Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

No..................... BUT objectively Jermaine had enough talent though where he could have had some descent success if he had continued on making music and focused on his career. People need to stop pointing the finger at other people instead of placing responsibility on the Jacksons as far as why they didnt go as far as they could have. Jermaine actually had a respectable successful R&B career before he haulted it with messing around with women and getting them pregnant. He wasn't as focused and his drive was not there. I am glad the Jacksons have the drive now to want to go out and tour but people need to not sit here and blame the lack of drive someone has for their own career on someone else thats just ridiculous....

[Edited 9/17/15 18:32pm]

messin around w/women?

like he the only artists who's ever come down the pike of music who has

the man had 11 albums in 15 years from 1976-1991......that's not focused or having drive?

Lets say Jermaine wanted to take a break from music. Jermaine has some R&B classics of his own right? Why couldn't he just tour his solo catalog in the 90's or early 00's? Why is he NOW touring with his brothers? He has a respectable catalog where he could tour on his own, write for other artists and make more music but he hasn't done that in over 20 something years. C'mon some responsibility needs to be taken here on his part. No one is stopping him for doing any of that. He simply was not driven as other members. If Janet took that same attitude she would have never got with Jimmy and Terry (against her father's wishes) and did Control after two failed albums. I don't think Jermaine is as hardworking as some of his other siblings thats just my opinion.

MotownSubdivision said:

Graycap23 said:

Do u believe that he could have made it as a solo artist on his own? (if the J5 never existed)

No, just like the rest of the Jacksons.

I agree

I agree Jermaine had a hand in dropping the ball on his career, but some on here are claiming he never had a chance because of some lack of talent. That's how I read it.

The same could be said of El Debarge. He had like ten kids by almost as many women and fell into drugs so late in his csareer it's kinda shoicking that he even went there.

CynicKill said:

I agree Jermaine had a hand in dropping the ball on his career, but some on here are claiming he never had a chance because of some lack of talent. That's how I read it.

The same could be said of El Debarge. He had like ten kids by almost as many women and fell into drugs so late in his csareer it's kinda shoicking that he even went there.

Your right. I hope you didn't feel I implied that because I honestly think Jermaine is talented but its sad he kinda gave up on his career due to personal issues etc. I love El Debarge and despite his drug problems and issues with women he always manages to bounce back. He did an album in 2010 and he still tours but El can still SANGGG and still looks good too might I add lol. Jermaine's voice is not what it use to be but he still could solo tour more if he wanted too.

mjscarousal said:

all of you are naive if you don't think micheal record company didn't pay radio station not to play jermaine solo efforts. he tried to do the same shit with janet.

jackson35 said:

all of you are naive if you don't think micheal record company didn't pay radio station not to play jermaine solo efforts.

One problem with this theory: I heard Jermaine's music on the radio

"Let's Get Serious","Do What You Do","Let Me Tickle Your Fancy","Dynamite","Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" (duet with Michael Jackson),"You Like Me,Don't You","I'm Just Too Shy","I Think It's Love","Don't Take It Personal","Daddy's Home","Let's Be Young Tonight","Very Special Heart" and others....were all heavily played on R&B radio.That's how I know all of these songs,lol

So if Michael paid radio stations to not play these songs,he really wasted his money

Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

Pretty much. Jermaine didnt get sabatage. He was lazy and did not follow through with his own career. He doesn't have the same drive as MJ and Janet and that is the truth.

Do u believe that he could have made it as a solo artist on his own? (if the J5 never existed)

no. people always say stuff like if he would have worked harder he could have been big as janet, um no he couldnt. jermaine was a teen idol, he was a pretty good writer/producer, and very good bass player but he never had that 'IT' factor it takes to become a superstar back in the day. he never had the charisma of his iconic brother or sister. if he wasnt lazy he could have made a nice living as an oldies touring act, but he was never going to be a huge solo star.

SoulAlive said:

jackson35 said:

all of you are naive if you don't think micheal record company didn't pay radio station not to play jermaine solo efforts.

One problem with this theory: I heard Jermaine's music on the radio

"Let's Get Serious","Do What You Do","Let Me Tickle Your Fancy","Dynamite","Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin" (duet with Michael Jackson),"You Like Me,Don't You","I'm Just Too Shy","I Think It's Love","Don't Take It Personal","Daddy's Home","Let's Be Young Tonight","Very Special Heart" and others....were all heavily played on R&B radio.That's how I know all of these songs,lol

So if Michael paid radio stations to not play these songs,he really wasted his money

Thanks Soul.

Now I just laugh at these ridiculous theories

lowkey said:

Back in the late 80's or early 90's James Brown complained about not having a GRAMMY..Because of the "hype" the GRAMMY officials awarded him the following year with a Lifetime achievement Grammy or Legend Grammy....I think Elvis is another one that won One GRAMMY or None...

^ It just goes to show that awards really don't have that much weight or impact as often projected. The real influence and legacy of music lies within the impact it makes on people which is why all these current stars that win 20 grammys today might have their awards now but there music won't be playing 20 years from now so imo the awards now really have no meaning. What is the real meaning behind an award if the music doesn't make an impact on people? I rather win 0 grammys and have a flourishing influential musical legacy than have 30 grammys with no classics or influential material. The statue has no meaning if you don't have no real musical legacy imo.

Scorp said:

lowkey said:

no. people always say stuff like if he would have worked harder he could have been big as janet, um no he couldnt. jermaine was a teen idol, he was a pretty good writer/producer, and very good bass player but he never had that 'IT' factor it takes to become a superstar back in the day. he never had the charisma of his iconic brother or sister. if he wasnt lazy he could have made a nice living as an oldies touring act, but he was never going to be a huge solo star.

How can u be lazy when u released 11 albums in 15 years, and a main producer such acts such as Switch in 78-79, and 10 years later started co producing the Jacksons an American Dream. This is what Im not understanding

That 15 year span is really not alot considering how long Jermaine has been in the business. To put it in perspective Beyonce has been doing it longer than 15 years already, if she stops working/performing now and decides to become active again at age 60 thats a long ass gap without being productive. The reason i call him lazy is because he's been promising reunion tours,family tours,reunion albums for the past 15 years, he knew it was never going to happen but he continued to hold on to the hope of mj allowing them to ride his coattails instead of just moving on as a solo performer and hitting the road with his own music. once mj died jermaine realized his hopes of the glory days of playing arenas and stadiums with his brothers were gone, it was only then that he got his ass up and started performing again. He basically wasted about 20 years being lazy and delusional.

lowkey said:

Yeah Janet did insist on going to different producers her father didn't approve of. Different producers=different management=different company.

Who was Latoya affiliated with?

But this came out in 1988:

I'm sorry can you explain the significance of 1992 in case I missed it in the thread.

Scorp said:

lowkey said:

That 15 year span is really not alot considering how long Jermaine has been in the business. To put it in perspective Beyonce has been doing it longer than 15 years already, if she stops working/performing now and decides to become active again at age 60 thats a long ass gap without being productive. The reason i call him lazy is because he's been promising reunion tours,family tours,reunion albums for the past 15 years, he knew it was never going to happen but he continued to hold on to the hope of mj allowing them to ride his coattails instead of just moving on as a solo performer and hitting the road with his own music. once mj died jermaine realized his hopes of the glory days of playing arenas and stadiums with his brothers were gone, it was only then that he got his ass up and started performing again. He basically wasted about 20 years being lazy and delusional.

This is reflectuve in the narrative thats been hatched and passed down since 1992 But missing is the real truth in that Jermaine Jacksons career and that of Randy, and that of Marlon, and that of Jackie, and that of Tito, and that of Rebbie were all systematically shut down down which has GIVEN the impression they been lazy and leeching for all these years The only reason it didn't happen to Janet is because at the time this all went down, she was already affiliated with a different label, A&M then Virgin This is the rock that those who are position to tell the story do not want to turn or even get close to because if that rock is overturned, then everything go [Edited 9/18/15 13:45pm]

jermaine was never on mike's label, he put out nice albums on arista, he was involved in the biggest debut album of all time and helped launch the career of whitney houston, i remember he did a week long stint on my favorite soap opera and had whitney on there with him,sorry but the mj sabataged him excuse dont work for me.there was nothing to stop jermaine from going out on the road as a solo artist. the notion that mike could somehow make or break their careers is bs to me, case in point janet...her first 2 albums were not successful and this was during the height of thrillermania. she didnt give up and try to ride the michael bandwagon, she did her own thing. fans just need to accept the fact that the other 7 jacksons just didnt have solo stardom appeal. those 3t boys did the same thing, they rode the mj express and became successful overseas, they never did anything else because mike wasnt available to help them when he was going through his problems, and then they tried to blame mj's trial and janet's nipple on them not being able to make music, mind you they put out their 1st album in the 90s and the trial and superbowl didnt happen until 04/05.

lowkey said:

Scorp said:

lowkey said:

jermaine was never on mike's label, he put out nice albums on arista, he was involved in the biggest debut album of all time and helped launch the career of whitney houston, i remember he did a week long stint on my favorite soap opera and had whitney on there with him,sorry but the mj sabataged him excuse dont work for me.there was nothing to stop jermaine from going out on the road as a solo artist. the notion that mike could somehow make or break their careers is bs to me, case in point janet...her first 2 albums were not successful and this was during the height of thrillermania. she didnt give up and try to ride the michael bandwagon, she did her own thing. fans just need to accept the fact that the other 7 jacksons just didnt have solo stardom appeal. those 3t boys did the same thing, they rode the mj express and became successful overseas, they never did anything else because mike wasnt available to help them when he was going through his problems, and then they tried to blame mj's trial and janet's nipple on them not being able to make music, mind you they put out their 1st album in the 90s and the trial and superbowl didnt happen until 04/05.

I never said jermaine was on epic records when he was on motown then arista. There is no gravy train. Anything related to the jackson family musical legacy is now controlled by the establishment, even Michael's name os owned by the establishment. Michael didnt even own name or his own music anymore in the end. His catalog, gone....the publishing company he founded with Randy..Miran music in 1981, gone I never for one second felt anyone was riding anyone's coattails because the entire foundation started woth the Jackson 5 Jermaine, Marlon, and Randy all had #1 r&b records from 1987-1991, with a number of those songs achieving that mark when Michael's Bad album had completed its run on the charts, before real r&b music was stomped out and crushed [Edited 9/18/15 17:54pm]

lowkey said:

Scorp said:

lowkey said: This is reflectuve in the narrative thats been hatched and passed down since 1992 But missing is the real truth in that Jermaine Jacksons career and that of Randy, and that of Marlon, and that of Jackie, and that of Tito, and that of Rebbie were all systematically shut down down which has GIVEN the impression they been lazy and leeching for all these years The only reason it didn't happen to Janet is because at the time this all went down, she was already affiliated with a different label, A&M then Virgin This is the rock that those who are position to tell the story do not want to turn or even get close to because if that rock is overturned, then everything go [Edited 9/18/15 13:45pm]

jermaine was never on mike's label, he put out nice albums on arista, he was involved in the biggest debut album of all time and helped launch the career of whitney houston, i remember he did a week long stint on my favorite soap opera and had whitney on there with him,sorry but the mj sabataged him excuse dont work for me.there was nothing to stop jermaine from going out on the road as a solo artist. the notion that mike could somehow make or break their careers is bs to me, case in point janet...her first 2 albums were not successful and this was during the height of thrillermania. she didnt give up and try to ride the michael bandwagon, she did her own thing. fans just need to accept the fact that the other 7 jacksons just didnt have solo stardom appeal. those 3t boys did the same thing, they rode the mj express and became successful overseas, they never did anything else because mike wasnt available to help them when he was going through his problems, and then they tried to blame mj's trial and janet's nipple on them not being able to make music, mind you they put out their 1st album in the 90s and the trial and superbowl didnt happen until 04/05.

I agree.

The other brothers were talented in their own way but they just didn't have the superstardom appeal as Janet and Michael and thats just the honest truth. Everyone does not have what it takes to be a superstar and that is okay it doesn't mean the other brothers are not talented. Jermaine on the other hand could have had a more successful career if he had made better choices. I think La Toya too. I personally think she should have went into print modeling, she was gorgeous in her prime and had good fashion sense. I think some of the members should have focused on their stronger areas instead of all pursuing music.

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

jermaine was never on mike's label, he put out nice albums on arista, he was involved in the biggest debut album of all time and helped launch the career of whitney houston, i remember he did a week long stint on my favorite soap opera and had whitney on there with him,sorry but the mj sabataged him excuse dont work for me.there was nothing to stop jermaine from going out on the road as a solo artist. the notion that mike could somehow make or break their careers is bs to me, case in point janet...her first 2 albums were not successful and this was during the height of thrillermania. she didnt give up and try to ride the michael bandwagon, she did her own thing. fans just need to accept the fact that the other 7 jacksons just didnt have solo stardom appeal. those 3t boys did the same thing, they rode the mj express and became successful overseas, they never did anything else because mike wasnt available to help them when he was going through his problems, and then they tried to blame mj's trial and janet's nipple on them not being able to make music, mind you they put out their 1st album in the 90s and the trial and superbowl didnt happen until 04/05.

I agree.

The other brothers were talented in their own way but they just didn't have the superstardom appeal as Janet and Michael and thats just the honest truth. Everyone does not have what it takes to be a superstar and that is okay it doesn't mean the other brothers are not talented. Jermaine on the other hand could have had a more successful career if he had made better choices. I think La Toya too. I personally think she should have went into print modeling, she was gorgeous in her prime and had good fashion sense. I think some of the members should have focused on their stronger areas instead of all pursuing music.

>

My sister said that LaToya designed her brothers outfits and that's where she should've directed her talents. Who knows by now we might've been referring to her by her fashion label. Hell if Tina Knowles can do it...

CynicKill said:

lowkey said:

^^I've always said that LaToya should have became a lawyer or doctor....anything but a singer! That video is unintentionally hilarious.

SoulAlive said:

so Marlon didn't have solo star appeal, but the truth says otherwise

while Bad had been released, Marlon's song Don't Go became the #1 song on radio, particularly r&b radio, supplanting the Bad single on the top of the charts AND on BET'S Video Soul (when BET was formidable), the video for Don't Go supplanted the Bad video on the top of their Friday weekly countdown

his album by the end of the year went double platinum but it was not officially announced by Billboard because Billboard began the practice of distorting sales figures by R&B artists to begin destabilizing the genre so the Pop Ascension could take over

Randy's debut single w/his group The Gypsies, by the latter part of the summer of 1989, Perpetrators was the #1 song on R&B radio, this happened after Michael's Bad album completed its run during the February/March of 1989

when the Jacksons appeared on the former Phil Donahue show, brother Jackie put the word out about Randy's album and said he felt it was just as good or even better than Janet's upcoming release Rythym Nation

this was also a very good song on the album Because of You

let's not forget, arguably, it was Randy who was the most musically inclined member of the Jackson Family, and co-wrote the Jacksons classic Shake Your Body Down To the Ground with Michael, and helped Michael come up w/the rhythm arrangement for Don't Stop Til You Get Enough and Workin Day and Night from Off The Wall, as well as co-writing the song Lovely One on the brothers album Triumph

Jackie co-wrote Can You Feel It, serving as the primary write for the song as well as for the song Torture, these are staple songs of the Jacksons

Jermaine Jackson rockin the Arsenio Hall show

one of the hardest things to do as a performer is play an instrument and sing live at the same time, especially an instrument like the bass guitar

and these were live vocals because Arsenio wouldn't let you lyp sync on his show and Jermaine sounds just like he did on the actual record

they all would have had formidable careers in their own right if they had not been sabotaged and systematically shut down over a 20 year period, but history is not going to admit that as the story is being constantly rewritten to paint this false narrative that has tons of holes in it

[Edited 9/19/15 4:41am]

Scorp said:

Jermaine Jackson rockin the Arsenio Hall show

these were live vocals because Arsenio wouldn't let you lyp sync on his show and Jermaine sounds just like he did on the actual record

This is awesome. His popping is sick! Yes, he is from the era of real musicianship. People saw too many mimed clips from the Jacksons (Ed Sullivan, Cher, American Bandstand), you can forget how talented they were as a band.

I'll let her have the last word on the subject: