mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

U are correct..............has a single person said otherwise?

Agree, no one in here as denied that point.

But it oddly keeps getting repeated and I think its to shade Michael's talent and abilities.

All some said was Michael's talent was unique and special compared to his siblings which is true. I don't see how saying that takes away from the fact that the Jackson 5 set the foundation for MJ (which no one in this thread denied.)

If Michael NEVER got a record deal, his talent and personality still would have been special because God gave him a unique gift. It just so happens he was blessed and his gift touched many people around the world. You dont have to be famous to be blessed with god given talent or gifts. Famous or not, MJ was still a rare talent.

nobody is trying to shade mj, thats ridiculous. the reason this has been repeated is because it was implied that the brothers were basically non factors, someone insinuated the only reason motown signed them was because of mike. mike's talents are without question but he was not a seperate entity from his brothers when they were the jackson 5, matter fact jermaine was at one point the most popular member of the group.why do mj fans act like giving any other member of the family props is somehow a slight to him?nobody said anything about his god given talent, but some of you really believe without his daddy and his brothers he would have still rose to the height of fame he achieved as if that whole part of his life meant nothing.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

Agree, no one in here as denied that point.

But it oddly keeps getting repeated and I think its to shade Michael's talent and abilities.

All some said was Michael's talent was unique and special compared to his siblings which is true. I don't see how saying that takes away from the fact that the Jackson 5 set the foundation for MJ (which no one in this thread denied.)

If Michael NEVER got a record deal, his talent and personality still would have been special because God gave him a unique gift. It just so happens he was blessed and his gift touched many people around the world. You dont have to be famous to be blessed with god given talent or gifts. Famous or not, MJ was still a rare talent.

nobody is trying to shade mj, thats ridiculous. the reason this has been repeated is because it was implied that the brothers were basically non factors, someone insinuated the only reason motown signed them was because of mike. mike's talents are without question but he was not a seperate entity from his brothers when they were the jackson 5, matter fact jermaine was at one point the most popular member of the group.why do mj fans act like giving any other member of the family props is somehow a slight to him?nobody said anything about his god given talent, but some of you really believe without his daddy and his brothers he would have still rose to the height of fame he achieved as if that whole part of his life meant nothing.

Have you been reading this thread? I am confused by this post.

Seriously, all jokes aside.

I have gave all the members their props in the family, hell including La Toya. I have said throughout this thread all the Jacksons were talented in their own way.

Me saying that MJ was the most talented takes nothing away from the other members and I never said that MJ made it without the Jackson 5 so I am not sure why you are hung up on that. Nobody has insinuated that in this thread.

Insisting MJ was the main star of the Jackson 5 takes nothing away from the other members. It doesn't mean they weren't talented or wasn't liked but it was it is.

Why are you so mad about that poster's opinion that you misread?

That poster who posted his opinions is actually a big Prince fan so I am not sure why you are generalizing all MJ fans. You seem mad....why I don't know

The reason why I said your repetitive posts seem shady to mj because if you read through out this thread literally NO ONE has said MJ made it big without the Jackson 5 so your repetitive posts seem like you are mad that some people think mj was the star of the jackson 5, it seems shady...

lowkey said:

Scorp said:

lowkey said:

nobody is trying to shade mj, thats ridiculous. the reason this has been repeated is because it was implied that the brothers were basically non factors, someone insinuated the only reason motown signed them was because of mike. mike's talents are without question but he was not a seperate entity from his brothers when they were the jackson 5, matter fact jermaine was at one point the most popular member of the group.why do mj fans act like giving any other member of the family props is somehow a slight to him?nobody said anything about his god given talent, but some of you really believe without his daddy and his brothers he would have still rose to the height of fame he achieved as if that whole part of his life meant nothing.

Exactly. And the history of the situation is being rewritten as we speak

The history is what it is and can't be changed.

What I find interesting is that when I watch the Jackson men perform without Mike, I honestly see what looks like marginal if not down right amateur performers. I simply don't understand how u can be in any business this long and look like an amateur. The only one I'd give a professional grade to is guitar player.

^ They are a lil older now but they actually were talented performers in their prime. If you watch the Jackson variety shows, Triumph and Victory tours you can see that all the brothers were talented in their own way. Marlon was a great dancer (I would say he is the third best dancer in the family) and so was Jackie. Jermaine and Tito were good musicians and Randy was good at adding theatrics and personality on stage.

However, since they haven't been in show business in so long, they kinda look like amateurs and a lil rough around the ages but when they were young they definitly knew how to put on a show.

mjscarousal said:

^ They are a lil older now but they actually were talented performers in their prime. If you watch the Jackson variety shows, Triumph and Victory tours you can see that all the brothers were talented in their own way. Marlon was a great dancer (I would say he is the third best dancer in the family) and so was Jackie. Jermaine and Tito were good musicians and Randy was good at adding theatrics and personality on stage.

However, since they haven't been in show business in so long, they kinda look like amateurs and a lil rough around the ages but when they were young they definitly knew how to put on a show.

I've seen these guys live from the front row (off and on) since 1976.

Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

^ They are a lil older now but they actually were talented performers in their prime. If you watch the Jackson variety shows, Triumph and Victory tours you can see that all the brothers were talented in their own way. Marlon was a great dancer (I would say he is the third best dancer in the family) and so was Jackie. Jermaine and Tito were good musicians and Randy was good at adding theatrics and personality on stage.

However, since they haven't been in show business in so long, they kinda look like amateurs and a lil rough around the ages but when they were young they definitly knew how to put on a show.

I've seen these guys live from the front row (off and on) since 1976.

From your perspective, what made them look like amateurs?

Cinny said:

Graycap23 said:

I've seen these guys live from the front row (off and on) since 1976.

From your perspective, what made them look like amateurs?

Ive seen them live three times and I don't know what he's talking about either.

Cinny said:

Graycap23 said:

I've seen these guys live from the front row (off and on) since 1976.

From your perspective, what made them look like amateurs?

Honestly it probably boils down 2 taste. They have never really impressed me live.

Graycap23 said:

Scorp said:

lowkey said: Exactly. And the history of the situation is being rewritten as we speak

The history is what it is and can't be changed.

What I find interesting is that when I watch the Jackson men perform without Mike, I honestly see what looks like marginal if not down right amateur performers. I simply don't understand how u can be in any business this long and look like an amateur. The only one I'd give a professional grade to is guitar player.

those men are in their 60s right now, what does a person expect them to do, turn cartwheels on stage.....

BUT since u brought that up.......let's travel back to those MSG concerts in 2001

those same men now in their 60s where in their 50s, mid 50s and when NSYNC came on teh stage, they could not keep up w/those 50 year old men during that DANCING MACHINE performance, the brothers were dancing w/more energy than the other guys in their 20s, Marlon grooving all over the place w/out breaking stride

oh but waid, let's go to their next selection when the brothers performed SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND....

at 3:22, Marlon drops down on the stage and lifts himself up in one single swoop, that was a man in his 40s at the time who did that

and once again, this lets me know when a person swears they know Michael Jackson, and thinks he did it by himself, or that the brothers were hanger ons, that they probably don't really know

Marlon Jackson used to work with Michael in formulating the groups dance routines during the late 70s and during that Triumph Tour, which was the greatest live performances Michael Jackson ever gave in concert......

and just in case doubters may not believe this to be the case......................

5:09-5:45

Oh, on Marlon's solo album (that went double platinum), he played the majority of the instruments for it

[Edited 9/24/15 18:45pm]

[Edited 9/24/15 18:47pm]

Its has ONLY been one person that said the Jacksons were nothing without Michael in this thread and then he clarified what he was referring too. This notion has not been said through out this thread. So these redundant repetitive posts are totally unnessesary at this point. We GET IT MJ had his foundation with the Jackson 5 but that still doesn't change the fact that Michael was a rare talent. His father did not teach him how to sing and dance. Michael was blessed with his talents from God. I agree his father helped him achieve a platform for his talents to reach many people but he was blessed with his unique charisma, personality and talents which I personally feel people are actually minimizing that fact by constantly bringing up Joe and the brothers....

[Edited 9/24/15 19:13pm]

mjscarousal said:

Its has ONLY been one person that said the Jacksons were nothing without Michael in this thread and then he clarified what he was referring too. This notion has not been said through out this thread. So these redundant repetitive posts are totally unnessesary at this point. We GET IT MJ had his foundation with the Jackson 5 but that still doesn't change the fact that Michael was a rare talent. His father did not teach him how to sing and dance. Michael was blessed with his talents from God. I agree his father helped him achieve a platform for his talents to reach many people but he was blessed with his unique charisma, personality and talents which I personally feel people are actually minimizing that fact by constantly bringing up Joe and the brothers....

[Edited 9/24/15 19:13pm]

MJ'S talent was praised all the way to the high heavens during Thriller

mjscarousal said:

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said:

Its has ONLY been one person that said the Jacksons were nothing without Michael in this thread and then he clarified what he was referring too. This notion has not been said through out this thread. So these redundant repetitive posts are totally unnessesary at this point. We GET IT MJ had his foundation with the Jackson 5 but that still doesn't change the fact that Michael was a rare talent. His father did not teach him how to sing and dance. Michael was blessed with his talents from God. I agree his father helped him achieve a platform for his talents to reach many people but he was blessed with his unique charisma, personality and talents which I personally feel people are actually minimizing that fact by constantly bringing up Joe and the brothers....

[Edited 9/24/15 19:13pm]

Yet you keep the redundancy going by saying the same thing you've said over again.

No I have not. YOU and others are the one that is keeping this redundancy going. I have talked about a lot of other things and points in this thread. However, you and others have oddly continued to repeat the same arguements about the brothers and Joe in order to slight Michael. It's odd because majority of the people in this thread have given the brothers their acknowledgements and credit in helping Michael's career as well as their talents.

I am responding to redundant posts from posters that don't think their posts are redundant and shady. I don't think its fair to exaggerate and insist people have been slighting the other brothers in this thread when that most certainly has not been going on. It has literally been only one person that said that comment that you implied alot of other posters said.

Scorp said:

Graycap23 said:

The history is what it is and can't be changed.

What I find interesting is that when I watch the Jackson men perform without Mike, I honestly see what looks like marginal if not down right amateur performers. I simply don't understand how u can be in any business this long and look like an amateur. The only one I'd give a professional grade to is guitar player.

those men are in their 60s right now, what does a person expect them to do, turn cartwheels on stage.....

BUT since u brought that up.......let's travel back to those MSG concerts in 2001

those same men now in their 60s where in their 50s, mid 50s and when NSYNC came on teh stage, they could not keep up w/those 50 year old men during that DANCING MACHINE performance, the brothers were dancing w/more energy than the other guys in their 20s, Marlon grooving all over the place w/out breaking stride

oh but waid, let's go to their next selection when the brothers performed SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND....

at 3:22, Marlon drops down on the stage and lifts himself up in one single swoop, that was a man in his 40s at the time who did that

and once again, this lets me know when a person swears they know Michael Jackson, and thinks he did it by himself, or that the brothers were hanger ons, that they probably don't really know

Marlon Jackson used to work with Michael in formulating the groups dance routines during the late 70s and during that Triumph Tour, which was the greatest live performances Michael Jackson ever gave in concert......

and just in case doubters may not believe this to be the case......................

5:09-5:45

Oh, on Marlon's solo album (that went double platinum), he played the majority of the instruments for it

[Edited 9/24/15 18:45pm]

[Edited 9/24/15 18:47pm]

Lol.....all these videos do..................is prove my point.

Scorp said:

Graycap23 said:

The history is what it is and can't be changed.

What I find interesting is that when I watch the Jackson men perform without Mike, I honestly see what looks like marginal if not down right amateur performers. I simply don't understand how u can be in any business this long and look like an amateur. The only one I'd give a professional grade to is guitar player.

those men are in their 60s right now, what does a person expect them to do, turn cartwheels on stage.....

BUT since u brought that up.......let's travel back to those MSG concerts in 2001

those same men now in their 60s where in their 50s, mid 50s and when NSYNC came on teh stage, they could not keep up w/those 50 year old men during that DANCING MACHINE performance, the brothers were dancing w/more energy than the other guys in their 20s, Marlon grooving all over the place w/out breaking stride

oh but waid, let's go to their next selection when the brothers performed SHAKE YOUR BODY DOWN TO THE GROUND....

at 3:22, Marlon drops down on the stage and lifts himself up in one single swoop, that was a man in his 40s at the time who did that

and once again, this lets me know when a person swears they know Michael Jackson, and thinks he did it by himself, or that the brothers were hanger ons, that they probably don't really know

Marlon Jackson used to work with Michael in formulating the groups dance routines during the late 70s and during that Triumph Tour, which was the greatest live performances Michael Jackson ever gave in concert......

and just in case doubters may not believe this to be the case......................

5:09-5:45

Oh, on Marlon's solo album (that went double platinum), he played the majority of the instruments for it

[Edited 9/24/15 18:45pm]

[Edited 9/24/15 18:47pm]

Exactly what I was remembering, thanks for sharing! also agree that Marlon is one of the best dancers in the family.

They held their own well at their comeback tour few years ago though michael was missed. Very on point with their talent

alphastreet said:

Michael was the genius. He didn't need them.

mjscarousal said:

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said: Yet you keep the redundancy going by saying the same thing you've said over again.

No I have not. YOU and others are the one that is keeping this redundancy going. I have talked about a lot of other things and points in this thread. However, you and others have oddly continued to repeat the same arguements about the brothers and Joe in order to slight Michael. It's odd because majority of the people in this thread have given the brothers their acknowledgements and credit in helping Michael's career as well as their talents.

I am responding to redundant posts from posters that don't think their posts are redundant and shady. I don't think its fair to exaggerate and insist people have been slighting the other brothers in this thread when that most certainly has not been going on. It has literally been only one person that said that comment that you implied alot of other posters said.

I doubt that seriously. You're reading into it wrong. I have more MJ product than Jermaine so

that can't be true. I haven't sorted through the whole thread as I don't have such time but there

were a few posts that did seem to imply the other brothers weren't talented. No harm. No foul.

[Edited 9/25/15 10:28am]

lowkey said:

Scorp said:

jermaine and the rest of the brothers would be able to aford to take care of their familys if the king of pop would of handle the j five royalties better. when he died, universal owed the jacksons over 60 million dollars in back royalties. plus the jackson 5 was bigger then half the competion on the charts. they were selling out arenas, had a cartoon, a tv show, their own fanzine, dolls. there is no reason that they should not have a grammy.

CynicKill said:

Scorp said:

Free2BMe said:

phunkdaddy said:

mjscarousal said:

No I have not. YOU and others are the one that is keeping this redundancy going. I have talked about a lot of other things and points in this thread. However, you and others have oddly continued to repeat the same arguements about the brothers and Joe in order to slight Michael. It's odd because majority of the people in this thread have given the brothers their acknowledgements and credit in helping Michael's career as well as their talents.

I am responding to redundant posts from posters that don't think their posts are redundant and shady. I don't think its fair to exaggerate and insist people have been slighting the other brothers in this thread when that most certainly has not been going on. It has literally been only one person that said that comment that you implied alot of other posters said.

I doubt that seriously. You're reading into it wrong. I have more MJ product than Jermaine so

that can't be true. I haven't sorted through the whole thread as I don't have such time but there

were a few posts that did seem to imply the other brothers weren't talented. No harm. No foul.

[Edited 9/25/15 10:28am]

I don't think I am reading into anything (and there have been some shady posts toward MJ). There literally was only one person that made that comment and one other person felt that MJ could have made it without the Jackson 5. I am not really seeing where you felt a lot of people were slighting the other brothers for there to be so many redundant posts talking about the same thing. For most part, everyone has agreed the Jackson 5 set the foundation for Michael, no harm no foul...

Diana Ross NEVER won a Grammy either... I also like how the beautiful, talented Janet's highly unexpected successful so far comeback. Has her thumbing her nose up @ The Grammy's by not submitting her fourthcoming blockbuster album "Unbreakable" by the Grammy deadline. So she won't be considered for one after they THROW her under the bus,after that OVERRATED nipple slippage.....

[Edited 9/26/15 16:19pm]

KCOOLMUZIQ said: