babybugz said:

There was a time when I was up The Jackson’s butt crack as far as knowing everything they doing on a daily basis. I’m happy I left that and moved on I have no problem blasting can you feel it and ignoring their Drama at this point. I think everything said in this thread has been said too many times to count and it's not changing anything. Michael left his children with his family and just have to deal with it , I know people are concern but it's nothing you can do . Their drama causes headaches and i'm tired of taking meds to get rid of them

[Edited 2/25/11 15:11pm]

In spite of everything, I still do have hope that they will live productive lives as they grow up.

MOL said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I watched the interview again, and now I'm beginning to think that this really was all about getting publicity for this foundation. The kids were at the transition house, wearing the HTW T-shirts and giving a check on behalf of the foundation--while the cameras were rolling. Coincidence? I think this whole thing was set up by Howard Mann and the main purpose was to get PR for the foundation so that people will donate to it. Oh yeah and to plug Kat's book. I really hope whatever money that gets donated to this foundation actually goes to help people and not Mann's bank account.

/0982800002/ref=dp_top_cm...ewpoints=1

Cant believe they charge $20 just for shipping! Not Amazon but that other place--Mann's website. $20 s&h whatta crock! Going by these reviews doesnt sound like the book is all that.

The thing is: there is NO charity involved. The Heal the W.F. is fake and its only purpose is to make money for Mann, Melissa and Katherine Jackson.They pass the image that it is a charity but it is a fraud as the estate and even courtrooms have proven. The point is to led people to believe it is geniune, donate money to it and then the sharks fill their pockets.

The interview is also a part of the contract KJ has with Mann. According to it, MJ3 will have to work for Mann for the rest of their lives so Katherine and the porn producer can make money. The best part: the kids won't make a dime.

The estate is suing Mann and the HTWF and, yet, Katherine is using the kids to promote it. Basically, she is putting the kids against Michael's estate while profiting off of them shamelessly and selling them to a porn producer. Now we know why Michael wanted NOTHING to do with them and adopted other families. Criminal people.

[Edited 2/25/11 13:35pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

Thanks, that was a nice interview the kids seem well adjusted and chill, good for them.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

There was a time when I was up The Jackson’s butt crack as far as knowing everything they doing on a daily basis. I’m happy I left that and moved on I have no problem blasting can you feel it and ignoring their Drama at this point. I think everything said in this thread has been said too many times to count and it's not changing anything. Michael left his children with his family and just have to deal with it , I know people are concern but it's nothing you can do . Their drama causes headaches and i'm tired of taking meds to get rid of them

[Edited 2/25/11 15:11pm]

In spite of everything, I still do have hope that they will live productive lives as they grow up.

i think they will.

NMuzakNSoul said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Some interesting info on a Marlon Jackson penned song from 1985, titled "Human Lives." http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

you got chris on facebook? you should email that to him

NaughtyKitty said:

MOL said:

The thing is: there is NO charity involved. The Heal the W.F. is fake and its only purpose is to make money for Mann, Melissa and Katherine Jackson.They pass the image that it is a charity but it is a fraud as the estate and even courtrooms have proven. The point is to led people to believe it is geniune, donate money to it and then the sharks fill their pockets.

The interview is also a part of the contract KJ has with Mann. According to it, MJ3 will have to work for Mann for the rest of their lives so Katherine and the porn producer can make money. The best part: the kids won't make a dime.

The estate is suing Mann and the HTWF and, yet, Katherine is using the kids to promote it. Basically, she is putting the kids against Michael's estate while profiting off of them shamelessly and selling them to a porn producer. Now we know why Michael wanted NOTHING to do with them and adopted other families. Criminal people.

[Edited 2/25/11 13:35pm]

And see this is what bothers me--that this foundation is nothing but a front to make money for Mann, Melissa and Katherine. The whole purpose of today's interview was to publicize this fraudulent foundation in order to get donations for it. And they used the innocent kids as pawns.

Thanks for the info MOL. I just dont understand Katherine's reasoning for wanting to be involved in these shady activities. Maybe she doesnt know the whole deal--but then again how can she not have been told by someone about what and WHO she's involved with?

Don't be naive, Naughty. Katherine KNOWS FULL WELL with whom she's dealing with. She was the one who signed the contract to contractually enslave her grandchildren for the rest of their lives, remember it?

The other day I was watching an interview. In that int., KJ said this: "When Michael bought the catalog, he told me that now, we were never going to worry about money again. But then he gave it to his kids.". And you could hear resentment in her voice while talking about how MJ gave it to the kids. You could hear sadness, confusion and MAINLY hatred.

Stop talking about the woman as if she was a saint who, poor she, is only in this deal because she is a victim. She's as much a criminal as her pathetic husband Joe and her pathetic children, mainly Randy (the psycopath).

babybugz said:

There was a time when I was up The Jackson’s butt crack as far as knowing everything they doing on a daily basis. I’m happy I left that and moved on I have no problem blasting can you feel it and ignoring their Drama at this point. I think everything said in this thread has been said too many times to count and it's not changing anything. Michael left his children with his family and just have to deal with it , I know people are concern but it's nothing you can do . Their drama causes headaches and i'm tired of taking meds to get rid of them

[Edited 2/25/11 15:11pm]

yeah I have come a long way myself, I'm tired of their bullshit and just focus on the music

bboy87 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Some interesting info on a Marlon Jackson penned song from 1985, titled "Human Lives." http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

you got chris on facebook? you should email that to him

There is a place for Katherine and Joe along with Agnes Carpenter.

carlcranshaw said:

There is a place for Katherine and Joe along with Agnes Carpenter.

NO, THERE ISN'T.

Agnes was a good mother who worked her ass off for her children. She loved them, despite having flaws. Comparing her to cruel, dirty, subhuman, amoral, evil, freakish and all-around defectuous people, like Joe and Katherine, is a slander to her memory.

MOL said:

carlcranshaw said:

There is a place for Katherine and Joe along with Agnes Carpenter.

NO, THERE ISN'T.

Agnes was a good mother who worked her ass off for her children. She loved them, despite having flaws. Comparing her to cruel, dirty, subhuman, amoral, evil, freakish and all-around defectuous people, like Joe and Katherine, is a slander to her memory.

I'll give Joe and Katherine the side-eye every once in a while, but that's a little harsh.

bboy87 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

double

MyNameIsPiper said:

MOL said:

NO, THERE ISN'T.

Agnes was a good mother who worked her ass off for her children. She loved them, despite having flaws. Comparing her to cruel, dirty, subhuman, amoral, evil, freakish and all-around defectuous people, like Joe and Katherine, is a slander to her memory.

I'll give Joe and Katherine the side-eye every once in a while, but that's a little harsh.

That's because you don't know one ninth of what they did/do.

MOL said:

NaughtyKitty said:

And see this is what bothers me--that this foundation is nothing but a front to make money for Mann, Melissa and Katherine. The whole purpose of today's interview was to publicize this fraudulent foundation in order to get donations for it. And they used the innocent kids as pawns.

Thanks for the info MOL. I just dont understand Katherine's reasoning for wanting to be involved in these shady activities. Maybe she doesnt know the whole deal--but then again how can she not have been told by someone about what and WHO she's involved with?

Don't be naive, Naughty. Katherine KNOWS FULL WELL with whom she's dealing with. She was the one who signed the contract to contractually enslave her grandchildren for the rest of their lives, remember it?

The other day I was watching an interview. In that int., KJ said this: "When Michael bought the catalog, he told me that now, we were never going to worry about money again. But then he gave it to his kids.". And you could hear resentment in her voice while talking about how MJ gave it to the kids. You could hear sadness, confusion and MAINLY hatred.

Stop talking about the woman as if she was a saint who, poor she, is only in this deal because she is a victim. She's as much a criminal as her pathetic husband Joe and her pathetic children, mainly Randy (the psycopath).

WOW! she actually said that... i'm not surprised... but wow. just sad proof, if no one wanted to believe it, of how his mother, just like his father, used him as a cash cow. i mean, we saw this during the 'victory' tour, and the moonies fiasco. why would she be upset that he would give the catalog to his children? (don't answer that). katherine, THEY ARE HIS CHILDREN!!! hello??!!

"but then he gave it to his kids." if there is any sign of greed in that family... in a lot of ways this comment is worse than anything joe jackson has said. at least joe always kept it real. he's always been very clear in his intent. katherine is showing her true colours even more, in terms of disrespect for her son, and her grandchildren.

michael supported her when he was alive. let his children have an opportunity. their father left this earth, and they are still minors. have some sympathy for your grandchildren and how they are struggling. wow.

MOL said:

NaughtyKitty said:

And see this is what bothers me--that this foundation is nothing but a front to make money for Mann, Melissa and Katherine. The whole purpose of today's interview was to publicize this fraudulent foundation in order to get donations for it. And they used the innocent kids as pawns.

Thanks for the info MOL. I just dont understand Katherine's reasoning for wanting to be involved in these shady activities. Maybe she doesnt know the whole deal--but then again how can she not have been told by someone about what and WHO she's involved with?

Don't be naive, Naughty. Katherine KNOWS FULL WELL with whom she's dealing with. She was the one who signed the contract to contractually enslave her grandchildren for the rest of their lives, remember it?

The other day I was watching an interview. In that int., KJ said this: "When Michael bought the catalog, he told me that now, we were never going to worry about money again. But then he gave it to his kids.". And you could hear resentment in her voice while talking about how MJ gave it to the kids. You could hear sadness, confusion and MAINLY hatred.

Stop talking about the woman as if she was a saint who, poor she, is only in this deal because she is a victim. She's as much a criminal as her pathetic husband Joe and her pathetic children, mainly Randy (the psycopath).

I never said KJ was a saint, nor do I think she is one. But either she knows what she is doing and is just as greedy and selfish as it appears by her actions, or she thinks she knows what she's doing but really doesnt, and is caught up with the shady Mann guy without fully knowing the what all she is dealing with or who she's really dealing with. But I find it hard to believe that no one has spoken with her about Mann, the HTW foundation and other matters. And her quote about the catalog is quite disturbing. And I know she signed that contract--but I always wondered if she actually read the whole thing and fully understood what it said or did she just blindly sign away at the insistence of Mann or others...

Anyways, here are some pictures that were taken of MJ3 at that transition place:

MJ's Kids Give Away $10,000 to Honor Dad

2/26/2011 12:50 AM PST by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's children definitely have the bug -- the one that makes you give away large sums ofmoney -- because they just helped make a $10,000 donation to one of MJ's favorite charities.



Earlier this week, Prince, Paris, and Blanket presented a check for $10K to the L.A. Housing Corporation -- a group that provides shelter for homeless families. Sources tell us Michael used to take his kids to volunteer with the group.

We're told the massive chunk o' change came from grandma Katherine Jackson's memorabilia biz.

MJ's heirs made the donation on behalf of his Heal the World Foundation. All three of them joined the group's Youth Board of Advisors last year.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/0...oundation/

Also here is a copy of the preliminary injunction that was filed against the HTW foundation by the Estate:

http://www.rosespeaks.com...nction.pdf

MOL said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

I'll give Joe and Katherine the side-eye every once in a while, but that's a little harsh.

That's because you don't know one ninth of what they did/do.

And you do? do you know them personally? the way you speak of them you'd think they committed a genocide or have plans for mass destruction. Those are Michael's parents they are not perfect but no one is, they do some questionable things but they aren't evil people. You seem to speak more emotionally than rationally.

dag said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

Barry is the one with all of MJ's unreleased music. He's the one that's been releasing all the demos! Trying to tease people with snippets

NMuzakNSoul said:

God, how sad. MJ just sounds amazing.

mookie said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

God, how sad. MJ just sounds amazing.

He really does! The song sounds Pre-Thriller but Post-Invincible. Anyone know the year it was recorded?

ViintageJunkiie said:

mookie said:

God, how sad. MJ just sounds amazing.

He really does! The song sounds Pre-Thriller but Post-Invincible. Anyone know the year it was recorded?

2002/2003 if i recall

NMuzakNSoul said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

He really does! The song sounds Pre-Thriller but Post-Invincible. Anyone know the year it was recorded?

2002/2003 if i recall

Thanks

He sounds young and refreshing on the track, but the roughness of the vocals sounds later

NaughtyKitty said:

MOL said:

I never said KJ was a saint, nor do I think she is one. But either she knows what she is doing and is just as greedy and selfish as it appears by her actions, or she thinks she knows what she's doing but really doesnt, and is caught up with the shady Mann guy without fully knowing the what all she is dealing with or who she's really dealing with. But I find it hard to believe that no one has spoken with her about Mann, the HTW foundation and other matters. And her quote about the catalog is quite disturbing. And I know she signed that contract--but I always wondered if she actually read the whole thing and fully understood what it said or did she just blindly sign away at the insistence of Mann or others...

Here's a good post I found:

What is really going on here is that there is "Michael Jackson" the PERSON, and "Michael Jackson" the brand. That brand/name is to be exclusively used by the estate, to generate more wealth. That wealth eventually goes to the CHILDREN. Money generated by Michael Jackson the BRAND, by Howard Mann, does NOT go to the children. In filing the lawsuit against Mann, the estate is protecting the children's interests. What is shocking is that the children are being used for promotion, for something that is counter to their own interests. Everyone get that? The kids are being used by the Jacksons as means to reach ends. Remember how they "agreed" the songs were fake in Mann's website? Remember how they "told" Latoya AEG was all meanie? Remember when the Jacksons were selling the story about Prince watching MJ die so they could use him to create lawsuits (the emotional distress one, remember?)? Remember how the kids are being used at every turn to fill Joe's and Katherine's pockets? Remember how Randy had a deal with the tabloids to expose the kids for cash? And the list goes on. My take: take the children outta of Hayvenhurst ASAP. They are in danger with that insane family.

so all this "Get the kids away from the family" stuff being said, where should they go?

Debbie Rowe? but Blanket isn't her child.....

Diana Ross? does Diana really wanna raise 3 more kids after she's raised her own?

things you gotta consider in this situation....

It's a real mess. Least if anything, someone's gotta realize, especially those in the family, that Katherine's being duped. The Jacksons just keep getting themselves into sham after sham and don't realize it until it's too late. Within a year, we may hear about Mann suing KATHERINE or vice versa.

bboy87 said:

so all this "Get the kids away from the family" stuff being said, where should they go?

Debbie Rowe? but Blanket isn't her child.....

Diana Ross? does Diana really wanna raise 3 more kids after she's raised her own?

things you gotta consider in this situation....

It's selfishness, fans who want the kids taken away are hoping for that to satisfy their twisted needs since they are too good to be with the jacksons, they hate when the media claims they aren't real jacksons but they feel no different themselves, they're really almost as bad. Do these fans think about where these kids would live? how they feel? how it feels to lose your only parentand then loose the stability they've had since his death? They may hate katherine and the rest but i'm sure Michael's kids don't, that's the only family they know. Their lives aren't in danger, people need to mind their business when it comes to custody, these are 3 human beings with feels and they're old enough to have a say in things.

Timmy84 said:

Within a year, we may hear about Mann suing KATHERINE or vice versa.

I keep seeing fans say this, but why would he sue her? He's "in" with the kids. You know how much money he could end up making with them in the future? Why would a leech like him mess that up?

mookie said:

Timmy84 said:

Within a year, we may hear about Mann suing KATHERINE or vice versa.

I keep seeing fans say this, but why would he sue her? He's "in" with the kids. You know how much money he could end up making with them in the future? Why would a leech like him mess that up?

It's possible if Katherine discovers she's being ripped off. That's what's so confusing about this.