That album really is a once in a lifetime success story. I'm sure MJ, even as big as he dreamt, never imagined "Thriller" would be that big and have the lasting power that it continues to have.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Michael Jackson’s Thriller is 1st Album Certified 30X Platinum https://t.co/JDw3PEcj8l Now Janet can carry on with her legacy..

Kinda funny when you think that her US total is 26 mio (even though that number is quite old) and yet some fans think she is bigger than Michael.

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PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

DonRants said:

DonRants said:

homesquid said:

ummmmm Janet, yes.

Very true. Good call.By the time Latoya was doing the crazy stuff such as Playboy, it was kinda creepy especially her Spengali husband.

Janet on the other had our attention from "Different Strokes" up to around Velvet Rope.

JERMAINE DUPRI!!!

alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said:

Kinda funny when you think that her US total is 26 mio (even though that number is quite old) and yet some fans think she is bigger than Michael.

[Edited 12/17/15 1:48am]

The consistency of top 5 singles and high charting debuts over a long time period is the reason, all while being his sister and being successful alongside her peers. Both are successful for different reasons and if you ask me, both speak to different generations. Yes he is more internationally recognized though she is known too, but she speaks to many through her music from a female perspective that no male can, not even him though he's sang about serious topics or they've borrowed from each other sometimes [Edited 12/17/15 15:09pm]

Yes, I agree. However, sometimes her fans overrate her accomplishments. She has never sold more than MJ, NEVER. Hell, Janet hasn't even topped Madonna or Whitney's sells so how could she sell more than the greatest black solo act of all time? She is successful, yes but again her fans tend to go too far in order to validate her.

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said: The consistency of top 5 singles and high charting debuts over a long time period is the reason, all while being his sister and being successful alongside her peers. Both are successful for different reasons and if you ask me, both speak to different generations. Yes he is more internationally recognized though she is known too, but she speaks to many through her music from a female perspective that no male can, not even him though he's sang about serious topics or they've borrowed from each other sometimes [Edited 12/17/15 15:09pm]

Yes, I agree. However, sometimes her fans overrate her accomplishments. She has never sold more than MJ, NEVER. Hell, Janet hasn't even topped Madonna or Whitney's sells so how could she sell more than the greatest black solo act of all time? She is successful, yes but again her fans tend to go too far in order to validate her.

her fans don't go overboard......

from the late 80s up unto the mid 90s, Janet's albums sales ran more consistently than Michael's did domestically, her sales didn't taper off.....the Janet LP sold more copies worldwide than the Dangerous LP did, but that goes unnoticed

Dangerous, although a great album, ran as low as 125th on the Billboard top 100 album charge by the spring of 1992, even with all those star celebrities performing in the video JAM.......

by the Janet LP selling what it did, that was the reason Michael had her perform on the song/video for Scream when History debuted during the summer of 1995, at that point in their careers, not the full career, but at that very moment, Janet's star was her brother's equal and her standing in America ws stronger

when she dropped that Rhythm Nation LP, that album ran strong for 2 years straight, as far as the quality of music, video, and message, she blew out the competition, so much so, her brother Michael danced to her music while practicing dance steps during his Bad Tour

"her fans don't go overboard......"

Yes. They do. You're the prime example.

"from the late 80s up unto the mid 90s, Janet's albums sales ran more consistently than Michael's did domestically, her sales didn't taper off....."

As did Janet's eventually. Bad and Dangerous pretty much sold the same.

"the Janet LP sold more copies worldwide than the Dangerous LP did, but that goes unnoticed"

Because that's not true. She didn't even outsell him in the US.

"by the Janet LP selling what it did, that was the reason Michael had her perform on the song/video for Scream when History debuted during the summer of 1995, at that point in their careers, not the full career, but at that very moment, Janet's star was her brother's equal and her standing in America ws stronger"

The reason why they did record that duet was never stated. So you're only assuming and making it up, as always. The reason why his standing wasn't as good anymore, most likely were the accusations in '93 and him being dragged through the mud for half a year.

"when she dropped that Rhythm Nation LP, that album ran strong for 2 years straight"

As did Bad, Dangerous and HIStory. On a worldwide level.

"as far as the quality of music, video, and message, she blew out the competition, so much so, her brother Michael danced to her music while practicing dance steps during his Bad Tour"

That's only your opinion. And him dancing to his sister's music, really means nothing, other than that he liked his sister's music.

[Edited 12/18/15 15:20pm]

PatrickS77 said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

DonRants said:

Very true. Good call.By the time Latoya was doing the crazy stuff such as Playboy, it was kinda creepy especially her Spengali husband.

Janet on the other had our attention from "Different Strokes" up to around Velvet Rope.

Lemme tell you something as a straight woman if Janet Jackson and maybe Rebbie from back in the day gave me a chance (shiiud now lol) I'd be delivert screaming I don't like men anymore

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

DonRants said:

Very true. Good call.By the time Latoya was doing the crazy stuff such as Playboy, it was kinda creepy especially her Spengali husband.

Janet on the other had our attention from "Different Strokes" up to around Velvet Rope.

JERMAINE DUPRI!!!

LOL. I saw an interview where Janet said that she did not think she was beautiful until she got involved with Jermaine Dupri. For that alone her relationship with Dupri was a blessing.

And what's with her and Michael. They have millions of people screaming at them, telling them they are beautiful and for some reason they don't believe it. SMH

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Yes, I agree. However, sometimes her fans overrate her accomplishments. She has never sold mo

her fans don't go overboard......

from the late 80s up unto the mid 90s, Janet's albums sales ran more consistently than Michael's did domestically, her sales didn't taper off.....the Janet LP sold more copies worldwide than the Dangerous LP did, but that goes unnoticed

when she dropped that Rhythm Nation LP, that album ran strong for 2 years straight, as far as the quality of music, video, and message, she blew out the competition.

Interesting points Scorp. I definately agree with from the late 80's . I would say the Control album which I think was 1986 to mid-nineties, she was an unstoppable force. She had a pretty damn good decade long run. I am so tired of people comparing MJ to Prince, MJ to Janet etc. Complete nonsense.

I always thought Rhyhm Nation had a big influence on Dangerous, but that often goes unnoticed.Her willingness to talk about race and social injustice while singing strong love songs also. Her quoting Frederick Douglas "No struggle, no progress" in the title track...she was on point....and she was real.

http://www.blackpast.org/1857-frederick-douglass-if-there-no-struggle-there-no-progress

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PatrickS77 said:

"her fans don't go overboard......"

Yes. They do. You're the prime example.

"from the late 80s up unto the mid 90s, Janet's albums sales ran more consistently than Michael's did domestically, her sales didn't taper off....."

As did Janet's eventually. Bad and Dangerous pretty much sold the same.

"the Janet LP sold more copies worldwide than the Dangerous LP did, but that goes unnoticed"

Because that's not true. She didn't even outsell him in the US.

"by the Janet LP selling what it did, that was the reason Michael had her perform on the song/video for Scream when History debuted during the summer of 1995, at that point in their careers, not the full career, but at that very moment, Janet's star was her brother's equal and her standing in America ws stronger"

The reason why they did record that duet was never stated. So you're only assuming and making it up, as always. The reason why his standing wasn't as good anymore, most likely were the accusations in '93 and him being dragged through the mud for half a year.

"when she dropped that Rhythm Nation LP, that album ran strong for 2 years straight"

As did Bad, Dangerous and HIStory. On a worldwide level.

"as far as the quality of music, video, and message, she blew out the competition, so much so, her brother Michael danced to her music while practicing dance steps during his Bad Tour"

That's only your opinion. And him dancing to his sister's music, really means nothing, other than that he liked his sister's music.

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Scorp is not a fan of Michaels. He just stans for the other Jacksons and takes every opportunity that comes to slight Michael in some way

I am not even going to go back in forth with Scrop because his assertions are ridiculous to the point that they are hilarious. Janet has NEVER sold more than Michael at any point in her career (domestically or internationally, NEVER). I would bring receipts to prove it too but I dont want to derail the thread.

I am proud to be both fans of Michael and Janet who are legends that have contributed a lot to the music world and I will just leave it at that. Scrop is trying to derail this thread.....yet again.

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

"her fans don't go overboard......"

Yes. They do. You're the prime example.

"from the late 80s up unto the mid 90s, Janet's albums sales ran more consistently than Michael's did domestically, her sales didn't taper off....."

As did Janet's eventually. Bad and Dangerous pretty much sold the same.

"the Janet LP sold more copies worldwide than the Dangerous LP did, but that goes unnoticed"

Because that's not true. She didn't even outsell him in the US.

"by the Janet LP selling what it did, that was the reason Michael had her perform on the song/video for Scream when History debuted during the summer of 1995, at that point in their careers, not the full career, but at that very moment, Janet's star was her brother's equal and her standing in America ws stronger"

The reason why they did record that duet was never stated. So you're only assuming and making it up, as always. The reason why his standing wasn't as good anymore, most likely were the accusations in '93 and him being dragged through the mud for half a year.

"when she dropped that Rhythm Nation LP, that album ran strong for 2 years straight"

As did Bad, Dangerous and HIStory. On a worldwide level.

"as far as the quality of music, video, and message, she blew out the competition, so much so, her brother Michael danced to her music while practicing dance steps during his Bad Tour"

That's only your opinion. And him dancing to his sister's music, really means nothing, other than that he liked his sister's music.

[Edited 12/18/15 15:20pm]

Scorp is not a fan of Michaels. He just stans for the other Jacksons and takes every opportunity that comes to slight Michael in some way

I am not even going to go back in forth with Scrop because his assertions are ridiculous to the point that they are hilarious. Janet has NEVER sold more than Michael at any point in her career (domestically or internationally, NEVER). I would bring receipts to prove it too but I dont want to derail the thread.

I am proud to be both fans of Michael and Janet who are legends that have contributed a lot to the music world and I will just leave it at that. Scrop is trying to derail this thread.....yet again.

at first i wasn't going to even respond to this

but then I thought, here goes somebody who is trying to insinuate I'm derailing a thread when the fact is the person who's insinuating is the person who derailed it by saying Janet fans go overboard

and then I had to remember that was said by someone who wasn't even in existence during the time to determine if someone is actualy derailing a thread.......

in regards to determining whether or not Janet has outsold Michael at any point of her career,

first things first, it's a known fact by music fans, or I should say r&b music fans up until the mid to late 80s, it was a standard practice of Billboard to misrepresent the actual sales of r&b artists to undermine and eventually destabilize the genre......that's a known fact.....

and now word has come out after all these years, some quarter centry after the fact that Janet's Jackson's album sales were misrepresented by 15-20 million buys AT THE LEAST

in regards to her 3 most successful albums Control, Rhythm Nation, and Janet, it's no telling how many sales of those albums have been misrepresented.....

because I know Rhythm Nation sold more than what was originally confirmed during the time of its original release, that album was released in teh fall of 1989 and ruled up unto the beginning of 1991, and churned out 7 top 5 singles...........there was no other artist on the scene then male or female who had a better album during that time than Rhythm Nation

It was certified during that time that album sold 6 million nationwide, that was waaaaaayyy off, that album sold waaay more than that domestically so no receipt you pull out is going to be correct, those receipts will not work

those albums sold way more than they did and Rhythm Nation and the Janet LP sold more copies in the United States and North America than Bad or Dangerous did

that ain't me downplaying anyone or disrespecting anyone, that's a fact......

for the audience that Janet garnered nationally from 1989-1995, that was the audience that Michael USED to have.....so that means if Im' saying he used to have it, that means at one time he had it.........he no longer had the r&b audience by the time the Bad Tour concluded in the beginning of 1989 and that's why he reposition his career at that point and became an international artist exclusively, and that focus reflected what he sold with the Dangerous album nationally which for an artist of his stature, and if i'm saying he was an artist of his stature, that means that I'm saying based on that, his stature was overall greater than Janet's, ALL of his albums after Thriller should have sold more than what they did

and the Janet LP right along with Rhythm Nation had more consistent chart presence on Billboard than the Dangerous or History LP's did.........those are unequivocal facts......when u are hating, that means you are just saying stuff just for the sake of talking...her chart positions for those albums did not fluctuate during those years

I've said a thousand times that the Dangerous album was an excellent record and should have received more critical acclaim than it did and sold more than it did but his false image that he began projecting in 1987 undermined all those efforts where Bad, Dangerous, HIstory, and Invincible and what they wound up selling was directly affected by it, and this is why by the end of 1992, he started making more public appearances and that's why in the beginning in 1993, he did the interview w/Oprah........to boost record sales

and when Dangerous completed its initial run from 1991-1993, in the back of my mind, especially after Janet achieved what she did w/the Janet LP, it was only a matter of time before MJ would asked Janet to collaborate with him because as he would beginn promoting that History album, he tried everything he could to regain that audience he knew he had lost, that's why he not only collaborated with Janet, but featured other contemporary artists of that time on many of the singles on that album: Boyz II Men, Notorius BIG, Shaquille Oneal...and had R.Kelly produce his song You Are Not Alone, had Rene Moore of Rene and Angela of the 80s to produce for him.....

as with Dangerous, he tried to regain the r&b audience with HIstory but the way it was presented, the impression with his current fans at that moment was he was not

and the Invincible album was especially designed to be promoted as an r&b record in the United States for the first two single releases where r&b records when he didn't even promote Thriller that way when it was originally released.......Pop radio didn't even mention Invincible until right before it was released, Urban radio was playing You Rock My World and Butterflies as early as June of 2001

now let's get to this notion of whether I'm a hater or fan of Michael Jackson

I love Mike, always will, his message meant allot in my life coming up and still do to this very day and I play those records today just like I did when they were originally out

the problem is the false image, that's the kicker, the false image is what derailed everything, in every single aspect of his career and livelihood that brought a premature ending to it all where if the false image did not exist, that man would be making high level music to this very day, he would still be around, and we wouldn't have to wonder what the estate is going to do next, having to resort demos of songs he did back in the early 80s, or wouldn't have to rely on doing documentariers about Off The Wall which is more than likely going to be watered down to some degree

I'm not worried about someone hating me for not upholding the false image, I'm not bothered by that one bit, I rather be hated for standing for what's right than be faked liked for upholding something that was never real and caused a tragedy of epic proportions

and whenever I asked the question where in the world where the haters at durign the beginning of MJ's career, I can never get an answer........or why was it that there was never any dissenstion among his fanbase then, no division, no beef then, can never get an answer........

where were the haters at during the years of the very album that has been certified as being the first album in U.S. history to sell 30 million copies domestically, where was the hate then?

I can't recall one instants during that time where fans had one ounce of beef with each other about MJ other than rather who can dance most like him

[Edited 12/19/15 8:41am]

Congratulations to MJ and for Thriller reaching 3XDiamond status in America. Quite an achievement when you consider that Thriller has outsold Bad (lifetime US sales) selling 10+ million as a catalog album.

Hopefully, Bad can reach Diamond status in sales one day.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Though I liked Janet and she's MJ's sister, she reached superstar status of her own merits. However it is unrealistic to say that she's reached to the level of MJ. Poor thang, every time some jounalist or talk show host interviews her, instead of focusing on her and her music, they always bring up MJ. Whether you know it or not, these two were very close, growing up and MJ was very close to growing up, Jermaine too. Says so in his book. [Edited 12/19/15 15:27pm] [Edited 12/19/15 17:22pm]

Thanks, well said!

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

Adorecream said:

Adorecream said:

Exactly, Janet has talent and presence, but music, early stuff at least sounds a lot like female Michael. Also the big point, is that she never has been or ever will be the global icon that Michael was and still is. Few people in the world have not heard of Michael Jackson. I mean I am a bigger fan of Prince, but even I know the weight of the name Michael Jackson. Yes Dangerous did flop into the lower parts of the charts at times. But this was between major singles. Some of tne later singles eere not that big as hits and I think it was at 129 between In the closet and Jam. I and many fans would consider Dangerous his best album and the zenith of his creativity (Bad a close 2nd). Just because the drones in chartland did not see that, does not mean it was not a great album. Dangerous is a great album and to me better than most Prince albums. Michael had tight quality control on his albums except Invincible. Something Prince never really had. Janet,s albums have a lot of filler, just like most Prince albums. There is no filler on any MJ products at all from Off the wall up to Blood on the dance floor. Also the Dangerous did very well overseas and it had more hits hitting higher in Asia, Europe, UK, Australia and New Zealand.

It's only natural that MJ's albums had less fillers since there were 4-5 years between each album from Bad to Dangerous to HIStory.

I don't count Blood on the Dance Floor since it was a remix album that should have never seen the light of day.

But given the attention put into Jackson's post Thriller albums, it was expected that each one would sell at least 10 million units domestically. To this day, Bad is still stuck at 9 million in US sales.

Adorecream said:

Exactly, Janet has talent and presence, but music, early stuff at least sounds a lot like female Michael. Also the big point, is that she never has been or ever will be the global icon that Michael was and still is. Few people in the world have not heard of Michael Jackson. I mean I am a bigger fan of Prince, but even I know the weight of the name Michael Jackson. Yes Dangerous did flop into the lower parts of the charts at times. But this was between major singles. Some of tne later singles eere not that big as hits and I think it was at 129 between In the closet and Jam. I and many fans would consider Dangerous his best album and the zenith of his creativity (Bad a close 2nd). Just because the drones in chartland did not see that, does not mean it was not a great album. Dangerous is a great album and to me better than most Prince albums. Michael had tight quality control on his albums except Invincible. Something Prince never really had. Janet,s albums have a lot of filler, just like most Prince albums. There is no filler on any MJ products at all from Off the wall up to Blood on the dance floor. Also the Dangerous did very well overseas and it had more hits hitting higher in Asia, Europe, UK, Australia and New Zealand.

Well said excellent post Outside of one album, MJ has a solid disography. Sade and countless others spend decades in between albums. I actually think if Prince spent time on his albums instead of just producing music back to back over a string of years the quality of his efforts would have been better. Janet actually took time off to work on her albums but in the 00's the quality of her music drastically went down.