trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

On the other hand, there are those of us who don't understand why you don't see and hear that some of these songs aren't lipsynched! So, I don't understand why you just won't agree to disagree on this. BTW why is it so important to you anyway?!! :sincerely puzzled:

Again, why can't you post proof of your claims? What makes it sound live to you? Which songs? I'd like to know so post some proof.

Again... why do you need it and why should I post it? When I have looked at your clips and many others and disagree with you? Why is it so important to you to prove that Janet is lipsyching every song at every concert?!! I don't think that she needs defending... I disagree with you and, for me, that is where the debate ends.

purplethunder3121 said:

trueiopian said:

Again, why can't you post proof of your claims? What makes it sound live to you? Which songs? I'd like to know so post some proof.

Again... why do you need it and why should I post it? When I have looked at your clips and many others and disagree with you? Why is it so important to you to prove that Janet is lipsyching every song at every concert?!! I don't think that she needs defending... I disagree with you and, for me, that is where the debate ends.

Do you not understand how a debate works? If you're going to claim something at least know how to back it up. Many others? Just you and Sean (who's known for being stuck far up Janet's ass).

Again, post proof that Janet is singing live and point out where she sounds different.

I've seen Janet live and you can't tell whether she lips unless you attend several shows of the same tour. I agree with truiopian that if you watch clips from different shows that you can hear that the vocals are all the same. So there's really no need for a debate because Janet is known for lipping and this tour is no different.

kenny88 said:

I've seen Janet live and you can't tell whether she lips unless you attend several shows of the same tour. I agree with truiopian that if you watch clips from different shows that you can hear that the vocals are all the same. So there's really no need for a debate because Janet is known for lipping and this tour is no different.

I saw the doubler truiopian posted and it definitely doesn't change. Janet always lips though and it seems as of now she's doing it with the ballads or at least has since 2008. Doesn't make anyone less a fan if they see this. I did say she always pre-records before hitting the road anyways.

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Timmy84 said:

kenny88 said:

I've seen Janet live and you can't tell whether she lips unless you attend several shows of the same tour. I agree with truiopian that if you watch clips from different shows that you can hear that the vocals are all the same. So there's really no need for a debate because Janet is known for lipping and this tour is no different.

I saw the doubler truiopian posted and it definitely doesn't change. Janet always lips though and it seems as of now she's doing it with the ballads or at least has since 2008. Doesn't make anyone less a fan if they see this. I did say she always pre-records before hitting the road anyways.

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I agree with you. By the way, what doubler?

kenny88 said:

Timmy84 said:

I saw the doubler truiopian posted and it definitely doesn't change. Janet always lips though and it seems as of now she's doing it with the ballads or at least has since 2008. Doesn't make anyone less a fan if they see this. I did say she always pre-records before hitting the road anyways.

[Edited 3/25/11 21:52pm]

I agree with you. By the way, what doubler?

She posted two videos of Janet performing "Nothing" from the Essence show and from the tour.

Truetopian, I asked you a question which you didn't answer. Why is it so vitally important to you whether Janet is singing all her songs live or not? What difference can it possibly make to you what my opinion is whether I think as you do or not? What stake do you have in it? I am merely going to go to two concerts and I will enjoy them whether or not it is "lip-synched." Now, I am tired of the phrase and the argument. I would still like to know why you care one way or the other. I am not a JJ fanatic. I haven't listened to her for ten years... I just recently started listening again and watching clips of recent concerts. I think you are wrong. But you seem much more invested in Janet than I am. Why?!!

trueiopian said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Is this Ciara???

That's right, start red herring because you can't dispute the truth. So predictable

even if those vocals aren't live they are still pre-recorded which means they are her vocals and she is capable of singing that way....

If she has been dancing for 30 mins straight maybe she doesn't have the breath to sing live..

but im not going to say she is lipping her slow songs because she is capable of singing them the exact same way each time... They are simple songs to sing...

kenny88 said:

Timmy84 said:

I saw the doubler truiopian posted and it definitely doesn't change. Janet always lips though and it seems as of now she's doing it with the ballads or at least has since 2008. Doesn't make anyone less a fan if they see this. I did say she always pre-records before hitting the road anyways.

[Edited 3/25/11 21:52pm]

I agree with you. By the way, what doubler?

Doubler

TotalAlisa said:

trueiopian said:

That's right, start red herring because you can't dispute the truth. So predictable

even if those vocals aren't live they are still pre-recorded which means they are her vocals and she is capable of singing that way....

If she has been dancing for 30 mins straight maybe she doesn't have the breath to sing live..

but im not going to say she is lipping her slow songs because she is capable of singing them the exact same way each time... They are simple songs to sing...

That's impossible. Same phasing and ad-libs each show? No.

But yes, I know they're pre-recorded vocals. That's what I'm trying to tell people on here but they're having a hard time understanding.

trueiopian said:

By the way, why can't the people in here claiming she's singing live provide proof? I've posted links and videos. Yet none of you did the same to point where Janet's voice sounded different.

I'm waiting...

im trying to figure out if your a janet fan.. cause you don't sound like one...

why are you going so hard about her lippping do you have anything better to complain about... WHO CARES IF SHE IS..... as long as your enjoying the show...

how would that affect your life she is sings live or lipped...

purplethunder3121 said:

Truetopian, I asked you a question which you didn't answer. Why is it so vitally important to you whether Janet is singing all her songs live or not? What difference can it possibly make to you what my opinion is whether I think as you do or not? What stake do you have in it? I am merely going to go to two concerts and I will enjoy them whether or not it is "lip-synched." Now, I am tired of the phrase and the argument. I would still like to know why you care one way or the other. I am not a JJ fanatic. I haven't listened to her for ten years... I just recently started listening again and watching clips of recent concerts. I think you are wrong. But you seem much more invested in Janet than I am. Why?!!

This is a discussion forum and the topic of lip syncing was brought up. I posted my thoughts and backed it up with videos. You disagreed with my statement yet failed to back it up. So I ask, why can't you provide any evidence to your claims?

This has nothing to do with being a JJ 'fanatic' because I'm not one myself nor am I tryin to stop you from having a good time so I don't why you keep announcing that you're going to have a good time regardless

trueiopian said:

TotalAlisa said:

even if those vocals aren't live they are still pre-recorded which means they are her vocals and she is capable of singing that way....

If she has been dancing for 30 mins straight maybe she doesn't have the breath to sing live..

but im not going to say she is lipping her slow songs because she is capable of singing them the exact same way each time... They are simple songs to sing...

That's impossible. Same phasing and ad-libs each show? No.

But yes, I know they're pre-recorded vocals. That's what I'm trying to tell people on here but they're having a hard time understanding.

if she is good at lipping to the pre-recorded ab-libs and songs she is good at remembering the ad-libs and singing them the exact same way each time...

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Truetopian, I asked you a question which you didn't answer. Why is it so vitally important to you whether Janet is singing all her songs live or not? What difference can it possibly make to you what my opinion is whether I think as you do or not? What stake do you have in it? I am merely going to go to two concerts and I will enjoy them whether or not it is "lip-synched." Now, I am tired of the phrase and the argument. I would still like to know why you care one way or the other. I am not a JJ fanatic. I haven't listened to her for ten years... I just recently started listening again and watching clips of recent concerts. I think you are wrong. But you seem much more invested in Janet than I am. Why?!!

This is a discussion forum and the topic of lip syncing was brought up. I posted my thoughts and backed it up with videos. You disagreed with my statement yet failed to back it up. So I ask, why can't you provide any evidence to your claims?

This has nothing to do with being a JJ 'fanatic' because I'm not one myself nor am I tryin to stop you from having a good time so I don't why you keep announcing that you're going to have a good time regardless

basically what are you getting from being on this janet thread stating over and over she is lipping... what is your point or purpose????

TotalAlisa said:

trueiopian said:

That's impossible. Same phasing and ad-libs each show? No.

But yes, I know they're pre-recorded vocals. That's what I'm trying to tell people on here but they're having a hard time understanding.

if she is good at lipping to the pre-recorded ab-libs and songs she is good at remembering the ad-libs and singing them the exact same way each time...

That makes no sense

I guess you meant she's good at remembering how to LIP the songs the same exact way. Youtube is a beautiful tool. Some of you should use it more.

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trueiopian said:

kenny88 said:

I agree with you. By the way, what doubler?

Doubler

Thanks for posting

The same exact thing... wow. There's really no need for a debate on this.

TotalAlisa said:

trueiopian said:

This is a discussion forum and the topic of lip syncing was brought up. I posted my thoughts and backed it up with videos. You disagreed with my statement yet failed to back it up. So I ask, why can't you provide any evidence to your claims?

This has nothing to do with being a JJ 'fanatic' because I'm not one myself nor am I tryin to stop you from having a good time so I don't why you keep announcing that you're going to have a good time regardless

basically what are you getting from being on this janet thread stating over and over she is lipping... what is your point or purpose????

That post wasn't directed towards you. Keep up. By the way, you have A LOT of nerve trying to call anyone out on being a phony. Let's not go there, hamster girl. Especially, when you were dogging Janet prior to MJ's passing.

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Timmy84 said:

kenny88 said:

I've seen Janet live and you can't tell whether she lips unless you attend several shows of the same tour. I agree with truiopian that if you watch clips from different shows that you can hear that the vocals are all the same. So there's really no need for a debate because Janet is known for lipping and this tour is no different.

I saw the doubler truiopian posted and it definitely doesn't change. Janet always lips though and it seems as of now she's doing it with the ballads or at least has since 2008. Doesn't make anyone less a fan if they see this. I did say she always pre-records before hitting the road anyways.

[Edited 3/25/11 21:52pm]

Thanks!

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Truetopian, I asked you a question which you didn't answer. Why is it so vitally important to you whether Janet is singing all her songs live or not? What difference can it possibly make to you what my opinion is whether I think as you do or not? What stake do you have in it? I am merely going to go to two concerts and I will enjoy them whether or not it is "lip-synched." Now, I am tired of the phrase and the argument. I would still like to know why you care one way or the other. I am not a JJ fanatic. I haven't listened to her for ten years... I just recently started listening again and watching clips of recent concerts. I think you are wrong. But you seem much more invested in Janet than I am. Why?!!

This is a discussion forum and the topic of lip syncing was brought up. I posted my thoughts and backed it up with videos. You disagreed with my statement yet failed to back it up. So I ask, why can't you provide any evidence to your claims?

This has nothing to do with being a JJ 'fanatic' because I'm not one myself nor am I tryin to stop you from having a good time so I don't why you keep announcing that you're going to have a good time regardless

Again, why are you so invested in whether or not Janet is singing live or not? What difference does it make to you? It seems to be a lot more important to you than it is to me and a lot of other people. I disagree with you based on the videos you provided and others I have seen. In saying that, I am through with this debate and I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment...for whatever reason caused it....

purplethunder3121 said:

trueiopian said:

This is a discussion forum and the topic of lip syncing was brought up. I posted my thoughts and backed it up with videos. You disagreed with my statement yet failed to back it up. So I ask, why can't you provide any evidence to your claims?

This has nothing to do with being a JJ 'fanatic' because I'm not one myself nor am I tryin to stop you from having a good time so I don't why you keep announcing that you're going to have a good time regardless

Again, why are you so invested in whether or not Janet is singing live or not? What difference does it make to you? It seems to be a lot more important to you than it is to me and a lot of other people. I disagree with you based on the videos you provided and others I have seen. In saying that, I am through with this debate and I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment...for whatever reason caused it....

Why are you trying to deviate the topic at hand? I don't understand why you keep asking why I'm invested in whether Janet is lipping or not. Once again, this is a DISCUSSION board. This is nothing personal. I'm just curious to understand your point of view so I'm asking you to back up your claims yet you fail to do this and choose to deviate. I'm guessing you can't back up your claims because even you don't believe them.

The irony of this sentence - I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment. Bless your heart.

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Again, why are you so invested in whether or not Janet is singing live or not? What difference does it make to you? It seems to be a lot more important to you than it is to me and a lot of other people. I disagree with you based on the videos you provided and others I have seen. In saying that, I am through with this debate and I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment...for whatever reason caused it....

Why are you trying to deviate the topic at hand? I don't understand why you keep asking why I'm invested in whether Janet is lipping or not. Once again, this is a DISCUSSION board. This is nothing personal. I'm just curious to understand your point of view so I'm asking you to back up your claims yet you fail to do this and choose to deviate. I'm guessing you can't back up your claims because even you don't believe them.

The irony of this sentence - I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment. Bless your heart.

See, that is the irony inherent in your response--I am not invested in whether or not Janet is "lipping" as you state. But you apparently are heavily invested emotionally in this topic. And, again, you haven't stated WHY you care so much whether Janet Jackson sings live or doesn't sing live. You keep asking for evidence refuting your hypothesis that she NEVER sings live. I never denied that she SOMETIMES doesn't sing live. But your conclusion that she ALWAYS "lip-synchs" to songs is a bogus conclusion. Again, why do you care one way or the other? Not that I really care.

purplethunder3121 said:

trueiopian said:

Why are you trying to deviate the topic at hand? I don't understand why you keep asking why I'm invested in whether Janet is lipping or not. Once again, this is a DISCUSSION board. This is nothing personal. I'm just curious to understand your point of view so I'm asking you to back up your claims yet you fail to do this and choose to deviate. I'm guessing you can't back up your claims because even you don't believe them.

The irony of this sentence - I will leave you with your bitter disillusionment. Bless your heart.

See, that is the irony inherent in your response--I am not invested in whether or not Janet is "lipping" as you state. But you apparently are heavily invested emotionally in this topic. And, again, you haven't stated WHY you care so much whether Janet Jackson sings live or doesn't sing live. You keep asking for evidence refuting your hypothesis that she NEVER sings live. I never denied that she SOMETIMES doesn't sing live. But your conclusion that she ALWAYS "lip-synchs" to songs is a bogus conclusion. Again, why do you care one way or the other? Not that I really care.

Again, you continue to deviate the topic and didn't you say you were done with this debate? Make up your mind.

Like I've already stated this is a DISCUSSION board just because I'm DISCUSSING Janet's lip sycning doesn't mean I'm emotionally in this topic. You don't know me personally but I'm not surprised that you would deviate and rely on ad hominems. This is typical of people that can't properly hold a discussion and back up their claims.

So again, provide proof that my claims that this whole tour is lipped from start to finish is 'bogus'. You can't just say these sorts of things without backing it up.

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

See, that is the irony inherent in your response--I am not invested in whether or not Janet is "lipping" as you state. But you apparently are heavily invested emotionally in this topic. And, again, you haven't stated WHY you care so much whether Janet Jackson sings live or doesn't sing live. You keep asking for evidence refuting your hypothesis that she NEVER sings live. I never denied that she SOMETIMES doesn't sing live. But your conclusion that she ALWAYS "lip-synchs" to songs is a bogus conclusion. Again, why do you care one way or the other? Not that I really care.

Again, you continue to deviate the topic and didn't you say you were done with this debate? Make up your mind.

Like I've already stated this is a DISCUSSION board just because I'm DISCUSSING Janet's lip sycning doesn't mean I'm emotionally in this topic. You don't know me personally but I'm not surprised that you would deviate and rely on ad hominems. This is typical of people that can't properly hold a discussion and back up their claims.

So again, provide proof that my claims that this whole tour is lipped from start to finish is 'bogus'. You can't just say these sorts of things without backing it up.

I just stated that I examined your so-called "evidence" and find it lacking. I find that you can't back-up YOUR hypothesis that Janet ALWAYS "lips" her songs. YOU can't back up the claims that you make with your so-called evidence. That is why I suggested we agree to disagree. I think that you are wrong and you think that I am wrong. Therefore, we will never agree. So, why can't you just accept that many people don't agree with your conclusion? Otherwise, this dumb debate just goes on forever like so many stupid debates. So, in the end, you have your opinion and I have mine. And that is how and where it should end.

purplethunder3121 said:

I just stated that I examined your so-called "evidence" and find it lacking. I find that you can't back-up YOUR hypothesis that Janet ALWAYS "lips" her songs. YOU can't back up the claims that you make with your so-called evidence. That is why I suggested we agree to disagree. I think that you are wrong and you think that I am wrong. Therefore, we will never agree. So, why can't you just accept that many people don't agree with your conclusion? Otherwise, this dumb debate just goes on forever like so many stupid debates. So, in the end, you have your opinion and I have mine. And that is how and where it should end.

You've already stated that it's 'lacking'. Yet you failed to explain HOW and you never backed up your claims.

What do you mean I can't back-up my hypothesis that Janet always lips? I said this WHOLE tour is lipped and I've backed it up. People that actually clicked the link I posted noted that they're identical. I can post videos of several different shows that sound identical but I know you won't click on them because you already have your mind set. BTW, I'm starting to think you just became a fan. Janet is an expert at lip syncing but you don't understand this or the fact that she uses breathy pre-recorded vocals to give off the live vocal effect.

Once again who are these many people? Your imaginary friends? I guess when all else fails start co-signing with yourself.

[Edited 3/26/11 0:14am]

*yawn*

it's not whether she sings live or not nowadays, this kind of discussion has become so boring to even read

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I just stated that I examined your so-called "evidence" and find it lacking. I find that you can't back-up YOUR hypothesis that Janet ALWAYS "lips" her songs. YOU can't back up the claims that you make with your so-called evidence. That is why I suggested we agree to disagree. I think that you are wrong and you think that I am wrong. Therefore, we will never agree. So, why can't you just accept that many people don't agree with your conclusion? Otherwise, this dumb debate just goes on forever like so many stupid debates. So, in the end, you have your opinion and I have mine. And that is how and where it should end.

You've already stated that it's 'lacking'. Yet you failed to explain HOW and you never backed up your claims.

What do you mean I can't back-up my hypothesis that Janet always lips? I said this WHOLE tour is lipped and I've backed it up. People that actually clicked the link I posted noted that they're identical. I can post videos of several different shows that sound identical but I know you won't click on them because you already have your mind set. BTW, I'm starting to think you just became a fan. Janet is an expert at lip syncing but you don't understand this or the fact that she uses breathy pre-recorded vocals to give off the live vocal effect.

Once again who are these many people? Your imaginary friends? I guess when all else fails start co-signing with yourself.

[Edited 3/26/11 0:14am]

Once again, you have failed to back up your claims that Janet ALWAYS "lip-synchs." You can post videos of different shows but you will claim one thing from watching those and other people will claim another. The fact is that YOU already have YOUR mind set. I stated that we should just agree to disagree, but you are not willing to leave it at that. And for the umpteenth time, I ask again--why does it matter to you whether Janet sings all her songs live or not? You have never answered that question. And, I know you won't. So, the debate is now at an end. If you continue it, it will be to other people than me.

TotalAlisa said:

trueiopian said:

By the way, why can't the people in here claiming she's singing live provide proof? I've posted links and videos. Yet none of you did the same to point where Janet's voice sounded different.

I'm waiting...

im trying to figure out if your a janet fan.. cause you don't sound like one...

why are you going so hard about her lippping do you have anything better to complain about... WHO CARES IF SHE IS..... as long as your enjoying the show...

how would that affect your life she is sings live or lipped...

This Trueiopian person seems very familiar to me..........

purplethunder3121 said:

Once again, you have failed to back up your claims that Janet ALWAYS "lip-synchs." You can post videos of different shows but you will claim one thing from watching those and other people will claim another. The fact is that YOU already have YOUR mind set. I stated that we should just agree to disagree, but you are not willing to leave it at that. And for the umpteenth time, I ask again--why does it matter to you whether Janet sings all her songs live or not? You have never answered that question. And, I know you won't. So, the debate is now at an end. If you continue it, it will be to other people than me.

I cleary said Janet lipped this whole tour Nowhere did I state Janet lips all the time (Though I really can't recall the last time she sang a full song live). Don't twist my words.

No, I don't have my mind set. If I see a clip of Janet actually singing live then I will state that she's singing live. If not then I will say she's not. Thankfully, I'm not easily fooled like you and I'm willing to admit that Janet has flaws.

I cleary told you that this is a DISCUSSION board and I'm allowed to discuss and state my opinion just like everyone else. It's not about whether Janet sings live or not. It's about people like you refusing to take their head's out of her ass and face reality.

Yea, you said this debate ended posts ago yet you're still responding.

Anyway, the whole show is lipped and that includes the ballads. If you disagree, prove me wrong.

[Edited 3/26/11 2:40am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

TotalAlisa said:

im trying to figure out if your a janet fan.. cause you don't sound like one...

why are you going so hard about her lippping do you have anything better to complain about... WHO CARES IF SHE IS..... as long as your enjoying the show...

how would that affect your life she is sings live or lipped...

This Trueiopian person seems very familiar to me..........

If you have something to say to me quote me and say it. No need to be a pussy.

trueiopian said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Once again, you have failed to back up your claims that Janet ALWAYS "lip-synchs." You can post videos of different shows but you will claim one thing from watching those and other people will claim another. The fact is that YOU already have YOUR mind set. I stated that we should just agree to disagree, but you are not willing to leave it at that. And for the umpteenth time, I ask again--why does it matter to you whether Janet sings all her songs live or not? You have never answered that question. And, I know you won't. So, the debate is now at an end. If you continue it, it will be to other people than me.

I cleary said Janet lipped this whole tour Nowhere did I state Janet lips all the time (Though I really can't recall the last time she sang a full song live). Don't twist my words.

No, I don't have my mind set. If I see a clip of Janet actually singing live then I will state that she's singing live. If not then I will say she's not. Thankfully, I'm not easily fooled like you and I'm willing to admit that Janet has flaws.

I cleary told you that this is a DISCUSSION board and I'm allowed to discuss and state my opinion just like everyone else. It's not about whether Janet sings live or not. It's about people like you refusing to take their head's out of her ass and face reality.

Yea, you said this debate ended posts ago yet you're still responding.

Anyway, the whole show is lipped and that includes the ballads. If you disagree, prove me wrong.

[Edited 3/26/11 2:40am]

Anyway, you still haven't proved that Janet's entire show is "lipped" and you still have not for the unpteenth time stated why it is or isn't so important to you. Why do you care so much? Unless you are just the kind of person that can't be wrong no matter what! Geez! Why don't you just agree to disagree and let it go instead of posting your opinion as if it is a solid fact! This, despite opinions to the contrary!