I swear watching all this drama with MJ's family is so depressing. I would've never thought they were this leechy and desperate. How in the world did these people not look out for themselves?

And what scares me is, because they're desperate, what are they going to do next with MJ's kids to make some money? There's already a rumor going around that Mann did a documentary and of course MJ's kids appear in it and he's shopping it around for it to air around the 2 year anniversary of MJ's passing.

mookie said:

Alejandra: MJ Executors T...ve Me Out!

TMZ broke the story ... Katherine Jackson is trying to evict Alejandra from the residence, but Alejandra won't leave.

In her legal papers objecting to the eviction, Alejandra claims the Executors of MJ's estate are trying "to advance ulterior and pompous interests, which are not consistent with the wishes and values of Michael Jackson."

Alejandra claims Katherine doesn't even want her evicted, but says she was "pressured by the Estate" to get her out.

Alejandra claims the Estate is trying to divide and separate the Jackson family.

Alejandra says the Executors threatened to fumigate the house on January 3, 2011 whether she and her kids were in the house or not.

Alejandra also alleges the Executors shut off the gas and began changing the locks while she and the kids were there. She says the Executors even had all the food in the house packed up.

Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman tells TMZ, Alejandra's allegations are "preposterous."

You know this Alejandra has been living off the Jacksons way to long..

I wonder if I would if I could!

Not even... My Grandfather taught me to never depend on any man for my money... The best advice ever.

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This is what happens when you can't depend on yourselves and rely on other people for 25 years.

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Timmy84 said:

This is what happens when you can't depend on yourselves and rely on other people for 25 years.

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yep. and i hate to pat myself on the back, but i called this one. if you look at the arguments alejandra's lawyers are making in their court papers, they're saying more or less the same thing i said a few posts back: they feel that they are entitled to stay in the house b/c they have been living there for over 20 years, on mj's dime, he never made them leave, and this is what he and kat wanted. they even have the nerve to demand that the court appoint a guardian ad litem for jermajesty and jaafar at the estate's expense.

i argued that a court might find that mj, through his tacit approval of the arrangement, is responsible for the upkeep and well-being of these minor children, much like a man who isn't the biological father but who has been taking care of kids he thinks ARE his but the court will not release him from his obligation b/c the damage to the kids might be too great.

i can see a court siding w/ alejandra that the estate is obligated to provide for the minor boys until they reach majority, even if their father, jermaine, refuses to help.

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kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

This is what happens when you can't depend on yourselves and rely on other people for 25 years.

[Edited 3/4/11 10:39am]

yep. and i hate to pat myself on the back, but i called this one. if you look at the arguments alejandra's lawyers are making in their court papers, they're saying more or less the same thing i said a few posts back: they feel that they are entitled to stay in the house b/c they have been living there for over 20 years, on mj's dime, he never made them leave, and this is what he and kat wanted. they even have the nerve to demand that the court appoint a guardian ad litem for jermajesty and jaafar at the estate's expense.

i argued that a court might find that mj, through his tacit approval of the arrangement, is responsible for the upkeep and well-being of these minor children, much like a man who isn't the biological father but who has been taking care of kids he thinks ARE his but the court will not release him from his obligation b/c the damage to the kids might be too great.

i can see a court siding w/ alejandra that the estate is obligated to provide for the minor boys until they reach majority, even if their father, jermaine, refuses to help.

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Yeah and that's really the sad part. I often think this family can act way TOO NICE to people. I've never seen them (not even Joseph unless it was record labels) confront people openly about what it is they need to do. They've never struck me as that kind of family. Then when they're ready for battle it's already too late. That's why they almost lost their belongings to Henry Vaccaro and had to rely on another snake (Howard Mann) to get the stuff back if I read that blog entry right.

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

yep. and i hate to pat myself on the back, but i called this one. if you look at the arguments alejandra's lawyers are making in their court papers, they're saying more or less the same thing i said a few posts back: they feel that they are entitled to stay in the house b/c they have been living there for over 20 years, on mj's dime, he never made them leave, and this is what he and kat wanted. they even have the nerve to demand that the court appoint a guardian ad litem for jermajesty and jaafar at the estate's expense.

i argued that a court might find that mj, through his tacit approval of the arrangement, is responsible for the upkeep and well-being of these minor children, much like a man who isn't the biological father but who has been taking care of kids he thinks ARE his but the court will not release him from his obligation b/c the damage to the kids might be too great.

i can see a court siding w/ alejandra that the estate is obligated to provide for the minor boys until they reach majority, even if their father, jermaine, refuses to help.

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Yeah and that's really the sad part. I often think this family can act way TOO NICE to people. I've never seen them (not even Joseph unless it was record labels) confront people openly about what it is they need to do. They've never struck me as that kind of family. Then when they're ready for battle it's already too late. That's why they almost lost their belongings to Henry Vaccaro and had to rely on another snake (Howard Mann) to get the stuff back if I read that blog entry right.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and that's really the sad part. I often think this family can act way TOO NICE to people. I've never seen them (not even Joseph unless it was record labels) confront people openly about what it is they need to do. They've never struck me as that kind of family. Then when they're ready for battle it's already too late. That's why they almost lost their belongings to Henry Vaccaro and had to rely on another snake (Howard Mann) to get the stuff back if I read that blog entry right.

no, they didn't really get it back. mann bought it, and told kat that he had some 'incriminating' stuff of mj's, but if she was willing to do business with him, he could keep out of the public. so that's blackmail right there. if there was anything that damaging to mj, the police would have used it against him, so perhaps what he had was embarrassing at the very most and probably only if he could twist it into the worst possible light.

True. I almost couldn't believe what I was reading. Like are the Jacksons really that gullible? No wonder Michael (and Janet) didn't do business with their family.

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I read that Peewee Herman and Michael were really close and that Michael worked with Peewee on his playhouse but I can find the info nowhere.

Anyone know more about this?

La Toya Jackson Is 'Proud' Of Michael Jackson's Kids For 'Adjusting So Well'; Reveals Prince Michael's Hollywood Plans

Following the untimely death of their famous father, Michael Jackson's three children are all "doing well" according to La Toya Jackson, the late King of Pop's sister.

"They're doing really fine. I'm very proud of them and very happy and excited that they have adjusted so well," La Toya told Billy Bush and Kit Hoover of Prince Michael, 14, Paris, 12, and Prince Michael II ("Blanket"), 9, during an interview on Access Hollywood Live on Friday. " It can be challenging and interesting, but they have done a marvelous job of adjusting and I'm very happy. They're all doing well."

The proud aunt also revealed that Michael's eldest son, Prince Michael, has his sights set on Hollywood.

"Two weeks ago when I was with Prince he told me, 'I want to be an actor. I want to start acting.' I go, 'You're kidding. You do?'" La Toya told Billy and Kit. "I said, 'How do you plan to do that?' He said, 'Well, I'm going to get a coach and start acting. Then I'm going to get an agent and I know who I want my agent to be.'

"He went on and on. I said, 'OK, I'll support you - whatever you want to do," La Toya added.

La Toya is in the midst of her own Hollywood adventure - having signed on for Donald Trump's fourth season of "The Celebrity Apprentice."

"This show is going to be the best season that [Trump] has," La Toya smiled. "You're dealing with big personalities and everybody - they want to be that forefront... they do things their way.

"There's a lot going on in this season and you will see it," she added.

One of those "big personalities" appears to be La Toya's "Apprentice" castmate, NeNe Leakes (of "Real Housewives of Atlanta" fame), who bares her claws right off the bat.

"[NeNe] does come after me," La Toya told Billy and Kit. "It's something that we can't really go into details of... yet... but yes, she does come after me!"

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/la-toya-jackson-is-proud-of-michael-jacksons-kids-for-adjusting-so-well-reveals-prince-michaels-hollywood-plans/57808

MJJstudent said:

Swa said:

What a lunatic - seems now anyone can make a claim and if it can't be proven otherwise it remains allowable.

Read on, laugh on.

Michael Jackson 'chemically castrated' as child: doctor

(AFP) – 5 hours ago

MARSEILLE — Michael Jackson may have been more prince than king of pop, a French doctor says in a new book alleging his wide-ranging voice resulted from a childhood chemical castration to fight acne.

"When he died, I realised that he was an unusual phenomenon," Alain Branchereau, an opera buff and professor of vascular surgery at Timone University Hospital in France's Mediterranean port of Marseille, told AFP.

"I said, 'That's the voice of a castrato!'."

After discussing the voice with his colleagues, including endocrinologists, Branchereau ended up with the theory of chemical castration through the synthetic anti-male hormone drug Cyproterone.

"When he was 12, Michael Jackson had acne. We know this, he spoke about it himself as a tragedy. What I think could have happened is that his people suggested this miracle treatment," the doctor said.

Cyproterone "blocks puberty, the voice can't mature," he said, adding that he had read around 20 books on the subject, studied photographs and spoken to specialists in dermatology, voice physiology, plastic surgery, urology as well as to a former singer with the Petits Chanteurs de Sainte-Croix boys choir.

The drug stops bodily hair and the larynx from growing and affects the bones, leaving the body with a slight frame but a large chest.

Once the treatment is finished, the patient "keeps a child's larynx all his life in a man's body," said Branchereau.

The doctor also noted that a male voice breaks during adolescence, becoming difficult to control. "But Michael Jackson never stopped singing," he said.

"An important part of my theory is this voice's exceptional character, which covers three octaves. But I haven't found any grown men's voices that cover three octaves."

Branchereau admitted that he had not contacted Jackson's family or friends for his book, "Michael Jackson, the secret of a voice," due out on March 9.

"We will never have proof," the doctor said. "Unless his entourage says something."

Copyright © 2011 AFP. All rights reserved.

WOOOOOOOOOOOW.... never mind the fact that we've been over this before, and it's already been established (by folks like seth riggs) that michael's voice was actually deep, and the high-pitched voice he did was an aspect of his public performative self. never mind that when he spoke sometimes in live performances, his voice was far from high. and i don't think three octaves in a man is that unusual. he was a tenor, generally. the man practised so much though. he was a notorious perfectionist.

and never mind the fact that the autopsy states the total opposite of what this report says. i'm not sure why people are still wanting to argue that michael was castrated. why y'all wanna go and castrate a black man like that, huh? HUH??!!

these stories are funny, because there is no concrete proof at all. makes for great comedy.

^^^ Your posts have me thinking. I have been a long time MJ fan since I was a kid but now I wonder about him being pressured to use the same voice that he had as a kid. That would make total sense to me that he would try and maintain what he knew was successful. I think he had a three octave range by nature and not because of any delusional theories about "chemical castration." That is so far-fetched that it is laughable. I don't care if this is a deluded Doctor or not--just smacks to me of trying yet again for someone to make a buck off MJ. It is not far-fetched that men would have a three octave range in their voices, if women can. Does anyone remember Barbra Steisand or Julie Andrews?

mimi07 said:

armpit said:

To be fair - none of you knew MJ or his mom or knew anything about their relationship in order to say something as fucked up as she never loved her son.

To even go there is just in incredibly poor taste.

Why can't you people just be quiet and stick to the shit you DO actually know something about, which is the music.

Exactly, fans like that are nuts. They may have all Michael's cd's, knoow all his lyrics, memorized his dance steps, floowed him through the years in the media and they think they know they knew the many personally. Calling michael's family especially his mother the exact same names the tabloids called him, shame.

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Most fans have taken a very hard look a Katherine Jackson and finally opened their eyes

They are the ones who are truly sad to realize what is she, if not worse than Joseph

Those of us in the older fan base grew up like Michael showing respect to our elders no

matter what. So it really is a turning point when some fans finally open their eyes. Those

of us older were spoon-fed a steady diet of right on, ebony, jet magazines of the happy

Jackson Family only to understand what a actual fraud that was back then. But also

when you look back at those magazines you should other musical families & acting families

none of their parents ever planted themselves on the cover of magazines, as tour mgrs etc

and alot of young black enterntainers went on to have fruitful careers behind the scenes of

the black showbiz world or became lawyers & doctors etc. after they outgrew their careers.

To me over the past year and half she has proven to be something of kin to a Female version

of Bernie Madoff. Image how much money Michael gave her over the years and it was still not enough. If the Estate gave a lump some of money today I'm talking in the millions

who doesn't think she wouldn't get up the following day and start scamming MJ Fans of their

money like the Heal the World Foundation. Her open house policy at Michael's expense

is why Alejandro is still there and dozens of cousins. To me calling someone un-well mentally

is not an insult its just a fact she & joseph have proven over & over again. I have a higher

love for MJ today realizing now he had to go through life with not 1 but 2 unstable parents its truly amazing how he continued to create music under such pressure.

nina71 said:

mimi07 said:

Exactly, fans like that are nuts. They may have all Michael's cd's, knoow all his lyrics, memorized his dance steps, floowed him through the years in the media and they think they know they knew the many personally. Calling michael's family especially his mother the exact same names the tabloids called him, shame.

[Edited 3/2/11 19:10pm]

Most fans have taken a very hard look a Katherine Jackson and finally opened their eyes

They are the ones who are truly sad to realize what is she, if not worse than Joseph

Those of us in the older fan base grew up like Michael showing respect to our elders no

matter what. So it really is a turning point when some fans finally open their eyes. Those

of us older were spoon-fed a steady diet of right on, ebony, jet magazines of the happy

Jackson Family only to understand what a actual fraud that was back then. But also

when you look back at those magazines you should other musical families & acting families

none of their parents ever planted themselves on the cover of magazines, as tour mgrs etc

and alot of young black enterntainers went on to have fruitful careers behind the scenes of

the black showbiz world or became lawyers & doctors etc. after they outgrew their careers.

To me over the past year and half she has proven to be something of kin to a Female version

of Bernie Madoff. Image how much money Michael gave her over the years and it was still not enough. If the Estate gave a lump some of money today I'm talking in the millions

who doesn't think she wouldn't get up the following day and start scamming MJ Fans of their

money like the Heal the World Foundation. Her open house policy at Michael's expense

is why Alejandro is still there and dozens of cousins. To me calling someone un-well mentally

is not an insult its just a fact she & joseph have proven over & over again. I have a higher

love for MJ today realizing now he had to go through life with not 1 but 2 unstable parents its truly amazing how he continued to create music under such pressure.

Just a final thought if Katherine & Joseph were stable minded people

why is it the spend half their lives hiding behind their children for 40years & all the energy it toke to plot & plan different ways to exploit the talent & fame of their children & now their grandchildren. they constantly coming up the ideas for different scams which they think are

real business ideas. That's one of the greater tragedies in this, Image what they

could have achieved in their own right If they were of actual sound minds