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Reply #240 posted 09/28/15 6:24pm

Marrk

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

What's goin on in here?

The Jacksons are still pissed they didn't get a grammy. They most certainly should have for 'Shake your body (down to the ground)' and Scorp now works for the Saudi Arabian tourist board, and I don't... Something about Janet too. In the wrong thread. Where's the Janet sticky? Again? where is it? There'll be a flood of Janet threads in a few days. Watch. It'll be unbearable.

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Reply #241 posted 09/28/15 6:33pm

babynoz

Lawd....

Real talk, peeps better get back on topic or they'll lock this thread and refer everybody to the sticky of doom. tombstone



edit....I certainly think they deserved a grammy. I know that nobody's automatically entitled to anything, but still.

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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #242 posted 09/28/15 6:54pm

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Reply #243 posted 09/28/15 7:13pm

Scorp

Marrk said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


What's goin on in here?




The Jacksons are still pissed they didn't get a grammy. They most certainly should have for 'Shake your body (down to the ground)' and Scorp now works for the Saudi Arabian tourist board, and I don't... Something about Janet too. In the wrong thread. Where's the Janet sticky? Again? where is it? There'll be a flood of Janet threads in a few days. Watch. It'll be unbearable.



wink




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Whhhaaaaattt
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Reply #244 posted 09/28/15 7:36pm

Scorp

mjscarousal said:

^ But what does someone's age have to do the fact that you are an ex-MJ fan who hates Michael? None of that justifies that your opinions are just that, opinions. Did you bother to read any of the facts that have been posted about the publishing and royalities? Probably not because you do not care about that. You don't care about the facts. You just care about asserting your delusions and hatred for MJ. You can sit here all day long and talk about back in "your day" but the fact of the matter is... you don't like Michael anymore. Your clearly not a fan. I wish you stop perpetuating that dislike on others having the problem when it is really you. People don't have to mold their opinions to your liking. Again, this has nothing to do with upholding lies, someone's age or whatever twisted delusion you think. These are all opinions. The fact that you can't even address the information someone presented that pretty much debunks your claims regarding the Jacksons publishing is sad. Are you that blinded by your hatred for Michael Jackson that you can not maturely admit when you clearly have been misinformed?

I'm a start w/point A before getting to point B..........

besides your miscalculation that I'm an ex fan of MJ.......ex fans don't buy all of his solo albums the day they were released and adhere to his musical message, a message embraced yesterday, today, forever......the one constant throughout all of this was the message, and listen to that message continuously to this very day.......so let's get that out of the way about this notion of being an ex fan....

the more pertinent question to king of pop fans who attack anyone on site and other sites and online

tell me why in stark detail why fans of MIchael Jackson from 1969-1984, especially during the early stages of his solo career

tell me why there was no discored among his fanbase, which consisted of people from 8-80....tell me why during that whole period that I never ever had a dispute, argument, whatever u wanna call it with another Michael Jackson fan....EVER.......tell me why the conversation was on the very thing that today's following always say the focus should be on...the music..........tell me why there was no beef among MJ fans when any other member of his family comes up in the conversation.....tell me why none of this happened? tell me why there was no static

give me an explanation on all that

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Reply #245 posted 09/30/15 6:27am

Scorp

crickets lol lol

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Reply #246 posted 10/01/15 5:03pm

Free2BMe

Scorp said:



mjscarousal said:


^ But what does someone's age have to do the fact that you are an ex-MJ fan who hates Michael? None of that justifies that your opinions are just that, opinions. Did you bother to read any of the facts that have been posted about the publishing and royalities? Probably not because you do not care about that. You don't care about the facts. You just care about asserting your delusions and hatred for MJ. You can sit here all day long and talk about back in "your day" but the fact of the matter is... you don't like Michael anymore. Your clearly not a fan. I wish you stop perpetuating that dislike on others having the problem when it is really you. People don't have to mold their opinions to your liking. Again, this has nothing to do with upholding lies, someone's age or whatever twisted delusion you think. These are all opinions. The fact that you can't even address the information someone presented that pretty much debunks your claims regarding the Jacksons publishing is sad. Are you that blinded by your hatred for Michael Jackson that you can not maturely admit when you clearly have been misinformed?


P

My question is why the hell are you acting as if Michael's music only covered 1969-1984? Michael released so much music after Thriller, yet YOU continue to be stuck in that era. That is the problem, it is people like you and the media who wouldn't allow Michael to move on. Every damn time that he released an album, it was considered a failure by the media if it didn't sell as much as Thriller. Every time that released an album, his life was reviewed instead of the album. NO ONE ElSE in the industry was treated like that. Yet, Michael never gave up and continue to release his music, even when every obstacle, that no one else has EVER faced, tried to block and destroy him? IMO, you are worst than a non-fan because you do everything that you can to TRY and re-write history. The problem is that there are too many fans who can dispute your non-sense. Only a naive and weak-minded person would fall for your veiled "fandom".






I'm a start w/point A before getting to point B.....



besides your miscalculation that I'm an ex fan of MJ.....ex fans don't buy all of his solo albums the day they were released and adhere to his musical message, a message embraced yesterday, today, forever.....the one constant throughout all of this was the message, and listen to that message continuously to this very day.....so let's get that out of the way about this notion of being an ex fan....



the more pertinent question to king of pop fans who attack anyone on site and other sites and online



tell me why in stark detail why fans of MIchael Jackson from 1969-1984, especially during the early stages of his solo career



tell me why there was no discored among his fanbase, which consisted of people from 8-80....tell me why during that whole period that I never ever had a dispute, argument, whatever u wanna call it with another Michael Jackson fan....EVER.....tell me why the conversation was on the very thing that today's following always say the focus should be on...the music.....tell me why there was no beef among MJ fans when any other member of his family comes up in the conversation.....tell me why none of this happened? tell me why there was no static



give me an explanation on all that

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Reply #247 posted 10/01/15 6:35pm

Scorp

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:



mjscarousal said:


^ But what does someone's age have to do the fact that you are an ex-MJ fan who hates Michael? None of that justifies that your opinions are just that, opinions. Did you bother to read any of the facts that have been posted about the publishing and royalities? Probably not because you do not care about that. You don't care about the facts. You just care about asserting your delusions and hatred for MJ. You can sit here all day long and talk about back in "your day" but the fact of the matter is... you don't like Michael anymore. Your clearly not a fan. I wish you stop perpetuating that dislike on others having the problem when it is really you. People don't have to mold their opinions to your liking. Again, this has nothing to do with upholding lies, someone's age or whatever twisted delusion you think. These are all opinions. The fact that you can't even address the information someone presented that pretty much debunks your claims regarding the Jacksons publishing is sad. Are you that blinded by your hatred for Michael Jackson that you can not maturely admit when you clearly have been misinformed?


P

My question is why the hell are you acting as if Michael's music only covered 1969-1984? Michael released so much music after Thriller, yet YOU continue to be stuck in that era. That is the problem, it is people like you and the media who wouldn't allow Michael to move on. Every damn time that he released an album, it was considered a failure by the media if it didn't sell as much as Thriller. Every time that released an album, his life was reviewed instead of the album. NO ONE ElSE in the industry was treated like that. Yet, Michael never gave up and continue to release his music, even when every obstacle, that no one else has EVER faced, tried to block and destroy him? IMO, you are worst than a non-fan because you do everything that you can to TRY and re-write history. The problem is that there are too many fans who can dispute your non-sense. Only a naive and weak-minded person would fall for your veiled "fandom".






I'm a start w/point A before getting to point B.....



besides your miscalculation that I'm an ex fan of MJ.....ex fans don't buy all of his solo albums the day they were released and adhere to his musical message, a message embraced yesterday, today, forever.....the one constant throughout all of this was the message, and listen to that message continuously to this very day.....so let's get that out of the way about this notion of being an ex fan....



the more pertinent question to king of pop fans who attack anyone on site and other sites and online



tell me why in stark detail why fans of MIchael Jackson from 1969-1984, especially during the early stages of his solo career



tell me why there was no discored among his fanbase, which consisted of people from 8-80....tell me why during that whole period that I never ever had a dispute, argument, whatever u wanna call it with another Michael Jackson fan....EVER.....tell me why the conversation was on the very thing that today's following always say the focus should be on...the music.....tell me why there was no beef among MJ fans when any other member of his family comes up in the conversation.....tell me why none of this happened? tell me why there was no static



give me an explanation on all that

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This was a panic tantrum post
lol


Ill respond to your post tomorrow

Just a inside tidbit

I never tried to compare any of his albums to the next and always looked forward to each subsequent release after the next

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Reply #248 posted 10/01/15 7:07pm

Free2BMe

mjscarousal said:



Scorp said:


And thats why this entire situation is ao unfortunate because most MJ fans want and choose to believe not realizing and dont want to realize how much they have veen manipulated All this smoke has been polluting the air for over 20 years and needs to be filtered out like yesterday His family are not the people who caused all the troubled he experienced in the latter years On the otherhand, there were a litany of folks outside of them who did When all else fails, its default mode and blame the family [Edited 9/28/15 13:15pm] [Edited 9/28/15 13:18pm]



Scorpio I will never understand what your problem is with Michael. It appears to be deep seeded. You paint yourself as a MJ fan which you probably were but you obviously are not anymore. The truth of the matter is you are an ex- MJ fan and you hate Michael. I just wish you admit that and stop pretending you are a fan when you obviously are an old disgruntle fan. You constatly go out of your way



to throw shade, criticize and to attack him. Nothing MJ has done in his career or personal life is never right to you. You never think any of his siblings or parents have done anything questionable when it comes to anything related to MJ. Its okay if you don't like him but I don't see the point in going on and on with these redundant conspiracy theories like they are "facts". You hate Michael and love Janet and the rest of the other siblings, fine but please stop asserting your conspiracies and assumptions as facts. These are not facts, these are just your opinions. Receipts have been provided to shut down your opinions and even still you will come up with some delusional excuse as to why you think MJ sabataged his brothers and is the root of all evil. I don't care to go back in forth (because I know it will be like talking to a brick wall) but I just wanted to say this much at least.

[Edited 9/28/15 13:32pm]



Carousel, you are correct. Scorp doesn't care about the truth when it comes to Michael. Have you noticed he ignores The facts and continues with HIS fantasy. Seriously, I think that their is something mentally wrong with Scorp. He seems to be obzessed with Michael and acts as if he was a jilted or scorned lover. There is just something not normal about someone continually brings up Thriller as if Michael didn't release anymore albums. Scorp's obsession with Michael has affected
him more than he is admitting.
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Reply #249 posted 10/01/15 7:58pm

MichaelJackson
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I'm not going to speak on somebody else's behalf, but Michael Jackson was as big as you could become around 1983-84. Kids spent the next day talking about his performance at the Motown 25 special or after the debut of Thriller. It was cool to want to emulate his style with Beat It outfits or have friends over to watch The Making of Thriller. Michael Jackson was a household name across America during this time and his face was beloved by people from all walks of life.

What he did to himself, the new chin and another nosejob, turned away a lot of his original fans. His skin became lighter too and no explanation was offered, leading most to conclude that he was rejecting his racial identity. He went from being among the most respected artists in the world to a punchline.

He took a face that America loved and turned it into a face that was racially and sexually ambiguous. That's when the evaluation and criticism of his personality started. When America saw the new Michael Jackson, many fans from 69-84 rejected him. That explains why Bad managed to sell only 6 million copies in America from 1987-89 while Thriller sold about 20 million from 82-84.

While 6 million copies would be fantastic numbers for most acts, it was disappointing for an album that was the followup to the biggest seller of all time. It still hasn't managed to break the 10 million mark today, even after the surge in his album sales when he died and the promotion from Bad 25.

Bad was one of the most anticipated albums in the history of popular music and it delivered, as it was a well-crafted album. Practically every song had the potential to be a hit and the videos were spectacular, showing MJ taking his choreography to new heights.

But instead of receiving respect and admiration, it became uncool to even mention being an MJ fan by 1987. People could not get over his new face and lighter skin. Kids were no longer emulating him by wearing Bad outfits either. His music was no longer the focal point when it came to discussing Michael Jackson.

MJ planting the stories about the Elephant Man or sleeping in an oxygen chamber just added to the perception that he was a weirdo. Whatever he hoped to achieve by selling those stories to the tabloids backfired on him.

This would have happened to any major artist. If their appearance changed so drastically in a mere three years that they were nearly unrecognizable, many fans would lose interest and most of his former African American supporters began to resent him. The teenage girls that adored him during the Thriller Era also lost interest in the new MJ. He lost fans from every major demographic that made him the America's biggest star from 1983-1984.

And while many of us have supported MJ and purchased his albums like Bad, Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible, we are not oblivious to why the general public were more focused on his transformed face and weird persona than on his music, starting with Bad in 1987.

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Reply #250 posted 10/01/15 8:13pm

Scorp

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:



Scorp said:


And thats why this entire situation is ao unfortunate because most MJ fans want and choose to believe not realizing and dont want to realize how much they have veen manipulated All this smoke has been polluting the air for over 20 years and needs to be filtered out like yesterday His family are not the people who caused all the troubled he experienced in the latter years On the otherhand, there were a litany of folks outside of them who did When all else fails, its default mode and blame the family [Edited 9/28/15 13:15pm] [Edited 9/28/15 13:18pm]



Scorpio I will never understand what your problem is with Michael. It appears to be deep seeded. You paint yourself as a MJ fan which you probably were but you obviously are not anymore. The truth of the matter is you are an ex- MJ fan and you hate Michael. I just wish you admit that and stop pretending you are a fan when you obviously are an old disgruntle fan. You constatly go out of your way



to throw shade, criticize and to attack him. Nothing MJ has done in his career or personal life is never right to you. You never think any of his siblings or parents have done anything questionable when it comes to anything related to MJ. Its okay if you don't like him but I don't see the point in going on and on with these redundant conspiracy theories like they are "facts". You hate Michael and love Janet and the rest of the other siblings, fine but please stop asserting your conspiracies and assumptions as facts. These are not facts, these are just your opinions. Receipts have been provided to shut down your opinions and even still you will come up with some delusional excuse as to why you think MJ sabataged his brothers and is the root of all evil. I don't care to go back in forth (because I know it will be like talking to a brick wall) but I just wanted to say this much at least.

[Edited 9/28/15 13:32pm]



Carousel, you are correct. Scorp doesn't care about the truth when it comes to Michael. Have you noticed he ignores The facts and continues with HIS fantasy. Seriously, I think that their is something mentally wrong with Scorp. He seems to be obzessed with Michael and acts as if he was a jilted or scorned lover. There is just something not normal about someone continually brings up Thriller as if Michael didn't release anymore albums. Scorp's obsession with Michael has affected
him more than he is admitting.



Mentally wrong?
lol lol lol


Was that a trick response
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Reply #251 posted 10/01/15 8:25pm

SoulAlive

why is it that threads about the Jacksons become so long and epic? smile Remember a few years ago when the brothers kidnapped Katherine and tried to re-write Michael's will (or something like that)?! That thread went on for days...LMAO.... and now here we are again with yet another long-ass Jacksons thread!! This is hilarious! I guess this thread will last for another month or so evillol

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Reply #252 posted 10/01/15 8:28pm

mjscarousal

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

Scorpio I will never understand what your problem is with Michael. It appears to be deep seeded. You paint yourself as a MJ fan which you probably were but you obviously are not anymore. The truth of the matter is you are an ex- MJ fan and you hate Michael. I just wish you admit that and stop pretending you are a fan when you obviously are an old disgruntle fan. You constatly go out of your way to throw shade, criticize and to attack him. Nothing MJ has done in his career or personal life is never right to you. You never think any of his siblings or parents have done anything questionable when it comes to anything related to MJ. Its okay if you don't like him but I don't see the point in going on and on with these redundant conspiracy theories like they are "facts". You hate Michael and love Janet and the rest of the other siblings, fine but please stop asserting your conspiracies and assumptions as facts. These are not facts, these are just your opinions. Receipts have been provided to shut down your opinions and even still you will come up with some delusional excuse as to why you think MJ sabataged his brothers and is the root of all evil. I don't care to go back in forth (because I know it will be like talking to a brick wall) but I just wanted to say this much at least.

[Edited 9/28/15 13:32pm]

Carousel, you are correct. Scorp doesn't care about the truth when it comes to Michael. Have you noticed he ignores The facts and continues with HIS fantasy. Seriously, I think that their is something mentally wrong with Scorp. He seems to be obzessed with Michael and acts as if he was a jilted or scorned lover. There is just something not normal about someone continually brings up Thriller as if Michael didn't release anymore albums. Scorp's obsession with Michael has affected him more than he is admitting.

It is sad.

Because scorp sounds like someone who use to really like Michael but for some reason is not a fan anymore. I really tried to reason with him to see if he would at least acknowledge the information bboy presented about the royalties and publishing and he doesn't even want to do that. Its almost as if he wants to ignore the facts just to assert his own personal assumptions. It's alright to have your opinions but if someone pointed out facts that pretty much debunk your assumptions why are you still asserting your assumptions as facts? eek I just don't understand it. Just admit when you are misinformed or wrong.

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Reply #253 posted 10/01/15 8:41pm

HAPPYPERSON

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Reply #254 posted 10/01/15 10:08pm

Scorp

MichaelJackson5 said:

I'm not going to speak on somebody else's behalf, but Michael Jackson was as big as you could become around 1983-84. Kids spent the next day talking about his performance at the Motown 25 special or after the debut of Thriller. It was cool to want to emulate his style with Beat It outfits or have friends over to watch The Making of Thriller. Michael Jackson was a household name across America during this time and his face was beloved by people from all walks of life.

What he did to himself, the new chin and another nosejob, turned away a lot of his original fans. His skin became lighter too and no explanation was offered, leading most to conclude that he was rejecting his racial identity. He went from being among the most respected artists in the world to a punchline.

He took a face that America loved and turned it into a face that was racially and sexually ambiguous. That's when the evaluation and criticism of his personality started. When America saw the new Michael Jackson, many fans from 69-84 rejected him. That explains why Bad managed to sell only 6 million copies in America from 1987-89 while Thriller sold about 20 million from 82-84.

While 6 million copies would be fantastic numbers for most acts, it was disappointing for an album that was the followup to the biggest seller of all time. It still hasn't managed to break the 10 million mark today, even after the surge in his album sales when he died and the promotion from Bad 25.

Bad was one of the most anticipated albums in the history of popular music and it delivered, as it was a well-crafted album. Practically every song had the potential to be a hit and the videos were spectacular, showing MJ taking his choreography to new heights.

But instead of receiving respect and admiration, it became uncool to even mention being an MJ fan by 1987. People could not get over his new face and lighter skin. Kids were no longer emulating him by wearing Bad outfits either. His music was no longer the focal point when it came to discussing Michael Jackson.

MJ planting the stories about the Elephant Man or sleeping in an oxygen chamber just added to the perception that he was a weirdo. Whatever he hoped to achieve by selling those stories to the tabloids backfired on him.

This would have happened to any major artist. If their appearance changed so drastically in a mere three years that they were nearly unrecognizable, many fans would lose interest and most of his former African American supporters began to resent him. The teenage girls that adored him during the Thriller Era also lost interest in the new MJ. He lost fans from every major demographic that made him the America's biggest star from 1983-1984.

And while many of us have supported MJ and purchased his albums like Bad, Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible, we are not oblivious to why the general public were more focused on his transformed face and weird persona than on his music, starting with Bad in 1987.

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100% fact of the situation

there are not haters.....there is no enemy

the enemy and the only ememy was the false image that drew Michael Jackson away from his center whereas if the false image never had been presented to him, he would still be present today making the level of music he was accustomed to and these conversations wouldn't exist

what current MJ fans need to do is interview people who they think are haters now and get a first hand account for themselves what went down...that way, they won't think a person posting responses online is a hater

why do current fans think other people are haters?...what is the exact reason for that

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Reply #255 posted 10/01/15 10:22pm

SoulAlive

"I Can't Help It" is quite possibly the best song that Michael ever recorded....it's so damn soulful!! After all these decades,this song still knocks me out!! Wow!!

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Reply #256 posted 10/01/15 10:45pm

CynicKill

yeahthat

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Reply #257 posted 10/02/15 8:04am

Cinny

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Well, Wonder wrote it. lol



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Reply #258 posted 10/04/15 8:36am

steakfinger

Cinny said:

There are cases where the Grammys play catch up and reward them later (ie. Steely Dan).

The difference being that Steely Dan deserve grammys and the Jacksons do not.

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Reply #259 posted 10/04/15 9:43am

CynicKill

One critic stated that The Jackson 5's legacy was already cemented with their first four songs.

I stand by that statement.

Of course they deserved a Grammy, but they were kids, so they were overlooked.

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Reply #260 posted 10/04/15 10:26am

MotownSubdivis
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steakfinger said:



Cinny said:


There are cases where the Grammys play catch up and reward them later (ie. Steely Dan).




The difference being that Steely Dan deserve grammys and the Jacksons do not.

Imagine actually believing this...
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Reply #261 posted 10/04/15 11:26am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Cinny said:

Well, Wonder wrote it. lol



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Wow!

eek

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #262 posted 10/04/15 12:01pm

CynicKill

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Reply #263 posted 10/05/15 6:06am

jackson35

dancing machine ws the biggest song of 1974, yet it was overlook by the grammys

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Reply #264 posted 10/06/15 12:50pm

Cinny

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steakfinger said:

Cinny said:

There are cases where the Grammys play catch up and reward them later (ie. Steely Dan).

The difference being that Steely Dan deserve grammys and the Jacksons do not.

I think if the Jacksons (including Michael) could have recorded a quality reunion album sometime this decade, it could have been recognized. Steely Dan's later efforts were outstanding and deserved acknowledgement, but if the Jacksons never do an album newer than 1989's 2300 Jackson Street, well sorry, there will be no reason for people to look back on their legacy.

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Reply #265 posted 10/06/15 1:49pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #266 posted 10/06/15 4:22pm

MichaelJackson
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At least they got into the Rock n Roll HOF. Duran Duran can't even receive that honor. Take away the 4 straight No 1s the J5 enjoyed and Duran has arguably the stronger discography.
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Reply #267 posted 10/06/15 4:43pm

CynicKill

MichaelJackson5 said:

At least they got into the Rock n Roll HOF. Duran Duran can't even receive that honor. Take away the 4 straight No 1s the J5 enjoyed and Duran has arguably the stronger discography.

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I don't think Duran Duran's discography takes away from J5's at all!

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Reply #268 posted 10/06/15 6:48pm

MichaelJackson
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CynicKill said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

At least they got into the Rock n Roll HOF. Duran Duran can't even receive that honor. Take away the 4 straight No 1s the J5 enjoyed and Duran has arguably the stronger discography.

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I don't think Duran Duran's discography takes away from J5's at all!

Duran had a much bigger influence on MTV's early days than the Jacksons. Obviously, the Victory album didn't have MJ's full involvement and the video for Torture is awful. Comparing discographies without the initial 4 No.1s by the J5 in 1969, it's debatable who had a better discography.

1980s

Year Single Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales thresholds)
Album
UK
[3]
AUS
[4]
FIN
[7]
FRA
[8]
GER
[23]
IRE
[10]
ITA
[11]
NL
[12]
NZ
[13]
SWI
[24]
US
[6]
US Dance
[6]
US Rock
[6]
1981 "Planet Earth" 12 8 1 14 26
Duran Duran
"Careless Memories" 37 60 72
"Girls on Film" 5 11 2 16 4 26 19
"My Own Way" 14 10 14 20 12
Rio
1982 "Hungry Like the Wolf" 5 5 4 4 32 50 4 3 36 1
"The Chauffeur" 2
"Save a Prayer" 2 56 1 2 35
"Rio" 9 60 14 9 36 14 5
1983 "Is There Something I Should Know?" 1 4 2 28 2 29 24 5 7 4 34 3 Non-album single but in USA with reedition of Duran Duran
"Union of the Snake" 3 4 1 8 37 5 22 17 3 3 33 2 Seven and the Ragged Tiger
1984 "New Moon on Monday" 9 48 6 5 28 32 10 4
"The Reflex" 1 4 3 6 8 1 11 1 6 10 1 15 35
"The Wild Boys" 2 3 4 10 1 2 1 3 5 2 2 27 42 Arena
1985 "Save a Prayer" (US Single Version) 27 17 16 Rio
"A View to a Kill" 2 6 6 7 9 2 1 3 13 7 1 42 A View to a Kill (soundtrack)
1986 "Notorious" 7 17 4 12 5 1 6 6 4 2 26
Notorious
1987 "Skin Trade" 22 35 10 10 11 36 39
"Meet El Presidente" 24 10 54 13 16 31 70
1988 "I Don't Want Your Love" 14 23 15 10 31 8 1 11 12 15 4 1 13
Big Thing
"All She Wants Is" 9 74 17 3 28 10 4 44 47 22 1 24
1989 "Do You Believe in Shame?" 30 22 17 7 41 72
"Burning the Ground" 31 23 7 75 23


Decade: Greatest Hits'

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MichaelJackson5 said:

CynicKill said:

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I don't think Duran Duran's discography takes away from J5's at all!

Duran had a much bigger influence on MTV's early days than the Jacksons. Obviously, the Victory album didn't have MJ's full involvement and the video for Torture is awful. Comparing discographies without the initial 4 No.1s by the J5 in 1969, it's debatable who had a better discography.

1980s

Year Single Peak chart positions Certifications
(sales thresholds)
Album
UK
[3]
AUS
[4]
FIN
[7]
FRA
[8]
GER
[23]
IRE
[10]
ITA
[11]
NL
[12]
NZ
[13]
SWI
[24]
US
[6]
US Dance
[6]
US Rock
[6]
1981 "Planet Earth" 12 8 1 14 26
Duran Duran
"Careless Memories" 37 60 72
"Girls on Film" 5 11 2 16 4 26 19
"My Own Way" 14 10 14 20 12
Rio
1982 "Hungry Like the Wolf" 5 5 4 4 32 50 4 3 36 1
"The Chauffeur" 2
"Save a Prayer" 2 56 1 2 35
"Rio" 9 60 14 9 36 14 5
1983 "Is There Something I Should Know?" 1 4 2 28 2 29 24 5 7 4 34 3 Non-album single but in USA with reedition of Duran Duran
"Union of the Snake" 3 4 1 8 37 5 22 17 3 3 33 2 Seven and the Ragged Tiger
1984 "New Moon on Monday" 9 48 6 5 28 32 10 4
"The Reflex" 1 4 3 6 8 1 11 1 6 10 1 15 35
"The Wild Boys" 2 3 4 10 1 2 1 3 5 2 2 27 42 Arena
1985 "Save a Prayer" (US Single Version) 27 17 16 Rio
"A View to a Kill" 2 6 6 7 9 2 1 3 13 7 1 42 A View to a Kill (soundtrack)
1986 "Notorious" 7 17 4 12 5 1 6 6 4 2 26
Notorious
1987 "Skin Trade" 22 35 10 10 11 36 39
"Meet El Presidente" 24 10 54 13 16 31 70
1988 "I Don't Want Your Love" 14 23 15 10 31 8 1 11 12 15 4 1 13
Big Thing
"All She Wants Is" 9 74 17 3 28 10 4 44 47 22 1 24
1989 "Do You Believe in Shame?" 30 22 17 7 41 72
"Burning the Ground" 31 23 7 75 23


Decade: Greatest Hits'

The Chauffeur and Save a Prayer, while not chart hits were very underrated songs. And Duran Duran reinvigorated their sound with Ordinary World and Come Undone in the early 90s. The J5/Jacksons weren't even an entity by then.

Year Single Peak chart positions[ Album
US US R&B UK IRE Aus






1971 "How Funky Is Your Chicken"




"Never Can Say Goodbye" 2 1 33 77 Maybe Tomorrow
"Maybe Tomorrow" 20 3
"Sugar Daddy" 10 3 Greatest Hits
1972 "Little Bitty Pretty One" 13 8 47 Lookin' Through the Windows
"Lookin' Through the Windows" 16 5 9
"Doctor My Eyes" 9
"Corner Of The Sky" 18 9 Skywriter
1973 "Hallelujah Day" 28 10 20 31
"Skywriter" 25 87
"Get It Together" 28 2 G.I.T.: Get It Together
"Reflections"




"I Can't Quit Your Love"




Skywriter
1974 "Dancing Machine" 2 1 53 Dancing Machine
"The Boogie Man"[11] 58 Skywriter
"Whatever You Got, I Want" 38 3 Dancing Machine
"Life of the Party"
"What You Don't Know"




"I Am Love" 15 5
1975 "Forever Came Today" 60 6 Moving Violation
"All I Do Is Think of You" 50

"—" denotes releases that did not chart

Epic/CBS releases (The Jacksons)

Year Single Peak chart positions[3][4] Album
US US R&B UK IRE AUS
1976 "Enjoy Yourself" 6 2 42 The Jacksons
1977 "Show You the Way to Go" 28 6 1 5
"Dreamer" 22
"Goin' Places" 52 8 26 13 Goin' Places
"Even Though You're Gone" 31
1978 "Different Kind of Lady"
"Music's Taking Over"
"Find Me a Girl" 38
"Blame It on the Boogie" 54 3 8 15 4 Destiny
1979 "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)" 7 3 4 9 59
"Destiny" 39
1980 "Lovely One" 12 2 29 17 Triumph
"This Place Hotel" (a.k.a. "Heartbreak Hotel") 22 2 44
1981 "Can You Feel It" 77 30 6 12 10
"Walk Right Now" 73 50 7 16
"Time Waits for No One"
"Things I Do for You" (live) The Jacksons Live!
1984 "State of Shock" (with Mick Jagger) 3 4 14 8 10 Victory
"Torture" 17 12 26 13 32
"Body" 47 39
"Wait"
1987 "Time Out for the Burglar" 88 non-album single
1989 "Nothin' (That Compares 2 U)" 77 4 33 89 2300 Jackson Street
"2300 Jackson Street" (The Jacksons featuring Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and Marlon Jackson) 9
"Art of Madness"

Duran also wrote all of their hits. The J5 did not until they left Motown.

[Edited 10/6/15 20:23pm]

[Edited 10/6/15 20:26pm]

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