MJ did sue Dimond, along with the child porn advocate Vic Gutiérrez, but she escaped on a technicality while Gutiérrez was ordered to pay MJ 2.7 million in damages.
He declared bankruptcy and fled to Chile.

Here's what Omer Bhatti said regarding Michael's allegations:

“I don’t wish to say too much about it, but I will say Michael in many ways was very innocent. But you can’t expect everybody to have the same view on everything. […] To him certain things were natural and completely innocent, things that not necessarily all people would view the same way.”

– Omer Bhatti towards Elle (a norwegian magazine)

Remember, Omer was the boy who lived with Michael from 1996 up to 2009. He was Michael's longest "special friend" and, when asked, said this.

[Edited 9/2/19 10:20am]

IfItAintToy said:

IfItAintToy said:

Here's what Omer Bhatti said regarding Michael's allegations:

“I don’t wish to say too much about it, but I will say Michael in many ways was very innocent. But you can’t expect everybody to have the same view on everything. […] To him certain things were natural and completely innocent, things that not necessarily all people would view the same way.”

– Omer Bhatti towards Elle (a norwegian magazine)

Remember, Omer was the boy who lived with Michael from 1996 up to 2009. He was Michael's longest "special friend" and, when asked, said this.

[Edited 9/2/19 10:20am]

"I don't want to say much about it, but what I want to say is that Michael was in many ways very innocent. Of course, one cannot expect everyone else to have the same view of things, and he was too naive and took pains to be too kind. To him, certain things were natural and completely innocent, something not everyone else would look the same way."

I've included the part you left out.

http://translate.google.c...rev=search

Cloudbuster said:

Free2BMe said:

IfItAintToy said:

Here's what Omer Bhatti said regarding Michael's allegations:

“I don’t wish to say too much about it, but I will say Michael in many ways was very innocent. But you can’t expect everybody to have the same view on everything. […] To him certain things were natural and completely innocent, things that not necessarily all people would view the same way.”

– Omer Bhatti towards Elle (a norwegian magazine)

Remember, Omer was the boy who lived with Michael from 1996 up to 2009. He was Michael's longest "special friend" and, when asked, said this.

[Edited 9/2/19 10:20am]

Poor thing! Are you STILL trying to deflect from the two Fake “victims”? Remember Wadeliar said he was butt@#$&$# HUNDREDS of times at Neverland. He never told his girlfriend, his mama or his sister. He never went to the ER room and he never saw a doctor. I am an ADULT and if I had been raped or butt@#$&*(#$ that many times, I would be dead or in a coma. This MFer says this happened when he was 7-14 years old. WTF? These claims are so absurd that people need to be put in a padded cell for even considering them, let alone believing them. Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to believe this MFer? Btw, a simple question-“How could a person be molested hundreds of times, when they have only been at that person’s home 14 times. According to the fake accuser’s mama, Michael was only at Neverland FOUR of those times. The fake accuser’s mama even complained in an interview that she was upset that she and her CHILDREN would be at Neverland and Michael would not be there. This grifter mama was upset because Michael was not there to help with Wadeliar’s career. Can you or any other hater tell me how this fake victim could be molested/butt@#$&*$ HUNDREDS of times, when Michael was never there, except FOUR times, according to fake victim’s own MAMA. I await your RATIONAL answer, not some bullshit trying to deflect from the situation at hand. “ I don’t believe these MFers”-Dave Chappelle at Comedy Special “Wade is a piece of shit and a liar”- Jason Lee at 2019 MTV Awards Red Carpet

Robson never said he was "raped" much less "anally raped". Wade claimed that, in his last sexual encounter with Michael, Michael wanted anal sex and initiated penetration. Wade couldn't stand the pain and bled slightly ordering Michael to stop, which he did. That was the one and only time anal sex was involved.

Besides, you are confusing rape with sexual molestation. The two may and may not overlap. When people think of CSA (child sexual abuse) they imagine a man forcing himself into a screaming child against the wall and that is not true of most cases. Most CSA does not involve violence; rather the child is seduced and groomed into sexual acts. Acquaintance molesters like MJ never, ever resort to violence or coercion. They carefully insert themselves into the child's life, assuming the role of the loving, caring friend manipulating the child into sexual activity. In their (twisted) minds, they are not harming the child. Notice how MJ said he "would never harm a child". They believe the activity is consented, that the child wants and likes it. And the child itself, too emotionally immature to realize what is happening may, indeed, extract pleasure from it which is why Wade said he "looked forward to the sex with Michael". That is the reason some children only realize they have been abused late in life. It is only when they grow up that they realize a child can never "enjoy" sex, that physical consent never translates into psychological consent in a child, wrestling with guilt over denouncing their abuse precisely because they loved him.

It is very difficult to explain acquaintance molesters' modus operandis. You have to enter their sick mind and think like them to make sense of all of this. I repeat. They genuinely believe they are doing nothing wrong, that the child likes and consents fully to it as it. In their minds it is society who doesn't understand them, that the consenting age should be lower for the child can consent before 16, or whatever age it is in the US. The child, in turn, does not have the emotional capability to make sense of what is happening and, just like Wade, may love the abuser and have positive (in his not-fully-formed head) feelings towards the whole situation. Then they grow up and start seeing all of it for what it is: abuse.

Cloudbuster said:

IfItAintToy said:

Here's what Omer Bhatti said regarding Michael's allegations:

“I don’t wish to say too much about it, but I will say Michael in many ways was very innocent. But you can’t expect everybody to have the same view on everything. […] To him certain things were natural and completely innocent, things that not necessarily all people would view the same way.”

– Omer Bhatti towards Elle (a norwegian magazine)

Remember, Omer was the boy who lived with Michael from 1996 up to 2009. He was Michael's longest "special friend" and, when asked, said this.

[Edited 9/2/19 10:20am]

"I don't want to say much about it, but what I want to say is that Michael was in many ways very innocent. Of course, one cannot expect everyone else to have the same view of things, and he was too naive and took pains to be too kind. To him, certain things were natural and completely innocent, something not everyone else would look the same way."

I've included the part you left out.

http://translate.google.c...rev=search

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

IfItAintToy said:

Cloudbuster said:

"I don't want to say much about it, but what I want to say is that Michael was in many ways very innocent. Of course, one cannot expect everyone else to have the same view of things, and he was too naive and took pains to be too kind. To him, certain things were natural and completely innocent, something not everyone else would look the same way."

I've included the part you left out.

http://translate.google.c...rev=search

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

You types always go back to this but in truth MJ remained friends with many of those people. Including Safechuck who said MJ abandoned him as soon as he hit puberty. Yet at the age of 16 he was in Budapest with MJ and Lisa Marie in 1994 during the filming of the HIStory trailer and he also appeared in the video for Earth Song the following year.

As for your insinuation that Bhatti was molested... well, it's unlikely that he would have described MJ as being "too kind".

I appreciate that this is all fun and games for you and that you're nothing more than a wind-up, but considering that every point you've tried to make has been found wanting you're now just looking desperate.

IfItAintToy said:

Cloudbuster said:

"I don't want to say much about it, but what I want to say is that Michael was in many ways very innocent. Of course, one cannot expect everyone else to have the same view of things, and he was too naive and took pains to be too kind. To him, certain things were natural and completely innocent, something not everyone else would look the same way."

I've included the part you left out.

http://translate.google.c...rev=search

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

He's also stayed close to Michael's kids, especially Paris. Maybe he just has multi-generational stockholm syndrome.

From 47:30 through to 56:35

https://www.youtube.com/w...vwQ-mUPpZM

Cloudbuster said:

IfItAintToy said:

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

You types always go back to this but in truth MJ remained friends with many of those people. Including Safechuck who said MJ abandoned him as soon as he hit puberty. Yet at the age of 16 he was in Budapest with MJ and Lisa Marie in 1994 during the filming of the HIStory trailer and he also appeared in the video for Earth Song the following year.

As for your insinuation that Bhatti was molested... well, it's unlikely that he would have described MJ as being "too kind".

I appreciate that this is all fun and games for you and that you're nothing more than a wind-up, but considering that every point you've tried to make has been found wanting you're now just looking desperate.

He may have mantained contact but it was sparse and never really close again. He just moved on to the next special friend and, boy, did he have many. Just off the top of my head: Terry George, Webster, Jonathan Spence, Sean Lennon, Safechuck, Wade Robson, Macauly Culkin, Brett Barnes (who slept 400+ nights with MJ in just two years as per his testimony in the 2005 trial), Jordan Chandler, the Cascio brothers, Antony Schleiter (the inspiration behind "Speechless"), Gavin Arvizo and Omer Bhatti, who lived with MJ from 96 to 09.

Why is it unlikely Bhatti would have described MJ as "too kind"? Wade Robson himself says MJ was a great person, kind etc etc. In fact, LN starts with Wade Robson speaking of Michael in reverential terms ("He was this, this and that... and he abused me for 7 years") and that state of mind and opinion of MJ is precisely the reason it took so long for him to realize he was abused: because it was truly a loving relationship. That is what I was saying. These children loved MJ. Acquaintace molesters form a loving, caring relationship with the children. If anything that corroborates my perspective.

Child-lover molesters almost never use violence for sex, said Ken Lanning, a former FBI special agent for 30 years. Instead, they groom and seduce and manipulate and use cooperation to get what they want out of the child. “I can’t tell you how many cases where there are letters from the victim written to the accused, saying, ‘You’re the nicest person I ever met,’ or ‘You’ve been so good to me,'” said Lanning. Many victims don’t tell anyone of the inappropriate behavior because they are considered “compliant child victims.” “A child can’t legally consent to having sex, but some of them aren’t necessarily fighting him off. They’re developmentally immature, and later they feel ashamed and embarrassed that they cooperated in their victimization.”

As for me being a "wind-up", why would that be? Because I believe MJ was a pedophile? Because my opinion isn't convenient to you? In what way am I the wind-up and not you? Why would your moral compass be superior to mine? You are the one defending a man who went out of his way to spend thousands of nights one-on-one with boys.

IfItAintToy said:

Cloudbuster said:

You types always go back to this but in truth MJ remained friends with many of those people. Including Safechuck who said MJ abandoned him as soon as he hit puberty. Yet at the age of 16 he was in Budapest with MJ and Lisa Marie in 1994 during the filming of the HIStory trailer and he also appeared in the video for Earth Song the following year.

As for your insinuation that Bhatti was molested... well, it's unlikely that he would have described MJ as being "too kind".

I appreciate that this is all fun and games for you and that you're nothing more than a wind-up, but considering that every point you've tried to make has been found wanting you're now just looking desperate.

He may have mantained contact but it was sparse and never really close again. He just moved on to the next special friend and, boy, did he have many. Just off the top of my head: Terry George, Webster, Jonathan Spence, Sean Lennon, Safechuck, Wade Robson, Macauly Culkin, Brett Barnes (who slept 400+ nights with MJ in just two years as per his testimony in the 2005 trial), Jordan Chandler, the Cascio brothers, Antony Schleiter (the inspiration behind "Speechless"), Gavin Arvizo and Omer Bhatti, who lived with MJ from 96 to 09.

Why is it unlikely Bhatti would have described MJ as "too kind"? Wade Robson himself says MJ was a great person, kind etc etc. In fact, LN starts with Wade Robson speaking of Michael in reverential terms ("He was this, this and that... and he abused me for 7 years") and that state of mind and opinion of MJ is precisely the reason it took so long for him to realize he was abused: because it was truly a loving relationship. That is what I was saying. These children loved MJ. Acquaintace molesters form a loving, caring relationship with the children. If anything that corroborates my perspective.

Child-lover molesters almost never use violence for sex, said Ken Lanning, a former FBI special agent for 30 years. Instead, they groom and seduce and manipulate and use cooperation to get what they want out of the child. “I can’t tell you how many cases where there are letters from the victim written to the accused, saying, ‘You’re the nicest person I ever met,’ or ‘You’ve been so good to me,'” said Lanning. Many victims don’t tell anyone of the inappropriate behavior because they are considered “compliant child victims.” “A child can’t legally consent to having sex, but some of them aren’t necessarily fighting him off. They’re developmentally immature, and later they feel ashamed and embarrassed that they cooperated in their victimization.”

As for me being a "wind-up", why would that be? Because I believe MJ was a pedophile? Because my opinion isn't convenient to you? In what way am I the wind-up and not you? Why would your moral compass be superior to mine? You are the one defending a man who went out of his way to spend thousands of nights one-on-one with boys.

Yes, MJ had many children as friends as well as many adults as friends. Just because he befriended youngsters doesn't mean he had any criminal intent. The fact that he was unusual is not really up for dispute, even the majority of his most ardent fans acknowledge that he was eccentric and damaged by his upbringing. What is also not up for dispute is the proof of extortion, the multiple lies of his accusers, the distortions, ommisions and fabrications in the mainstream media, the court documents, the FBI files and the strange desire by sociopaths, racists and possible paedophiles who are determined to have MJ acknowledged as a child molester at whatever cost no matter the exculpatory evidence in his favour.

You're free to think of him as the worst kind of monster, that is your absolute right. My position will remain unchanged until something concrete appears that isn't marred by accusers with severe credibility issues. You may as well stop wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise.

Free2BMe said:

I see this IIAT conveniently forgot all of the girls who were at Neverland. I guess that doesn’t help the NAMBLA narrative that he is promoting. The question is why this person is promoting NAMBLA child porn doctrines in his posts. He seems consumed with man/boy sex.🤔 Does IIAT and others of his ilk hate girls/women? Is this why he denies and overlooks the fact that Brandi, Chantal, Lillian, Nicole, Kelly and other females were at Neverland even more than the fake “victims”. Again, why are these supporters of fake “victims” so consumed with NAMBLA doctrines? Again, these NAMBLA supporters want to keep the focus on boys and not girls because it fits their sick narrative. Brandi,Michael’s niece, being Wadelisrs girlfriend of over 10 years, doesn’t fit in with the scam of the NAMBLA advocates. Having the sisters of the fake accusers at Neverland is ignored by the NAMBLA advocates because that destroys the vile agenda of the supporters of sex between men and boys as “satisfying”. 🤮Its Very telling that EVERY single one of IIAT’s posts only focus on boys and never mentions girls. I don’t know if He fantasizes about men and boys having sex. If so, that is sick. Stop ignoring the girls that were around Michael. It makes you look desperate. Btw, there are statements and/or photos from all these girls/females. You people can’t pretend they don’t exist, just because you have pedophilic FANTASIES of men and boys. Your sick agenda does not change the FACTS.😎 “ I don’t believe these MFers”- Dave Chapelle “ Wade is a piece of shit and a liar.”- Jason Lee [Edited 9/2/19 16:19pm]

The girls being at Neverland weren't in danger, Michael was only interested in the boys.

PennyPurple said:

^ Yeah, we never did find out who the Jane Doe was. Wonder why she opted out.

PennyPurple said:

IfItAintToy said:

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

Right. And from which rag did you get that funny "information"?

Free2BMe said:

Has anyone on here had their mind changed by either documentary?

PatrickS77 said:

IfItAintToy said:

And in what way does that change the meaning of the quote? Michael pretty much adopted Omer in 1996 and lived with him until his death. Out of all special friends, Omer was the one Michael spent more time with. Contrarily to all others Michael didn't ditch him for a new, younger special friend after some time.

Right. And from which rag did you get that funny "information"?

The mainstrem media never reported much on Omer and didn't know much about him to the point they believed him to be Jackson's son. Take half an hour of your time and read this article. Read it. Give it a chance. Try reading it from beginning to the end even if to just dismiss it at the end, but read it. Regardless of your reaction put yourself in front of the mirror afterwards and try telling yourself Michael didn't have a strange predilection for boys and watch your reaction.

https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/04/23/michael-jackson-and-omer-bhatti-1996-2009/

Free2BMe said:

I see this IIAT conveniently forgot all of the girls who were at Neverland. I guess that doesn’t help the NAMBLA narrative that he is promoting. The question is why this person is promoting NAMBLA child porn doctrines in his posts. He seems consumed with man/boy sex.🤔 Does IIAT and others of his ilk hate girls/women? Is this why he denies and overlooks the fact that Brandi, Chantal, Lillian, Nicole, Kelly and other females were at Neverland even more than the fake “victims”. Again, why are these supporters of fake “victims” so consumed with NAMBLA doctrines? Again, these NAMBLA supporters want to keep the focus on boys and not girls because it fits their sick narrative. Brandi,Michael’s niece, being Wadelisrs girlfriend of over 10 years, doesn’t fit in with the scam of the NAMBLA advocates. Having the sisters of the fake accusers at Neverland is ignored by the NAMBLA advocates because that destroys the vile agenda of the supporters of sex between men and boys as “satisfying”. 🤮Its Very telling that EVERY single one of IIAT’s posts only focus on boys and never mentions girls. I don’t know if He fantasizes about men and boys having sex. If so, that is sick. Stop ignoring the girls that were around Michael. It makes you look desperate. Btw, there are statements and/or photos from all these girls/females. You people can’t pretend they don’t exist, just because you have pedophilic FANTASIES of men and boys. Your sick agenda does not change the FACTS.😎 “ I don’t believe these MFers”- Dave Chapelle “ Wade is a piece of shit and a liar.”- Jason Lee [Edited 9/2/19 16:19pm]

I'm sorry?

jaawwnn said:

Has anyone on here had their mind changed by either documentary?

Of course not. We're arguing into a vacuum.

jaawwnn said:

Has anyone on here had their mind changed by either documentary?

Me. And, from what I see on Twitter, A LOT of MJ fanatics turned on him after watching LN. My only question is, how could I not see what was staring at me in the face?

alphastreet said:

Doalwa said:

alphastreet said:

Doalwa said:

It didn’t do shit to his reputation here in Germany. He’s still being played daily on one of our mainstream pop radio stations...really, nobody cares about those allegations here.

That’s good to know I guess

I would challenge MJ fans to read MJ Facts. Just give it a try. Read a few articles there just to see what the other side says. I was in your position months ago and completely changed my mind. I know plenty of former MJ fanatics on twitter who now hate his guts. Just give the other side a look and decide for yourself. Why not? Even if just to dismiss it.

jaawwnn said:

Has anyone on here had their mind changed by either documentary?

Nope. I think he is innocent because nothing was proved. Still enjoy his music....

BUT. MJ is/was a very strange dude.

jaawwnn said: