QueenofPurplePalace said:

Scorp said:

But u are wrong because I didnt quote is as a source but I know u wont admit this though I referred to him using the word Magic to promote the original edition of his book for that how MJs talent and music was referred to as such when he was younger Show the people here where I quoted anything from that book as a source and Ill be waiting

You didn't lol just don't mention it unless its a joke in Moonwalker land....I learned that the hard way my friend

He wants to turn this all around and make it as though people are picking on him The problem is though...mentioning a book is a form of reference. Why did he choose THAT book out of all the other books and literature written on MJ to prove his point? The book is very scandelous and slanders Michael, so why even mention it? Just full of B.S. Just own up to when you are wrong or trying to be shady but thats really all he does here is start arguments.

mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said:

I really really appreciate your respectfulness throughout this discussion although we have disagreed on a lot. But imo, I don't think they were ever in love. I think the relationship was based on pure infatuation that quickly died away once the true intentions from both sides came into play. I kinda see what you are saying with the doll example but in this particular case, I don't view the doll example as manipulative because the discussion of whether or not partners want children in a relationship is a very "serious issue" that I think Lisa did not take seriouly well at least on Michael's part.

If Lisa was hurt because MJ got kids from Debbie, it was imo her own fault. Michael even says on the tapes that he told Lisa Debbie was going to give him kids and Lisa replied "I don't care" (So its not like she did not know about it) Lisa made the decision to go back on her word and lie to Michael and while AGAIN I do agree accepting Debbie's crazy offer was wrong of MJ, I think that he did it because Lisa lied and was not being honest AND because he really wanted kids and wanted to be a father. He was not in love with Lisa which is why he quickly accepted Debbie's offer.

I see what you saying however the way he went about it was wrong. Every man kmows DAMN well if she says I don't care she's mad and you're in danger.,,shoot Peter pan knew when Tinkerbell was mad so there's no excuse lol. I never understood Debbie I just saw her as his walking uterus or rather his surrogate but to be fair at least Debbie was upfront about the children...she wasn't gonna mother them and he was cool with that. ..

But to be honest, Lisa really did not care. Her actions show did not care because of her dishonety from the beginning. She didn't care that MJ was hurt that she lied and did not want to have kids.

Your right it was wrong the way he went about it...... but it probably would have never led to that if Lisa would have just been honest from the very beginning.

I don't like Debbie either, but as you mentioned she was honest with Michael and she never publicly slandered him. She always called him a good father and friend unlike Lisa.

Overall, I think Lisa and Debbie were two women that used and manipulated Michael. He deserved better from a woman and oh there was a letter that surfaced after MJ died in which he is writing to a woman that appears he was in a relationship with. He calls the woman the future mother of his fourth child, I have to find it though.

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mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Scorp said: You didn't lol just don't mention it unless its a joke in Moonwalker land....I learned that the hard way my friend

He wants to turn this all around and make it as though people are picking on him The problem is though...mentioning a book is a form of reference. Why did he choose THAT book out of all the other books and literature written on MJ to prove his point? The book is very scandelous and slanders Michael, so why even mention it? Just full of B.S. Just own up to when you are wrong or trying to be shady but thats really all he does here is start arguments.

if we gonna go that route, every major book written about this man uses a word or phrase that refers to his career, rather it's a lyric to a song, a reference who how he was referred to years ago, or even phrases or even quotes of his own directly

no, just admit that u jumped a gun and when searching for fire when there was no smoke beforehand.......overzealousness

a word of a book title is not the same as a quote

I'm a leave this alone and show that I dont' attention seek

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mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

He wants to turn this all around and make it as though people are picking on him The problem is though...mentioning a book is a form of reference. Why did he choose THAT book out of all the other books and literature written on MJ to prove his point? The book is very scandelous and slanders Michael, so why even mention it? Just full of B.S. Just own up to when you are wrong or trying to be shady but thats really all he does here is start arguments.

if we gonna go that route, every major book written about this man uses a word or phrase that refers to his career, rather it's a lyric to a song, a reference who how he was referred to years ago, or even phrases or even quotes of his own directly

no, just admit that u jumped a gun and when searching for fire when there was no smoke beforehand.......overzealousness

a word of a book title is not the same as a quote

I'm a leave this alone and show that I dont' attention seek

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I am not admitting to anything because I believe you were trying to be shady by mentioning the book. I believe you also come here to purposely start arguments. I am not sure why though because every one here knows your stance on MJ on so I am not sure why you feel the need to constantly repeat them and derail threads.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said:

But to be honest, Lisa really did not care. Her actions show did not care because of her dishonety from the beginning. She didn't care that MJ was hurt that she lied and did not want to have kids.

Your right it was wrong the way he went about it...... but it probably would have never led to that if Lisa would have just been honest from the very beginning.

I don't like Debbie either, but as you mentioned she was honest with Michael and she never publicly slandered him. She always called him a good father and friend unlike Lisa.

Overall, I think Lisa and Debbie were two women that used and manipulated Michael. He deserved better from a woman and oh there was a letter that surfaced after MJ died in which he is writing to a woman that appears he was in a relationship with. He calls the woman the future mother of his fourth child, I have to find it though.

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Can't agree with you on that. Lisa didn't need Michael's money nor fame since she was already scandelous at the time and well known hence her last name...,,Debbie...,I don't see how she used him.

Lisa did not need Michael's money but that doesn't mean she didn't use him. She definitly gained more fame and notoriety once she married Michael. Michael was also going to help her with her singing career as well and as we discussed previously, she did do a number of things throughout the relationship that was a form of manipulation. (i.e. lying about wanting children). She also tried to get MJ to join the Scientology cult. Debbie used Michael for money She is forever tied to Michael's children's name because she is their mother and she forever gets payment from the MJ Estate because of their contractual agreement. I think she used Michael at a very vunerable state when he wanted kids.

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QueenofPurplePalace said:

Hold up PAUSE Can we just discuss this video for a second because I can't breathe Michael Jackson says, "Look at her titties!" xD: http://youtu.be/yH7_6pFAdLA

OMG, He was hilarious. This was when he went to Gary Indiana.

mjscarousal said:

^ You minus well go a head and say it now. The worst that will happen is me disagreeing with you. I can't stand both those women and I honestly believe MJ should have married a strong minded intelligent woman that geniunely loved him for him and not just MJ the superstar. I know MJ was not perfect and was a complicated man but those two women definitly had their own agendas as well and obviously were not meant for Michael.

mjscarousal said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said:

^ You minus well go a head and say it now. The worst that will happen is me disagreeing with you. I can't stand both those women and I honestly believe MJ should have married a strong minded intelligent woman that geniunely loved him for him and not just MJ the superstar. I know MJ was not perfect and was a complicated man but those two women definitly had their own agendas as well and obviously were not meant for Michael.

I see it more of him using them now before you kill me just listen lol. Michael met LMP around 1992 (as an adult anyway ) and his attentions were more along around hit and quit it as he does that with many women, I say he perused her because that's what John said and some other people I can't remember his name.... 1993 scandal happens and his friendship deepens with Lisa because of her Superwoman complex and they eventually have sexual relations forming an affair and grow closer as more and more chaos happens around him. He clings onto her for sanity and she enjoys feeling like shes helping him out. Things get deeper and he proposes to her after she leaves her husband. Now during this time frame Michael's pure image is sullied. People who have been speculating that he was gay since like the moment the poor man's balls dropped have something now. People are whispering so he marries lisa. It made sense, she was pretty, the King of Rock and Rolls daughter and she thoroughly believed him and as she displayed in that infamous interview with Diane Sawyer in 1994 she was not afraid to be crass and outspoken when ot came to defending him. Plus she also was profitable since she had access to Elvis's catalog which correct me if I'm wrong he owns now..... she was more so a way for him to clean up his image and although we ALL know Mike genuinely wanted kids it didn't hurt that the fact that if he indeed did get Lisa pregnant it would at least silence the they aren't having sex rumour (which we should know by now those two was having sex....) she was literally perfect for the situation and no event was evident than that staged kiss at the MTV awards. Stevie Wonder could see she wasn't feeling it, not because she didn't love him its because she didn't want to be so forced and fake. ...as predicted it made matters worst. For Debbie I don't see how y'all hate her. She offered him kids, he took it, and she fulfilled her end of the bargain. She didn't want to marry him and Michael didn't want to marry her, but I guess Katherine decided Joh'vohnie was the only bastard of the family she could take. So of course Debbie left, she had no intentions to keep his kids away from him. The only time she expressed interest in spending time with them was when her visiting privileges were shortened, and when he died. ...was it for the money or concern for her babies especially poor Paris at the time...? Who knows Paris loves her and forgave her and Prince. ......yeah...he made a statement that their nanny was basically their mother. So there's that... Debbie was a contract wife...she did her part so I'm not mad... I think Lisa was more used. ...I just think she wanted a record deal and let's be real.....she could've stayed his mistress for all that although I'm highly skeptical that elvis Presleys daughter has trouble getting into a studio when her first husband was a musician. ...but its all between those 2 and they let it go so I guess no use picking at a clean bone for meat Don't hate me lol

I've read several biographies on MJ since his passing. I don't recall which one, but one of them quoted Lisa Marie as saying that the kiss was awkward because she was pissed at MJ because he had been missing for several days before the award show and they were fighting about it and he just expected her to kiss him on stage as if nothing happened. The last book that I read was by the bodyguards that protected him from after the trial up until a few months before his death. They said that nanny Grace told them that Lisa Marie was good for MJ and that they really loved each other. Grace told them that Lisa Marie kept all the vultures away from MJ and because of that, she became a target and people tried to get her away from him.

illimack said:

I've read several biographies on MJ since his passing. I don't recall which one, but one of them quoted Lisa Marie as saying that the kiss was awkward because she was pissed at MJ because he had been missing for several days before the award show and they were fighting about it and he just expected her to kiss him on stage as if nothing happened. .

That is BS. She kissed him in '94. She was pissed in '95, as he spent the summer away from her.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

mjscarousal said:

^ You minus well go a head and say it now. The worst that will happen is me disagreeing with you. I can't stand both those women and I honestly believe MJ should have married a strong minded intelligent woman that geniunely loved him for him and not just MJ the superstar. I know MJ was not perfect and was a complicated man but those two women definitly had their own agendas as well and obviously were not meant for Michael.

I see it more of him using them now before you kill me just listen lol. Michael met LMP around 1992 (as an adult anyway ) and his attentions were more along around hit and quit it as he does that with many women, I say he perused her because that's what John said and some other people I can't remember his name.... 1993 scandal happens and his friendship deepens with Lisa because of her Superwoman complex and they eventually have sexual relations forming an affair and grow closer as more and more chaos happens around him. He clings onto her for sanity and she enjoys feeling like shes helping him out. Things get deeper and he proposes to her after she leaves her husband. Now during this time frame Michael's pure image is sullied. People who have been speculating that he was gay since like the moment the poor man's balls dropped have something now. People are whispering so he marries lisa. It made sense, she was pretty, the King of Rock and Rolls daughter and she thoroughly believed him and as she displayed in that infamous interview with Diane Sawyer in 1994 she was not afraid to be crass and outspoken when ot came to defending him. Plus she also was profitable since she had access to Elvis's catalog which correct me if I'm wrong he owns now..... she was more so a way for him to clean up his image and although we ALL know Mike genuinely wanted kids it didn't hurt that the fact that if he indeed did get Lisa pregnant it would at least silence the they aren't having sex rumour (which we should know by now those two was having sex....) she was literally perfect for the situation and no event was evident than that staged kiss at the MTV awards. Stevie Wonder could see she wasn't feeling it, not because she didn't love him its because she didn't want to be so forced and fake. ...as predicted it made matters worst. For Debbie I don't see how y'all hate her. She offered him kids, he took it, and she fulfilled her end of the bargain. She didn't want to marry him and Michael didn't want to marry her, but I guess Katherine decided Joh'vohnie was the only bastard of the family she could take. So of course Debbie left, she had no intentions to keep his kids away from him. The only time she expressed interest in spending time with them was when her visiting privileges were shortened, and when he died. ...was it for the money or concern for her babies especially poor Paris at the time...? Who knows Paris loves her and forgave her and Prince. ......yeah...he made a statement that their nanny was basically their mother. So there's that... Debbie was a contract wife...she did her part so I'm not mad... I think Lisa was more used. ...I just think she wanted a record deal and let's be real.....she could've stayed his mistress for all that although I'm highly skeptical that elvis Presleys daughter has trouble getting into a studio when her first husband was a musician. ...but its all between those 2 and they let it go so I guess no use picking at a clean bone for meat Don't hate me lol

I kinda agree (he doesn't own Elvis catalog though). And well, it takes two to tango. MJ was no angel and he did what was needed to be done to get what he wanted.

I love Michael more than someone who has never met him probably should, but I don't hate Lisa Marie for her snide comments over the past years.

She should have just kept quiet about it really, calling him a mistake and what not wasn't very nice. If he was still just a glorious popstar, fine, have your bitchy moment if it makes you feel better, but considering he was going through the trial of his life, it made her comments stick out like a sore thumb, considering she was his wife at one point.

But I do think she regrets it.

I try to see it from her perspective, she was 10 years his jr, a mother of two young children, previously married. Being with Michael Jackson is completely different to being with Danny Keough, someone unfamous. Michael Jackson was the biggest superstar on the planet, and had gone through the worst point of of his life, the allegations. They perhaps should have waited before they wed, because they obviously were scheduling their lives on different paths of time. He wanted kids and Lisa said she would have kids, but that doesn't mean she was evil for not giving him an offspring within the two years they were wed. Their relationship was new and fresh and she already being a mother, she probably just wanted to be his wife for a while. She was 26 for and newly in love. Marriage is meant to be forever... So I don't stand with the fans who have the pitchforks up in the air saying 'SHE PROMISED HIM CHILDREN'. As if they had been married for 42 years. They were married a few months. I can't say it's ok that Michael ended up telling her he had Debbie on stand by either, despite his heart yearning for kids. It was horrible of him to say that, no matter how desperate he was. That's not something you say to your wife, to the woman you love, or who loves you. Slap on the wrist there for MJ.

The whole Debbie scenario, how she was offering her womb, knowing he was already wed. I can't blame that tearing Lisa apart. Lisa said when the marriage fell apart that it broke her completely, and she had to be swept off of the floor, panic attacks and depression. I do believe her... her comments in the press prove that she obvious felt something. If she was nonchalant, she would just say no comment. But she always bit the hook... It was frustrating that she would just act so uninterested, yet not uninterested enough to say something. However, she never insinuated he was guilty, she always maintained the marriage was real for her, she just didn't know if it was real for him... and that's natural and pretty understandable if his alleged behaviours are anything to go by. When you break up with someone, when it goes distant, you do wonder if it was real on the other persons behalf. Alot of things in the marriage concerned her and made her feel shut out. What was the hospital scenario when she was turned away by the doctors? I remember hearing about that, and that pissed her off. Obviously Michael had leechy doctors and Lisa saw that. But another reason why she probably wondered if the relationship was real was the 7 weeks on vacation with the Cascio's or whatever it was, then getting told she has to be at the VMA's you're bound to think... does he care?

It wasn't all Michael's fault though, Lisa said he couldn't deal with her ex husband always being in the picture. He was the father of her children and that could be another reason why he was desperate to have kids with her asap.

Despite it all, I don't think she's using MJ for gain, honestly, I don't. She's Elvis's daughter for crying out loud, she doesn't have anything to gain. She went on Oprah to talk about the marriage to Michael, two years or so before her CD was released because she knew every reporter would be asking her about him, so she gave Oprah the scoop... and she did very well on that I think. It painted the picture so clearly, atleast I think so.

Death changes alot, and she has lost her father, and Michael's death is the same magnitude, the same sort of terrible premature ending... to act like it would not effect her is silly. He was her husband at one point, she compared her feelings to him to the feelings she had for her dad. That isn't phony to me. I think she really loved Michael Jackson, that's why she was so bitter about him, and now so heartbroken.

Or maybe I'm just a romantic? I can just picture Mj's ghost in her home caressing her shoulders. When he's not with me obviously.

OfftheWall said:

I messed up a few sentences. I think what I should have said is that "she acted uninterested but not uninteresed enough to NOT say something"? And when I said "He was the father of her children and that could be another reason why he was desperate to have kids with her asap. " I meant that Danny was the father of her children, not Michael. Ignore my terrible writing please.

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I'm repeating myself, but really, the fans being pissed as Lisa not 'giving Michael children' is so ridiculous when you think about it, especially when you think about the time frame it all happened.

And within those two years, it wasn't your average life. Michael was promoting an album around the world, then touring outside of America... where was the time to take care of a pregnant wife? Lisa at 8months, too big to fly maybe, so alone in Neverland eating junk food in the theatre, while Mike toured and promoted the album around the world? There was no logical time to have a buba during the HIStory era which was also the WEDding era.

Michael said to the Rabbi Schmuley that they divorced because he wanted kids and she didn't. But Lisa Marie said the marriage ended because she was sick of all the hangers on around him, and kept telling him these people were leeches, and he wouldn't hear of it. I think it was probably a mix of both of them scenario's. She said she gave him a choice, see these people for who they are and be with me or stay with them and see what happens, which she told Oprah she regrets, as both Michael and herself were too stubborn to give into things like ultimatums.

Here's the clip, I just watched it now, so don't think I remembered all of this word for word off the bat. I mean, I sort of did, but not the detail of the details :LOL:

Anyway, they went their seperate ways, and Michael ended up having kids that he wouldn't have to share with anyone else. Kind of interesting. I remember Lisa said if they did have kids but split the custody battle would have been awful, as neither would be the type to give custody up. That could be an inkling into Michael's mindset too for when he went with Debbie to have his own children... she didn't want any form of custody at all, so the children were truly his own.

Lisa's son with an MJ shirt!

[Edited 11/10/15 18:04pm]

I respect everyone's opinions and to be clear I have said numerous of times that MJ had fault in his relationship with Lisa. However, a lot of you all are minimizing Lisa's shortcomings during the marriage and after the divorce and I don't think there excuses for her spiteful and hateful behavior. Lisa made a lot of ambigious comments during the MJ trial that implied MJ molested children and IMO these comments are unforgivable because these comments could have potentially cost Michael's freedom. I don't see how we should suddenly forgive her for something that could have made he go to jail. I honestly just think Lisa is a very fake, immature and spiteful woman. IMHO, I think there were using on both sides. I think Lisa used Michael because she wanted a record deal and marrying him was a way to get out of her first marriage. I also think MJ wanted to start a family and have kids. IMO, he was more interested in having kids than being with Lisa because lets be real, if he was in love with her he would not have accepted Debbie's crazy offer and he would not have disappeared for weeks on in. Lisa pursued Michael because she wanted him to listen to her demo which was confirmed by a record producer who arranged their meeting. She even persisted this even after the producer said MJ was not interested because he felt she could not sing. You all give Lisa to much the benefit of the doubt, she lied in the Oprah 2009 interview and the only reason why she did that interview was because the Rabbi Tapes came out that same year and on the tapes Michael said Lisa begged him to get back with him and wrote him letters promising him 9 kids. I honestly dont think she would have did that interview if those tapes had not leaked. During the interview she made it seem as though they were still romantically seeing each other after the divorce when that is not true. In reality, it was SHE who was trying to get back with Michael. So Lisa is an habitual liar and always manipulates the image of the relationship. MJ never talked about the relationship because he is a class act. I don't believe she loved Michael and I don't believe she ever intended on having his children. I think she lied to him because she knew that is what he wanted to hear because her actions during the marriage and afterward do not reflect someone that was in love. She was smitten but not in love. She change her stance after his death because its now "cool" to like Michael. People are free to think what they like but that is just my opinion on it. I think she bad mouth Michael because she is a bitch and her ego was hurt when MJ did not take her back. She knew MJ would not respond because he didn't care about her ass and had moved on. He also was a class act.

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OfftheWall said:

I love Michael more than someone who has never met him probably should, but I don't hate Lisa Marie for her snide comments over the past years.

She should have just kept quiet about it really, calling him a mistake and what not wasn't very nice. If he was still just a glorious popstar, fine, have your bitchy moment if it makes you feel better, but considering he was going through the trial of his life, it made her comments stick out like a sore thumb, considering she was his wife at one point.

But I do think she regrets it.

I try to see it from her perspective, she was 10 years his jr, a mother of two young children, previously married. Being with Michael Jackson is completely different to being with Danny Keough, someone unfamous. Michael Jackson was the biggest superstar on the planet, and had gone through the worst point of of his life, the allegations. They perhaps should have waited before they wed, because they obviously were scheduling their lives on different paths of time. He wanted kids and Lisa said she would have kids, but that doesn't mean she was evil for not giving him an offspring within the two years they were wed. Their relationship was new and fresh and she already being a mother, she probably just wanted to be his wife for a while. She was 26 for and newly in love. Marriage is meant to be forever... So I don't stand with the fans who have the pitchforks up in the air saying 'SHE PROMISED HIM CHILDREN'. As if they had been married for 42 years. They were married a few months. I can't say it's ok that Michael ended up telling her he had Debbie on stand by either, despite his heart yearning for kids. It was horrible of him to say that, no matter how desperate he was. That's not something you say to your wife, to the woman you love, or who loves you. Slap on the wrist there for MJ.

The whole Debbie scenario, how she was offering her womb, knowing he was already wed. I can't blame that tearing Lisa apart. Lisa said when the marriage fell apart that it broke her completely, and she had to be swept off of the floor, panic attacks and depression. I do believe her... her comments in the press prove that she obvious felt something. If she was nonchalant, she would just say no comment. But she always bit the hook... It was frustrating that she would just act so uninterested, yet not uninterested enough to say something. However, she never insinuated he was guilty, she always maintained the marriage was real for her, she just didn't know if it was real for him... and that's natural and pretty understandable if his alleged behaviours are anything to go by. When you break up with someone, when it goes distant, you do wonder if it was real on the other persons behalf. Alot of things in the marriage concerned her and made her feel shut out. What was the hospital scenario when she was turned away by the doctors? I remember hearing about that, and that pissed her off. Obviously Michael had leechy doctors and Lisa saw that. But another reason why she probably wondered if the relationship was real was the 7 weeks on vacation with the Cascio's or whatever it was, then getting told she has to be at the VMA's you're bound to think... does he care?

It wasn't all Michael's fault though, Lisa said he couldn't deal with her ex husband always being in the picture. He was the father of her children and that could be another reason why he was desperate to have kids with her asap.

Despite it all, I don't think she's using MJ for gain, honestly, I don't. She's Elvis's daughter for crying out loud, she doesn't have anything to gain. She went on Oprah to talk about the marriage to Michael, two years or so before her CD was released because she knew every reporter would be asking her about him, so she gave Oprah the scoop... and she did very well on that I think. It painted the picture so clearly, atleast I think so.

Death changes alot, and she has lost her father, and Michael's death is the same magnitude, the same sort of terrible premature ending... to act like it would not effect her is silly. He was her husband at one point, she compared her feelings to him to the feelings she had for her dad. That isn't phony to me. I think she really loved Michael Jackson, that's why she was so bitter about him, and now so heartbroken.

Or maybe I'm just a romantic? I can just picture Mj's ghost in her home caressing her shoulders. When he's not with me obviously.

Good post. And lets not forget, even years after they divorced she still travelled around the world to meet up with him.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I find it odd that Lisa Marie would have kids with husband #1, not have kids with MJ, then have a child with husband #4. Personally, I think it's because it's to not bring any brown babies into the Pressley family, for they think that would tarnish his legacy and bloodline? Yall do know that Priscilla Pressley couldn't stand Michael, but tolerated him, right? [Edited 11/11/15 8:45am]

Geez. When she was with Michael, she already had 2 little kids, when she was with husband #4 10 years later, her little kids where teenagers. So really, your assumption is bs.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

To support my belief on it, there's an interview with Elvis stepbrother and he said that he would not be pleased with their union because he doesn't condone interracial relationships.

Clearly Lisa Marie is not Elvis' stepbrother.

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Beautifulstarr123 said:

I find it odd that Lisa Marie would have kids with husband #1, not have kids with MJ, then have a child with husband #4. Personally, I think it's because it's to not bring any brown babies into the Pressley family, for they think that would tarnish his legacy and bloodline? Yall do know that Priscilla Pressley couldn't stand Michael, but tolerated him, right? [Edited 11/11/15 8:45am]

Geez. When she was with Michael, she already had 2 little kids, when she was with husband #4 10 years later, her little kids where teenagers. So really, your assumption is bs.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

To support my belief on it, there's an interview with Elvis stepbrother and he said that he would not be pleased with their union because he doesn't condone interracial relationships.

Clearly Lisa Marie is not Elvis' stepbrother.

[Edited 11/11/15 11:47am]

^^^Stop making up your own stories.

PatrickS77 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

I find it odd that Lisa Marie would have kids with husband #1, not have kids with MJ, then have a child with husband #4. Personally, I think it's because it's to not bring any brown babies into the Pressley family, for they think that would tarnish his legacy and bloodline? Yall do know that Priscilla Pressley couldn't stand Michael, but tolerated him, right? [Edited 11/11/15 8:45am]

AGREE.

People want to sit up here and act like the Presleys are not racist. Priscilla Presley is racist as hell. Lisa Marie was not having no bi-racial kids...period. I firmly believe she never intended on having kids with Michael. People can sit here and talk b.s. all they want but thats the real. ALSO, its not like Lisa was in la la land before the marriage and MJ pressured her to have kids. Lisa AGREED BEFORE the marriage that she wanted kids as well. So all this MJ was pressuring her and manipulating her to have kids is null and void when that was something that was they both MUTUALLY agreed upon before the marriage. Its obvious she misled Michael and lied about it. And before someone insists Lisa changed her mind on the Rabbi tapes Michael says "Lisa did not want kids" "And she promised before marriage that would be the very first thing we did" Again, MJ had fault too but some ya'll making it seem as though Lisa was this naive daizel in distress and that is FAR from the truth.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

PatrickS77 said:

^^^Stop making up your own stories.

It's a documented souce, but your delusional self wouldn't go there, so why bother

It is well documented that they are racist. Priscilla never liked MJ. She didn't even like MJ before he married Lisa.

[Edited 11/11/15 12:44pm]

And again. Lisa Marie is not her mother. It was Lisa Marie that married Michael, not Priscilla.