MJJstudent said:

SherryJackson said:

Hey, you're free to...but I can't. He lives forever with me...

the teachings are what's most important. the teachings live forever, even if he physically does not. as long as the teachings remain, he remains.

Amen, sister.

MJJstudent said:

BabyBeMine said:

If you want to break down doing things for he community...Earvin Magic Johnson, former LA Lakers, and all time great point guard has done more than Michael Jackson.

Magic has built starbucks locations, 24 hour fitness locations , movie theatres, created job opportunities in the HOOD...for ppl who did not have those opportunities in the past.

MJ gave money to charity...whipt de dooo....Did MJ create job opportunities for people in low income areas?....NOPE

um... you ARE aware of the violations starbucks has committed over time, right? so... magic johnson basically puts white-owned businesses in black communities, and you're saying this is better than michael contributing money out of pocket, paying for peoples' liver transplants, creating burn centres, paying for funerals, contributing to centres in south central l.a., where kids have something to do... where he was in the motherland, forming oppertunities so african people can have economic empowerment... how about contributing to the favelas in brazil, so people could have an opportunity to experience the arts?

why are you comparing? you can contribute all the money in the world to something, but most important is the intent. michael's message has always been very clear in relation to his contributions: to make sure people are able to have a voice, and take care of themselves.

Agreed.

Militant said:

And yes, that includes supporting low-income areas, not just in the US but all over the world. Unlike you, Michael wasn't biased. WHY is supporting low income areas in the US more important than giving millions to childrens hospitals in war-torn places and raising awareness for children who have contracted AIDS or children who have been born with deformities from nuclear disasters? ALL things Michael did amongst many more.

Actually, the plights of many of these communities makes the US ghettos look like paradise by comparison. For all the low-income and problems and lack of opportunities, it ain't a country torn apart by war. You can get welfare from the government and you will NEVER starve to death or have to drink infected water just to survive. You don't have to worry about your town or area getting invaded by soldiers and torn apart. You aren't in a terroristic dictatorship like some places where you'll get killed by your OWN government for supporting a different political ideal. You'll never have to walk miles and miles just in the hope of MAYBE finding some food and water for your family.

So get the fuck out with your self righteous "Magic Johnson did this for the HOOD, the people in the HOOD, building movie theatres" and shit. Fuck that. There's people with serious problems all over the world that would do ANYTHING to live in the poorest, worst ghetto of the USA. Because it's still a million fucking times better than what they have to deal with.

Seriously, do you even read your own posts?

i agree with you man, totally. however, new orleans after katrina got compared to a third-world nation (and this government STILL has not properly acknowledged what happened).

and again: putting money behind already established (white-owned) businesses, as opposed to putting money behind community businesses- how is this collectively better than what michael has done, i will never know.

SherryJackson said:

MJJstudent said:

um... you ARE aware of the violations starbucks has committed over time, right? so... magic johnson basically puts white-owned businesses in black communities, and you're saying this is better than michael contributing money out of pocket, paying for peoples' liver transplants, creating burn centres, paying for funerals, contributing to centres in south central l.a., where kids have something to do... where he was in the motherland, forming oppertunities so african people can have economic empowerment... how about contributing to the favelas in brazil, so people could have an opportunity to experience the arts?

why are you comparing? you can contribute all the money in the world to something, but most important is the intent. michael's message has always been very clear in relation to his contributions: to make sure people are able to have a voice, and take care of themselves.

@ BabyBe Mine Michael Jackson was not a politician. And don't you trivialize the man's contributions to charity. MJJStudent makes excellent points.

Just to name a few of the charities he supported during his life..

• AIDS Project L.A.
• American Cancer Society
• Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
• BMI Foundation, Inc.
• Brotherhood Crusade
• Brothman Burn Center
• Camp Ronald McDonald
• Childhelp U.S.A.
• Children's Institute International
• Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
• Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation
• Congressional Black Caucus (CBC)
• Dakar Foundation
• Dreamstreet Kids
• Dreams Come True Charity
• Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation
• Juvenile Diabetes Foundation
• Make-A-Wish Foundation
• Minority Aids Project
• Motown Museum
• NAACP
• National Rainbow Coalition
• Rotary Club of Australia
• Society of Singers
• Starlight Foundation
• The Carter Center's Atlanta Project
• The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
• Transafrica
• United Negro College Fund (UNCF)
• United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
• Volunteers of America
• YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

a lot of what he did was anonymous too, so... i posted the video earlier in the thread, which talked about him donating something like 50,000 to a family. he attended the funeral and gave them this money, because the mother threw her children over a bridge. the 3-year old child survived, and the younger child did not. michael felt concern and gave money out of his own pocket. the man just gave and gave and gave.

all the money he made from the victory tour, he donated to several organizations. i believe this also happened with the 'dangerous' tour. most people make money from tours, and he decides to donate all the proceeds he made to organizations other than ones he would benefit from. he spent a lot of money providing for the well-being of children and their families all around the world. no one came close to that. he used his status and profession to create a mission of helping people.

MJJstudent said:

SherryJackson said:

@ BabyBe Mine Michael Jackson was not a politician. And don't you trivialize the man's contributions to charity. MJJStudent makes excellent points.

Just to name a few of the charities he supported during his life..

• AIDS Project L.A.
• American Cancer Society
• Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
• BMI Foundation, Inc.
• Brotherhood Crusade
• Brothman Burn Center
• Camp Ronald McDonald
• Childhelp U.S.A.
• Children's Institute International
• Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
• Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation
• Congressional Black Caucus (CBC)
• Dakar Foundation
• Dreamstreet Kids
• Dreams Come True Charity
• Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation
• Juvenile Diabetes Foundation
• Make-A-Wish Foundation
• Minority Aids Project
• Motown Museum
• NAACP
• National Rainbow Coalition
• Rotary Club of Australia
• Society of Singers
• Starlight Foundation
• The Carter Center's Atlanta Project
• The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
• Transafrica
• United Negro College Fund (UNCF)
• United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
• Volunteers of America
• YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

a lot of what he did was anonymous too, so... i posted the video earlier in the thread, which talked about him donating something like 50,000 to a family. he attended the funeral and gave them this money, because the mother threw her children over a bridge. the 3-year old child survived, and the younger child did not. michael felt concern and gave money out of his own pocket. the man just gave and gave and gave.

all the money he made from the victory tour, he donated to several organizations. i believe this also happened with the 'dangerous' tour. most people make money from tours, and he decides to donate all the proceeds he made to organizations other than ones he would benefit from. he spent a lot of money providing for the well-being of children and their families all around the world. no one came close to that. he used his status and profession to create a mission of helping people.

Like I said honey..."just to name a few"...

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mookie said:

Tom Barrack on Plans for Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch

On his plans for Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch:

"Our plans have been to work to restore it to its original greatness. The place is amazing. It has not only the beautiful spirit and softness of Michael, but a legacy of a thousand years of Indian culture that had transacted upon it. We have just been restoring it, renovating it. We have not really wanted to do anything commercial with it. The estate of Michael Jackson--they have done a great job in managing the estate. We are kind of waiting for them to decide what really they would like to do with us and with it. We are just being good stewards of a very special place."

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/03/917493/tom-barrack-on-bloomberg-west#ixzz1GDepG7ZX

you should check out the videos with william wagener... he's been following the whole neverland thing a lot, post-2009.

i don't particularly trust a word coming out of barrack's mouth, as colony capital is interrelated with AEG. thome thome was the one to introduce michael to barrack and all those dudes. thome was the one to negotiate the neverland deal with colony. he was also the one to negotiate the O2 residency, after michael was initially reluctant to do a residency or tour.

i wonder if michael still owns the deeds to neverland... he was pretty open about wanting nothing to do with neverland (after the 2005 trial), in terms of living there. he loved that place ("i don't like california... i loc\ve neverland; neverland is not california". something like that), then it became the place of nightmares. it was really smart of him to keep tabs on/stock of the value though.

SherryJackson said:

MJJstudent said:

a lot of what he did was anonymous too, so... i posted the video earlier in the thread, which talked about him donating something like 50,000 to a family. he attended the funeral and gave them this money, because the mother threw her children over a bridge. the 3-year old child survived, and the younger child did not. michael felt concern and gave money out of his own pocket. the man just gave and gave and gave.

all the money he made from the victory tour, he donated to several organizations. i believe this also happened with the 'dangerous' tour. most people make money from tours, and he decides to donate all the proceeds he made to organizations other than ones he would benefit from. he spent a lot of money providing for the well-being of children and their families all around the world. no one came close to that. he used his status and profession to create a mission of helping people.

Like I said honey..."just to name a few"...

hee hee...

BabyBeMine said:

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Excuse me...did you live with Michael? Did you live inside his head and understand every decision he ever did? I know Michael isn't a saint, no one is. But you have no right to say things like "false niceness" or "the man was evil" when you can't even back that up with actual, viable proof.

All I hear from you is an opinion. You're entitled to it...but it doesn't mean it's a gospel truth..

[Snip - luv4u]

How long are y'all gonna entertain the elephant in the room? Obviously if someone doesn't get the message, might as well leave it alone.

BabyBeMine said:

Are you kidding me? First of all Magic and Michael were good friends dating back to when Magic was close friends with Jackie...Michael's brother.

I know you love Mike, but he aint on Magic's level when it comes to relating to the communty. Magic is a much more hands on 1 on 1 type person than Mike....You can say heeey Mike can't be hands on because he will get mobbed....Basketball superstars get mobbed EQUALLY as entertainers.....You think Kobe Bryant can just roll up to a mall SOLO.....Supermarket...SOLO.....ummmm NO...

Im not saying Magic makes the coffee..lol...popcorn at his movie theatres, but he is much more outgoing with the community....Have you forgotten his basketball camps? Magic has always had that fun loving personality which is why everyone wanted to play with him.

The thiing is Michael is kinda FAKE NICE....Only MJ fans dont see it....Michael is that sweet and innocent person on camera, but behind closed doors...MJ is not as nice as you think

Funny how during the trial, how he wanted his family there everyday...TRIAL OVER....When they try to come see him...SECURITY....Tell em im not here.

Die hard fans will make this excuse....He did that because they were pressuring him to make a album.

Question? Why didnt he do that during the trial? Jermaine, Tito, Marlon, Jackie, Randy, Janet, Latoya, Rebbie show up at neverland for your TRIAL.....Tell SECURITY to tell em....IM NOT HERE

During that stage he was available...I love Mike's music and dancing, but dude had some EVIL sides to him...Fans are such worshippers that they actually think he was this sweet and so nice person.....MJ was evil even to Lisa Marie

If you dont give me a baby...Debbie Row wil..A man tells his wife that. I thought this man was sweet, innocent with the nice voice......FAKE

Question? How come MJ didn't tell SECURITY in 2005, tp tell his family "IM NOT HOME"....He picks and chooses when to do it. He needed them then to look good on camera. He got found not guilty, so now spit on them out like a piece of crap.

Joseph only cares about money....Who was Mike roling with with those pajamas on to court and the day they annonced the verdict....Joseph and Katherine in the same VEHICLE

DOOD! who ever said michael was nice all the time? it's unrealistic to think he was. he was in a cutthroat business. even on camera sometimes he wasn't sweet.

sometimes michael was a cold dude. the man wasn't perfect. no one is. AGAIN, this is off the subject. the conversation started about financial contributions, and now it's a character judgement?

okay... he wasn't nice all the time. big deal. again, he had people coming at him all the time. he was notorious for avoiding confrontation. so sometimes he let other people do his business. i don't agree with that, but i get it.

he and lisa marie fought all the time. that is not news at all. michael was open that he wanted a baby and lisa marie did not. they fought about it. and?

and he used his family in the trial like they used him up for many years? and? they made the decision to go along with it, right? they could have said, nah michael, you don't talk to us at any other point, so why use us now? if indeed this was the case, they could have said that. but no they didn't.

it's no secret they used him for money. again, michael is no fool. he's hardcore, man. he plays hardball too. how you think he got that ATV catalog? it wasn't by playing nice.

so again, what is your point?

sometimes he was not nice. so what. MY point is, it's all about the intent. he contributed a lot of his money out of pocket. he was about empowerment. what happens in between, GOD will deal with.

Timmy84 said:

How long are y'all gonna entertain the elephant in the room? Obviously if someone doesn't get the message, might as well leave it alone.

i actually think it's funny... i like to watch the sinking ship. HA!

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Long day at school, and the one place I come to to unwind at has a troll wandering thru it.

For real, now...stop this hate. Y'all can have stomachs for this, but I don't.

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MJJstudent said:

SherryJackson said:

Hey, you're free to...but I can't. He lives forever with me...

the teachings are what's most important. the teachings live forever, even if he physically does not. as long as the teachings remain, he remains.

Thats the one thing I hate about the fanatics...

Give us sane ones a bad rep

I mean you're worshipping him like he was Jesus...

'

Seriously...

SherryJackson said:

Long day at school, and the one place I come to to unwind at has a troll wandering thru it.

For real, now...stop this hate. Y'all can have stomachs for this, but I don't.

i have a pretty strong stomach for withstanding the quick descent into madness of words that baby be mine is descending into (hee hee)... but yes, i totally feel you girl. there's no need for the hate. no more energy given to those comments would be a solution.

EmbattledWarrior said:

MJJstudent said:

the teachings are what's most important. the teachings live forever, even if he physically does not. as long as the teachings remain, he remains.

Thats the one thing I hate about the fanatics...

Give us sane ones a bad rep

I mean you're worshipping him like he was Jesus...

'

Seriously...

I don't hold Michael over God. I never once said I did.

And I resent you calling me or MJJStudent crazy or fanatical.

But hey, if you wanna stand on your pedestal and pretend to be holier than thou, go ahead.

EmbattledWarrior said:

MJJstudent said:

the teachings are what's most important. the teachings live forever, even if he physically does not. as long as the teachings remain, he remains.

Thats the one thing I hate about the fanatics...

Give us sane ones a bad rep

I mean you're worshipping him like he was Jesus...

'

Seriously...

how is continuing someone's teachings comparing someone to jesus... i'm not exactly seeing a connection here. in no way is michael GOD, jesus or whoever. michael put on one pant leg at a time, just like the rest of us.

the fact that someone purchases a piece of art or music from someone symbolizes a desire to maintain some sort of a message or remnant the artist gave. how exactly is this worshipping? because they can be considered 'teachings'?

someone who is a teacher is not necessarily in the institution of school. a teacher is basically someone you learn and take certain values from. we can find teachings anywhere. me, i happen to find that in michael. i have actually written many a time on why i consider michael to be a teacher (and it actually has nothing to do with him as a performer). the teachings he gave are actually centuries old- they just happened to resonate with me through him.

to some, plants are teachers. to others, cats. i'm not seeing what the issue is. to worship is to find no faults. one of the reasons i find michael to be a great teacher is BECAUSE of his imperfections.

and granted, there ARE people who compare him to GOD and jesus. but i am not one of those people.

we are so conditioned by the cult of personality syndrome that we can't even say that someone who is known around the world as a teacher without claiming that those people think he's jesus.

people see folks like ghandi or MLK as teacher... why is it they don't get accused of seeing THEIR teachers as gods? when we leave this earth, we would HOPE that we leave some positive impact, and that people learn from us. i don't see a problem with that.

teaching and learning are reciprocal.

SherryJackson said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

Thats the one thing I hate about the fanatics...

Give us sane ones a bad rep

I mean you're worshipping him like he was Jesus...

'

Seriously...

I don't hold Michael over God. I never once said I did.

And I resent you calling me or MJJStudent crazy or fanatical.

But hey, if you wanna stand on your pedestal and pretend to be holier than thou, go ahead.

Oh I'm obviously not the one on a pedestal...

He is...

You are delusional.

Now I've defended you guys long enough.

Some of you are just plain looney tunes. And it's unhealthy.

Michael was a good and talented man.

But he was just a man.

This worship is...

Unhealthy...

Remembering him is one thing, but alot of you act like he's still alive...

And this is cyclical.

Talking about the same damn thing, every single day

I truly do love the man...

But I know when enough is enough...

Can someone have a good heart and not be an asshole when they need to? He was a grown ass man, he didn't need to be around his family all the time 24-7.

MJJstudent said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

Thats the one thing I hate about the fanatics...

Give us sane ones a bad rep

I mean you're worshipping him like he was Jesus...

'

Seriously...

how is continuing someone's teachings comparing someone to jesus... i'm not exactly seeing a connection here. in no way is michael GOD, jesus or whoever. michael put on one pant leg at a time, just like the rest of us.

the fact that someone purchases a piece of art or music from someone symbolizes a desire to maintain some sort of a message or remnant the artist gave. how exactly is this worshipping? because they can be considered 'teachings'?

someone who is a teacher is not necessarily in the institution of school. a teacher is basically someone you learn and take certain values from. we can find teachings anywhere. me, i happen to find that in michael. i have actually written many a time on why i consider michael to be a teacher (and it actually has nothing to do with him as a performer). the teachings he gave are actually centuries old- they just happened to resonate with me through him.

to some, plants are teachers. to others, cats. i'm not seeing what the issue is. to worship is to find no faults. one of the reasons i find michael to be a great teacher is BECAUSE of his imperfections.

and granted, there ARE people who compare him to GOD and jesus. but i am not one of those people.

we are so conditioned by the cult of personality syndrome that we can't even say that someone who is known around the world as a teacher without claiming that those people think he's jesus.

people see folks like ghandi or MLK as teacher... why is it they don't get accused of seeing THEIR teachers as gods? when we leave this earth, we would HOPE that we leave some positive impact, and that people learn from us. i don't see a problem with that.

teaching and learning are reciprocal.

HE WAS NOT A WORLDLY TEACHER!

He had a message, and it was a heartfelt one, but that does not make him a teacher.

Ghandi... and MLK stood up for something.

You can't equate them with Michael Jackson.

They where leaders of a movement.

Michael, never created a movement past his own ego, despite his good deeds.

And ontop of that I don't condone worship of MLK or Ghandi...

They both had their faults. Ghandi was a racist, MLK was a womanizer.

Don't worship the person worship the message.

John Lennon said...

"I don't believe in anything... I just believe in me"

By worshipping the person you're no better then a religion.

Michael loved his fans, but in many ways he did resent us because we catered to this type of thinking.

EmbattledWarrior said:

MJJstudent said:

how is continuing someone's teachings comparing someone to jesus... i'm not exactly seeing a connection here. in no way is michael GOD, jesus or whoever. michael put on one pant leg at a time, just like the rest of us.

the fact that someone purchases a piece of art or music from someone symbolizes a desire to maintain some sort of a message or remnant the artist gave. how exactly is this worshipping? because they can be considered 'teachings'?

someone who is a teacher is not necessarily in the institution of school. a teacher is basically someone you learn and take certain values from. we can find teachings anywhere. me, i happen to find that in michael. i have actually written many a time on why i consider michael to be a teacher (and it actually has nothing to do with him as a performer). the teachings he gave are actually centuries old- they just happened to resonate with me through him.

to some, plants are teachers. to others, cats. i'm not seeing what the issue is. to worship is to find no faults. one of the reasons i find michael to be a great teacher is BECAUSE of his imperfections.

and granted, there ARE people who compare him to GOD and jesus. but i am not one of those people.

we are so conditioned by the cult of personality syndrome that we can't even say that someone who is known around the world as a teacher without claiming that those people think he's jesus.

people see folks like ghandi or MLK as teacher... why is it they don't get accused of seeing THEIR teachers as gods? when we leave this earth, we would HOPE that we leave some positive impact, and that people learn from us. i don't see a problem with that.

teaching and learning are reciprocal.

HE WAS NOT A WORLDLY TEACHER!

He had a message, and it was a heartfelt one, but that does not make him a teacher.

Ghandi... and MLK stood up for something.

You can't equate them with Michael Jackson.

They where leaders of a movement.

Michael, never created a movement past his own ego, despite his good deeds.

And ontop of that I don't condone worship of MLK or Ghandi...

They both had their faults. Ghandi was a racist, MLK was a womanizer.

Don't worship the person worship the message.

John Lennon said...

"I don't believe in anything... I just believe in me"

By worshipping the person you're no better then a religion.

Michael loved his fans, but in many ways he did resent us because we catered to this type of thinking.

I don't get the last part of what you are trying to say, but I disagree with what you're saying though it's your opinion...

EmbattledWarrior said:

SherryJackson said:

I don't hold Michael over God. I never once said I did.

And I resent you calling me or MJJStudent crazy or fanatical.

But hey, if you wanna stand on your pedestal and pretend to be holier than thou, go ahead.

Oh I'm obviously not the one on a pedestal...

He is...

1)You are delusional.

Now I've defended you guys long enough.

Some of you are just plain looney tunes. And it's unhealthy.

Michael was a good and talented man.

But he was just a man.

2)This worship is...

Unhealthy...

3) Remembering him is one thing, but alot of you act like he's still alive...

And this is cyclical.

4)Talking about the same damn thing, every single day

I truly do love the man...

But I know when enough is enough...

1) You don't know who I am and hence cannot make that judgement and expect it to be viable.

2) Again, I never said I worshipped the man. Some may, but I don't.

3) If you're talking about the "BeLIEvers", then you might have a point. I am not one of them. To feel that Michael is alive in spirit isn't a crime and it's not unhealthy.

4) this is a Discuss Everything and Anything MJ thread. This thread is here so we can discuss anything and everything that comes to mind when we think of MJ and his music or otherwise. And it's not always the "same old stuff". So what's your point? If you have a problem, maybe you should be the one who leaves...since this kind of activity bothers you.

We all like to remember people we care about and/or admire in different ways. I don't see why you should be on the offensive about it. Does it affect you personally? This community of MJ fans on prince.org are actually more sane than those on official MJ forums and that's why I'm here.

EmbattledWarrior said:

SherryJackson said:

I don't hold Michael over God. I never once said I did.

And I resent you calling me or MJJStudent crazy or fanatical.

But hey, if you wanna stand on your pedestal and pretend to be holier than thou, go ahead.

Oh I'm obviously not the one on a pedestal...

He is...

You are delusional.

Now I've defended you guys long enough.

Some of you are just plain looney tunes. And it's unhealthy.

Michael was a good and talented man.

But he was just a man.

This worship is...

Unhealthy...

Remembering him is one thing, but alot of you act like he's still alive...

And this is cyclical.

Talking about the same damn thing, every single day

I truly do love the man...

But I know when enough is enough...

but he's not physically here. how is saying someone is a teacher acting like that person is alive. AGAIN, even after a person is physically gone, their teachings live on. in many ways, because people continue the teachingsa, this means that the person (and their legacy) still exists. i'm still not getting why you consider this worship.

in this case, we all worship curtis mayfield, MLK (again), el hajj malik el shabazz, john lennon, marvin gaye, etc. all the people who have transcended and have left schools (alvin ailey, etc.), THEIR TEACHINGS CONTINUE. their name is still invoked.

SherryJackson said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

Oh I'm obviously not the one on a pedestal...

He is...

1)You are delusional.

Now I've defended you guys long enough.

Some of you are just plain looney tunes. And it's unhealthy.

Michael was a good and talented man.

But he was just a man.

2)This worship is...

Unhealthy...

3) Remembering him is one thing, but alot of you act like he's still alive...

And this is cyclical.

4)Talking about the same damn thing, every single day

I truly do love the man...

But I know when enough is enough...

1) You don't know who I am and hence cannot make that judgement and expect it to be viable.

2) Again, I never said I worshipped the man. Some may, but I don't.

3) If you're talking about the "BeLIEvers", then you might have a point. I am not one of them. To feel that Michael is alive in spirit isn't a crime and it's not unhealthy.

4) this is a Discuss Everything and Anything MJ thread. This thread is here so we can discuss anything and everything that comes to mind when we think of MJ and his music or otherwise. And it's not always the "same old stuff". So what's your point? If you have a problem, maybe you should be the one who leaves...since this kind of activity bothers you.

We all like to remember people we care about and/or admire in different ways. I don't see why you should be on the offensive about it. Does it affect you personally? This community of MJ fans on prince.org are actually more sane than those on official MJ forums and that's why I'm here.

This is an Everything and Anything MJ sticky on a Prince message board.

The sole reason for this sticky was to stop the influx of mj post

Because MJ fans would flood the boards every chance they got and piss off orgers.

Have we forgotten this.

It was cute, when he was alive.

But he's going to be dead for two years, and it's still here.

Why...

I don't understand it.

Remembering someone is great. But you lot are excessive.

And c'mon sherry. MJ is equating him with MLK?

if you don't think thats odd. Than you're no better than the crack pots on on MJFC

EmbattledWarrior said:

HE WAS NOT A WORLDLY TEACHER!

He had a message, and it was a heartfelt one, but that does not make him a teacher.

Ghandi... and MLK stood up for something.

You can't equate them with Michael Jackson.

They where leaders of a movement.

Michael, never created a movement past his own ego, despite his good deeds.

And ontop of that I don't condone worship of MLK or Ghandi...

They both had their faults. Ghandi was a racist, MLK was a womanizer.

Don't worship the person worship the message.

John Lennon said...

"I don't believe in anything... I just believe in me"

By worshipping the person you're no better then a religion.

Michael loved his fans, but in many ways he did resent us because we catered to this type of thinking.

we are essentially saying the same thing... we just go about it differently. the teachings are ABOUT the message. what else would they be about, may i ask?

how is not conveying a message not teaching something? if anyone learns something from it in a significant way, then it's a teaching, in a very rudimentary way. you and i see the philosophy of teaching differently. that's cool. we all learn differently. i don't judge the way others choose to learn.

somehow, the way i (and others) happen to explain it are not meeting your needs. let us just agree to dis-agree at this point.

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Holding Michael over God? Well hey, at least Michael actually existed!

Flame on!