Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

but nobody can realistically say without the jackson 5 mj could have still made it, you would have to change the entire trajectory of his life. michael had a father who played guitarand older brothers who taught themself to play instruments while singing around the house, the daddy finds out his sons have talent and decides to make them a group, little mj wanted to sing with his brothers, he shows that he could also sing. the father makes a group, rehearses them,prepares them and when the time came for their big break they were ready. if you take away all of this you would not have the michael jackson that became the king of pop.

But that is YOUR opinion which you are entitled too. I don't see anything wrong with someone making a prediction of what could have been. Michael was a unique talent so I think anything is possible. Who knows? Michael could have possibly been discovered a different way. These are all opinions at the end of the day which means there is no right or wrong. We obviously can't change history and the reality of what DID happen. However, I don't like the idea of people scolding others for their opinion. He never said it was a fact nor did he try to rewrite history with insisting MJ made it without J5. I just think some people feel threatened about the fact that Michael was the most talented in the family.

Michael was a unique talent, but would he have broken out without the J5? Don't forget the founding member of the J5 was actually Tito not Michael. Michael actually liked to copy Jermaine's singing and that's how Katherine Jackson discovered he had a voice on him and put him forward to be the lead singer.

Up onto that point you can't really say whether Michael would have ever thought of going into showbiz let alone thinking of going onto be the biggest entertainer in the world. Don't forget he was only around 5 when the group started to developed

whatsgoingon said:

Free2BMe said:

Scorp said:

Nooooo The king of pop fans would never want to acknowledge They rather hold onto the 23 years and counting narrative that MJs family were leeches It would be too much like right to duspel the narratuve once and for all

The fact that the brothers are broke has NOTHING to do with Michael or his fans. With all of the money that THEY made, there was no excuse for them to badger the #### out of Michael to tour with them or for him to support him. The bottomline is that the whole family are leeches. With all of the money that they made, they acted as if MICHAEL's money was THEIR money. It isn't. I wonder why these people and people like you and others don't act as if Janet's money is THEIRS? The big question is why is Michael EXPECTED to support his entire family, when Janet is not? Michael didn't spend all of their money, THEY did.

you do realize that michael bought the jackson5 catalog as soon as the money came rolling in from his partner ship with sony and the beatles catolog. he has been stiffing his brothers on ther catolog for years.

whatsgoingon said:

mjscarousal said:

But that is YOUR opinion which you are entitled too. I don't see anything wrong with someone making a prediction of what could have been. Michael was a unique talent so I think anything is possible. Who knows? Michael could have possibly been discovered a different way. These are all opinions at the end of the day which means there is no right or wrong. We obviously can't change history and the reality of what DID happen. However, I don't like the idea of people scolding others for their opinion. He never said it was a fact nor did he try to rewrite history with insisting MJ made it without J5. I just think some people feel threatened about the fact that Michael was the most talented in the family.

Michael was a unique talent, but would he have broken out without the J5? Don't forget the founding member of the J5 was actually Tito not Michael. Michael actually liked to copy Jermaine's singing and that's how Katherine Jackson discovered he had a voice on him and put him forward to be the lead singer.

Up onto that point you can't really say whether Michael would have ever thought of going into showbiz let alone thinking of going onto be the biggest entertainer in the world. Don't forget he was only around 5 when the group started to developed

And where in that post did I say otherwise? I was just insisting that the poster was entitled to his opinion (and make predictions if that is what he chooses to do) since these are all opinions. I mean honestly you can't really say what someone can and can not have an opinion about, thats just crazy

Michael was a unique talent...period. Insisting that the other brothers were talented and that Tito found the Jackson 5 (to some how justify that) really doesn't change that. Also, I gave the brothers their due for their talent but I am not going to sit here and act like they were all had the same level of talent, charisma and abilities.

I think some people feel that some are slighting the brothers just because some are pointing out the fact that Michael was a unique talent and logically that doesn't make any sense. Everyone here for the most part have all agreed the brothers were talented just that MJ was the star of the group. I don't know why that bothers some people. Its not like its not a fact.

the brothers hasn't seen a dime since after the victory tour

bboy87 said:

Sony owns the Jacksons catalog, but the brothers own their publishing from that period (peacock publishing as well as their individual catalogs) If you're talking about the Motown catalog, Universal STILL owns it and SonyATV began administering the Jobete publishing, after MJ passed

jackson35 said:

bboy87 said:

jackson35 said:

the brothers hasn't seen a dime since after the victory tour

The brothers get royalties from the CBS/Epic material The Motown material, on the other hand is possible but its not because of MJ, but because of Berry Gordy and the lawsuit he filed against them when they left the label. Its been said the brothers signed away royalties to that material back in 1980 because of the ruling. They got screwed big time.

Thank you for clarifying now lets hope the conspiractors give it a rest. Miss your posts, good to see you around here!

mjscarousal said:

bboy87 said:

jackson35 said: The brothers get royalties from the CBS/Epic material The Motown material, on the other hand is possible but its not because of MJ, but because of Berry Gordy and the lawsuit he filed against them when they left the label. Its been said the brothers signed away royalties to that material back in 1980 because of the ruling. They got screwed big time.

Thank you for clarifying now lets hope the conspiractors give it a rest. Miss your posts, good to see you around here!

yes, i'm aware of that. fast foward to the 80's he bought the catalog from mca, and he bought the jacksons catalog. he been using their royalities to pay the expense of never land. he gives a measly stipend to his mother and instruct her to pass out what's left to his brothers.

bboy87 said:

jackson35 said:

the brothers hasn't seen a dime since after the victory tour

The brothers get royalties from the CBS/Epic material The Motown material, on the other hand is possible but its not because of MJ, but because of Berry Gordy and the lawsuit he filed against them when they left the label. Its been said the brothers signed away royalties to that material back in 1980 because of the ruling. They got screwed big time.

Finally, some facts. Hi bboy!

Pure speculation on my part but it sure does SOUND like Michael Jackson to buy up the J5 catalogue. IF he with held royalties from the family it would go a long way in explaining this percieved rift between him and his brothers.

The mythology goes that the brothers were leeches grabbing at any strands of fame that any attatchment to Michaels name could afford. But a more reasonable explanation would be the former.

jackson35 said:

mjscarousal said:

Thank you for clarifying now lets hope the conspiractors give it a rest. Miss your posts, good to see you around here!

yes, i'm aware of that. fast foward to the 80's he bought the catalog from mca, and he bought the jacksons catalog. he been using their royalities to pay the expense of never land. he gives a measly stipend to his mother and instruct her to pass out what's left to his brothers.

CynicKill said:

Pure speculation on my part but it sure does SOUND like Michael Jackson to buy up the J5 catalogue. IF he with held royalties from the family it would go a long way in explaining this percieved rift between him and his brothers.

The mythology goes that the brothers were leeches grabbing at any strands of fame that any attatchment to Michaels name could afford. But a more reasonable explanation would be the former.

Jermaine has wrote music for other singers in addition to his own music. Randy and Jackie also wrote some of the songs when they became the "Jacksons". Tito has his own band and writes his own music. Marlon started other business ventures outside of music. They get royalties and money but its selfish to assume your brother is suppose to take care all the family members just because he is the richest in the family. That is why Michael wanted nothing to do with them. Instead of showing him love and affection, they always had their hand out asking him to get involved with something that related to money. If the Jacksons (siblings and parents) actually cared about him and showed him love, he probably would still be here. What I realize is when it comes to Michael people automatically point the finger at him for his troubles instead of looking at the whole picture in his story with wh cyertain things went the way they did.

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mjscarousal said:

jackson35 said:

Scorp said:

And thats why this entire situation is ao unfortunate because most MJ fans want and choose to believe not realizing and dont want to realize how much they have veen manipulated All this smoke has been polluting the air for over 20 years and needs to be filtered out like yesterday His family are not the people who caused all the troubled he experienced in the latter years On the otherhand, there were a litany of folks outside of them who did When all else fails, its default mode and blame the family [Edited 9/28/15 13:15pm] [Edited 9/28/15 13:18pm]

Scorpio I will never understand what your problem is with Michael. It appears to be deep seeded. You paint yourself as a MJ fan which you probably were but you obviously are not anymore. The truth of the matter is you are an ex- MJ fan and you hate Michael. I just wish you admit that and stop pretending you are a fan when you obviously are an old disgruntle fan. You constatly go out of your way to throw shade, criticize and to attack him. Nothing MJ has done in his career or personal life is never right to you. You never think any of his siblings or parents have done anything questionable when it comes to anything related to MJ. Its okay if you don't like him but I don't see the point in going on and on with these redundant conspiracy theories like they are "facts". You hate Michael and love Janet and the rest of the other siblings, fine but please stop asserting your conspiracies and assumptions as facts. These are not facts, these are just your opinions. Receipts have been provided to shut down your opinions and even still you will come up with some delusional excuse as to why you think MJ sabataged his brothers and is the root of all evil. I don't care to go back in forth (because I know it will be like talking to a brick wall) but I just wanted to say this much at least.

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It's IRONIC that the beautiful,talented, billionaire Janet Jackson is NOW the sole SUPERSTAR of the family.Plus moved herself to Saudi Arabia safely from her family of leeches.

I bet you only Katherine has her main residence number. Just like Mj use to do.

mjscarousal said:

^ But what does someone's age have to do the fact that you are an ex-MJ fan who hates Michael? None of that justifies that your opinions are just that, opinions. Did you bother to read any of the facts that have been posted about the publishing and royalities? Probably not because you do not care about that. You don't care about the facts. You just care about asserting your delusions and hatred for MJ. You can sit here all day long and talk about back in "your day" but the fact of the matter is... you don't like Michael anymore. Your clearly not a fan. I wish you stop perpetuating that dislike on others having the problem when it is really you. People don't have to mold their opinions to your liking. Again, this has nothing to do with upholding lies, someone's age or whatever twisted delusion you think. These are all opinions. The fact that you can't even address the information someone presented that pretty much debunks your claims regarding the Jacksons publishing is sad. Are you that blinded by your hatred for Michael Jackson that you can not maturely admit when you clearly have been misinformed?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's IRONIC that the beautiful,talented, billionaire Janet Jackson is NOW the sole SUPERSTAR of the family.Plus moved herself to Saudi Arabia safely from her family of leeches.

I bet you only Katherine has her main residence number. Just like Mj use to do.

Whatever! Janet phoned the brothers while they made their reunion TV docu-series.

And MJ probably lost her number the last time they tried to stage an intervention.

Cinny said:

mjscarousal said:

bboy87 said:

Sony owns the Jacksons catalog, but the brothers own their publishing from that period (peacock publishing as well as their individual catalogs) If you're talking about the Motown catalog, Universal STILL owns it and SonyATV began administering the Jobete publishing, after MJ passed

Unlike this forum, I'm glad you're still alive.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's IRONIC that the beautiful,talented, billionaire Janet Jackson is NOW the sole SUPERSTAR of the family.Plus moved herself to Saudi Arabia safely from her family of leeches.

I bet you only Katherine has her main residence number. Just like Mj use to do.

A billionaire mainly through marriage, not just through talent, and Saudi Arabia is a medieval shit hole. If she goes out there dressed like that picture, she'd probably be stoned to death the next morning. Lovely place. Good for her. She's welcome to it.

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Marrk said:

Cinny said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's IRONIC that the beautiful,talented, billionaire Janet Jackson is NOW the sole SUPERSTAR of the family.Plus moved herself to Saudi Arabia safely from her family of leeches.

I bet you only Katherine has her main residence number. Just like Mj use to do.

Whatever! Janet phoned the brothers while they made their reunion TV docu-series.

And MJ probably lost her number the last time they tried to stage an intervention.

I saw that episode! It is many ways to ring people without your number appearing. Or having more that one phone. Without giving the main one out..

Scorp said:

Marrk said:

A billionaire mainly through marriage, not just through talent, and Saudi Arabia is a medieval shit hole. If she goes out there dressed like that picture, she'd probably be stoned to death the next morning. Lovely place. Good for her. She's welcome to it.

[Edited 9/28/15 17:29pm]

See, this is a perfect illustration of what Ive witnessed over the past 28 years Pure unadulterated hate See, this is hate born out of hate when everyone else is accused of being haters None of this madness and whack commentary existed when this stuff neant something not back in the early to mid 80s [Edited 9/28/15 17:42pm]

I'm actually looking forward to Janets new album, I'm a moderate fan, was a big fan up to TVR. No hate, you're easily influenced. Nothing i said was untrue. You go to Saudi, hug an Arab and parade in a mankini if you like Scorp. They'll fucking love you and I'd love you to do it too. Meh.

[Edited 9/28/15 18:03pm]

What's goin on in here?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

What's goin on in here?

As near as I can figure Michael was moonwalking the minute he popped outta his mama...glove and all.