You must have never lied in your life then tell the truth later on.

The "Lies of Leaving Neverland Documentary" that is linked in the original post provides a comparison of documented lies between what was stated in the Leaving Neverland Documentary vs his Deposition just 2 years prior. All the change in stories definitely kills his credibility and can't just be flipplantly explained as lying and then changing your mind later on.

I believe in MJs innocence but he was guilty as fuck for putting himself in those situations... I mean really, would you let your own child sleep in a room let alone a bed with a grown man you don't know?

[Edited 8/22/19 19:35pm]

macaylasdad said:

macaylasdad said:

alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said:

MotownSubdivision said:

macaylasdad said:

I believe is MJs innocence but he was guilty as fuck for putting himself in those situations... I mean really, would you let your own child sleep in a room let alone a bed with a grown man you don't know?

While I see your point, wouldn't that make the parents equally as guilty if not moreso? MJ was just too trusting and naive. The parents who willingly left their children alone with a man they didn't know were negligent.

yep...just as guilty...MJ was an adult...let's not act like he wasn't... Traditional adult/child relationships don't go that way.... Parents were stupid...

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

I believe is MJs innocence but he was guilty as fuck for putting himself in those situations... I mean really, would you let your own child sleep in a room let alone a bed with a grown man you don't know?

The problem with your statement is that Michael was not ALONE in a room with any kid. Robson’s mama or sister were in same room. We are not speaking of a bedroom like yours or mine. Michael’s “bedroom” was not a bedroom, it was a two level suite the size of an APARTMENT. Every fake accusers mama was in that apartment WITH their KIDS. The fake Arvizzo griter’s brother was ALWAYS in the gsmeroom/suite with him. Mac Culkins ENTIRE family was in the suite with him. I am so sick of ignorant people using the bullshit EXCUSE that Michael was guilty of “sleeping alone” with kids. Damn, they were in his GAMEROOM/SUITE and FAMILIES were free to go in and out. Who the @#$& would be stupid and dumb enough to,abuse a kid with the parents next door or in room. Therefore how was he guilty of putting himself in a situation? He was guilty of nothing except being too nice. Michael’s nieces, nephews and family friends were in Michael’s two level gameroom/suite/apartment MUCH more than the two pieces of shit who made these bogus allegations.

Again, I beleive in his innocence. But really? Hey kids and parents, thanks for stopping by...now it's time to go... That's how it should of went down, I don't ever feel MJ would harm a child but you would think after 1993 child sexual abuse accusations, he would be a bit more cautious? Do you agree? That's how he was guilty of putting himself in those situations.

I never seen this documentarty, nor do I want to. What MJ did or did not do in his personal life does not change the fact when I listen to his music it makes me happy and puts me in a good mood. The same way I feel about Prince, he was addicted to pain medication and OD because of it, doesn't change how I feel about his music either.

macaylasdad said:

macaylasdad said:

darlingnikkkki said:

MotownSubdivision said:

macaylasdad said:

yep...just as guilty...MJ was an adult...let's not act like he wasn't... Traditional adult/child relationships don't go that way.... Parents were stupid...

Never said MJ wasn't an adult but he was still too trusting and naive. "Traditional" adult/child relationships don't go that way but that doesn't make MJ guilty of anything more than as I already said, being too trusting and naive.

trustng....naive.... MJ has own some of the blame...again. the behavior is odd to me... Considering he had to pay $25 million in the 1993 settlement. He needed better people around him to advise and protect him.

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

Again, I beleive in his innocence. But really? Hey kids and parents, thanks for stopping by...now it's time to go... That's how it should of went down, I don't ever feel MJ would harm a child but you would think after 1993 child sexual abuse accusations, he would be a bit more cautious? Do you agree? That's how he was guilty of putting himself in those situations.

I never seen this documentarty, nor do I want to. What MJ did or did not do in his personal life does not change the fact when I listen to his music it makes me happy and puts me in a good mood. The same way I feel about Prince, he was addicted to pain medication and OD because of it, doesn't change how I feel about his music either.

I understand what you are saying. However, it is nothing wrong with PEOPLE coming into quarters/apartment/gameroom. Michael’s suite had TWO bedrooms, two levels, two bathrooms. It was pretty much the hub of the house. EVERYONE congregated to that suite/apartment. Elizabeth Taylor, Carrie Fisher, Brenda Richie, every sibling, every kid, etc. The media made it seem as if Michael was snuggled up in the bed in some little bedroom. THAT is the manipulation they and people like Diane Demon used. NO kid ever came into Michael’s suite without PARENTAL permission. No kid was ever FORCED into the gameroom/suite. According to Lisa Marie, Michael knew he had done nothing wrong; therefore, he continued to allow CHILDREN and FAMILIES to play games, watch movies, etc. in his suite. According to people who were there, Michael would not even sleep on the bed, he would get on the floor and sleep on a blanket or sleeping bag when people were there. The fake accuser, Gavin Arvizzo even admitted that on the Basir interview. MILLIONS saw that interview and the media and public CONVENIENTLY ignored that fact, because they WANTED Michael to look guilty. Finally, at the time of the fake Arvisso accusations, Michael’s son, Prince and assistant Frank Cascio were in the same room as the accuser. The media completly IGNORED this fact, when reporting to the public. They wanted a gullible public to believe Michael was alone with this kid. Again, the MSM manipulated the FACTS and reported FAKE NEWS. Bottomline is Michael was never really alone with these kids. There was ALWAYS somone else in the suite, next door or in an adjacent area. See these are the things that most of you and public don’t know. It is also one of the reasons that a conservative jury found Michael INNOCENT of 14 trumped up charges.

If you understand what I am saying, then I am going to leave it right there....

darlingnikkkki said:

Can’t believe all these defenders actually believing an adult sleeping with these kids all those years were “innocent” playdays. I bet you would let your own kids spend time with MJ just like those gullible parents did feeling special their kids were chosen not knowing the abuse these helpless kids went through groomed by an adult MJ. Keep believing in your own version of things and continue to defend an “innocent” “childlike” MJ.

I am curious....do other celebrities engage in this type of conduct with kids?? Again, MJ was found innocent of these charges.

darlingnikkkki said:

macaylasdad said:

MJ's defense team tried four times to shift the criminal trial ahead of the civil trial in 1994. What kind of guilty person would agree to that?

Free2BMe said:

macaylasdad said:

I am curious....do other celebrities engage in this type of conduct with kids?? Again, MJ was found innocent of these charges.

What “conduct” are you speaking of? If you mean inviting HUNDREDS of CHILDREN and their families to the most beautiful place in the world; in order to enjoy free an amusement park, a zoo, food,movies, FREE, then I know of no other celebrity with that kind of heart. If you mean inviting soldiers who returned from war with their CHILDREN/Families to Neverland for a day or days of relaxation and fun, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with this “conduct”. If you mean a man who had a movie theater built with hospital beds so sick children could enjoy a movie in comfort, then I don’t know of any other celebrity with that kind of heart and kindness. If you mean a man who visited hospitals and orphanages during every stop on his world tours, in order to give children hope, then I don’t know of any other celebrity who would take the time to do that and engage in such selfless “conduct”. If you mean a man who designated in his will that 30% of his fortune would be delegated to children’s charities, then I don’t know of any celebrity with that type of heartwarming, loving, awesome, unselfish CONDUCT like that. Damn, I would rather have that “conduct” a million times more than the arrogant, rude, selfish, behavior of a lot of these celebrities. Michael’s philanthropy and humanitarianism is legendary. I assume this is the “conduct” you are speaking of because this is what Michael represented beside being a great singer, songwriter,composer, dancer, producer, artist, entertainer extraordinaire.😎 [Edited 8/24/19 1:53am]

I guess you haven't been paying attention.... But I will play along.... I am not questioning what he has done to help people, it's quite admirable to bring joy into people lives who need it. So that takes care of your lines 2 through 15. Let's not use word "conduct" on the topic of discussion to build your case or justify it.

He was falsely accused for years of molesting children, MJ had to pay out 25 million on an accusation from his 1993 lawsuit. Did he not? It never went to trial, whether he was innocent or guilty (i feel he was innocent) he had to part with millions of dollars. How did that make him look to the public? Guilty or innocent? One would think his manager or his inner circle would of said, "dude, Mike...you just got screwed over here, let's not let that happen again. You need to stay clear of those those situations". That's all I am saying. Again, I am not denying or can't even all he is done. I would say the same things you mentioned when people go after MJ.

macaylasdad said:

Cloudbuster said:

MJ's defense team tried four times to shift the criminal trial ahead of the civil trial in 1994. What kind of guilty person would agree to that?

Yeah, I think people always forget about what actually was going on when he settled. The defense would have been forced to fight the civil trial first (because, ofc, money was the goal all along) and then the criminal trial, leaking the defense strategy in the process.

I think they were going to have a discussion on this tonight but I think its just a tribute party:

https://www.squadup.com/events/soulslam-nyc

alphastreet said:

Mikado said:

Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said:

If some of us fans are upset he put himself in the same situation more than once, can you see where the frustration is coming from? It’s ok to defend him as I have, but doing so is frustrating when it used to hurt like hell seeing him go through that and draining. When I became a fan, the first allegations stories had died down and should have never been brought up again, and you can’t get upset with fans wanting things to have worked out differently for him. Whatever has happened to him is heartbreaking but still could have been avoided if he just focused on his music, his true calling

alpha street, Michael never stopped focusing on his music. Why would you think or say that? Even with the false accusations, he still focused on his music-HIStory and Invincible. If he had not been murdered, he would have done his tour and it was reported that he was going to do new music. Of course, fans AND Michael hoped that people would stop lying on him. Those lies were not his fault. Some people seem to forget or just don’t know that when the lying pieces of 💩 claim they were at Neverland being “abused”, Michael was not even there. He was either on tour or recording an album. In other words, HE WAS FOCUSING on his music. Do you know thst one of the things that helped the jury acquit Michael in 2005? It was when the grifter/accuser stated:”...but I never saw Michael, he was never there.” This conservative jury was smart enough to realize how the #### could this liar be abused if Michael wasn’t there? You know Michael wasn’t there? He was focusing on his MUSIC and his own CHILDREN. These grifters, as well as the other grifter families-Robson’s and Safechucks- were at Neverland a LOT when Michael was not there. Evidence proved that to be true. Michael also became suspicious of the Arvisso family before they filed the false accusations and distanced himself from them. The family refused to leave and came up with abuse scam. The same thing happed with the pieces of 💩 Robson and Safechuck. These grifter families were allowed to visit and enjoy Neverland. Michael allowed them to visit and enjoy even when he was not there. Robson’s mama even complained that Michael was never there when they visited Neverland. I guess the bitch forgot that there is a record of her admitting that. Robson claimed he was molested hundreds of times, yet, his mama said they only went to Neverland 14 times. She was angry that Michael was only there 4 of those times and even then, they didn’t see much of Michael. I am mentioning these things, because you seem to think that Michael was sitting around focusing on these grifter families. Clearly, he was not. He was focusing on his MUSIC and his OWN family/children. Please stop being manipulated by lies from a media who has an agenda and liars and scam artists who only want MONEY. To reiterate what I have stated, Michael never lost his focus on his calling-music. It’s unfair to say that Michael should have just focused on his music. He DID focus on his music; however, it didn’t stop him from being a humanitarian. He can’t be blamed because these people turned out to be liars, scam artists and grifters. Michael’s focus on his MUSIC never stopped. Let’s remember that.😕 [Edited 8/24/19 17:06pm] [Edited 8/24/19 17:10pm]

So bottom line for you is MJ bares no responsibility for ANY of these accustaions? Is that what you are saying? Also focus on music??? 3 studio albums in 10 years?? He must of been in deep thought Prince cranked out 12 albums in the same time period, that might friend is called focusing on music.

[Edited 8/24/19 18:22pm]

Free2BMe said:

alphastreet said: