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Reply #60 posted 08/24/19 9:56pm

Free2BMe

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


alphastreet said:
If some of us fans are upset he put himself in the same situation more than once, can you see where the frustration is coming from? It’s ok to defend him as I have, but doing so is frustrating when it used to hurt like hell seeing him go through that and draining. When I became a fan, the first allegations stories had died down and should have never been brought up again, and you can’t get upset with fans wanting things to have worked out differently for him. Whatever has happened to him is heartbreaking but still could have been avoided if he just focused on his music, his true calling

alpha street, Michael never stopped focusing on his music. Why would you think or say that? Even with the false accusations, he still focused on his music-HIStory and Invincible. If he had not been murdered, he would have done his tour and it was reported that he was going to do new music. Of course, fans AND Michael hoped that people would stop lying on him. Those lies were not his fault. Some people seem to forget or just don’t know that when the lying pieces of 💩 claim they were at Neverland being “abused”, Michael was not even there. He was either on tour or recording an album. In other words, HE WAS FOCUSING on his music. Do you know thst one of the things that helped the jury acquit Michael in 2005? It was when the grifter/accuser stated:”...but I never saw Michael, he was never there.” This conservative jury was smart enough to realize how the #### could this liar be abused if Michael wasn’t there? You know Michael wasn’t there? He was focusing on his MUSIC and his own CHILDREN. These grifters, as well as the other grifter families-Robson’s and Safechucks- were at Neverland a LOT when Michael was not there. Evidence proved that to be true. Michael also became suspicious of the Arvisso family before they filed the false accusations and distanced himself from them. The family refused to leave and came up with abuse scam. The same thing happed with the pieces of 💩 Robson and Safechuck. These grifter families were allowed to visit and enjoy Neverland. Michael allowed them to visit and enjoy even when he was not there. Robson’s mama even complained that Michael was never there when they visited Neverland. I guess the bitch forgot that there is a record of her admitting that. Robson claimed he was molested hundreds of times, yet, his mama said they only went to Neverland 14 times. She was angry that Michael was only there 4 of those times and even then, they didn’t see much of Michael. I am mentioning these things, because you seem to think that Michael was sitting around focusing on these grifter families. Clearly, he was not. He was focusing on his MUSIC and his OWN family/children. Please stop being manipulated by lies from a media who has an agenda and liars and scam artists who only want MONEY. To reiterate what I have stated, Michael never lost his focus on his calling-music. It’s unfair to say that Michael should have just focused on his music. He DID focus on his music; however, it didn’t stop him from being a humanitarian. He can’t be blamed because these people turned out to be liars, scam artists and grifters. Michael’s focus on his MUSIC never stopped. Let’s remember that.😕 [Edited 8/24/19 17:06pm] [Edited 8/24/19 17:10pm]

So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.

[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎
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Reply #61 posted 08/25/19 6:37am

Free2BMe

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


alphastreet said:
If some of us fans are upset he put himself in the same situation more than once, can you see where the frustration is coming from? It’s ok to defend him as I have, but doing so is frustrating when it used to hurt like hell seeing him go through that and draining. When I became a fan, the first allegations stories had died down and should have never been brought up again, and you can’t get upset with fans wanting things to have worked out differently for him. Whatever has happened to him is heartbreaking but still could have been avoided if he just focused on his music, his true calling

alpha street, Michael never stopped focusing on his music. Why would you think or say that? Even with the false accusations, he still focused on his music-HIStory and Invincible. If he had not been murdered, he would have done his tour and it was reported that he was going to do new music. Of course, fans AND Michael hoped that people would stop lying on him. Those lies were not his fault. Some people seem to forget or just don’t know that when the lying pieces of 💩 claim they were at Neverland being “abused”, Michael was not even there. He was either on tour or recording an album. In other words, HE WAS FOCUSING on his music. Do you know thst one of the things that helped the jury acquit Michael in 2005? It was when the grifter/accuser stated:”...but I never saw Michael, he was never there.” This conservative jury was smart enough to realize how the #### could this liar be abused if Michael wasn’t there? You know Michael wasn’t there? He was focusing on his MUSIC and his own CHILDREN. These grifters, as well as the other grifter families-Robson’s and Safechucks- were at Neverland a LOT when Michael was not there. Evidence proved that to be true. Michael also became suspicious of the Arvisso family before they filed the false accusations and distanced himself from them. The family refused to leave and came up with abuse scam. The same thing happed with the pieces of 💩 Robson and Safechuck. These grifter families were allowed to visit and enjoy Neverland. Michael allowed them to visit and enjoy even when he was not there. Robson’s mama even complained that Michael was never there when they visited Neverland. I guess the bitch forgot that there is a record of her admitting that. Robson claimed he was molested hundreds of times, yet, his mama said they only went to Neverland 14 times. She was angry that Michael was only there 4 of those times and even then, they didn’t see much of Michael. I am mentioning these things, because you seem to think that Michael was sitting around focusing on these grifter families. Clearly, he was not. He was focusing on his MUSIC and his OWN family/children. Please stop being manipulated by lies from a media who has an agenda and liars and scam artists who only want MONEY. To reiterate what I have stated, Michael never lost his focus on his calling-music. It’s unfair to say that Michael should have just focused on his music. He DID focus on his music; however, it didn’t stop him from being a humanitarian. He can’t be blamed because these people turned out to be liars, scam artists and grifters. Michael’s focus on his MUSIC never stopped. Let’s remember that.😕 [Edited 8/24/19 17:06pm] [Edited 8/24/19 17:10pm]

So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.

[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums’(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), cultural and popular IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I have no doubt about that. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok.My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎
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Reply #62 posted 08/25/19 7:47am

macaylasdad

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.

[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]

You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎 [Edited 8/25/19 5:14am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:47am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:49am]

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.

So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.

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Reply #63 posted 08/25/19 8:23am

alphastreet

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


macaylasdad said:


So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.


[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎 [Edited 8/25/19 5:14am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:47am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:49am]

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.



So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.



Yes he truly did have responsibility and accountability for it, and there is no excuse for it. He was not perfect, and yet people freak out if he’s not treated like a perfect human being
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Reply #64 posted 08/25/19 11:55am

purple05

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


macaylasdad said:


So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.


[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎 [Edited 8/25/19 5:14am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:47am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:49am]

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.



So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.


This argument is old and played. Please move on to something else. MJ and Prince have their own separate lanes and we’re good at different things.
Please come into 2019. They’re both dead, no one cares and the kids today like Cardi B and Da Baby
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Reply #65 posted 08/25/19 12:03pm

Free2BMe

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


macaylasdad said:


So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.


[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎 [Edited 8/25/19 5:14am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:47am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:49am]

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.



So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.




Special One, YOU are the one who brought Prince into this thread, not me. Of course, that’s what you people always do. You bring Prince into a MJ thread and whine and whimper like an infant if your narrative is challenged. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. Go back and read your OWN previous post where YOU injected Prince into this conversation. End of story.

As far as the other part of your rant,
Surely, you didn’t use the ignorant infantile argument that Michael hosted the scam artists, knowing that they would falsely accuse him and try to extort him.Do you actually think Michael would have agreed to the MAKE A WISH request to host a cancer patient, Arvissio, and his family if he had known that they were scam artists? Are you really THAT ignorant or dumb? In case you have conveniently forgotten, the fake accusers Robson and Safechuck didn’t make the allegations when they were children. They had nothing but good things to say, because nothing bad ever happened to them. Therefore how would Michael know that they would wait until he was no longer here and they were GROWN ASS MEN-broke and desperate- to turn into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Please tell me you are not THAT damn stupid. Do you actually think Michael would have knowingly hosted these liars/extortionist into his home? If you say yes, then you are even more pathetic and stupid than I thought.

Has it occurred to you that not everyone that Michael hosted turned into low life scum?€ These are some of the other people Michael hosted at his Neverland home:

*Gregory Peck and his wife Veronica
*Ronald and Nancy Reagan
*Minister Louis Farrakhan and family
**Hundreds and hundreds of inner city kids and their families
*10-12 Soldiers who had just returned from war and their families
*Elizabeth Taylor and her husband
*Carrie Fisher
*Liza Minnelli
*Brenda Richie and Nicole
*Emanuel Lewis and family
*Alfonso Riberia and family
*Macauley Culkin and family
*Sean Lennon and Yoko Ono
*Brett Barnes and family
and many other famous and NON-FAMOUS people.

Guess what Dude, not s single one of these people ever turned into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Can your brain figure out why? Because nothing happened to them , just as nothing happened to the fake accusers. According to your infantile rational, anyone Michael hosted had to be a KNOWN liar, scam artist and extortionist. How weak-minded for you to even think that! You really should not only feel stupid, you should be embarrassed.😳 No one, not even someone like you, knows if the person or persons they host in their homes will turn out to,falsely accuse them, try to extort them for money or even harm them. I certainly don’t know if the people I host will wait 20 years and falsely accuse me or try to extort money. Again, your response was the most infantile and ignorant that I have ever seen. Please tell me you don’t have children and say such backward things to them. Seriously, go back and read what you posted about hosting people. It really is THAT pathetic. Btw, how old are you? Surely no ADULT would post what you did. SAD!!😕
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Reply #66 posted 08/25/19 12:57pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


macaylasdad said:


So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.


[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]



You have that correct, Michael bares NO RESPONSIBILITY for liars, scam artists and extortionists making false accusations against him. That’s exactly what I’m saying. I hope that is crystal clear. Btw, Michael always took 4-5 years between albums. Therefore, that is neither unusual or anything new about Michael’s album output. I will say that I believe MJ’s albums(from the time he was lead singer with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons until his record breaking and history making solo albums), IMPACT will last as long or longer than any 12 albums done by your favorite artist. I’m sure you will disagree, and that is ok. My opinion is just as valid as yours. I can handle disagreements.😎 [Edited 8/25/19 5:14am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:47am] [Edited 8/25/19 6:49am]

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.



So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.



Yes he truly did have responsibility and accountability for it, and there is no excuse for it. He was not perfect, and yet people freak out if he’s not treated like a perfect human being


Let’s just admit that you WANT Michael to be responsible for liars waiting TWENTY years to come up with false allegations. You act as if Michael knew in ADVANCE that he would be falsely accused and extorted. That is sick for you to think that.🤨
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Reply #68 posted 08/25/19 1:29pm

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No, Michael is NOT accountable or responsible for people waiting TWENTY YEARS to
come up a fake allegation in order to extort money- 1.5 BILLION. It seems you WANT Michael to be responsible for something, snything, so you can have an EXCUSE for “being on the fence” as a fan. Would YOU want to be held responsible for a person falsely accusing you of something just because you hosted them at your home? Are you a mind reader who KNOWS in advance that a person is going to turn on you? If so, then you are smarter than ANYONE IN THE WORLD, and need to be world famous. 🤨

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Reply #69 posted 08/25/19 1:31pm

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purple05 said:

macaylasdad said:

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.

So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.

This argument is old and played. Please move on to something else. MJ and Prince have their own separate lanes and we’re good at different things. Please come into 2019. They’re both dead, no one cares and the kids today like Cardi B and Da Baby

feel free to move on if you like....

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Reply #70 posted 08/25/19 2:08pm

macaylasdad

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.

So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.

Special One, YOU are the one who brought Prince into this thread, not me. Of course, that’s what you people always do. You bring Prince into a MJ thread and whine and whimper like an infant if your narrative is challenged. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. Go back and read your OWN previous post where YOU injected Prince into this conversation. End of story. As far as the other part of your rant, Surely, you didn’t use the ignorant infantile argument that Michael hosted the scam artists, knowing that they would falsely accuse him and try to extort him.Do you actually think Michael would have agreed to the MAKE A WISH request to host a cancer patient, Arvissio, and his family if he had known that they were scam artists? Are you really THAT ignorant or dumb? In case you have conveniently forgotten, the fake accusers Robson and Safechuck didn’t make the allegations when they were children. They had nothing but good things to say, because nothing bad ever happened to them. Therefore how would Michael know that they would wait until he was no longer here and they were GROWN ASS MEN-broke and desperate- to turn into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Please tell me you are not THAT damn stupid. Do you actually think Michael would have knowingly hosted these liars/extortionist into his home? If you say yes, then you are even more pathetic and stupid than I thought. Has it occurred to you that not everyone that Michael hosted turned into low life scum?€ These are some of the other people Michael hosted at his Neverland home: *Gregory Peck and his wife Veronica *Ronald and Nancy Reagan *Minister Louis Farrakhan and family **Hundreds and hundreds of inner city kids and their families *10-12 Soldiers who had just returned from war and their families *Elizabeth Taylor and her husband *Carrie Fisher *Liza Minnelli *Brenda Richie and Nicole *Emanuel Lewis and family *Alfonso Riberia and family *Macauley Culkin and family *Sean Lennon and Yoko Ono *Brett Barnes and family and many other famous and NON-FAMOUS people. Guess what Dude, not s single one of these people ever turned into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Can your brain figure out why? Because nothing happened to them , just as nothing happened to the fake accusers. According to your infantile rational, anyone Michael hosted had to be a KNOWN liar, scam artist and extortionist. How weak-minded for you to even think that! You really should not only feel stupid, you should be embarrassed.😳 No one, not even someone like you, knows if the person or persons they host in their homes will turn out to,falsely accuse them, try to extort them for money or even harm them. I certainly don’t know if the people I host will wait 20 years and falsely accuse me or try to extort money. Again, your response was the most infantile and ignorant that I have ever seen. Please tell me you don’t have children and say such backward things to them. Seriously, go back and read what you posted about hosting people. It really is THAT pathetic. Btw, how old are you? Surely no ADULT would post what you did. SAD!!😕

Dude....what website are we on again? Incase you forgot... PRINCE.ORG.... PRINCE.... a PRINCE website...PRINCE. So I guess that's where I dropped PRINCE in. In case you forgot. In typical MJ Fan fashion, we people point out the obvious about Prince being the total package musician compared to MJ.

Maybe, I didn't understand you point of "liar, scam artists" etc.. My apologies. Other than the Hollywood and music elite of the names you listed, people came into his home (most of whom he did not know), took advantage of his kindness, made false accusations about him. What I am saying, had he not been so "open"...do you think any of these false charges been made? Yes or No?

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Reply #71 posted 08/25/19 2:20pm

macaylasdad

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No, Michael is NOT accountable or responsible for people waiting TWENTY YEARS to come up a fake allegation in order to extort money- 1.5 BILLION. It seems you WANT Michael to be responsible for something, snything, so you can have an EXCUSE for “being on the fence” as a fan. Would YOU want to be held responsible for a person falsely accusing you of something just because you hosted them at your home? Are you a mind reader who KNOWS in advance that a person is going to turn on you? If so, then you are smarter than ANYONE IN THE WORLD, and need to be world famous. 🤨 O

I don't disagree, 20 years is a long time. Again, I haven't see the documentary. I am curious of your thoughts of his 1993 case, the one where he made 23 million dollars settelment. But as I read the case... No evidence, no witnesses, the accuser and family refused to cooperate. So why settle?

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Reply #72 posted 08/25/19 2:33pm

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No, Michael is NOT accountable or responsible for people waiting TWENTY YEARS to come up a fake allegation in order to extort money- 1.5 BILLION. It seems you WANT Michael to be responsible for something, snything, so you can have an EXCUSE for “being on the fence” as a fan. Would YOU want to be held responsible for a person falsely accusing you of something just because you hosted them at your home? Are you a mind reader who KNOWS in advance that a person is going to turn on you? If so, then you are smarter than ANYONE IN THE WORLD, and need to be world famous. 🤨 O

I don't disagree, 20 years is a long time. Again, I haven't see the documentary. I am curious of your thoughts of his 1993 case, the one where he made 23 million dollars settelment. But as I read the case... No evidence, no witnesses, the accuser and family refused to cooperate. So why settle?



The family refused to coorperate after they got the $$$ they always wanted.
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Reply #73 posted 08/25/19 2:38pm

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macaylasdad said:



Free2BMe said:


macaylasdad said:


BUT....you said he hosted these people you called liars, scam artists and extortionists that made false accusations against him?? So if invited them into his home, that would mean he's responsible for them being there... sorry dude...he owns some of this.



So the comparison of Prince and MJ debate... ok, I will play along as these are fun. First, MJ is the greatest pop entertainer that ever lived, no denying that and has sold more records. But as a musician, he couldn't carry Prince's guitar case. MJ did not play ANY instruments live... Prince? Bass, Drums, Piano, Keyboards, Guitar, and acoustic guitar. MJ lip-synced live...Prince did not. MJ played it safe musically regurating the same formula of music his whole career (but good for him, it worked) Prince's range Pop, funk, soul, r&b, rock, jazz...sorry MJ was not that verastile.



Special One, YOU are the one who brought Prince into this thread, not me. Of course, that’s what you people always do. You bring Prince into a MJ thread and whine and whimper like an infant if your narrative is challenged. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. Go back and read your OWN previous post where YOU injected Prince into this conversation. End of story. As far as the other part of your rant, Surely, you didn’t use the ignorant infantile argument that Michael hosted the scam artists, knowing that they would falsely accuse him and try to extort him.Do you actually think Michael would have agreed to the MAKE A WISH request to host a cancer patient, Arvissio, and his family if he had known that they were scam artists? Are you really THAT ignorant or dumb? In case you have conveniently forgotten, the fake accusers Robson and Safechuck didn’t make the allegations when they were children. They had nothing but good things to say, because nothing bad ever happened to them. Therefore how would Michael know that they would wait until he was no longer here and they were GROWN ASS MEN-broke and desperate- to turn into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Please tell me you are not THAT damn stupid. Do you actually think Michael would have knowingly hosted these liars/extortionist into his home? If you say yes, then you are even more pathetic and stupid than I thought. Has it occurred to you that not everyone that Michael hosted turned into low life scum?€ These are some of the other people Michael hosted at his Neverland home: *Gregory Peck and his wife Veronica *Ronald and Nancy Reagan *Minister Louis Farrakhan and family **Hundreds and hundreds of inner city kids and their families *10-12 Soldiers who had just returned from war and their families *Elizabeth Taylor and her husband *Carrie Fisher *Liza Minnelli *Brenda Richie and Nicole *Emanuel Lewis and family *Alfonso Riberia and family *Macauley Culkin and family *Sean Lennon and Yoko Ono *Brett Barnes and family and many other famous and NON-FAMOUS people. Guess what Dude, not s single one of these people ever turned into liars, scam artists and extortionists. Can your brain figure out why? Because nothing happened to them , just as nothing happened to the fake accusers. According to your infantile rational, anyone Michael hosted had to be a KNOWN liar, scam artist and extortionist. How weak-minded for you to even think that! You really should not only feel stupid, you should be embarrassed.😳 No one, not even someone like you, knows if the person or persons they host in their homes will turn out to,falsely accuse them, try to extort them for money or even harm them. I certainly don’t know if the people I host will wait 20 years and falsely accuse me or try to extort money. Again, your response was the most infantile and ignorant that I have ever seen. Please tell me you don’t have children and say such backward things to them. Seriously, go back and read what you posted about hosting people. It really is THAT pathetic. Btw, how old are you? Surely no ADULT would post what you did. SAD!!😕

Dude....what website are we on again? Incase you forgot... PRINCE.ORG.... PRINCE.... a PRINCE website...PRINCE. So I guess that's where I dropped PRINCE in. In case you forgot. In typical MJ Fan fashion, we people point out the obvious about Prince being the total package musician compared to MJ.



Maybe, I didn't understand you point of "liar, scam artists" etc.. My apologies. Other than the Hollywood and music elite of the names you listed, people came into his home (most of whom he did not know), took advantage of his kindness, made false accusations about him. What I am saying, had he not been so "open"...do you think any of these false charges been made? Yes or No?


In case you forgot, we're in the NON- Prince section of a Prince website in a NON-Prince topic.

There was literally no need to bring up Prince in this topic and you knew that. Stop trying to pit these 2 names against each other in a topic that only has to do with one of them. It only shows your insecurity and intolerance.
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Reply #74 posted 08/25/19 2:40pm

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PatrickS77 said:

macaylasdad said:

I don't disagree, 20 years is a long time. Again, I haven't see the documentary. I am curious of your thoughts of his 1993 case, the one where he made 23 million dollars settelment. But as I read the case... No evidence, no witnesses, the accuser and family refused to cooperate. So why settle?

The family refused to coorperate after they got the $$$ they always wanted.

I see how this subject touches a sensitive spot for some, but why pay BEFORE? MJ fans must realize that doesn't make him look innocent? But I what have read, there was no case.

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Reply #75 posted 08/25/19 2:44pm

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macaylasdad said:

Dude....what website are we on again? Incase you forgot... PRINCE.ORG.... PRINCE.... a PRINCE website...PRINCE. So I guess that's where I dropped PRINCE in. In case you forgot. In typical MJ Fan fashion, we people point out the obvious about Prince being the total package musician compared to MJ.

Maybe, I didn't understand you point of "liar, scam artists" etc.. My apologies. Other than the Hollywood and music elite of the names you listed, people came into his home (most of whom he did not know), took advantage of his kindness, made false accusations about him. What I am saying, had he not been so "open"...do you think any of these false charges been made? Yes or No?

In case you forgot, we're in the NON- Prince section of a Prince website in a NON-Prince topic. There was literally no need to bring up Prince in this topic and you knew that. Stop trying to pit these 2 names against each other in a topic that only has to do with one of them. It only shows your insecurity and intolerance.

Well I did bring Prince into it...He's my favorite artist so at the end of the day, it's still a Prince website. As I have always said MJ the better entertainer/businessman... Prince the better all around musician. Not sure how that makes me insecure or less tolerant. But hey...your opinion.

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Reply #76 posted 08/25/19 3:09pm

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Now we'll have some peace for a bit biggrin

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Reply #77 posted 08/25/19 3:11pm

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luv4u said:

Now we'll have some peace for a bit biggrin



Good, because no one needs to attacked for having a different point of view
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Reply #78 posted 08/25/19 3:14pm

macaylasdad

luv4u said:

Now we'll have some peace for a bit biggrin

I respect everyone's POV... I understand everyone's passion to defend MJ and admire it, I am the same way when it comes to Prince..to a degree. smile

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Reply #79 posted 08/26/19 2:09am

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macaylasdad said:

PatrickS77 said:

macaylasdad said: The family refused to coorperate after they got the $$$ they always wanted.

I see how this subject touches a sensitive spot for some, but why pay BEFORE? MJ fans must realize that doesn't make him look innocent? But I what have read, there was no case.

Pay before what?? Are you daft?? They went public with their allegation. 2 criminal investigations, with their coorperation, were going on. On top of that they had filed a civil suit. What "BEFORE" are you talking about? Read up on the issue, when you don't have a clue what went down, but don't ask stupid question. Michael suffered 5 months of bad press and the cancellation of his Dangerous tour, until his team convinced him to agree to a settlement (which needs to be stated, didn't come out of his pocket, as a insurance company was made to pay). If he would have paid before, none of us would have ever heard about this allegation.

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Reply #80 posted 08/26/19 9:38am

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Cloudbuster said:

MJ's defense team tried four times to shift the criminal trial ahead of the civil trial in 1994. What kind of guilty person would agree to that?


Yeah, I think people always forget about what actually was going on when he settled. The defense would have been forced to fight the civil trial first (because, ofc, money was the goal all along) and then the criminal trial, leaking the defense strategy in the process.


Conveniently. Over and over.

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Reply #81 posted 08/26/19 4:21pm

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PatrickS77 said:

macaylasdad said:

I see how this subject touches a sensitive spot for some, but why pay BEFORE? MJ fans must realize that doesn't make him look innocent? But I what have read, there was no case.

Pay before what?? Are you daft?? They went public with their allegation. 2 criminal investigations, with their coorperation, were going on. On top of that they had filed a civil suit. What "BEFORE" are you talking about? Read up on the issue, when you don't have a clue what went down, but don't ask stupid question. Michael suffered 5 months of bad press and the cancellation of his Dangerous tour, until his team convinced him to agree to a settlement (which needs to be stated, didn't come out of his pocket, as a insurance company was made to pay). If he would have paid before, none of us would have ever heard about this allegation.

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Daft? I guess so... So many lawsuits and allegations, hard to keep up here. MJ was INNOCENT of all charges. Then why did the insurance settle with that family? (also, ANYONE who pays into an insurance company (auto, life, home) is paying somebody, yes...you, me and even MJ.)

If nothing stuck or could be proven, I would of told that family to f**k off! As I am reading this, it seems his own "people" sold him out and made him do this? Wow! This is some crazy shit... I "officially" feel bad for MJ, the money he lost, endorsement deals...they said it was because of this , it led to his opiod addiction later on...

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Reply #82 posted 08/26/19 5:09pm

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macaylasdad said:

PatrickS77 said:

Pay before what?? Are you daft?? They went public with their allegation. 2 criminal investigations, with their coorperation, were going on. On top of that they had filed a civil suit. What "BEFORE" are you talking about? Read up on the issue, when you don't have a clue what went down, but don't ask stupid question. Michael suffered 5 months of bad press and the cancellation of his Dangerous tour, until his team convinced him to agree to a settlement (which needs to be stated, didn't come out of his pocket, as a insurance company was made to pay). If he would have paid before, none of us would have ever heard about this allegation.

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Daft? I guess so... So many lawsuits and allegations, hard to keep up here. MJ was INNOCENT of all charges. Then why did the insurance settle with that family? (also, ANYONE who pays into an insurance company (auto, life, home) is paying somebody, yes...you, me and even MJ.)

If nothing stuck or could be proven,f I would of told that family to f**k of! As I am reading this, it seems his own "people" sold him out and made him do this? Wow! This is some crazy shit... I "officially" feel bad for MJ, the money he lost, endorsement deals...they said it was because of this , it led to his opiod addiction later on...

That's what he did initially and see what happened. He went through the worst, career and lifethreatning shitstorm imagineable, with an uncertain outcome. And nothing could be proven in '03 either and see what happened. If you have the means to make shit go away, instead of blocking and threatening your life for 1 and a half years, you might do it too. The term used was "neglicence" happening on Neverland ranch. So whatever liability insurance he had on Neverland most likely kicked in. And most definitely he didn't pay that much into that insurance than what the insurance paid out. That's the principle of any insurance. And if he hadn't utilized that insurance, he would have paid for that insurance either way.

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Reply #83 posted 08/26/19 5:44pm

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PatrickS77 said:

macaylasdad said:

Daft? I guess so... So many lawsuits and allegations, hard to keep up here. MJ was INNOCENT of all charges. Then why did the insurance settle with that family? (also, ANYONE who pays into an insurance company (auto, life, home) is paying somebody, yes...you, me and even MJ.)

If nothing stuck or could be proven,f I would of told that family to f**k of! As I am reading this, it seems his own "people" sold him out and made him do this? Wow! This is some crazy shit... I "officially" feel bad for MJ, the money he lost, endorsement deals...they said it was because of this , it led to his opiod addiction later on...

That's what he did initially and see what happened. He went through the worst, career and lifethreatning shitstorm imagineable, with an uncertain outcome. And nothing could be proven in '03 either and see what happened. If you have the means to make shit go away, instead of blocking and threatening your life for 1 and a half years, you might do it too. The term used was "neglicence" happening on Neverland ranch. So whatever liability insurance he had on Neverland most likely kicked in. And most definitely he didn't pay that much into that insurance than what the insurance paid out. That's the principle of any insurance. And if he hadn't utilized that insurance, he would have paid for that insurance either way.

all makes sense...thanks Patrick.

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Reply #84 posted 08/26/19 6:02pm

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Honestly, what does it matter now? Michael Jackson is DEAD! I'm pretty sure that he doesn't give a damn about any of this now!

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Reply #85 posted 08/27/19 7:29pm

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looby said:

Honestly, what does it matter now? Michael Jackson is DEAD! I'm pretty sure that he doesn't give a damn about any of this now!



Can’t hurt any more kids either.
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Reply #86 posted 08/27/19 7:40pm

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darlingnikkkki said:

looby said:

Honestly, what does it matter now? Michael Jackson is DEAD! I'm pretty sure that he doesn't give a damn about any of this now!

Can’t hurt any more kids either.


lol

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Reply #87 posted 08/27/19 8:11pm

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looby said:

Honestly, what does it matter now? Michael Jackson is DEAD! I'm pretty sure that he doesn't give a damn about any of this now!



I agree with this.When a person dies,people need to be respectful and let them Rest In Peace.These guys are going after a dead man and that’s really shameful.
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Reply #88 posted 08/27/19 8:14pm

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Going after a dead man who is not here to defend himself is a chickenshit move.
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Reply #89 posted 08/27/19 8:21pm

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SoulAlive said:

Wade Robson is nothing but a lying piece of crap.He previously testified that Michael never molested him but now he’s singing a different tune.You can’t keep changing your story and expect people to believe you.He has proven that he has no credibility.Anyway,I hope he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.It is almost over.


You must have never lied in your life then tell the truth later on.


Funny that he turned on Michael after the estate refused to hire him for a choreographer gig.Before that happened,everything was cool hmmm
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