I think its pretty safe to say, Janet doesn't care about her music career or where it goes. Sad to see such a great career, end like this. My only gripe is, if she doesn't care, why did she even bother to tour in the first place? What was the point in doing the album, doing all that prep for touring and schedule venues to just cancel and dont even bother to re-schedule? I thought that she was doing this for her fans but her silence and lack of communication to fans is disregarding them. So what was her purpose, anybody have any thoughts?

mjscarousal said:

I think its pretty safe to say, Janet doesn't care about her music career or where it goes. Sad to see such a great career, end like this. My only gripe is, if she doesn't care, why did she even bother to tour in the first place? What was the point in doing the album, doing all that prep for touring and schedule venues to just cancel and dont even bother to re-schedule? I thought that she was doing this for her fans but her silence and lack of communication to fans is disregarding them. So what was her purpose, anybody have any thoughts?

Janet, imo is the type of person to start out strong but than lose stream. After her RN she's postponed/cancelled on all of her tours. She has a horrible work ethic, due to her privileged upbringing.

Ellie said:

If she'd bared her breast(s) over here we'd have all been like "Oh look, boobs... haha" and that would have been that.

Yeah. That was exactly my reaction 'Oh, wow" Janet's boob. Cool!' and went to bed. Didn't think for a second that her career was coming to an end (or at least a major turning point). When I heard of the hoopla the next day, I had to watch it again, because I thought I missed something.

zebz said:

Janet was a complete idiot for agreeing to that stunt. As a veteran entertainer it's common sense that if you're not able to rehearse a stunt you don't do it. She probably thought she could get away with it because she was such a media darling before hand but boy was she wrong. smh

I don't believe that BS about the bra either. Bra cups don't just rip off like that. It was waaay to easy for him to remove it. Nuh-uh

alphastreet said:

zebz said:

Janet, imo is the type of person to start out strong but than lose stream. After her RN she's postponed/cancelled on all of her tours. She has a horrible work ethic, due to her privileged upbringing.

She was dehydrated during Janet, and didn't cancel that much, and velvet rope though there was something about an eye infection and flu one time, right?

My point is, there's always something with her when it comes to touring. Excuse after excuse. It's extremely hard to sympathize. I've seen other people sick and still pull it together enough to get on stage. Kelly Rowland literally colapsed on stage and had to be taken to the ER during Say My Name. She still tried to finish the show regardless of whether she felt well or not. Because her band members were dependant on her.

It's not just about Janet. Other people's livelyhood are at stake. Dancers, bus drivers, constructors, band members. The working class people that actually do the heavy lifiting (transporting the stage, setting it up, etc) can't afford her postponing because she has a headache and refuses to take an asprine!

If you comit to a tour, you follow through. Period.

zebz said:

mjscarousal said:

I think its pretty safe to say, Janet doesn't care about her music career or where it goes. Sad to see such a great career, end like this. My only gripe is, if she doesn't care, why did she even bother to tour in the first place? What was the point in doing the album, doing all that prep for touring and schedule venues to just cancel and dont even bother to re-schedule? I thought that she was doing this for her fans but her silence and lack of communication to fans is disregarding them. So what was her purpose, anybody have any thoughts?

Janet, imo is the type of person to start out strong but than lose stream. After her RN she's postponed/cancelled on all of her tours. She has a horrible work ethic, due to her privileged upbringing.

I agree with everything but I have to respectfully disagree with this though. I think she worked REALLY hard to make a name for herself outside of Michael's shadow which was not something easy to do and takes a lot of work ethic. From what I see, Janet gives up to easily and is easily discouraged. The SB was her ONLY big major downfall she had to really overcome and 10 years later she still hasn't risen above it and I personally think some of it is her fault. She is not really a "fighter" (which she said herself). She is not fighting to maintain her legacy or her career ......why i don't know!!!!and yes you are correct, that has a lot to do with her priviledge upbringing. If she had to break through the industry doors the traditional way without having the help of her last name, I think she would have a lot more resilence.

Scorp said:

All For You tour of 2002, her show lasted for over 3 hours straight

No. It did not. Again, some made up bs to tell your story.

mjscarousal said:

zebz said:

Janet, imo is the type of person to start out strong but than lose stream. After her RN she's postponed/cancelled on all of her tours. She has a horrible work ethic, due to her privileged upbringing.

I agree with everything but I have to respectfully disagree with this though. I think she worked REALLY hard to make a name for herself outside of Michael's shadow which was not something easy to do and takes a lot of work ethic. From what I see, Janet gives up to easily and is easily discouraged. The SB was her ONLY big major downfall she had to really overcome and 10 years later she still hasn't risen above it and I personally think some of it is her fault. She is not really a "fighter" (which she said herself). She is not fighting to maintain her legacy or her career ......why i don't know!!!!and yes you are correct, that has a lot to do with her priviledge upbringing. If she had to break through the industry doors the traditional way without having the help of her last name, I think she would have a lot more resilence.

I agree with what you said about getting out of his shadow, which takes a lot of work but that's more of a behind the scenes, marketing compenet than strenuous physical labor. Which is what I was thinking about when I made that comment. She wasn't performing everywhere, going mall to mall, playing in night clubs, trying to get people to buy her album. Which would have helped her adjust and apprecate the big leagues. So I agree with what you said, but I also stand by what I said. :p

When it comes to physically exterting herself week after week for months, she, like I stated before starts off strong but then loses stream. There's definitely a pattern here.

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I hate to say this Wendy Williams had a better idea... She should have done a residency in Las Vegas and called it a day.

zebz said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree with everything but I have to respectfully disagree with this though. I think she worked REALLY hard to make a name for herself outside of Michael's shadow which was not something easy to do and takes a lot of work ethic. From what I see, Janet gives up to easily and is easily discouraged. The SB was her ONLY big major downfall she had to really overcome and 10 years later she still hasn't risen above it and I personally think some of it is her fault. She is not really a "fighter" (which she said herself). She is not fighting to maintain her legacy or her career ......why i don't know!!!!and yes you are correct, that has a lot to do with her priviledge upbringing. If she had to break through the industry doors the traditional way without having the help of her last name, I think she would have a lot more resilence.

I agree with what you said about getting out of his shadow, which takes a lot of work but that's more of a behind the scenes, marketing compenet than strenuous physical labor. Which is what I was thinking about when I made that comment. She wasn't performing everywhere, going mall to mall, playing in night clubs, trying to get people to buy her album. Which would have helped her adjust and apprecate the big leagues. So I agree with what you said, but I also stand by what I said. :p

When it comes to physically exterting herself week after week for months, she, like I stated before starts off strong but then loses stream. There's definitely a pattern here.

[Edited 3/13/16 17:57pm]

That doesn't really pertain to the current situation, which was a business oriented move. The same as the cancellation of the RWY tour in Japan and AFY in Europe. RWY in the US probably was a mixture of both (I still refuse to believe that she says, she's sick, when she's not). And well, the odd postponement here and there, I give her that. Shit happens. She only cancelled 1 out of 82 shows on the Number Ones tour.

getxxxx said:

I hate to say this Wendy Williams had a better idea... She should have done a residency in Las Vegas and called it a day.

That's bs too. As long as an artist is willing and capable to travel around the world he/she should do so. Not everyone can go to Las Vegas to see their favourite artist.

PatrickS77 said:

That doesn't really pertain to the current situation, which was a business oriented move. The same as the cancellation of the RWY tour in Japan and AFY in Europe. RWY in the US probably was a mixture of both (I still refuse to believe that she says, she's sick, when she's not). And well, the odd postponement here and there, I give her that. Shit happens. She only cancelled 1 out of 82 shows on the Number Ones tour.

Are you saying you refuse to believe she's lying about an illness?

zebz said:

PatrickS77 said:

That doesn't really pertain to the current situation, which was a business oriented move. The same as the cancellation of the RWY tour in Japan and AFY in Europe. RWY in the US probably was a mixture of both (I still refuse to believe that she says, she's sick, when she's not). And well, the odd postponement here and there, I give her that. Shit happens. She only cancelled 1 out of 82 shows on the Number Ones tour.

Are you saying you refuse to believe she's lying about an illness?

Yes. I do believe that she wasn't doing too well and seeing that those RWY shows had a disappointing turnout influenced her in the decision to cancel instead of postponing.

PatrickS77 said:

Scorp said:

All For You tour of 2002, her show lasted for over 3 hours straight

No. It did not. Again, some made up bs to tell your story.

dude, I ain't gotta sit here and lie about that

I went to that concert myself with a friend during that summer in my hometown

the opening act was 112.....

she stepped on that stage at 8pm CST sharp and she didn't step down from that stage until after 11pm CST.......she performed all her hits from all her albums up to that point, including songs from her first 2 albums

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Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

No. It did not. Again, some made up bs to tell your story.

dude, I ain't gotta sit here and lie about that

I went to that concert myself with a friend during that summer in my hometown

the opening act was 112.....

she stepped on that stage at 8pm CST sharp and she didn't step down from that stage until after 11pm CST.......he performed all her hits from all her albums up to that point, including songs from her first 2 albums

Well. You lie, distort, make up your own things all the time. But maybe you should have gotten a different watch. Saw that tour too and the show wasn't as long as you claim. It was about 2 hours. My shows started with the opening act at 7:30 and Janet starting around 9.

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. I do believe that she wasn't doing too well and seeing that those RWY shows had a disappointing turnout influenced her in the decision to cancel instead of postponing.

Okay. Now see, this is something i'm on the fence on. I want to believe her, but it's all a little to convinent for me. I especially don't want to think of her as capable of lying about something as serious as throat cancer. Why hasn't she learned from her mistakes and gotten a check-up before hand? I do think she's lied about things to the public before (nipplegate, the weight gain in 2006 for a "movie role" in particular). Gil actually exposed her last year when she said an "ear issue" was the reason she cancelled her iheart radio gig. Believing there's truth to every instance is incredibly naive.

PatrickS77 said:

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

Well. You lie, distort, make up your own things all the time. But maybe you should have gotten a different watch. Saw that tour too and the show wasn't as long as you claim. It was about 2 hours. My shows started with the opening act at 7:30 and Janet starting around 9.

Thats in your country U aint gone sit there and try abd call me out Janet had tins of material to choose from, all for you, the velvet rope, Janet, Rhythm Nation, Control, and her first two albums Janet Jackson and Dream Street In my hometown, she went back to the beginning and performed Young Love

That tour never was in my country. I saw it in Canada and USA.

Also she didn't perform any songs from her first 2 albums. She only did that on the RWY tour. That one was 2 hours 20 minutes and no 112.

Guess I did call you out.

PatrickS77 said:

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

That tour never was in my country. I saw it in Canada and USA.

Also she didn't perform any songs from her first 2 albums. She only did that on the RWY tour. That one was 2 hours 20 minutes and no 112.

Guess I did call you out.

This guy gone try and sit there in front of a computer screen and tell someone thet didnt see something when they sat right there and saw it And then so now are u saying that 112 wasbt even the opening act

Wow. Making up stories and having trouble comprehending what you're reading.

112 was the opening act for the All for you tour, but there were no songs from the first two albums and the show was about 2 hours long.

112 was NOT the opening act for the Rock witchu tour, but there WERE songs from the first two albums and the show, which was her longest show, was about 2 hours 20 mins long.

zebz said:

My point is, there's always something with her when it comes to touring. Excuse after excuse. It's extremely hard to sympathize. I've seen other people sick and still pull it together enough to get on stage. Kelly Rowland literally colapsed on stage and had to be taken to the ER during Say My Name. She still tried to finish the show regardless of whether she felt well or not. Because her band members were dependant on her.

It's not just about Janet. Other people's livelyhood are at stake. Dancers, bus drivers, constructors, band members. The working class people that actually do the heavy lifiting (transporting the stage, setting it up, etc) can't afford her postponing because she has a headache and refuses to take an asprine!

If you comit to a tour, you follow through. Period.

I agree.If you commit to a tour,you gotta follow through! It's not fair to the fans if you constantly cancel or postpone dates.It's also wrong to not give your fans an honest explanation if any issues come up.

PatrickS77 said:

zebz said:

alphastreet said:

zebz said: She was dehydrated during Janet, and didn't cancel that much, and velvet rope though there was something about an eye infection and flu one time, right?

My point is, there's always something with her when it comes to touring. Excuse after excuse. It's extremely hard to sympathize. I've seen other people sick and still pull it together enough to get on stage. Kelly Rowland literally colapsed on stage and had to be taken to the ER during Say My Name. She still tried to finish the show regardless of whether she felt well or not. Because her band members were dependant on her.

It's not just about Janet. Other people's livelyhood are at stake. Dancers, bus drivers, constructors, band members. The working class people that actually do the heavy lifiting (transporting the stage, setting it up, etc) can't afford her postponing because she has a headache and refuses to take an asprine!

If you comit to a tour, you follow through. Period.

If you don't like Janet or what she's doing. What is the point of keep posting the negativity daily against her? Just go on some other artist page you adore & LEAVE HER ALONE!

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said:

Wow. Making up stories and having trouble comprehending what you're reading.

112 was the opening act for the All for you tour, but there were no songs from the first two albums and the show was about 2 hours long.

112 was NOT the opening act for the Rock witchu tour, but there WERE songs from the first two albums and the show, which was her longest show, was about 2 hours 20 mins long.

The whether someone can comprehend part, Ill be fair, I was distracted by something I was watching and thought the initials said RN instead of RWY Im not gonna let someone tell me something and that I saw live didnt happen. If someone from another land say they saw something, how am I gone tell that person they didnt see it Janet Jackson performed that song 3/4s during the show and halfway through paid homage to her brother Michael And when she performed it, her Older fans had their own jam session in the section of the arena where I was located Unbelievable

Who cares where I'm from? I saw 3 shows in your country. Janet's shows are the same, every night. The only change one might get, is that she doesn't play the full show. So in 2001 she did a hommage to her brother, before he died? Right. I'll stop that now. You clearly need to go to bed or haven't had enough sleep last night.

zebz said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree with everything but I have to respectfully disagree with this though. I think she worked REALLY hard to make a name for herself outside of Michael's shadow which was not something easy to do and takes a lot of work ethic. From what I see, Janet gives up to easily and is easily discouraged. The SB was her ONLY big major downfall she had to really overcome and 10 years later she still hasn't risen above it and I personally think some of it is her fault. She is not really a "fighter" (which she said herself). She is not fighting to maintain her legacy or her career ......why i don't know!!!!and yes you are correct, that has a lot to do with her priviledge upbringing. If she had to break through the industry doors the traditional way without having the help of her last name, I think she would have a lot more resilence.

I agree with what you said about getting out of his shadow, which takes a lot of work but that's more of a behind the scenes, marketing compenet than strenuous physical labor. Which is what I was thinking about when I made that comment. She wasn't performing everywhere, going mall to mall, playing in night clubs, trying to get people to buy her album. Which would have helped her adjust and apprecate the big leagues. So I agree with what you said, but I also stand by what I said. :p

When it comes to physically exterting herself week after week for months, she, like I stated before starts off strong but then loses stream. There's definitely a pattern here.

[Edited 3/13/16 17:57pm]

Thanks for giving me other things to also consider. For some strange reasons she seemed to be more consistent during the 90's. I don't recall there be that many cancellations during the Janet and VR tours (I could be wrong though) but your right. There have repeatly been excessive cancellations since 2001. I think she did better during her up close and personal tour because she mostly played small venues and theaters and there weren't any costume changes. She did over 80 shows. She probably should stick to smaller venues and stripped down shows OR do a residency but I believe her ego would never allow her to do a residency.

PatrickS77 said:

Scorp said:

PatrickS77 said: The whether someone can comprehend part, Ill be fair, I was distracted by something I was watching and thought the initials said RN instead of RWY Im not gonna let someone tell me something and that I saw live didnt happen. If someone from another land say they saw something, how am I gone tell that person they didnt see it Janet Jackson performed that song 3/4s during the show and halfway through paid homage to her brother Michael And when she performed it, her Older fans had their own jam session in the section of the arena where I was located Unbelievable

Who cares where I'm from? I saw 3 shows in your country. Janet's shows are the same, every night. The only change one might get, is that she doesn't play the full show. So in 2001 she did a hommage to her brother, before he died? Right. I'll stop that now. You clearly need to go to bed or haven't had enough sleep last night.

WOULD ANOTHER JANET JACKSON FAN WHO ATTENDED THE ALL FOR YOU TOUR TELL THIS GUY THAT JANET JACKSON PAID HOMAGE TO HER BROTHER MICHAEL HALFWAY DURING THE SHOW

COULD SOMEBODY TELL THIS GUY THIS.....HOW JANET DID A INTERLUDE HALFWAY, PLAYING MJ MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND, AND HOW SHE CAME ON STAGE W/A FEDORA AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT HER BROTHER MICHAEL, PAYING HOMAGE TO HIM

COULD ONE JANET JACKSON FAN TELL THIS GUY THIS

man, I ain't gotta go to bed for nobody.........I can't wait til another fan of Janet who went to that show give you some back up facts

mjscarousal said:

Thanks for giving me other things to also consider. For some strange reasons she seemed to be more consistent during the 90's. I don't recall there be that many cancellations during the Janet and VR tours (I could be wrong though) but your right. There have repeatly been excessive cancellations since 2001. I think she did better during her up close and personal tour because she mostly played small venues and theaters and there weren't any costume changes. She did over 80 shows. She probably should stick to smaller venues and stripped down shows OR do a residency but I believe her ego would never allow her to do a residency.

She was younger in the 90s to be fair. She was also the media darling, so that probably helped her confidence.

Why not? Michael was about to do one. That was in the 02 arena, but still.

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