the people who saw the pics and the penis said it matched...including Carl Douglas, MJ's 93 lawyer who called it "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Besides, there is no evidence Jordan said Michael was circumcised. And Michael wouldn't pay 23M three weeks after the strip search out of the goodness of his heart and with the pics exonerating him.

You are being disohnest regarding Tom Sneddon. In fact, you are lying through your teeth. Sneddon was in the room when the strip search was made and, being the lead prosecutor, he obviously had access to the pics. In fact, if anyone had, it was him so much so that he wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial. Mesereau boycotted his attempt and I ask you: why would he do that if the pics didn't match? Wouldn't that be a good way of vindicating Michael regarding the 93 case? There's your answer.

https://themichaeljackson...he-police/

Free2BMe said:

IfItAintToy said:

That note was not made by the Chandlers. There is no brainstorming. All Jordan said was that there was a splotch in Michael's penis only visible when it was aroused. All the people who saw the pics and the penis said it matched...including Carl Douglas, MJ's 93 lawyer who called it "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Besides, there is no evidence Jordan said Michael was circumcised. And Michael wouldn't pay 23M three weeks after the strip search out of the goodness of his heart and with the pics exonerating him.

You are being disohnest regarding Tom Sneddon. In fact, you are lying through your teeth. Sneddon was in the room when the strip search was made and, being the lead prosecutor, he obviously had access to the pics. In fact, if anyone had, it was him so much so that he wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial. Mesereau boycotted his attempt and I ask you: why would he do that if the pics didn't match? Wouldn't that be a good way of vindicating Michael regarding the 93 case? There's your answer.

Stop lying. Meserau boycotted bringing in prior “evidence” from other fake accusers. The judge allowed it anyway. Sneddon brought all kinds of “evidence” into this hoax of a trial. Therefore, IF the photos had matched Mad Dog Sneddon would have brought them in. There’s YOUR answer.

That is precisely what I said. Sneddon tried bringing the photos in but Mesereau boycotted it.

As for the judge allowing it, you're wrong. He would only allow the pics IF Jordan Chandler testified for it would be unfair to bring the pics and not cross-examine the person who was responsible for them. That was the argument Mesereau put forward and the judge rulled his way.

Cloudbuster said:

IfItAintToy said:

That note was not made by the Chandlers. There is no brainstorming. All Jordan said was that there was a splotch in Michael's penis only visible when it was aroused. All the people who saw the pics and the penis said it matched...including Carl Douglas, MJ's 93 lawyer who called it "the 300-pound gorilla in the room". Besides, there is no evidence Jordan said Michael was circumcised. And Michael wouldn't pay 23M three weeks after the strip search out of the goodness of his heart and with the pics exonerating him.

You are being disohnest regarding Tom Sneddon. In fact, you are lying through your teeth. Sneddon was in the room when the strip search was made and, being the lead prosecutor, he obviously had access to the pics. In fact, if anyone had, it was him so much so that he wanted to introduce them as evidence in the trial. Mesereau boycotted his attempt and I ask you: why would he do that if the pics didn't match? Wouldn't that be a good way of vindicating Michael regarding the 93 case? There's your answer.

https://themichaeljackson...he-police/

I have read that website and more. Just months ago I was a MJ supporter so I know all the arguments already. What I did was I read the other side and weighed the evidence from the two parties. When you're ready you will do the same and, I guarantee you, you'll reach the same sad, devastating conclusion that I did. Nobody wants MJ to be a pedophile. Nobody wants the man whom we worshipped and spent so much time on to be the opposite of what we believed. Unfortunately life isn't how we want it.

IfItAintToy said:

Cloudbuster said:

https://themichaeljackson...he-police/

I have read that website and more. Just months ago I was a MJ supporter so I know all the arguments already. What I did was I read the other side and weighed the evidence from the two parties. When you're ready you will do the same and, I guarantee you, you'll reach the same sad, devastating conclusion that I did. Nobody wants MJ to be a pedophile. Nobody wants the man whom we worshipped and spent so much time on to be the opposite of what we believed. Unfortunately life isn't how we want it.

"Putting aside why Dr. Strick was not involved in making a determination and who exactly later told him that the description was a match, the fact that Jackson was not arrested after the strip search and indicted by any of the two Grand Juries which were convened against him, indicates that, despite Sneddon’s claims, there was no match."

Thanks for your concern but you can keep your guarantees.

IfItAintToy said:

IfItAintToy said: