Surprised this hasnt been posted here yet

Love the darker tone The Price of Fame gives the commercial.

NaughtyKitty said:

Surprised this hasnt been posted here yet

Love the darker tone The Price of Fame gives the commercial.

Great commercials. Much more mature and realistic than the Pepsi ads for the Victory Tour. MJ was maturing before our eyes.

This works so much better musically, and is better without that stupid little boy

NaughtyKitty said:

Surprised this hasnt been posted here yet

Love the darker tone The Price of Fame gives the commercial.

I loved this!

I really love his harmonies in this too and how it fits so well with the commercial. They should have just kept it like this

Awesome footage of MJ doing motion capture for skeleton dance sequence for Ghosts Video.

Thanks for sharing

alphastreet said:

Thanks for sharing

My Pleasure.

Scorp said:

Look Scorp, I'm going to make this real simple. Thats my opinion on his musical journey, I have always felt he developed more as he grew older like we all do. However, I tried my best to be nothing but respectful and you've been defensive the whole dang time for no apparent reason. Now I'm not calling you a fake fan simply because you have a different opinion than mine, that's childish and I'm a grown ass woman and you're obviously a grown man. But DO NOT ever try to undermine my intelligence with your condescending comments about how I or anyone else don't know this or that. Now I awknowlege your facts that I've seen countless of times and my opinion is solid backed with evidence that I will no problem present to you.


BTW don't use a book like The Music in the Madness ever to prove a point. Like you said it's an unofficial biography and its sources are just printed out of magazines that I remember reading back in the day on trashy tabloids. See the Lisa Marie chapters sources if skeptical.

So uneasy lay your head
on those weary shoulders

I wanted to unburden them
but you wouldn’t let go

Too dirty to clean your hands
Too weary for sober

I was your prescription then,
but the bottle ran out

Too toxic for a cleanse
Too many sins for confession

I would have been your Priestess
but I tripped on my robe

Now all the honey’s in a hornet’s nest
And all the spiders, they spin their webs

Of all the colors that you knew they had
But you wanted to ignore

Can you hear me now
While you sort it out
Don’t get hung up here
I will always love you
You can move on dear

This HAS to be about Michael. It's from Lisa Marie's most recent CD. All the lyrics match her Oprah interview.

OfftheWall said:

Touching. I still have to check out her third album, I loved the interview she did about the creative process.

OfftheWall said:

Awwww that was beautiful. ....this is why I love me some LMP great talent

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Scorp said:

for like the 1,000th time you are wrong again,

no, for the 2,000th time you are wrong again

this is what happens when a person jumps to conclusions when they dont' like what's being said

before the internet even existed, back in 1991, 1992, and 1993

when Dangerous was released in November of 1991, I was just as eager to buy it as I was the day Bad was released

and during Dangerous run, and after, I always said it should have received more critical claim than it did and that it was an excellent album throughout, and during the time the album was out, I never compared it to Off The Wall or Thriller and that's how I approached all of his albums, basing them off of its own merit

AND to this day, as of 2015, Will You Be There remains my favorite MJ song since the 90s, and always viewed that song as one of the greatest recordings he ever gave.........

still have the original CD of Dangerous to this day w/the broken CD case and all as a keepsake

AND always said his performance of Heal The World at the 1993 Super Bowl in Pasadena, California was one of the most touching moments of his career

when History was released in June of 2015, I got that album too the week of release, as I was anticipating it good to a year in advance when word came out in 1994 that the album was being worked on for initially, the album was supposed to feature all new music then MJ scrapped that idea to go w/the one CD featuring all this top charting classics and the second CD featuring new songs........

and always said Earth Song should have been released as a single here in North America, that it was poignant, called for universal action to confront the activities that were harming the planet, always said the song Little Susie showcased his vocal ability in the most unique way, always said the single Money should have been released as a single to for that was one of the best songs on the album, that I loved the inspiration of the title track History and how much I enjoyed it, in the same vein that I did the song Keep The Faith from Dangerous, that Tabloid Junkie was power packed and that the hook and the chorus were A-1.....and I know the facts never picked up on this and haven't to this day, in the album booklet, MJ featured that famous picture of him standing on his toes during the Triumph Tour sporting the original glittered socks, hoping that image would endear the audience he knew he had lost some 8 years prior would be moved to buy the album.

same thing goes for the album Invincible, as I bought that the day of release back in October of 2001, as I was anticipating that album almost TWO years in advance as Rodney Jerkins gave an interview with Vibe Magazine back in 1999 stating he was producing it, w/he and MJ spending 18 hours a day in the studio trying to record it, always said the single Break of Dawn was one of the top 10 greatest recordings of his entire career as that song was perfect from beginnign to end, Break of Dawn would have been a #1 record if it had been released as a single, and that Heaven Can Wait was a beautiful song as well, and that could have been released as a single, and Whatever happens complimented the current phase of his career in a very appropriate way, and despite of what he was accused of 8 years prior, I really liked the song The Lost Children as well, I loved the song Cry as well, for that was the last song he recorded that called on the universal message of togetherness

the problem is what you is what you think about my thoughts w/out you actually thinking

the fact that a person would like an artist's music for "being in your face" to the media is what pushed him to the brink, because that's a battle nobody is going to win, one that never needed to be in the first place, for he sure didn't have to be "in your face" to the media during the beginning stage of his adult solo career for his musical message stood out in the most definitive way where he didnt' NEED to war w/the media, for the media, and the public, and the world embraced that message tenfold

Michael Jackson never needed to go that route w/the media, but as that battle sprung and progressed, the media got the upper hand, and once they did, it was TOAST, and that battle actually detracted from the message he intended to convey when this all started, and that's why songs like Will You Be There and Earth Song and Cry did not receive the long lasting stature than songs like Can You Feel It did, for the message had been completely undermined by the time the mid 90s hit

I always said that History should acknowledge that MJ made great and accomplished music post Thriller but the problem is the false image he would come to project starting in 1987 undermines that fact and that's why his current following have to always mention that to be the case.

as far as being rawer, nothing MJ did was more raw than the way he performed during that Triumph Tour of 1981, he was unleashing dance moves on teh fly, it was so raw, people wasn't even trying to emulate the dance moves, this was the period of his career that was referred to as "The Magic of Michael Jackson" which is the reason J. Randy Taraborelli named his unofficially official autobiographical book on MJ "The Magic and the Madness" because all you had in teh beginning WAS The Magic

and if a poll was taken by ALL of Michael Jackson's fans from 1969-2015, and asked them what as his greatest love song, slow jam, more than likely, the song that would be chosen as the top one would be LADY IN MY LIFE

as I mentioned to another individual a couple of days before

get your facts straight, and then maybe you will have a chance too

[Edited 11/1/15 3:38am]

Look Scorp, I'm going to make this real simple. Thats my opinion on his musical journey, I have always felt he developed more as he grew older like we all do. However, I tried my best to be nothing but respectful and you've been defensive the whole dang time for no apparent reason. Now I'm not calling you a fake fan simply because you have a different opinion than mine, that's childish and I'm a grown ass woman and you're obviously a grown man. But DO NOT ever try to undermine my intelligence with your condescending comments about how I or anyone else don't know this or that. Now I awknowlege your facts that I've seen countless of times and my opinion is solid backed with evidence that I will no problem present to you. BTW don't use a book like The Music in the Madness ever to prove a point. Like you said it's an unofficial biography and its sources are just printed out of magazines that I remember reading back in the day on trashy tabloids. See the Lisa Marie chapters sources if skeptical.

I'm not going to even respond to the notion that I'm being defensive because I have absolutely nothing to be defensive about......I dont' even understand what it would be for me to be defensive about......I didn't create this division

and how somebody gone try and lay down an affirmative to never do something again because I've never undermined anyone's intelligence

intelligence, that's never been the issue...the issue has been point of reference and what a person chooses to believe when the truth is staring right in front of them........

the ONLY reason I brought up the book the Magic and the Madness was to show how J. Randy borrowed a phrase that used to describe Michael's career specifically from 1979-1984 as "the magic of Michael Jackson"

I don't look at none of these books or tabloids as the gospel, nor commercial media

commercial media swears up and down that MJ started wearing the glove during Motown 25 in 1983 when teh fact of the matter is that he started wearing the glove as early as 1979

also, many of his themes and stage design he presented during his solo tours, those very same themes he incorporated originated from the Triumph Tour he performed w/his brothers in 1981

I do not need one single media source to tell me anything about Michael's career at all

I don't even know who this is I'm responding to anyway

228 books have been written about MJ since 2009, including this latest book from last month and zero of them will delve into the absolute truth as to what happened to this man over time

I keep saying the entertainment value took a much secondary role w/me when there was no longer a legit reason to keep seeking it because the human value had been all but eviscerated

and whatever book about MJ comes out next year will continue the narratives, the same tired themes and fluff

[Edited 11/6/15 20:37pm]

Scorp said:

Good god man sure you're right Scorp. Is that what you want to hear? Because I only voiced my opinion and I did so WITHOUT metaphorically turning my nose up. Each and every time I disagreed with anyone on this thread I made it very clear that I respectfully disagreed. You are undermining other's intelligence with constantly making it seem like you know everything and that other person's OPINION is completely rubbish. I'm truly happy that you've gotten to experience Michael's wonderful career I really am however you can educate without being condescending. Without the "the truth is...." and "I actually know that he really...." We've been taught to tolerate the difference in opinions without the childish "I'm smarter than you" defemse its redundant and it often makes you look if I can be vulgar like an asshole. No I'm not calling you one because judging by your reactions I don't think you even know you're doing it. Hey if I'm "wrong " about something I'm woman enough to explore and educate myself with ease. I didn't know certain facts you spewed out but it doesn't mean my opinion is going to change but it doesn't mean I'm any more right than you are. I only said that 1994 to 2009 is when I as in me, felt more connected with him as a person AND an artist rather than his earlier projects which he only grew better and better. I was simply saying my opinion, you could've just simply disagreed show why you disagreed without going into a whole damn slideshow of how you were right and I was wrong with the simple (and often wrong assumption ) "I just wasn't around to witness it ". I've listened to almost every song he's officially and unofficially released I had the multicolored Invincible album and a lot of memorabilia via my grandmother from the 70s and beyond and ironically I admittedly wasn't falling over myself for him when everyone else was even though I had access to things even the biggest moonwalker would be envious of. Am I fake fan because I'm not kissing his ass or rather a different opinion? Or the fact that it took me a good minute before really getting into him? Or what? What have I said that was sooo damn wrong? Because honestly the way you word things bother me not your actual opinion. It's like I have to Apologize for not agreeing with you like damn

I have a question .I wasn't alive in the 80's but I was wondering did MJ ever release any "extended versions "of his songs ?? I known prince did but what about MJ? If so which official extended songs are available ?

breakdown2k14 said:

Bad, Billie Jean, The Way You Make Me Feel, Smooth Criminal, Another Part of Me, Get it, Say Say Say, Beat it, The Lady in My Life.

Also, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', though it's only 30 seconds longer.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Scorp said:

I'm not going to even respond to the notion that I'm being defensive because I have absolutely nothing to be defensive about......I dont' even understand what it would be for me to be defensive about......I didn't create this division

and how somebody gone try and lay down an affirmative to never do something again because I've never undermined anyone's intelligence

intelligence, that's never been the issue...the issue has been point of reference and what a person chooses to believe when the truth is staring right in front of them........

the ONLY reason I brought up the book the Magic and the Madness was to show how J. Randy borrowed a phrase that used to describe Michael's career specifically from 1979-1984 as "the magic of Michael Jackson"

I don't look at none of these books or tabloids as the gospel, nor commercial media

commercial media swears up and down that MJ started wearing the glove during Motown 25 in 1983 when teh fact of the matter is that he started wearing the glove as early as 1979

also, many of his themes and stage design he presented during his solo tours, those very same themes he incorporated originated from the Triumph Tour he performed w/his brothers in 1981

I do not need one single media source to tell me anything about Michael's career at all

I don't even know who this is I'm responding to anyway

228 books have been written about MJ since 2009, including this latest book from last month and zero of them will delve into the absolute truth as to what happened to this man over time

I keep saying the entertainment value took a much secondary role w/me when there was no longer a legit reason to keep seeking it because the human value had been all but eviscerated

and whatever book about MJ comes out next year will continue the narratives, the same tired themes and fluff

[Edited 11/6/15 20:37pm]

Good god man sure you're right Scorp. Is that what you want to hear? Because I only voiced my opinion and I did so WITHOUT metaphorically turning my nose up. Each and every time I disagreed with anyone on this thread I made it very clear that I respectfully disagreed. You are undermining other's intelligence with constantly making it seem like you know everything and that other person's OPINION is completely rubbish. I'm truly happy that you've gotten to experience Michael's wonderful career I really am however you can educate without being condescending. Without the "the truth is...." and "I actually know that he really...." We've been taught to tolerate the difference in opinions without the childish "I'm smarter than you" defemse its redundant and it often makes you look if I can be vulgar like an asshole. No I'm not calling you one because judging by your reactions I don't think you even know you're doing it. Hey if I'm "wrong " about something I'm woman enough to explore and educate myself with ease. I didn't know certain facts you spewed out but it doesn't mean my opinion is going to change but it doesn't mean I'm any more right than you are. I only said that 1994 to 2009 is when I as in me, felt more connected with him as a person AND an artist rather than his earlier projects which he only grew better and better. I was simply saying my opinion, you could've just simply disagreed show why you disagreed without going into a whole damn slideshow of how you were right and I was wrong with the simple (and often wrong assumption ) "I just wasn't around to witness it ". I've listened to almost every song he's officially and unofficially released I had the multicolored Invincible album and a lot of memorabilia via my grandmother from the 70s and beyond and ironically I admittedly wasn't falling over myself for him when everyone else was even though I had access to things even the biggest moonwalker would be envious of. Am I fake fan because I'm not kissing his ass or rather a different opinion? Or the fact that it took me a good minute before really getting into him? Or what? What have I said that was sooo damn wrong? Because honestly the way you word things bother me not your actual opinion. It's like I have to Apologize for not agreeing with you like damn

perfect illustration how his fans have become divided overtime

these conversations would not, did not take place from 1969-1984, there was not one measure of dissension or divisiveness during those years....

it's not about who's the smartest or the so called most intelligent, it's not about taking positions

there was nothing to disagree about w/this man during those years

whenever I ask how did it get to this point, I can never get an answer, because the question posed has never been considered

to look at the big picture and really sit down and really recollect and ask ourselves, why in the hell has there been so much beef over the years, why is this happening, what's the root of it all, we never get any answers because we want to avoid it at all costs when the situation presents itself

there is no other entertainer who has existed who was successful for at least a generational period who has a fanbase whose divided

not Prince, not Janet, not Elvis, not Bruce, not Madonna, not Whitney,

if one fan of Prince says Purple Rain is their favorite album and the other says any of his other albums are their favorite, that's where its' going to end, there's no static.......

but w/MJ, everything occurs in extremes to where there exists are tangent points of reference because we know deep down, something went awfully wrong, so when we say one of his albums is our favorite, there's immediate hostility that awaits, because we know the MJ who released Invinicible in 2001 was totally different than the MJ who released Off The Wall in 1979, we already know this going into it, the deviation hits instantaneously....

there is zero accord when it comes to Michael Jackson when it never had to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HPzaSnTM8

Check out this kid doing "Billie Jean" at a high school talent show. Pretty damn good!

Love that Jacksons live album of the Triumph tour, so blessed you were there. Motown 25 was great but mainly brought mainstream exposure to who jacksons were in their tours at that point and street culture dance influences when it all boils down to it

OfftheWall said:

So uneasy lay your head
on those weary shoulders

I wanted to unburden them
but you wouldn’t let go

Too dirty to clean your hands
Too weary for sober

I was your prescription then,
but the bottle ran out

Too toxic for a cleanse
Too many sins for confession

I would have been your Priestess
but I tripped on my robe

Now all the honey’s in a hornet’s nest
And all the spiders, they spin their webs

Of all the colors that you knew they had
But you wanted to ignore

Can you hear me now
While you sort it out
Don’t get hung up here
I will always love you
You can move on dear

This HAS to be about Michael. It's from Lisa Marie's most recent CD. All the lyrics match her Oprah interview.

LMP is a leech and a bitch. I can't stand her and what she did to Michael. She actually caused MJ pain and hurt. So whatever she has to say means nothing at this point. After all she said marrying MJ was the biggest mistake of her life. She is so fake

QueenofPurplePalace said:

OfftheWall said:

So uneasy lay your head
on those weary shoulders

I wanted to unburden them
but you wouldn’t let go

Too dirty to clean your hands
Too weary for sober

I was your prescription then,
but the bottle ran out

Too toxic for a cleanse
Too many sins for confession

I would have been your Priestess
but I tripped on my robe

Now all the honey’s in a hornet’s nest
And all the spiders, they spin their webs

Of all the colors that you knew they had
But you wanted to ignore

Can you hear me now
While you sort it out
Don’t get hung up here
I will always love you
You can move on dear

This HAS to be about Michael. It's from Lisa Marie's most recent CD. All the lyrics match her Oprah interview.

Awwww that was beautiful. ....this is why I love me some LMP great talent

No she is not, she can't even sing Don't fall for her lies. She wants to get back in the good graces of the mj fans but we mj fans will never forget how she slandered and trashed him for nearly a decade before he passed. Now she wants to act like she tried to "save him" despite kicking him when he was down. She is such a liar.

[Edited 11/8/15 14:58pm]

alphastreet said:

Love that Jacksons live album of the Triumph tour, so blessed you were there. Motown 25 was great but mainly brought mainstream exposure to who jacksons were in their tours at that point and street culture dance influences when it all boils down to it

exactly, as great as Motown 25 was, which it was, the major reason why people wanted to see J5 perform was to see MJ and Jermaine sing together again on stage for the first time in 7 years, Billie Jean was already the #1 r&b and pop record a month before Motown 25 occurred, and what we saw MJ do/with the exception of the moonwalk, he actually scaled down the full range of his dancing because he was dancing funkier during OTW, commercial media will never ever acknowledge this, they still think he started wearing the glove during that performance when he started wearing it 4 years beforehand.......

Thriller was released under little fanfare compared to his follow ups, which makes the success of that album that much more astounding because it built up momentum w/every single, with every video, w/every performance, before the Thriller video sent it through the roof

Thriller actually had 3 peak moments, Motown 25, the Thriller video, and the Victory Tour

that was his pinnacle in terms of the global acknowledgement but as far as "the underground", as far as those who supported him in the beginning, that audience already knew he was the greatest entertainer on the planet for during the Triumph Tour, MJ's dancing was so frenetic, and so raw, that he went into one round of spins that led into another round of spins w/out breaking stride, the famous lean he did during Smooth Criminal, he started "leaning" during the OTW and Triumph tours but commercial meda does not know this nor do they want to know, the strut he would do during Smooth Criminal where he scoots his front leg while push sliding w/his back leg while moving forward, that came from OTW too

mjscarousal said:

I've seen the videos of her alleged "slander " and I will say this can she be a bitch? Yes, but think about the timeline...although said in poor timing and taste she was recovering after being completely discarded AGAIN by Michael (whilst he was with his baby mother ol Debbie), she was hurting and she talked shit about her exes like most of us do. Je wasn't an angel in that marriage either and he's admitted to that. The lyrics were beautiful and though I'm definitely NOT a fan of hers especially her callous but understandable ways, she still my favorite wife and most of his associates agree that since she was the very few people who told him No she somewhat knocked some sense into him briefly of course

Both mj and lisa had drama and she was in pain too. All that behaviour was a cry for help. They wanted different things and equally hurt each other, it happens everyday but it happened in the public eye

Mj himself acknowledged in moonwalk he was wearing the black glove during off the wall days. One of the jacksons variety show performance also has mj wearing a very similar suit to smooth criminal with gold in it, a tribute to acts before his time and revisited beautifully in smooth criminal. Anything that became mainstream of his even in later years , we fans knew about. What was new during msg shows, he had done on victory, dangerous and history tours. New fans got excited over rehearsal footage on this is it, I already knew the tours, shows, rehearsals online for years etc. I get what you're saying about cultural appropriation generally speaking , but also learned to have some compassion about it even if confused at times by him. Still loved him and wanted him to be alright, knew he didn't really want to do this is it and also felt people pleasing was a huge factor from the second I heard the words he's gone.
[Edited 11/8/15 16:12pm]
[Edited 11/8/15 16:15pm]

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said:

No she is not, she can't even sing Don't fall for her lies. She wants to get back in the good graces of the mj fans but we mj fans will never forget how she slandered and trashed him for nearly a decade before he passed. Now she wants to act like she tried to "save him" despite kicking him when he was down. She is such a liar.

[Edited 11/8/15 14:58pm]

I've seen the videos of her alleged "slander " and I will say this can she be a bitch? Yes, but think about the timeline...although said in poor timing and taste she was recovering after being completely discarded AGAIN by Michael (whilst he was with his baby mother ol Debbie), she was hurting and she talked shit about her exes like most of us do. Je wasn't an angel in that marriage either and he's admitted to that. The lyrics were beautiful and though I'm definitely NOT a fan of hers especially her callous but understandable ways, she still my favorite wife and most of his associates agree that since she was the very few people who told him No she somewhat knocked some sense into him briefly of course

Although MJ was not perfect in the relationship, I don't like her because she mislead him and bribed him with children. She promised him children before they got married (knowing he would not marry her otherwise) and went back on her word. She also did a number of shady things herself in the relationship such as vacationing with her ex-husband and lied a lot. The thing is though while I do agree MJ was wrong for accepting Debbie's crazy offer, Lisa could have had mjs children (if she wanted too) she obviously did not want too so I don't see why she would be upset about that when she knew mj wanted a family in the begining. They both agreed that they wanted the same thing before the marriage but she lied about having kids once they got married which is why the marriage ultimately ended (thats the truth, which mj said even on the tapes despite her lies). A lot of what she had to say after the marriage was very disrespectful, hurtful and not things you would say about someone , "you once loved" I don't believe she ever loved him and I think the marriage was out of convience/timing. The truth is, Lisa became bitter because MJ did not take her back but that still is no reason to say the awful things she said about him considering MJ did not say not one thing about her after the divorce. She also lies alot about what went on in the relationship and never takes responsibility of her actions and what she did.

[Edited 11/8/15 19:10pm]

alphastreet said:

Both mj and lisa had drama and she was in pain too. All that behaviour was a cry for help. They wanted different things and equally hurt each other, it happens everyday but it happened in the public eye Mj himself acknowledged in moonwalk he was wearing the black glove during off the wall days. One of the jacksons variety show performance also has mj wearing a very similar suit to smooth criminal with gold in it, a tribute to acts before his time and revisited beautifully in smooth criminal. Anything that became mainstream of his even in later years , we fans knew about. What was new during msg shows, he had done on victory, dangerous and history tours. New fans got excited over rehearsal footage on this is it, I already knew the tours, shows, rehearsals online for years etc. I get what you're saying about cultural appropriation generally speaking , but also learned to have some compassion about it even if confused at times by him. Still loved him and wanted him to be alright, knew he didn't really want to do this is it and also felt people pleasing was a huge factor from the second I heard the words he's gone. [Edited 11/8/15 16:12pm] [Edited 11/8/15 16:15pm]

I am not denying that MJ was not perfect in the marriage but I do think Lisa's behaviour after the divorce was very vindictive and disrespectful (there are no excuses for that) while MJ moved on and was classy about their seperation by saying nothing. During the trial, she made ambigious comments that implied she saw MJ molesting children or at least the thought was possible. Now I am sorry but that is beyond typical bitter exes (talk) and that is just someone that is going out there way to slander someone. She also called her relationship with michael the biggest mistake of her life and lied about what went on during relationship. There are even quotes from her where she is still bad mouthing him up until 2008!!! I am sorry but that is not typical. Lisa is a very fake, immature and vile woman. You don't do things like that after divorcing someone almost 20 years ago and then once he dies she pretends she never tried to slander him. Michael did not hurt Lisa in that way. He never disrespected her after the divorce or spoke ill about her like she did.. Michael and Lisa were not compatible and their union was not based on true love. Michael did the right thing when he did not take her back.

[Edited 11/8/15 19:25pm]

mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said: I've seen the videos of her alleged "slander " and I will say this can she be a bitch? Yes, but think about the timeline...although said in poor timing and taste she was recovering after being completely discarded AGAIN by Michael (whilst he was with his baby mother ol Debbie), she was hurting and she talked shit about her exes like most of us do. Je wasn't an angel in that marriage either and he's admitted to that. The lyrics were beautiful and though I'm definitely NOT a fan of hers especially her callous but understandable ways, she still my favorite wife and most of his associates agree that since she was the very few people who told him No she somewhat knocked some sense into him briefly of course

Although MJ was not perfect in the relationship, I don't like her because she mislead him and bribed him with children. She promised him children before they got married (knowing he would not marry her otherwise) and went back on her word. She also did a number of shady things herself in the relationship such as vacationing with her ex-husband and lied a lot. The thing is though while I do agree MJ was wrong for accepting Debbie's crazy offer, Lisa could have had mjs children (if she wanted too) she obviously did not want too so I don't see why she would be upset about that when she knew mj wanted a family in the begining. They both agreed that they wanted the same thing before the marriage but she lied about having kids once they got married which is why the marriage ultimately ended (thats the truth, which mj said even on the tapes despite her lies). A lot of what she had to say after the marriage was very disrespectful, hurtful and not things you would say about someone , "you once loved" I don't believe she ever loved him and I think the marriage was out of convience/timing. The truth is, Lisa became bitter because MJ did not take her back but that still is no reason to say the awful things she said about him considering MJ did not say not one thing about her after the divorce. She also lies alot about what went on in the relationship and never takes responsibility of her actions and what she did.

[Edited 11/8/15 19:10pm]

mj and lisa were both trying to rescue themselves and each other cause of their family dynamics and could relate to each other, they did things to hurt each other, her hanging with her ex, but she hung out with michael for ages too while he was married to debbie and they almost got back together, then something went wrong by the time marriage number 3 and 4 came about. He was away a lot too without contact for weeks, they were both hurting each other and getting toxic. I can only hope she's grown from it and he did too, it was a learning curve. I agree she was out of line in the interview, but she was also misguided and listening to her mother too much.

[Edited 11/8/15 19:27pm]

mjscarousal said:

See....that's that bullshit mj fans pull sometimes man. Now I'm not personally attacking you because you aren't the first with this argument but this arguement irriates me.


Michael Jackson is a man, a very sweet kind gentle man HOWEVER he still a man who's very used to getting his way automatically. Have we forgotten what they both risked or the fact Michael came to HER.... a married woman with 2 kids? They weren't together long nor married long but put yourself in her shoes. You're married with 2 kids and a great source of income (via Elvis estate and other business ventures ) and you meet a troubled man like Michael...hes charming and gosh darn loveable however he gets caught up in a terrible scandal of what's really extortion but its still a horrendous title being put on him. He comes to YOU (hence the Superwoman complex ) during his hardest times and eventually this affair becomes intimate and you help ruin your long marriage and now YOUR once stable life is in shambles.....you see where I'm going....

Lisa already had 2 young children of her own that she now had to explain their new environment and circumstances AND deal with these obvious vultures who want to hurt her husband AND now her lovable yet irritating husband is carrying a fucking baby doll to guilt trip her because her uterus just isn't fast enough for his taste. AND to put the cherry on top another woman offers to do her wifely job because she's not fast enough to produce that baby (that goddamn Jezebel ) and her dear husband takes it without so much as a mention to her and mysteriously leaves her for weeks with no contact but expects her to be happy for the cameras on the 1995 MTV awards. Oh and to findout after their affair FINALLY ended in the early 2000s that his mistress actually miscarried a baby back when they were still together....



Take the LMP and MJ away from it and it's a troubled marriage. She's a bitch yes, but don't act like shes the Mistress of Evil because his 2 stepchildren weren't enough. Plus all due respect to his kids (whom I adore ) I'm glad those didn't have kids, the timing was wrong, they had a lot of pressing matters to take care of before bringing another life in the shit storm that was his life at the time.