GoldDolphin said:

Azz said:

I own more Michael Jackson CDs than any other artist.

I prefer Michael and Janet to every other Jackson, but why wouldn't I?

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Till the day Janet (& his siblings) creates songs like Billie Jean, Who is it, Stranger in Moscow, they should never musically be compared. It's OK to like Janet better because we are all free thinkers, but musically speaking there's no comparison between the two. You seem to always attack MJ though, so if you have nothing constructive to say, why not be silent instead?

There is always janet's This Time and What About and Trust a Try, very, very underrated. But I hear MJ and Prince influences all over them anyways....

alphastreet said:

GoldDolphin said:

Till the day Janet (& his siblings) creates songs like Billie Jean, Who is it, Stranger in Moscow, they should never musically be compared. It's OK to like Janet better because we are all free thinkers, but musically speaking there's no comparison between the two. You seem to always attack MJ though, so if you have nothing constructive to say, why not be silent instead?

There is always janet's This Time and What About and Trust a Try, very, very underrated. But I hear MJ and Prince influences all over them anyways....

Everyone is inspired. Besides, I hear some of Janets infleunce in MJs music. Afterall, he was extremely fond of Rhythm Nation. He even gave Rhythm Nation to Rodney Jerkins.

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Azz said:

LiLi1992 said:

Really?
you're a fan and supporter of any Jackson: Randy, Janet, Jermaine, Katherine, Joseph, etc.
but not Michael ...
the impression that you like all the Jacksons .... besides Jackson, who really had the talent and was the leader of the family .... I think it's weird.

I own more Michael Jackson CDs than any other artist.

I prefer Michael and Janet to every other Jackson, but why wouldn't I?

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you always despise Michael in your posts ... never mind ... Joseph vs Michael, Janet vs Michael, Jermaine vs Michael

Michael is always wrong ... in your imagination.

Janet is an international star

Yes, Janet popular (was) not only in the U.S. but also in some other countries, but it is not in the top league of the world success. This is also true.

But in reality and in comparison, she is normal compared to Michael.

I agree, but that's not saying a lot. 99% of the world's more normal than Michael ...

It actually seems like many MJ fans are threatened by Janet's success, and the fact her quality of music is equal or arguably higher.

Wow

it's sad.

I think it's very very very few people (not fans of Jackson) will agree with your last statement.
By the way, how many songs written by Janet without co-?

Sorry, but MJ is clearly more talented than any of the other Jackson, it's not just an opinion, it is almost a fact of objective reality.

Azz said:

alphastreet said:

There is always janet's This Time and What About and Trust a Try, very, very underrated. But I hear MJ and Prince influences all over them anyways....

Everyone is inspired. Besides, I hear some of Janets infleunce in MJs music. Afterall, he was extremely fond of Rhythm Nation. He even gave Rhythm Nation to Rodney Jerkins.

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Yeah I agree that it also applies to MJ and some of his younger fans aren't really aware either, but they just act different from janet fans about it.

I can understand if someone prefers janet's songs to michael's, and though she's talented, michael is way more talented and in a class of his own. His singing, dancing and songwriting is superior to hers even though she's good too, although she cowrites most of her stuff and I believe her producers are more responsible for it than they get credit for.

LiLi1992 said:

Azz said:

I agree, but that's not saying a lot. 99% of the world's more normal than Michael ...

It actually seems like many MJ fans are threatened by Janet's success, and the fact her quality of music is equal or arguably higher.

Wow

it's sad.

I think it's very very very few people (not fans of Jackson) will agree with your last statement.
By the way, how many songs written by Janet without co-?

Sorry, but MJ is clearly more talented than any of the other Jackson, it's not just an opinion, it is almost a fact of objective reality.

I have never pitted Michael against his parents nor his siblings, apart from Janet, but that was not of my own accord.

MJ is more talented, never denied that.

Those who are not fans of Jacksons, will not have dwelled adaquetly enough into either of their catalogues to come to a conclusion that I would take notice of.

Few songs she has written by herself. She wrote Black Cat by herself, which is a great song which topped both Hot 100 and Rock charts. So an argument that she is incapable of doing so, or that she claims rights unrightfully so, are false.

Even so, writing songs as a team with Terry & Lewis in no way dampens her creativity or talent.

I feel her music spanned more genres, more topics, and is more versatile than Michaels. Her music has more soul also, and is easier to connect with as it sounds more genuine. But again, just my opinion. I feel, her albums, as a whole are better. Where as, Michael had individual songs which are without doubt superior.

LiLi1992 said:

Azz said:

I agree, but that's not saying a lot. 99% of the world's more normal than Michael ...

It actually seems like many MJ fans are threatened by Janet's success, and the fact her quality of music is equal or arguably higher.

Wow

it's sad.

I think it's very very very few people (not fans of Jackson) will agree with your last statement.
By the way, how many songs written by Janet without co-?

Sorry, but MJ is clearly more talented than any of the other Jackson, it's not just an opinion, it is almost a fact of objective reality.

Azz said:

I feel her music spanned more genres, more topics, and is more versatile than Michaels. Her music has more soul also, and is easier to connect with as it sounds more genuine. But again, just my opinion. I feel, her albums, as a whole are better. Where as, Michael had individual songs which are without doubt superior.

I will not write that I like Janets music, because it's not true.
Yes, sometimes I think that the music of Michael is a little soulless, despite the emotional lyrics, but he was the soloist in the group as well, in the 11-12 years he had more soul than many artists could even dream of.
Michael had his musical style .... a mix r.n.b / pop mostly, he had his vocal style, he had his dance style ... yes, some people believe that it was monotonous since the 80's, but it is his way, everyone in the world knows how sing Jackson, dance Jackson, etc. + MJ wrote the music and lyrics to many of his songs. He's not the greatest songwriter ever, and not even one of the greatest, but he was good, it makes his music a priori to a higher position than his colleagues in pop music. imho

And he has a Grammy in 3 different styles of music: pop, rock, r n b. He not only used different styles, he had worldwide success in them, too.
I do not like to compare Michael and Janet, because:
1) Michael wins on all counts, so it`s not even fair;
2) I like Michael (he is about number 4 or 5 in the list of my favorite artists EVER) and I am not a fan of Janet, so this comparison is meaningless to me, though I try to be fair and impartial.

How did a thread about Janet get Michael involved?

Lawd....

I wouldn't be surprised if Janet is depressed or has emotional problems. The woman went through plenty of tragedy in her life...more than any woman should.

And if she is, it's really none of y'all's business. As if saying she has mental/emotional issues will some how discredit her as a person.

Get a life and grow some humanity, the lot of you.

Azz said:

1) Janet is an international star

2) The public have always said Janet is the normal Jackson. But the only people who are obsessing over that, are MJ fans. But in reality and in comparison, she is normal compared to Michael.

3) Paula was with Janet for like a year or two, Janet's career has spanned decades. Therefore the use of the world 'alot' is false. Tina is behind alot of Janets iconic choreography.

4) 'Control' did pioneer New Jack Swing. But ofcourse you will never accept that, as MJ with help from Teddy Riley later created their own New Jack Swing album.

5) Every fan base makes malicious comments about various artists, MJ's fans can sometimes be the worse. I saw MJ fans bullying and sending death threats to a 14 year old girl after getting permission from Paris. I don't know why you are acting as if you're surprised it happens.

6) Janet fans believe TMZ? That's funny, considering MJ fans have recently been beleiving every word that TMZ has spued against Janet.

7) If you actually open your eyes, you would realise that majority of Janet fans think of MJ highly (in terms of talent anyway) and site him as their favourite artist following Janet.

8) It actually seems like many MJ fans are threatened by Janet's success, and the fact her quality of music is equal or arguably higher.

9) You can't 'know' that someone is more talented, better at dancing, better at singing and better concerts. You are just reaching and chatting rubbish now. It's all about perspective and opinion. And in my opinion Janet is not more talented, nor better at dancing or singing. But I consider her creativity, quality of music to be of equal standard as MJ's, if not higher. Also her 'TVR' tour is the best tour out of both of them.

I don't see the point of your rant anyway.

[Edited 8/22/12 9:20am]

Firstly it is important to really read posts before jumping the gun... if you do that you might have a clearer understanding of where folks are coming from instead of getting excited and defensive.

1) I have never said Janet was not a international superstar but if you notice in my post I said Janet fans seem to think Janet is this BIG international star......... which she is not and yes there is a difference between being a big international star versus being a international star. Janet currently is not a big international star as she was during Janet era, Velvet Rope era, and even All4U and some of her fans delusionally think she is and some even call her a global star which she never was to begin with.

2.) How are MJ fans the ones obesessing over Janet being normal? In each of the threads I have gone on Janet xone since way before you even joined the site in any Jackson related topic Janet has always constantly been referenced as the perfect Jackson that has done no wrong. This is not about the media and what the media thinks. This is about Janet forums and Janet fans. Lets please stay on topic.... this is NOT about Michael and we know you love bringing him up just to bash him.

3) Paula is just as much a big part of Janets dance choregraphies the same as Tina and I personally think Paulas impact on Janet was more important because Control era was the era that really made Janet be taken more seriously as an artist. That was not Janet first attempt at music. She had 2 failed attempts aT first and with the help of Jimmy/Terry she was able to break out and become a superstar.

I aint mad at Janet she worked hard BUT please GIVE credit where it is dued.

Paula has everything to do with Janets iconic CHOREGRAPHIES d it doesnt matter if it was just for CONTROL...those dances still have a big impact TODAY and PAULA choregraphed ALL OF THEM and is a trained dancer. Paula was a high in demand choregrapher during that period.

4) LOL Why are you bringing up Michael when this conversation isnt about him? What does Teddy Riley have to do with this conversation?

Janet fans claim Janet innovated New Jack Swing with Control. Do you know what that means? That is suggesting that Janet created a genre all her own and I am sorry but that is false.

Teddy Riley created the genre WAY BEFORE CONTROL EVEN CAME OUT. Jimmy and Terry saw that New Jack Swing was a popular mainstream genre at the time and incorporated that sound along with the Minnapolis sound in making Control and RN. So no Janet did not create the genre but along with quite a few other artists she popularized the genre.

5) I am not acting like I am surprised it happens. I was SHOCKED that a fan would say that about an artist that is the brother of the artist they admire but even if Janet and Michael were not related its a very disrespectful thing to say. And why are you minizing what was said... that was evil and nasty.

6) Its funny because its about JANET but all on Janet xone when they make reports that bashes the family the fans run to believe TMZ... so please quit with that bullshit.

7) NO sorry but that is false... I have heard countless and countless and countless times on some Janet sites that they are not Michael fans, bash him and even say that Janet is more talented and has better music... ALOT of this occurs on her forums.And when the VERY few standup for Michael they are labeled a stan, banned or bashed relentlessly.

8) How can fans be threatened by Janets success when Janets success is no where near what Michael has achieved? I am not trying to downgrade Janet but she hasnt been as successful as Micahel for MJ fans to feel jealous about anything

And if you feel her music is better than Michaels than that is YOUR opinion and while I disagree you are entitled to it..

9) I never made the comparision between Michael and JAnet.... I am just saying what OTHER JANET fans have said ABOUT MJ. I didnt say those things.

TVR is Janets best tour and I love it but it is not better than Michaels BAD tour or even the Victory tour.

The point is its my observation of Janet fans over the years and I have a right to express it on this message board... thats the point

LiLi1992 said:

Azz said:

I feel her music spanned more genres, more topics, and is more versatile than Michaels. Her music has more soul also, and is easier to connect with as it sounds more genuine. But again, just my opinion. I feel, her albums, as a whole are better. Where as, Michael had individual songs which are without doubt superior.

I will not write that I like Janets music, because it's not true.
Yes, sometimes I think that the music of Michael is a little soulless, despite the emotional lyrics, but he was the soloist in the group as well, in the 11-12 years he had more soul than many artists could even dream of.
Michael had his musical style .... a mix r.n.b / pop mostly, he had his vocal style, he had his dance style ... yes, some people believe that it was monotonous since the 80's, but it is his way, everyone in the world knows how sing Jackson, dance Jackson, etc. + MJ wrote the music and lyrics to many of his songs. He's not the greatest songwriter ever, and not even one of the greatest, but he was good, it makes his music a priori to a higher position than his colleagues in pop music. imho

And he has a Grammy in 3 different styles of music: pop, rock, r n b. He not only used different styles, he had worldwide success in them, too.
I do not like to compare Michael and Janet, because:
1) Michael wins on all counts, so it`s not even fair;
2) I like Michael (he is about number 4 or 5 in the list of my favorite artists EVER) and I am not a fan of Janet, so this comparison is meaningless to me, though I try to be fair and impartial.

I agree

(Janet Jackson would become the first and only artist to be nominated in the Pop, R&B, Dance, Rock and Rap fields of the Grammy awards and would be the only artist to have a charted single on those charts including the Adult Contemporary charts where she has reached #1 with 1990's Come Back to Me.)

I don't disagree with anything you have said TBH.

BTW, are you a Madonna fan?

[Edited 8/22/12 11:10am]

Azz said:

LiLi1992 said:

I will not write that I like Janets music, because it's not true.
Yes, sometimes I think that the music of Michael is a little soulless, despite the emotional lyrics, but he was the soloist in the group as well, in the 11-12 years he had more soul than many artists could even dream of.
Michael had his musical style .... a mix r.n.b / pop mostly, he had his vocal style, he had his dance style ... yes, some people believe that it was monotonous since the 80's, but it is his way, everyone in the world knows how sing Jackson, dance Jackson, etc. + MJ wrote the music and lyrics to many of his songs. He's not the greatest songwriter ever, and not even one of the greatest, but he was good, it makes his music a priori to a higher position than his colleagues in pop music. imho

And he has a Grammy in 3 different styles of music: pop, rock, r n b. He not only used different styles, he had worldwide success in them, too.
I do not like to compare Michael and Janet, because:
1) Michael wins on all counts, so it`s not even fair;
2) I like Michael (he is about number 4 or 5 in the list of my favorite artists EVER) and I am not a fan of Janet, so this comparison is meaningless to me, though I try to be fair and impartial.

I agree

(Janet Jackson would become the first and only artist to be nominated in the Pop, R&B, Dance, Rock and Rap fields of the Grammy awards and would be the only artist to have a charted single on those charts including the Adult Contemporary charts where she has reached #1 with 1990's Come Back to Me.)

I don't disagree with anything you have said TBH.

BTW, are you a Madonna fan?

[Edited 8/22/12 11:10am]

For my mental health, I've decided to steer clear of this thread...

Azz said:

BTW, are you a Madonna fan?

[Edited 8/22/12 11:10am]

I can not say that I'm a fan, but I like 3 albums and dozens of songs, I even had a concert recently. I think Madonna is a brilliant marketer with tremendous flair for what is necessary to the public, workaholic, but she is not talented as an artist, imho.

When I set a list of top 100 of my favorite artists ever for another forum, Madonna was between 85 and 90 seats, Michael was on the 7th (although sometimes even 4th for me, as now, when I'm waiting for new songs session "Bad" ), Prince - on the 6th...the first three places for me for a long time the same: The Beatles, Scorpions, Pink Floyd .... everything else is changed periodically in my life ...

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

1) Janet is an international star

2) The public have always said Janet is the normal Jackson. But the only people who are obsessing over that, are MJ fans. But in reality and in comparison, she is normal compared to Michael.

3) Paula was with Janet for like a year or two, Janet's career has spanned decades. Therefore the use of the world 'alot' is false. Tina is behind alot of Janets iconic choreography.

4) 'Control' did pioneer New Jack Swing. But ofcourse you will never accept that, as MJ with help from Teddy Riley later created their own New Jack Swing album.

5) Every fan base makes malicious comments about various artists, MJ's fans can sometimes be the worse. I saw MJ fans bullying and sending death threats to a 14 year old girl after getting permission from Paris. I don't know why you are acting as if you're surprised it happens.

6) Janet fans believe TMZ? That's funny, considering MJ fans have recently been beleiving every word that TMZ has spued against Janet.

7) If you actually open your eyes, you would realise that majority of Janet fans think of MJ highly (in terms of talent anyway) and site him as their favourite artist following Janet.

8) It actually seems like many MJ fans are threatened by Janet's success, and the fact her quality of music is equal or arguably higher.

9) You can't 'know' that someone is more talented, better at dancing, better at singing and better concerts. You are just reaching and chatting rubbish now. It's all about perspective and opinion. And in my opinion Janet is not more talented, nor better at dancing or singing. But I consider her creativity, quality of music to be of equal standard as MJ's, if not higher. Also her 'TVR' tour is the best tour out of both of them.

I don't see the point of your rant anyway.

[Edited 8/22/12 9:20am]

Firstly it is important to really read posts before jumping the gun... if you do that you might have a clearer understanding of where folks are coming from instead of getting excited and defensive.

1) I have never said Janet was not a international superstar but if you notice in my post I said Janet fans seem to think Janet is this BIG international star......... which she is not and yes there is a difference between being a big international star versus being a international star. Janet currently is not a big international star as she was during Janet era, Velvet Rope era, and even All4U and some of her fans delusionally think she is and some even call her a global star which she never was to begin with.

2.) How are MJ fans the ones obesessing over Janet being normal? In each of the threads I have gone on Janet xone since way before you even joined the site in any Jackson related topic Janet has always constantly been referenced as the perfect Jackson that has done no wrong. This is not about the media and what the media thinks. This is about Janet forums and Janet fans. Lets please stay on topic.... this is NOT about Michael and we know you love bringing him up just to bash him.

3) Paula is just as much a big part of Janets dance choregraphies the same as Tina and I personally think Paulas impact on Janet was more important because Control era was the era that really made Janet be taken more seriously as an artist. That was not Janet first attempt at music. She had 2 failed attempts aT first and with the help of Jimmy/Terry she was able to break out and become a superstar.

I aint mad at Janet she worked hard BUT please GIVE credit where it is dued.

Paula has everything to do with Janets iconic CHOREGRAPHIES d it doesnt matter if it was just for CONTROL...those dances still have a big impact TODAY and PAULA choregraphed ALL OF THEM and is a trained dancer. Paula was a high in demand choregrapher during that period.

4) LOL Why are you bringing up Michael when this conversation isnt about him? What does Teddy Riley have to do with this conversation?

Janet fans claim Janet innovated New Jack Swing with Control. Do you know what that means? That is suggesting that Janet created a genre all her own and I am sorry but that is false.

Teddy Riley created the genre WAY BEFORE CONTROL EVEN CAME OUT. Jimmy and Terry saw that New Jack Swing was a popular mainstream genre at the time and incorporated that sound along with the Minnapolis sound in making Control and RN. So no Janet did not create the genre but along with quite a few other artists she popularized the genre.

5) I am not acting like I am surprised it happens. I was SHOCKED that a fan would say that about an artist that is the brother of the artist they admire but even if Janet and Michael were not related its a very disrespectful thing to say. And why are you minizing what was said... that was evil and nasty.

6) Its funny because its about JANET but all on Janet xone when they make reports that bashes the family the fans run to believe TMZ... so please quit with that bullshit.

7) NO sorry but that is false... I have heard countless and countless and countless times on some Janet sites that they are not Michael fans, bash him and even say that Janet is more talented and has better music... ALOT of this occurs on her forums.And when the VERY few standup for Michael they are labeled a stan, banned or bashed relentlessly.

8) How can fans be threatened by Janets success when Janets success is no where near what Michael has achieved? I am not trying to downgrade Janet but she hasnt been as successful as Micahel for MJ fans to feel jealous about anything

And if you feel her music is better than Michaels than that is YOUR opinion and while I disagree you are entitled to it..

9) I never made the comparision between Michael and JAnet.... I am just saying what OTHER JANET fans have said ABOUT MJ. I didnt say those things.

TVR is Janets best tour and I love it but it is not better than Michaels BAD tour or even the Victory tour.

The point is its my observation of Janet fans over the years and I have a right to express it on this message board... thats the point

There's just no talking to you. You will never meet a medium ground when discussing, instead you chose to go back and forth continuously.

LiLi1992 said:

Azz said:

BTW, are you a Madonna fan?

[Edited 8/22/12 11:10am]

I can not say that I'm a fan, but I like 3 albums and dozens of songs, I even had a concert recently. I think Madonna is a brilliant marketer with tremendous flair for what is necessary to the public, workaholic, but she is not talented as an artist, imho.

When I set a list of top 100 of my favorite artists ever for another forum, Madonna was between 85 and 90 seats, Michael was on the 7th (although sometimes even 4th for me, as now, when I'm waiting for new songs session "Bad" ), Prince - on the 6th...the first three places for me for a long time the same: The Beatles, Scorpions, Pink Floyd .... everything else is changed periodically in my life ...

I see. I would like to see this list What is it that you dislike about Janet or her music?

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Firstly it is important to really read posts before jumping the gun... if you do that you might have a clearer understanding of where folks are coming from instead of getting excited and defensive.

1) I have never said Janet was not a international superstar but if you notice in my post I said Janet fans seem to think Janet is this BIG international star......... which she is not and yes there is a difference between being a big international star versus being a international star. Janet currently is not a big international star as she was during Janet era, Velvet Rope era, and even All4U and some of her fans delusionally think she is and some even call her a global star which she never was to begin with.

2.) How are MJ fans the ones obesessing over Janet being normal? In each of the threads I have gone on Janet xone since way before you even joined the site in any Jackson related topic Janet has always constantly been referenced as the perfect Jackson that has done no wrong. This is not about the media and what the media thinks. This is about Janet forums and Janet fans. Lets please stay on topic.... this is NOT about Michael and we know you love bringing him up just to bash him.

3) Paula is just as much a big part of Janets dance choregraphies the same as Tina and I personally think Paulas impact on Janet was more important because Control era was the era that really made Janet be taken more seriously as an artist. That was not Janet first attempt at music. She had 2 failed attempts aT first and with the help of Jimmy/Terry she was able to break out and become a superstar.

I aint mad at Janet she worked hard BUT please GIVE credit where it is dued.

Paula has everything to do with Janets iconic CHOREGRAPHIES d it doesnt matter if it was just for CONTROL...those dances still have a big impact TODAY and PAULA choregraphed ALL OF THEM and is a trained dancer. Paula was a high in demand choregrapher during that period.

4) LOL Why are you bringing up Michael when this conversation isnt about him? What does Teddy Riley have to do with this conversation?

Janet fans claim Janet innovated New Jack Swing with Control. Do you know what that means? That is suggesting that Janet created a genre all her own and I am sorry but that is false.

Teddy Riley created the genre WAY BEFORE CONTROL EVEN CAME OUT. Jimmy and Terry saw that New Jack Swing was a popular mainstream genre at the time and incorporated that sound along with the Minnapolis sound in making Control and RN. So no Janet did not create the genre but along with quite a few other artists she popularized the genre.

5) I am not acting like I am surprised it happens. I was SHOCKED that a fan would say that about an artist that is the brother of the artist they admire but even if Janet and Michael were not related its a very disrespectful thing to say. And why are you minizing what was said... that was evil and nasty.

6) Its funny because its about JANET but all on Janet xone when they make reports that bashes the family the fans run to believe TMZ... so please quit with that bullshit.

7) NO sorry but that is false... I have heard countless and countless and countless times on some Janet sites that they are not Michael fans, bash him and even say that Janet is more talented and has better music... ALOT of this occurs on her forums.And when the VERY few standup for Michael they are labeled a stan, banned or bashed relentlessly.

8) How can fans be threatened by Janets success when Janets success is no where near what Michael has achieved? I am not trying to downgrade Janet but she hasnt been as successful as Micahel for MJ fans to feel jealous about anything

And if you feel her music is better than Michaels than that is YOUR opinion and while I disagree you are entitled to it..

9) I never made the comparision between Michael and JAnet.... I am just saying what OTHER JANET fans have said ABOUT MJ. I didnt say those things.

TVR is Janets best tour and I love it but it is not better than Michaels BAD tour or even the Victory tour.

The point is its my observation of Janet fans over the years and I have a right to express it on this message board... thats the point

There's just no talking to you. You will never meet a medium ground when discussing, instead you chose to go back and forth continuously.

You can not objectively have a conversation about Janet or ANY Jackson without bashing Michael. That post was as rational as it gets.

Sean? Was that you in the comments section?

http://www.listaholic.com...-sing.html

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

There's just no talking to you. You will never meet a medium ground when discussing, instead you chose to go back and forth continuously.

You can not objectively have a conversation about Janet or ANY Jackson without bashing Michael. That post was as rational as it gets.

My post was rational, strikingly mild in comparison to yours. And I did not bash Michael Jackson in it. So once again, there is no talking to you. You already have extreme and set opinions that won't change no matter what is revealed to you.

Adisa said:

Sean? Was that you in the comments section?

http://www.listaholic.com...-sing.html

The journalist who wrote this can't write well herself. But they still get paid to do so.

[Edited 8/22/12 11:56am]

reAzz said:

mjscarousal said:

You can not objectively have a conversation about Janet or ANY Jackson without bashing Michael. That post was as rational as it gets.

My post was rational, strikingly mild in comparison to yours. And I did not bash Michael Jackson in it. So once again, there is no talking to you. You already have extreme and set opinions that won't change no matter what is revealed to you.

Azz you brought Michael up a variety of times in your response to my post about Janet. You bring up Michael when it is unnessary to and most of the times it is to justify anything related to Janet. It was unnessary to bring up you thnking VR was better than Michaels tours.... it was unnessary to bring up Teddy Riley worked with Michael when most of my post was talking about what Janet fans have said ABOUT JANET not about ANYONE else... they were NOT my own opinions. You dont see yourself or realize it when you type.

[Edited 8/22/12 11:58am]

Azz said:

LiLi1992 said:

I can not say that I'm a fan, but I like 3 albums and dozens of songs, I even had a concert recently. I think Madonna is a brilliant marketer with tremendous flair for what is necessary to the public, workaholic, but she is not talented as an artist, imho.

When I set a list of top 100 of my favorite artists ever for another forum, Madonna was between 85 and 90 seats, Michael was on the 7th (although sometimes even 4th for me, as now, when I'm waiting for new songs session "Bad" ), Prince - on the 6th...the first three places for me for a long time the same: The Beatles, Scorpions, Pink Floyd .... everything else is changed periodically in my life ...

I see. I would like to see this list What is it that you dislike about Janet or her music?

It's rock-oriented list ... in which 70-75 positions of the 100 occupied rock bands and artists.

I REALLY don`t like her voice .... her constant whisper ... she is incredibly weak vocalist. I think that if stronger singer or singer with a more enjoyable than her voice, performed these songs, I would liked many of her songs. But if I absolutely don`t like the vocal - I usually don`t listen to the song. In my opinion, it is quite global cause

mjscarousal said:

Stymie said:

mjscarousal said: oh please. No one is hating on you guys. Some of you say some pretty hateful shit and called on it some of you want to play victim. And this is why I don't post o any thread with the last name Jackson.

Oh boo who nobody made you come in here. And nobody hasnt done anything to you

Save your sobs for somebody that gives a shit ....... And you have came in here and have been disrespectful and nasty for no reason.

Kibbles has tried and tried and tried and tried to be rational with you and took the time and patience to explain his or her point.....(I would not have done that I would have just sat here and cussed your disrespectful ass out) but regardless a poster came and tried to understand your point and explain their point but you persisted in being nasty but then turn around and say some bullshit that your tired of coming into Jackson threads and that people have been hateful........ WHO has been hateful to you in THIS THREAD? YOU have been doing most of the raving in here at someone trying to maturely understand your point.

I dont see what MJ fans as WHOLE have to do with somebody trying to explain their opinion to you in this thread. Thats the problem. To many generalizations being made of what certain stans are or are not and not enough of being open minded and respectful to someone elses opinion but then the person expects for their opinion to be respected..

mjscarousal said:

reAzz said:

My post was rational, strikingly mild in comparison to yours. And I did not bash Michael Jackson in it. So once again, there is no talking to you. You already have extreme and set opinions that won't change no matter what is revealed to you.

Azz you brought Michael up a variety of times in your response to my post about Janet. You bring up Michael when it is unnessary to and most of the times it is to justify anything related to Janet. It was unnessary to bring up you thnking VR was better than Michaels tours.... it was unnessary to bring up Teddy Riley worked with Michael when most of my post was talking about what Janet fans have said ABOUT JANET not about ANYONE else... they were NOT my own opinions. You dont see yourself or realize it when you type.

[Edited 8/22/12 11:58am]

It was necessary to bring up Michael. As you are commenting on Janet, and Janet's fans from an MJ stans perspective. A perspective which you are blinded by.

LiLi1992 said:

Azz said:

I see. I would like to see this list What is it that you dislike about Janet or her music?

It's rock-oriented list ... in which 70-75 positions of the 100 occupied rock bands and artists.

I REALLY don`t like her voice .... her constant whisper ... she is incredibly weak vocalist. I think that if stronger singer or singer with a more enjoyable than her voice, performed these songs, I would liked many of her songs. But if I absolutely don`t like the vocal - I usually don`t listen to the song. In my opinion, it is quite global cause

I see. I actually find that an endearing quality - on a track.

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

Azz you brought Michael up a variety of times in your response to my post about Janet. You bring up Michael when it is unnessary to and most of the times it is to justify anything related to Janet. It was unnessary to bring up you thnking VR was better than Michaels tours.... it was unnessary to bring up Teddy Riley worked with Michael when most of my post was talking about what Janet fans have said ABOUT JANET not about ANYONE else... they were NOT my own opinions. You dont see yourself or realize it when you type.

[Edited 8/22/12 11:58am]

It was necessary to bring up Michael. As you are commenting on Janet, and Janet's fans from an MJ stans perspective. A perspective which you are blinded by.

Huh

Well maybe because THIS THREAD is about JANET and not Michael. and No it was not necessary to bring Michael up

mjscarousal said:

Firstly it is important to really read posts before jumping the gun... if you do that you might have a clearer understanding of where folks are coming from instead of getting excited and defensive.

1) I have never said Janet was not a international superstar but if you notice in my post I said Janet fans seem to think Janet is this BIG international star......... which she is not and yes there is a difference between being a big international star versus being a international star. Janet currently is not a big international star as she was during Janet era, Velvet Rope era, and even All4U and some of her fans delusionally think she is and some even call her a global star which she never was to begin with.

2.) How are MJ fans the ones obesessing over Janet being normal? In each of the threads I have gone on Janet xone since way before you even joined the site in any Jackson related topic Janet has always constantly been referenced as the perfect Jackson that has done no wrong. This is not about the media and what the media thinks. This is about Janet forums and Janet fans. Lets please stay on topic.... this is NOT about Michael and we know you love bringing him up just to bash him.

3) Paula is just as much a big part of Janets dance choregraphies the same as Tina and I personally think Paulas impact on Janet was more important because Control era was the era that really made Janet be taken more seriously as an artist. That was not Janet first attempt at music. She had 2 failed attempts aT first and with the help of Jimmy/Terry she was able to break out and become a superstar.

I aint mad at Janet she worked hard BUT please GIVE credit where it is dued.

Paula has everything to do with Janets iconic CHOREGRAPHIES d it doesnt matter if it was just for CONTROL...those dances still have a big impact TODAY and PAULA choregraphed ALL OF THEM and is a trained dancer. Paula was a high in demand choregrapher during that period.

4) LOL Why are you bringing up Michael when this conversation isnt about him? What does Teddy Riley have to do with this conversation?

Janet fans claim Janet innovated New Jack Swing with Control. Do you know what that means? That is suggesting that Janet created a genre all her own and I am sorry but that is false.

Teddy Riley created the genre WAY BEFORE CONTROL EVEN CAME OUT. Jimmy and Terry saw that New Jack Swing was a popular mainstream genre at the time and incorporated that sound along with the Minnapolis sound in making Control and RN. So no Janet did not create the genre but along with quite a few other artists she popularized the genre.

5) I am not acting like I am surprised it happens. I was SHOCKED that a fan would say that about an artist that is the brother of the artist they admire but even if Janet and Michael were not related its a very disrespectful thing to say. And why are you minizing what was said... that was evil and nasty.

6) Its funny because its about JANET but all on Janet xone when they make reports that bashes the family the fans run to believe TMZ... so please quit with that bullshit.

7) NO sorry but that is false... I have heard countless and countless and countless times on some Janet sites that they are not Michael fans, bash him and even say that Janet is more talented and has better music... ALOT of this occurs on her forums.And when the VERY few standup for Michael they are labeled a stan, banned or bashed relentlessly.

8) How can fans be threatened by Janets success when Janets success is no where near what Michael has achieved? I am not trying to downgrade Janet but she hasnt been as successful as Micahel for MJ fans to feel jealous about anything

And if you feel her music is better than Michaels than that is YOUR opinion and while I disagree you are entitled to it..

9) I never made the comparision between Michael and JAnet.... I am just saying what OTHER JANET fans have said ABOUT MJ. I didnt say those things.

TVR is Janets best tour and I love it but it is not better than Michaels BAD tour or even the Victory tour.

The point is its my observation of Janet fans over the years and I have a right to express it on this message board... thats the point

Awesome....

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

It was necessary to bring up Michael. As you are commenting on Janet, and Janet's fans from an MJ stans perspective. A perspective which you are blinded by.

Huh

Well maybe because THIS THREAD is about JANET and not Michael. and No it was not necessary to bring Michael up

In simple terms: You only say what you say because you are an MJ fan. It affects and blinds your opinion on everything related. Therefore to adress the reasoning behind what you said about Janet, I must first adress why an MJ fan might say it. Comprehend?

NoVideo said:

The whole family has always been various shades of nutso.

The Jacksons are one of THE greatest dysfunctional families of all times.

Adisa said:

Sean? Was that you in the comments section?

http://www.listaholic.com...-sing.html

JANET CAN SING UGLY!

TOGETHER AGAIN
ALL FOR YOU
RHYTHM NATION
AGAIN
STATE OF THE WORLD
I GET LONELY
LETS WAIT AWHILE
COME BACK TO ME
ANYTIME, ANYPLACE
SCREAM FEAT. MJ
BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE FEAT. LUTHER V.
I KNOW THE TRUTH FEAT. ELTON JOHN
MAKE ME
NOTHING
CURTAINS
DAYS GO BY
ROLL WITCHU
PLEASURE PRINCIPLE
IF
BECAUSE OF LOVE
WHAT ABOUT
VELVET ROPE
THATS THE WAY LOVE GOES

ETC..

JANET BANK ACCOUNT SLAYS YOU UGLY! AND SO DOES HER TALENT.

BTW JANET IS 43 YEARS OF AGE AND LOOKS 23! YOU UGLY APE!