let be real people these performance are 8 years apart....obviously madonna would have a better stage production
Exactly.
Take madonna out of that performance and it would still be the same ..she added absolutely nothing...she needed an entire roman army to command to make the performance memorable
Exactly.
with janet i will admit the production was weak and there could have been a better song selection plus she didnt need justin timberlake but the sheer energy of her performance..her aplity to command that attention without all the extra stuff ..now that a true performer...
Exactly.
listen to both crowds and see that they were more into janets 6minute performance than madonna's 30minute snoozefest
Exactly and on the grounds of Janet's performance being much shorter than Madonna's it's unfair to really compare the two. But if I have to, I would pick Janet.
if being over 50yrs means keeping some things covered up, here's proof!
i mean wtf!
“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
if being over 50yrs means keeping some things covered up, here's proof!
i mean wtf!
that's a perfectly fine +50s years old pussy
is that why the star was so prominently placed in that strategic location? u tho crazzzzeeee!
just kidding madonna, u know u are fine!
“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
It's a toss-up.....I love watching Super Bowl performances cuz they're always a bit over the top! Each performer is trying to out- perform the previous act. At least Madge didn't have a wardrobe malfunction to get attention However, she still commanded attention in her own way.
LMFAO, MIA, Nicki Minaj...?
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IDRAG4MJ said:
you know you dont even believed that
I absolutely do. Have you ever seen her do anything else, tour after tour, year in, year out? The only thing that changes is the costuming.
The All For You choreography was completely different, and she added a bunch of new stuff for Rhythm Nation.
If you want to talk about doing the same thing year after year, look at Michael's overrated Superbowl performance. Doing the same exact Billie Jean routine since Motown 25, skipping across the stage and finally children holding hands during Heal The World.
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White Americans, what? Nothing better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. -White Stripes
This is the truth. While I love both Madonna and Janet, their halftime shows paled in comparison to Miss Ross. But I guess people loved the fact that they "danced" lol
let be real people these performance are 8 years apart....obviously madonna would have a better stage production
Take madonna out of that performance and it would still be the same ..she added absolutely nothing...she needed an entire roman army to command to make the performance memorable
with janet i will admit the production was weak and there could have been a better song selection plus she didnt need justin timberlake but the sheer energy of her performance..her aplity to command that attention without all the extra stuff ..now that a true performer...
listen to both crowds and see that they were more into janets 6minute performance than madonna's 30minute snoozefest
Agree
I find it funny on this prince site that they would applaud Madonna just for her obvious better 2012 production compared to a weak 2004.
They would pick that OVER Janets kick ass stage presence and dancing REGARDLESS if we have seen it already.
BUT then bash Madonna for being overrated
weird shit
Obviously both were lack luster BUT at least you can clearly see where Janet's raw talent lies... which is being a great dance performer
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Sadly Majority of the World Picks Quantity over Quality
And this is where your Rihanna's, Katy Perry's, etc come from
If you want to talk about doing the same thing year after year, look at Michael's overrated Superbowl performance. Doing the same exact Billie Jean routine since Motown 25, skipping across the stage and finally children holding hands during Heal The World.
If you want to talk about doing the same thing year after year, look at Michael's overrated Superbowl performance. Doing the same exact Billie Jean routine since Motown 25, skipping across the stage and finally children holding hands during Heal The World.
no disagreement there.
As much as I love my wittle Jherri curl I have to agree. And his freestyles werent even freestyles, they were moves he got from James brown.
But at the same time maybe people didnt want MJ to change. sadly men dont "Get old" in the music industry, only women.
As much as I love my wittle Jherri curl I have to agree. And his freestyles werent even freestyles, they were moves he got from James brown.
But at the same time maybe people didnt want MJ to change. sadly men dont "Get old" in the music industry, only women.
I think MJ didn't want to change. Or if he did, he was afraid to, and that's why he kept making the same songs/albums over and over and over and doing the same stage show with the same choreography and themes every time he toured.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
To be honest, I don't know why Michael and Madonna are even compared. Same with Janet and Madonna in this thread.
To be honest, I don't know why Michael and Madonna are even compared. Same with Janet and Madonna in this thread.
You don't? Really? In this last 25 years, you haven't figured it out? Come on now....
Oh no I did. I've been figuring it out. The only comparison is that they were big '80s stars. When you separate them, they're not similar. None of them.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
Yeah! And as a casual Madonna... well, fan... I kinda hate what she does.. I mean, when I go to her show, I wanna see the songs the way they originally were and I wanna hear the old songs... so of the 3 shows I saw, I hated Drowned World the most, as there were mostly no old songs and the ones she did were in strange versions.... and the same applies to Michael, casual people wanna see his trademark stuff, while I, as a fan, who has seen his stuff a million times, would have loved if he would have drastically changed up his stuff. So as an artist really, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is no way to please them all.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
To be honest, I don't know why Michael and Madonna are even compared. Same with Janet and Madonna in this thread.
While never being a mj fan I can see that he did kinda get trapped in a world of his own making and couldnt break free without the fear of losing his fans.
The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
Yeah! And as a casual Madonna... well, fan... I kinda hate what she does.. I mean, when I go to her show, I wanna see the songs the way they originally were and I wanna hear the old songs... so of the 3 shows I saw, I hated Drowned World the most, as there were mostly no old songs and the ones she did were in strange versions.... and the same applies to Michael, casual people wanna see his trademark stuff, while I, as a fan, who has seen his stuff a million times, would have loved if he would have drastically changed up his stuff. So as an artist really, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is no way to please them all.
Yeah you can't expect Michael or Madonna or even Prince to always live up to expectations. That's why I couldn't compare because it's all different situations.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
Yeah! And as a casual Madonna... well, fan... I kinda hate what she does.. I mean, when I go to her show, I wanna see the songs the way they originally were and I wanna hear the old songs... so of the 3 shows I saw, I hated Drowned World the most, as there were mostly no old songs and the ones she did were in strange versions.... and the same applies to Michael, casual people wanna see his trademark stuff, while I, as a fan, who has seen his stuff a million times, would have loved if he would have drastically changed up his stuff. So as an artist really, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is no way to please them all.
But we know which one works for artistic vision and which one doesn't. While Madonna has continued to climb mountains decade after decade, MJ stifled himself, always trying desperately to top himself or get the same concept "right" time and again with the laws of diminishing returns setting in. And in the end, it that kind of psychology might have killed him, while Madonna just reached another milestone in her 30th year of performing.
It's upsetting and unsettling what happened to Michael, both in his life and in his career, but it was his own drive to do the same thing better next time, instead of doing something different and doing it very well that stagnated him.
Hmm, since people wanna talk about Michael, okay...
Michael DID try to change but he was afraid of how it would be perceived. He did change his Billie Jean choreography somewhat on his tours.
My thing is with Michael, his moves were a "trademark" so maybe he felt if he stepped out of that trademark, he wouldn't wanna read the reviews of how he "changed so much".
He was never gonna do what Madonna did and I wouldn't expect him to even if he was alive right now.
To be honest, I don't know why Michael and Madonna are even compared. Same with Janet and Madonna in this thread.
While never being a mj fan I can see that he did kinda get trapped in a world of his own making and couldnt break free without the fear of losing his fans.
Right. Michael's moves were iconic. It's hard to break out of that. Hell Tina Turner was still "rolling on the river" for 40 years and no one ever said "Oh I wished she get out of that." Please. If Tina didn't do it, people would have been complaining like they did in the beginning of her "Break Every Rule" tour when she didn't perform it in the first leg.
The way Janet walked of the stairs during the middle RN was so cool! I liked Janets performance better, more energy and I think RN is a really good song for a game.
I had much expectations for Madge, but mmmh, it was kinda boring. And Vogue? No, not during a Superbowl.
Yeah! And as a casual Madonna... well, fan... I kinda hate what she does.. I mean, when I go to her show, I wanna see the songs the way they originally were and I wanna hear the old songs... so of the 3 shows I saw, I hated Drowned World the most, as there were mostly no old songs and the ones she did were in strange versions.... and the same applies to Michael, casual people wanna see his trademark stuff, while I, as a fan, who has seen his stuff a million times, would have loved if he would have drastically changed up his stuff. So as an artist really, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. There is no way to please them all.
But we know which one works for artistic vision and which one doesn't. While Madonna has continued to climb mountains decade after decade, MJ stifled himself, always trying desperately to top himself or get the same concept "right" time and again with the laws of diminishing returns setting in. And in the end, it that kind of psychology might have killed him, while Madonna just reached another milestone in her 30th year of performing.
It's upsetting and unsettling what happened to Michael, both in his life and in his career, but it was his own drive to do the same thing better next time, instead of doing something different and doing it very well that stagnated him.
That's why I can't compare them equally. Michael and Madonna were not the same performers. Madonna had to change because she didn't wanna be stuck in a box. With Michael, he was so huge in the way he was, it's harder to get out of it. Therein lies the difference.
While never being a mj fan I can see that he did kinda get trapped in a world of his own making and couldnt break free without the fear of losing his fans.
Right. Michael's moves were iconic. It's hard to break out of that. Hell Tina Turner was still "rolling on the river" for 40 years and no one ever said "Oh I wished she get out of that." Please. If Tina didn't do it, people would have been complaining like they did in the beginning of her "Break Every Rule" tour when she didn't perform it in the first leg.
Case in point, Madonna is still doing Vogue as late in her career as last night, but she's not doing the same moves from the video that came out in 1990.
This is where MJ and Janet falter. They have a great idea the first time around, and then just hammer it into the ground over the decades, instead of coming up with new ideas.
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However, she still commanded attention in her own way.
This is the truth. While I love both Madonna and Janet, their halftime shows paled in comparison to Miss Ross. But I guess people loved the fact that they "danced" lol
