It was single worthy imo... more so than Liberain Girl or Another Part Of Me Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I love Liberian girl | |
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I exactly really like JGF but I think I love Liberian Girl/ APOM more especially Liberial Girl that is probably my favorite song on the album | |
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The song is fine but the video.................. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive | |
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The video was so disappointing when you know it could've had a bomb ass video but I guess Mike didn't take the song seriously to release it here. | |
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Maybe he had a preference for when it was Pyramid Girl, and then brought the Egyptian theme into RTT | |
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Slow your horses. You have no idea what you're talking about. | |
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No it wasn't. | |
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I decided to read the reviews on Amazon for Invincible during the album's release in October 2001 ... and was shocked ... they are rather good.
http://www.amazon.com/Invincible-Michael-Jackson/product-reviews/B00005Q4JH/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_105?ie=UTF8&pageNumber=105&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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I dont think the album itself is timeless but there are some timeless tracks on there which connects to the album and makes people remember it. So the album is memorable.
I still feel the same way about Invincible as I do when I was 9 when I first purchased it. I exactly didnt think 2000 watts was MJ singing though when I was young but now of course I know its him I have always felt Invincible was a underrated album with alot of gems and still do today. Of course we know its not MJs best but even on his weakest album he has alot of great vocal highlights - Butterflies for example which IS a timeless classic dont care what nobody says.
I would give the album 3 1/2 stars the album is not as bad as people say it. The only reason why they do it is because its Michael Jackson and during the time of its released it sold 2 million although today it has sold about 10 million or a little over probably now.
It has alot of strong points: Butterflies, Break of Dawn, Heaven Cant Wait, Whatever Happens etc Which are some of my favorite songs out of his catalogue. Michael goes back to his R&B roots and experiements with a few different elements on those songs. So yes its MJ weakest as far as HIS past works but its far from garbage and its exactly underrated in some ways. [Edited 12/16/12 8:26am] | |
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Invincible was one of the first MJ albums I bought and for me it had a lot of great songs and others I didn't like too much. But I still wouldn't change a thing because no one seems to agree on the tracks, some people one song and others hate the same song. My main problem with it is that it is too long and for MJ the songs aren't that strong. I think that MJ's vocals are very strong on the album on just about every song. MJ was experimenting a lot with his voice since going solo (adult) and especially in the 90's but on this album he just went back to pure beautiful sounding R&B vocals and although he isn't as creative with his voice on this album, its nice to see him go back to just regular singing for an album.
I wish that instead of working with the many producers and songwriters he did, he would do a self-produced and self-written album (in collaboration with close lesser known talents). I very much liked the self-produced works on HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor. I think Invincible would have been a much better album if Michael would have worked with close collaborators who may not be the "hot producer" but would have helped Michael make a more meaningful artistic album than just trying to get back on top of the charts. That being said, Invincible has a few of nice R&B jams and "Whatever Happens" is a great song that I can listen to over and over again.
MJ's last few albums and his unreleased material make me wonder how things would've turned out had it not been for the 2003 molestation charges, it's a shame we didn't get more music | |
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I agree with everything. | |
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I loved Invincible for it's music diversity and most of all, his vocals as well and how he was showing off his range more than he had in ages. The songs were good, but I don't know now ifI would put them up against his best material or not though I really have to be in the mood. I agree the ballads are really beautiful and tender and whatever happens is a masterpiece. My favourite fast songs include Threatened and You Rock My World. I really hate what happened to him in 2003 and became very depressed overtime about how they were all treating him, but I was kind of relieved we got Ultimate Collection's release, cause though we already knew some of the songs, the newer ones that were unreleased for other albums and for a possible future one were BRILLIANT and IMO superior to a lot of Invincible work. We've Had Enough is probably his best song of the decade IMO, I love Fall Again and it would have been perfect on Invincible though I also love Glenn's completed version, wish MJ enough studio time to finish it off, and I love the harmonies of The Way You Love Me and Beautiful Girl. | |
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I agree, a lot of the work on The Ultimate Collection showed a lot of potential in future works and also that Invincible could have been better. Invincible is a solid album but was pretty disappointing by MJ's standards. I wonder if more demos of MJ's later work will be released, hopefully without the "Michael" style production (though I liked some of the songs). Considering that Invincible was the most expensive album ever made (at the time) and the album that took MJ the longest to release, I wonder how many demos he recorded for it and how they sound. [Edited 12/16/12 20:03pm] | |
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I think the reason Michael didn't was because he had the pressure to top in sales and make everything big. The music was real good but it seemed he was all over the place as far as his focus went. | |
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I think during Invincible probably there was much more going on in his life than we know. Besides promoting Invincible, he was fighting with Sony and at that time Blanket came about so there must have been something going on in his private life as well. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Yeah I wrote a post about it a while back- I don't understand either - it's one of my favorite tracks on the album. And as for them not writing it: most of Jackson's best songs were written by someone else. Mostly by Rod Temperton, but also songs like "She's Out Of My Life" (by Tom Bahler).
I wasn't aware it was released? Is it out on Bluray/DVD or something? I'd still like to see the full 2hr version... :/
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So Dont Stop Till You Get Enough, Billie Jean, Smooth Criminal, They Dont Really Care About Us etc are not some of his best songs?
I respectfully disagree. His best songs are the ones he wrote himself. | |
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best / worst - subjectively his only hit song, which I hate with a passion - You are not alone ... really written by other authors. | |
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I agree, Michael was always trying to top Thriller even that late in his career. And he had his children so he was probably focusing less on music and more on his family. | |
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I recall him saying Invincible was a better album than Thriller in that internet question and answer chat he did | |
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have you seen the full version of court records in 1993? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZMNg00NHok but he spoke in detail how he writes songs ...genius | |
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Subjectively - yeah absolutely. I thought all posts on message boards were opinions, and not the absolute truth...
However, it's funny how I'm almost the exact opposite.
Also, I'm not a fan of his 90's songwriting...they tended to gravitate towards the cheesy in my opinion. Black Or White, Earth Song - yuck "Dangerous" had some great "urban" new jack swing stuff, but it was mostly co-written with Teddy Riley. I generally lost interest in MJ in the early 90's. I grew up with MJ mania in the 80's so I'm a bit biased.
BAD has tons of great MJ-written tracks, though: Another Part Of Me, even Speed Demon.
Here's my list off the top of my head:
- Man In The Mirror (Glen Ballard, Siedah Garrett) - Baby Be Mine (Rod Temperton) - Rock With You (Temperton) - Off The Wall (Temperton) - Hot Street (Temperton) - Thriller demo - P.Y.T. (Quincy Jones, James Ingram)...although the MJ demo is really cool too..albeit a completely different song - She's Out Of My Life (T.Bahler) - Human Nature (Steve Porcaro) - Remember The Time (Teddy Riley) - Just Good Friends (some dudes who I don't remember) - You Rock My World (co-write with Rodney Jerkins)
A lot of the "disco tracks" like Working Day... or Don't Stop Til You... benefit from the superb production, playing and arrangements by Q and his musicians.
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You'd be surprised to know that many artists know less about their music than fans do... at least the non important stuff like release dates and on which album certain songs are. Especially when it's years and years ago. He was recording constantly in the 70s and it's not really that important on which album a song was released when you released a new album almost every year. And yes, he certainly was under the influence. That was shortly before he stopped the Dangerous tour and went into rehab. | |
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That is true, janet made a couple of mistakes too in interviews over the years as well...and in mj's case he had pain issues and lupus so I'm sure he was foggy and felt fatigue often though he performed anyway. | |
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Michael Jackson inducted into the Dance Heritage Coalition(17-12-2012) Founded in 1992, the Dance Heritage Coalition (DHC) is the sole national non-profit organization in the USA dedicated to documenting, preserving, and creating access to materials documenting America’s dance legacy. Since 1999 the list of “America’s Irreplaceable Dance Treasures” included 100 dancers. Noone had been added to the list since....until last week. Michael Jackson was among new 12 honorees.
The other honorees include: Jacques d’Amboise, Jane Dudley, Garth ***an, Frederic Franklin, Loie Fuller, Carmen de Lavallade, John Martin, Sophie Maslow, Daniel Nagrin, The Rockettes, and Maria Tallchief.
They were nominated by a national survey and vote in 2012. The original intention was to add 10 new Treasures to the original 100. However, in recognition of extremely close voting and in honor of the year 2012, it was decided to bring the number up to 12. Afterwards the nominees were confirmed by the Dance Heritage Coalition (DHC) Board of Directors. The 12 figures are celebrated online along with the initial list of 100 in an Online Exhibition of Dance Treasures.
The list of “America's Irreplaceable Dance Treasures” encompasses individuals, organizations, and dance styles, and is intended to heighten public interest in the magnificence and richness of America's dance heritage and the imperative to document and preserve it for future generations. “America’s Irreplaceable Dance Treasures: The First 100” was created by the DHC in 1999 from nominations submitted nationwide and vetted by a panel of experts; the Treasures formed the basis of the DHC’s traveling exhibition, which visited seven locations from 2004 to 2009. With the closing of the touring exhibit in 2009, the commemorative materials have been expanded and collected on the DHC’s website. A separate webpage is devoted to each of the Treasures, with essays, resource lists and curated visual materials. New pages for the 12 latest honorees have now been added to the online exhibition, which was launched in July 2012.
Michael Jackson's entry in the press release pf the DHC reads as follows:
More info about the Dance Heritage Coalition
most of the inductees are ballet dancers & theatre dancers along with famous names like Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, & Bob Fosse. it seems like Michael is the only music artist inducted | |
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well, let's just pretend, I believe that you really think Baby Be Mine and PYT "better" than Billie Jean, Wanna... and Beat it ... and that Man In The Mirror and Just Good Friends (only two songs that are not written by Jackson) are the best songs on the album Bad, ... and peace!
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Nice Post more [Edited 12/18/12 8:01am] | |
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