I think not debuting All Nite Don't Stop and making it the first single was the biggest mistake of her career. Justin Timberlake's first album era was already up by then too, so it was so pointless sticking him in and I thought they were going to do a MJ-Britney or something. But I wasn't feeling the RN and All For You choreography much either though the Knowledge was well done. Maybe a remix of Nasty, RN/The Knowledge, and If merged with All Nite Don't Stop smoothly would have worked really well. It should have been well prepared like the 2006 Billboard Awards performance, and if she wanted a special guest, it could have been Elephant Man and they could have used a bit of their remix for it. Heck, I should have managed Janet instead of the crappy people she had for the majority of the 00's. And Velvet Rope had one of the most amazing stage sets I had ever seen and the best concert I've attended, she definitely has the whole package.

What in the Aretha Fucklin is going on in this thread? The Super Bowl is OVAAAAA.

It's been about a week now.

alphastreet said:

I think not debuting All Nite Don't Stop and making it the first single was the biggest mistake of her career. Justin Timberlake's first album era was already up by then too, so it was so pointless sticking him in and I thought they were going to do a MJ-Britney or something. But I wasn't feeling the RN and All For You choreography much either though the Knowledge was well done. Maybe a remix of Nasty, RN/The Knowledge, and If merged with All Nite Don't Stop smoothly would have worked really well. It should have been well prepared like the 2006 Billboard Awards performance, and if she wanted a special guest, it could have been Elephant Man and they could have used a bit of their remix for it. Heck, I should have managed Janet instead of the crappy people she had for the majority of the 00's. And Velvet Rope had one of the most amazing stage sets I had ever seen and the best concert I've attended, she definitely has the whole package.

I agree that All Nite should have been debuted at the SB and should have been the lead-off single from DJ. From what I've heard, Just a Little While leaked, and the record company decided that since it had been leaked, why not make it the first single. As for the performance, instead of bringing JT out after The Knowledge, she should have just done All Nite (the full song).

musicjunky318 said:

What in the Aretha Fucklin is going on in this thread? The Super Bowl is OVAAAAA.

It's been about a week now.

Aretha Fuclin

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I have ALWAYS loved her style.... she can wear pants, dresses, baggy look, slick black etc and still be fly... Im always surprised with her looks nothing is the same... she looks great!

People are speculating that she's getting down to that "All For You" era weight. From the looks of that picture, she's not too far off.

She was way too skinny during AFY in my opinion. Lost all of her dunk, and her boobs looked strange. And YAS to All Nite being the lead single. I Want You? Seriously? No. Its kind of funny how Damita Jo sold 380K its first week (#2 debut, behind Usher's monster album) and was considered a flop. That was much higher first week sales than The Velvet Rope. When I think of a flop, I think of debuting/peaking outside the top 10 like Mariah's latter albums.

floetcist said:

SEANMAN said:

People are speculating that she's getting down to that "All For You" era weight. From the looks of that picture, she's not too far off.

She was way too skinny during AFY in my opinion. Lost all of her dunk, and her boobs looked strange. And YAS to All Nite being the lead single. I Want You? Seriously? No. Its kind of funny how Damita Jo sold 380K its first week (#2 debut, behind Usher's monster album) and was considered a flop. That was much higher first week sales than The Velvet Rope. When I think of a flop, I think of debuting/peaking outside the top 10 like Mariah's latter albums.

Right. And it was a #2 debut, which is quite impressive 22 years into a career. If Dj and 20 YO had debuted at #1 instead of #2, Janet would have 8 #1 US albums.

floetcist said:

SEANMAN said:

People are speculating that she's getting down to that "All For You" era weight. From the looks of that picture, she's not too far off.

She was way too skinny during AFY in my opinion. Lost all of her dunk, and her boobs looked strange. And YAS to All Nite being the lead single. I Want You? Seriously? No. Its kind of funny how Damita Jo sold 380K its first week (#2 debut, behind Usher's monster album) and was considered a flop. That was much higher first week sales than The Velvet Rope. When I think of a flop, I think of debuting/peaking outside the top 10 like Mariah's latter albums.

Mariah's lowest-peaking album was Glitter - #7.

The conception of DJ as a "flop" has a lot more to do with its longeivity versus its first week sales or chart peak. Compared to her previous efforts, it was a definite underperformer.

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I remember very well when Just a Little While leaked. I love the song, but it doesn't fit the rest of the album IMO and deviated away from the r&b/hip hop sound it had though I looooove pop/rock Janet and would love an album like that. I love the JALW jusblaze mix and think that could have been good for the Superbowl too.

The SB halftime show has rarely been used as an opportunity to launch new material, so I am not surprised that a new single was not performed by Janet. However, I still think at the very least that she needed to perform a new song and have it available for airplay the next day.

That said, there was nothing on Damita Jo that was realistically going to be a smash hit single, so...

VoicesCarry said:

The SB halftime show has rarely been used as an opportunity to launch new material, so I am not surprised that a new single was not performed by Janet. However, I still think at the very least that she needed to perform a new song and have it available for airplay the next day.

That said, there was nothing on Damita Jo that was realistically going to be a smash hit single, so...

All nite had potential, there were other songs with similar beats from 03-04, it had that reggaeton vibe to it mixed in with Herbie Hancock. Strawberry Bounce could have been a hit too, a lot of songs sounded like it years later, like Get Me Bodied and Single Ladies, and ironically, Jay Z was on it.

alphastreet said:

VoicesCarry said:

The SB halftime show has rarely been used as an opportunity to launch new material, so I am not surprised that a new single was not performed by Janet. However, I still think at the very least that she needed to perform a new song and have it available for airplay the next day.

That said, there was nothing on Damita Jo that was realistically going to be a smash hit single, so...

All nite had potential, there were other songs with similar beats from 03-04, it had that reggaeton vibe to it mixed in with Herbie Hancock. Strawberry Bounce could have been a hit too, a lot of songs sounded like it years later, like Get Me Bodied and Single Ladies, and ironically, Jay Z was on it.

None of the songs on DJ had the incredible hooks and undeniable melodies that characterize her biggest hits.

All Nite was essentially a looped sample with practically unintelligible vocals. I imagine it may have managed a Top 10 Hot 100 placement if she had debuted it at the SB and if the SB had no controversy associated with it, but it wouldn't have had longeivity. I've noticed that many fans feel that AN(DS) was the slam dunk hit that never was, but I don't see it.

Get Me Bodied was only a moderate Urban hit and did not receive any airplay at Top 40 (which by 2001 had evolved into Janet's core format), so I don't see how Strawberry Bounce would have taken off. And Single Ladies became a crossover phenomenon thanks in large part to its viral video and trademark choreography.

If she really wanted hits, she needed to go back into the studio and recut an entirely new album.

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Besides "All Nite", "Island Life" also had total hit potential written all over it. It was co-written by '90s artist Cathy Dennis (who also penned Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl").

SEANMAN said:

Besides "All Nite", "Island Life" also had total hit potential written all over it. It was co-written by '90s artist Cathy Dennis (who also penned Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl").

God I love this song! Along with Spending Time With You, my favorite song on the album!!!! 3/5 of my top 5 Janet songs are on Damita Jo! Very underrated album

SEANMAN said:

Besides "All Nite", "Island Life" also had total hit potential written all over it. It was co-written by '90s artist Cathy Dennis (who also penned Katy Perry's "I Kissed a Girl").

I think she would have had hits from Damita Jo without nipplegate. I could even picture I Want You getting good airplay. I remember many of the people (myself included) on boards I was on at the time were disappointed in Damita Jo when it came out, but I've grown to like it quite well. 20.YO and Discipline would have flopped no matter what. Fans seem to think any song that's catchy (like "Luv") is a potential hit, but they often aren't.

I did not know that about Cathy Dennis, "Island Life" sounds nothing like a "Can't Get You Out of my Head" or "Toxic."

SEANMAN said:

Janet leaving LAX today. She looks GOOD.

My god, it won't be long beofre all the famous Jackson's noses end up looking like skin tags.

Anyways, the Madonna performance wins easily. I'm not really that big a Madonna fan, and

I found her performance really good.

The Janet peroformance is.....not so good.

imago said:

SEANMAN said:

Janet leaving LAX today. She looks GOOD.

My god, it won't be long beofre all the famous Jackson's noses end up looking like skin tags.

Anyways, the Madonna performance wins easily. I'm not really that big a Madonna fan, and

I found her performance really good.

The Janet peroformance is.....not so good.

Oh well, considering you just had to make fun of Janet's (and the Jackson's) looks I can't really take your other opinion on the performance serious.

PatrickS77 said:

imago said:

My god, it won't be long beofre all the famous Jackson's noses end up looking like skin tags.

Anyways, the Madonna performance wins easily. I'm not really that big a Madonna fan, and

I found her performance really good.

The Janet peroformance is.....not so good.

Oh well, considering you just had to make fun of Janet's (and the Jackson's) looks I can't really take your other opinion on the performance serious.

agreed.

everyone i can remember *including Prince* suffer from the same few (or at least more than one of) things:

1) sound sucks

2) too short

3) over produced

4) reliance on others

5) song choice is not going to please everyone

Now 1 and 2 not the fault of the acts/

3 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, and relate to 5 in that they seem to be trying to please everyone. )(like the who did all 3 of the CSI songs for no other reason but because they were well know because of CSI. Prince did covers. Madonna had all those guests.

5) is hard for any act that would be there. As they have have more well know well loved songs that they have to leave some fan favorites out.

My advice: pick 4 or 5 of your best known songs and do them justice. the fact that you were asked means you are well know enough that you should be able to pull it off with your own songs.

Chill on the specitcal and just sing! Madonna spent so much of her time doing things other than singing she could have done another number or 2!

I am just happy she did not sing like a virgin.

PatrickS77 said:

imago said:

My god, it won't be long beofre all the famous Jackson's noses end up looking like skin tags.

Anyways, the Madonna performance wins easily. I'm not really that big a Madonna fan, and

I found her performance really good.

The Janet peroformance is.....not so good.

Oh well, considering you just had to make fun of Janet's (and the Jackson's) looks I can't really take your other opinion on the performance serious.

This.