Lisa was not having bi-racial kids and some ya'll are naive if you think otherwise...... She made it very clear to Michael that she did not want any more kids. Michael says it HIMSELF on the Rabbi Tapes. Yall are making to many excuses for Lisa.

PatrickS77 said:

OfftheWall said:

I love Michael more than someone who has never met him probably should, but I don't hate Lisa Marie for her snide comments over the past years.

She should have just kept quiet about it really, calling him a mistake and what not wasn't very nice. If he was still just a glorious popstar, fine, have your bitchy moment if it makes you feel better, but considering he was going through the trial of his life, it made her comments stick out like a sore thumb, considering she was his wife at one point.

But I do think she regrets it.

I try to see it from her perspective, she was 10 years his jr, a mother of two young children, previously married. Being with Michael Jackson is completely different to being with Danny Keough, someone unfamous. Michael Jackson was the biggest superstar on the planet, and had gone through the worst point of of his life, the allegations. They perhaps should have waited before they wed, because they obviously were scheduling their lives on different paths of time. He wanted kids and Lisa said she would have kids, but that doesn't mean she was evil for not giving him an offspring within the two years they were wed. Their relationship was new and fresh and she already being a mother, she probably just wanted to be his wife for a while. She was 26 for and newly in love. Marriage is meant to be forever... So I don't stand with the fans who have the pitchforks up in the air saying 'SHE PROMISED HIM CHILDREN'. As if they had been married for 42 years. They were married a few months. I can't say it's ok that Michael ended up telling her he had Debbie on stand by either, despite his heart yearning for kids. It was horrible of him to say that, no matter how desperate he was. That's not something you say to your wife, to the woman you love, or who loves you. Slap on the wrist there for MJ.

The whole Debbie scenario, how she was offering her womb, knowing he was already wed. I can't blame that tearing Lisa apart. Lisa said when the marriage fell apart that it broke her completely, and she had to be swept off of the floor, panic attacks and depression. I do believe her... her comments in the press prove that she obvious felt something. If she was nonchalant, she would just say no comment. But she always bit the hook... It was frustrating that she would just act so uninterested, yet not uninterested enough to say something. However, she never insinuated he was guilty, she always maintained the marriage was real for her, she just didn't know if it was real for him... and that's natural and pretty understandable if his alleged behaviours are anything to go by. When you break up with someone, when it goes distant, you do wonder if it was real on the other persons behalf. Alot of things in the marriage concerned her and made her feel shut out. What was the hospital scenario when she was turned away by the doctors? I remember hearing about that, and that pissed her off. Obviously Michael had leechy doctors and Lisa saw that. But another reason why she probably wondered if the relationship was real was the 7 weeks on vacation with the Cascio's or whatever it was, then getting told she has to be at the VMA's you're bound to think... does he care?

It wasn't all Michael's fault though, Lisa said he couldn't deal with her ex husband always being in the picture. He was the father of her children and that could be another reason why he was desperate to have kids with her asap.

Despite it all, I don't think she's using MJ for gain, honestly, I don't. She's Elvis's daughter for crying out loud, she doesn't have anything to gain. She went on Oprah to talk about the marriage to Michael, two years or so before her CD was released because she knew every reporter would be asking her about him, so she gave Oprah the scoop... and she did very well on that I think. It painted the picture so clearly, atleast I think so.

Death changes alot, and she has lost her father, and Michael's death is the same magnitude, the same sort of terrible premature ending... to act like it would not effect her is silly. He was her husband at one point, she compared her feelings to him to the feelings she had for her dad. That isn't phony to me. I think she really loved Michael Jackson, that's why she was so bitter about him, and now so heartbroken.

Or maybe I'm just a romantic? I can just picture Mj's ghost in her home caressing her shoulders. When he's not with me obviously.

Good post. And lets not forget, even years after they divorced she still travelled around the world to meet up with him.

Because according to Michael, she wanted to get back with him and I quote MJ "She tried for months and months" Michael was done with her.

mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

I think to put it down to Michael being black is a low blow. If Lisa didn't want black children, why the hell would she even go forward with her interest in getting to know Michael beyond a friendship? Hanging out with his sister after they split, continuing to go visit him around the world? Come on.

Elvis had one real brother who died at birth, Jesse. Was Elvis even close to his step brother? I wonder... since his mother was his entire world, his dad remarrying must have hurt. So I doubt this step brother knew Elvis in and out, but I could be wrong. Even if he knew him well, I take these Memphis folks who end up on TV in documentaries talking for Elvis and putting Michael down, with a giant pinch of salt. How can these 5th cousins removed know what Elvis would have thought? And how do they have any inkling to Lisa's mind when it comes to who she would have kids with. Lisa was 9 when her dad died, I doubt he sat her down and told her 'NO BLACK MEN LISA'.

Elvis's girlfriend Linda Thomspon never had a bad word to say about Lisa's marriage to Michael, she thought it was legit. So, there ya go. One of Elvis's camp who thought it was hot shit! And she did know him intimately, so that matters!

And yeah, Lisa only had kids with 2/4 of her husbands. She never had children with the two superstars she married, Nic Cage (the biggest superstar in the world of all time) and Michael Jackson. The quick marriages that were full of headlines. Maybe that was a reason why, and the fact that they were short term marriages? She never had kids with her latest husband until they were together for almost 5 years or something right? So, perhaps if MJ and Lisa stuck it out, there'd be a little Presley Jackson, but it wasn't to be.

Unless... they really did have a kid and Rebbie raised him like she did with Janet's daughter.

Hmm?

I think to put it down to Michael being black is a low blow. If Lisa didn't want black children, why the hell would she even go forward with her interest in getting to know Michael beyond a friendship? Hanging out with his sister after they split, continuing to go visit him around the world? Come on.

Elvis had one real brother who died at birth, Jesse. Was Elvis even close to his step brother? I wonder... since his mother was his entire world, his dad remarrying must have hurt. So I doubt this step brother knew Elvis in and out, but I could be wrong. Even if he knew him well, I take these Memphis folks who end up on TV in documentaries talking for Elvis and putting Michael down, with a giant pinch of salt. How can these 5th cousins removed know what Elvis would have thought? And how do they have any inkling to Lisa's mind when it comes to who she would have kids with. Lisa was 9 when her dad died, I doubt he sat her down and told her 'NO BLACK MEN LISA'.

Elvis's girlfriend Linda Thomspon never had a bad word to say about Lisa's marriage to Michael, she thought it was legit. So, there ya go. One of Elvis's camp who thought it was hot shit! And she did know him intimately, so that matters!

And yeah, Lisa only had kids with 2/4 of her husbands. She never had children with the two superstars she married, Nic Cage (the biggest superstar in the world of all time) and Michael Jackson. The quick marriages that were full of headlines. Maybe that was a reason why, and the fact that they were short term marriages? She never had kids with her latest husband until they were together for almost 5 years or something right? So, perhaps if MJ and Lisa stuck it out, there'd be a little Presley Jackson, but it wasn't to be.

Unless... they really did have a kid and Rebbie raised him like she did with Janet's daughter.

OfftheWall said:

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Girl......a lot of men do that to their exes. ..but there's actual pictures of them being together and him taking her on tour INSTEAD of taking his pregnant wife. Just like Lisa Marie said particularly unsavory things about Michael amd you call her out Michael can do the same. Lisa can say " He chased me and romanced me" she's a lying ass thirsty bitch but if Michael says she chased him his word is bond? Like you said before he was hurt by her so his ego might have been bruised. So he would've said some ish like that....again 3 sides to every story. And both and I do mean BOTH tell their stories by presenting them in a more positive light than the other. This is basically what they've been saying Michael : He was lied to, seduced by this woman (basically every femme fatale he's sung about) All he wanted was from her to give him children like she "promised " Lisa: She was trying to be his superwoman and wound up being used (in her eyes) and couldn't do anything for him anymore since it was obvious that she wasn't wanted. The truth is unknown and I'll respectfully leave it alone because marriage is sacred even if they are now divorced they've been too hurt by this and after years they moved on [Edited 11/11/15 13:13pm]

That is not true. Debbie actually did accompanied Michael on the HIStory tour and Lisa did not accompany with him. She attended these shows and later meant up with him.

The problem with this post is that Michael was secretly recorded on tape revealing that Lisa chased him down (mind you these tapes were not meant to be public). This is Michael's ONLY incident in which he talks about what happened after and during his marriage to Lisa and the ONLY reason why we know about it is because the Rabbi released the tapes without Michael's permission after he died.

So your theory that Michael would lie to make himself "look good" does't quite make sense because these tapes were never meant for public consumption and MJ actually admits his faults in the marriage. Lisa on the other hand spent many years, insulting and bashing Michael publicly. In addition, she never owns up to any wrong doing on her apart in the marriage and she has lied about many things that went on in their relationship. She has discussed her relationship with MJ numerous times publicly so IMHO I think she has more reason to lie and to make herself appear better in the relationship since Michael never talked about it when he was alive.

Also, Michael said on the Rabbi Tapes that Lisa and Him were "friends" so IMHO if he thinks they are JUST friends what is wrong with her going to his concert? What is wrong with them hanging out? Michael never insists that him and Lisa trying to get back together and I honestly don't feel like he had any reasons to lie because these tapes were not meant to be public and doubt he was even aware they were being recorded. Hell, on the tapes he said he hated Madonna and loved Brooke Shields but he never speaks fawnly about Lisa or insists that he loved her. Again, on the tapes, He says that Lisa tried to get back with him and he makes it clear that he was not interested. I am not sure why some of you fans try to make a fairytale out of his relationship with Lisa Marie. Michael dated plenty of women before and after her. Also, Lisa was engaged twice in the late 90s during the time frame she claims her and Michael were seeing each other which is a bunch of lies.

[Edited 11/11/15 19:24pm]

Beautifulstarr123 said:

mjscarousal said:

AGREE.

People want to sit up here and act like the Presleys are not racist. Priscilla Presley is racist as hell. Lisa Marie was not having no bi-racial kids...period. I firmly believe she never intended on having kids with Michael. People can sit here and talk b.s. all they want but thats the real. ALSO, its not like Lisa was in la la land before the marriage and MJ pressured her to have kids. Lisa AGREED BEFORE the marriage that she wanted kids as well. So all this MJ was pressuring her and manipulating her to have kids is null and void when that was something that was they both MUTUALLY agreed upon before the marriage. Its obvious she misled Michael and lied about it. And before someone insists Lisa changed her mind on the Rabbi tapes Michael says "Lisa did not want kids" "And she promised before marriage that would be the very first thing we did" Again, MJ had fault too but some ya'll making it seem as though Lisa was this naive daizel in distress and that is FAR from the truth.

Also, you can't expect anything good to come out of that marriage when your spouse leaves their first spouse for you. So yeah, both are at fault.

Exactly but people insist on painting Lisa as this naive girl? She left her first husband for Michael and she had JUST had gave birth to her second child when she pursued him! That is not a woman that is naive or stupid. She knew exactly what she was doing.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

OfftheWall said:

I think to put it down to Michael being black is a low blow. If Lisa didn't want black children, why the hell would she even go forward with her interest in getting to know Michael beyond a friendship? Hanging out with his sister after they split, continuing to go visit him around the world? Come on.

Elvis had one real brother who died at birth, Jesse. Was Elvis even close to his step brother? I wonder... since his mother was his entire world, his dad remarrying must have hurt. So I doubt this step brot her knew Elvis in and out, but I could be wrong. Even if he knew him well, I take these Memphis folks who end up on TV in documentaries talking for Elvis and putting Michael down, with a giant pinch of salt. How can these 5th cousins removed know what Elvis would have thought? And how do they have any inkling to Lisa's mind when it comes to who she would have kids with. Lisa was 9 when her dad died, I doubt he sat her down and told her 'NO BLACK MEN LISA'.

Elvis's girlfriend Linda Thomspon never had a bad word to say about Lisa's marriage to Michael, she thought it was legit. So, there ya go. One of Elvis's camp who thought it was hot shit! And she did know him intimately, so that matters!

And yeah, Lisa only had kids with 2/4 of her husbands. She never had children with the two superstars she married, Nic Cage (the biggest superstar in the world of all time) and Michael Jackson. The quick marriages that were full of headlines. Maybe that was a reason why, and the fact that they were short term marriages? She never had kids with her latest husband until they were together for almost 5 years or something right? So, perhaps if MJ and Lisa stuck it out, there'd be a little Presley Jackson, but it wasn't to be.

Unless... they really did have a kid and Rebbie raised him like she did with Janet's daughter.

Hmm?

Actually, I didn't put it down to Michael being black. It was his step brother David Stanley. He knew Elvis long enough to know what Elvis is all about, and I didn't say anything about distant cousins. To be fair, Elvis is not here to defend himself but Priscilla downright disliked MJ but imposed an influence on Lisa. Her bigotry was very publically transparent. It was agreed between the two they would have kids but she backed out. If she really wanted kids with MJ, she would of had them, no excuses. [Edited 11/11/15 17:59pm]

Exactly and your right there really are no excuses. She didn't want to have kids with him and I believe Michael because Michael had no reason to lie. Michael also admits his faults in the marriage on tape so this notion that he tried to make himself look good is null and void. Lisa has lied many time about her relationship with MJ and what she did wrong in the marriage. One namely, her dishonesty about agreeing before the marriage to have children. She always makes it seem as though she was pressured and that is far from the truth.....

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

That is not true. Debbie actually did accompanied Michael on the HIStory tour and Lisa did not accompany with him. She attended these shows and later meant up with him.

The problem with this post is that Michael was secretly recorded on tape revealing that Lisa chased him down (mind you these tapes were not meant to be public). This is Michael's ONLY incident in which he talks about what happened after and during his marriage to Lisa and the ONLY reason why we know about it is because the Rabbi released the tapes without Michael's permission after he died.

So your theory that Michael would lie to make himself "look good" does't quite make sense because these tapes were never meant for public consumption and MJ actually admits his faults in the marriage. Lisa on the other hand spent many years, insulting and bashing Michael publicly. In addition, she never owns up to any wrong doing on her apart in the marriage and she has lied about many things that went on in their relationship. She has discussed her relationship with MJ numerous times publicly so IMHO I think she has more reason to lie and to make herself appear better in the relationship since Michael never talked about it when he was alive.

Also, Michael said on the Rabbi Tapes that Lisa and Him were "friends" so IMHO if he thinks they are JUST friends what is wrong with her going to his concert? What is wrong with them hanging out? Michael never insists that him and Lisa trying to get back together and I honestly don't feel like he had any reasons to lie because these tapes were not meant to be public and doubt he was even aware they were being recorded. Hell, on the tapes he said he hated Madonna and loved Brooke Shields but he never speaks fawnly about Lisa or insists that he loved her. Again, on the tapes, He says that Lisa tried to get back with him and he makes it clear that he was not interested. I am not sure why some of you fans try to make a fairytale out of his relationship with Lisa Marie. Michael dated plenty of women before and after her. Also, Lisa was engaged twice in the late 90s during the time frame she claims her and Michael were seeing each other which is a bunch of lies.

[Edited 11/11/15 19:24pm]

I have exclusive entertainment tonight footage of history backstage when a new leg started after princes birth. Both Debbie Rowe and Lisa Marie were backstage with him, and they were saying "he and Lisa were still pretty good friends" Debbie was early in her pregnancy I believe....then in fall of that year, oct or nob, mj and lmp were out and about in Hollywood with mj in a mask and blue shirt, also have this from ET & Extra, remember it like it was yesterday. I do t know what the encounter meant but it sure points to the fact mj and Lisa were chillin and the were ok after the marriage for years till something went wrong

The thing is though.... Michael says this on the tapes. Michael says that him and Lisa were FRIENDS that hung out (he also says that he had lost contact with her during the period the tapes were recorded 2000) Michael also says that she was interested in him romantically and that she wanted to get back with him.....but he was not interested , I quote "She promised me 9 kids and began hanging out with my mother and she tried for months and months but I closed my heart of the entire situation" In addition, he also mentions things that she did in the marriage that he did not like and why it ultimately ended. Just because they hung out doesn't mean they were sleeping together or MJ was still interested in her. In Michaels TV Guide Interview 1999 he also says that he lost contact with Lisa so her assertion that they were in contact 4 years after the divorce is a lie. I believe they lost contact around 1999 so that would mean for at least 2 years after the divorce they were in touch (the period Lisa was trying to get back with Michael all while being engaged twice ) Lisa Marie is a LIAR and a bitch, I am sorry I just can't stand her....

[Edited 11/11/15 20:59pm]

They didn't last long enough to blame Lisa for not having a baby within their marriage. And a large portion of their marriage was during a huge promotional tour for Michael's new album, so where would it all fit without the stress of traveling back and forth (because remember Lisa had two young children who needed to see their dad often)? If they were wed longer and she still didn't want to have his baby, then fine. But it didn't last, so I think there were valid 'excuses' for not having a child right away. And by the time the History era was ending, Michael had Debbie and two kids to his name...

Fans spoke about how they were together over the late 90s beyond the divorce way before MJ died and before she spoke to Oprah about it, so I doubt it was a lie.

Some tidbits I found on YT that we've all seen before but kinda fit the 'DEBATE'.

Here's Debbie Rowe's full interview talking about her relationship with Mike

"Lisa regrets not having his baby!"

mjscarousal said:

Isn't this site supposed to be about an artist's music, videos or performances? When did this turn into As The World Turns (Michael Jackson edition).

Clearly, some folks have no lives of their own so need to live it through Michael Jackson and his marriages from two decades ago.

OfftheWall said:

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

Isn't this site supposed to be about an artist's music, videos or performances? When did this turn into As The World Turns (Michael Jackson edition).

Clearly, some folks have no lives of their own so need to live it through Michael Jackson and his marriages from two decades ago.

I was thinking we better post some music stuff in a minute. We're just having a chat about our mans marriages, aight? lol Only sharing views on things that were shared with the world.

Just think... they thought this wouldn't last? Little did Michael know how right he was? It's been lasting 20 years through discussion on internet forums.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

ANYWAY. ....what's your guy's favorite unreleased song and why?

Lovin' You

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

The thing is though.... Michael says this on the tapes. Michael says that him and Lisa were FRIENDS that hung out (he also says that he had lost contact with her during the period the tapes were recorded 2000) Michael also says that she was interested in him romantically and that she wanted to get back with him.....but he was not interested , I quote "She promised me 9 kids and began hanging out with my mother and she tried for months and months but I closed my heart of the entire situation" In addition, he also mentions things that she did in the marriage that he did not like and why it ultimately ended. Just because they hung out doesn't mean they were sleeping together or MJ was still interested in her. In Michaels TV Guide Interview 1999 he also says that he lost contact with Lisa so her assertion that they were in contact 4 years after the divorce is a lie. I believe they lost contact around 1999 so that would mean for at least 2 years after the divorce they were in touch (the period Lisa was trying to get back with Michael all while being engaged twice ) Lisa Marie is a LIAR and a bitch, I am sorry I just can't stand her....

[Edited 11/11/15 20:59pm]

Ok so she was that but she was also hurt and bitter he didn't want her back and retaliated, I'm sure it bruised her ego. I don't know if they were intimate or not after the divorce but it wouldn't surprise me either, it's none of my business but it's not uncommon for exes to do that either or be friends with benefits. Michael knew what he wanted and it wasn't her anymore but he was a man too with needs to be fair and so was she, they both were taking care of each other at s vulnerable point in his life so it makes perfect sense why they stayed around each other

Your still giving her the benefit of the doubt....why I don't know. Its obvious Lisa fabricated that lie to Oprah because Michael is on tape insisting he did not want to get back with Lisa. Karen Faye said in 2013 during the AEG trial that MJ wanted the divorce first. Michael was definitly a man but why is it so hard to believe that he just was not feelin Lisa? I think it makes perfect sense. They had nothing in common and once he realized his mistake he moved right along with his life nicely while she immaturely bitched about it for entire decade.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

OfftheWall said:

They didn't last long enough to blame Lisa for not having a baby within their marriage. And a large portion of their marriage was during a huge promotional tour for Michael's new album, so where would it all fit without the stress of traveling back and forth (because remember Lisa had two young children who needed to see their dad often)? If they were wed longer and she still didn't want to have his baby, then fine. But it didn't last, so I think there were valid 'excuses' for not having a child right away. And by the time the History era was ending, Michael had Debbie and two kids to his name...

Fans spoke about how they were together over the late 90s beyond the divorce way before MJ died and before she spoke to Oprah about it, so I doubt it was a lie.

Some tidbits I found on YT that we've all seen before but kinda fit the 'DEBATE'.

Here's Debbie Rowe's full interview talking about her relationship with Mike

"Lisa regrets not having his baby!"

They were married almost two years, so that's enough time to start a family, but it took no time at all for Debbie Rowe to give him the family he yearned for, despite his busy life. Too late, Lisa. No excuses.

Agree

I am not sure why people are making so many excuses for Lisa like she was the love of MJ's life. Michael had a love.....but it definitly was not Lisa! Michael dated plenty of women before and after Lisa. There was nothing special about her and their union was based on circumstances.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

ANYWAY. ....what's your guy's favorite unreleased song and why?

TOO Many

Lovin You- Demo Version

I'm So Blue

Street Walker

Monkey Business

Somone Put Your Hand Out

A Place With No Name

On The Line

The Way You Love Me

Chicago

mjscarousal said:

I would say Al Capone was a great unreleased song. Deeper than Smooth Criminal and could have been used for the soundtrack to the Untouchables.

mjscarousal said: