TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

your outrage is based on the false assumption that 911 calls are private. they are not. they are a government service, funded by taxpayers, therefore subject to FOI requests.

CORRECTION: My "outrage" (your word of choice) is based on a sad but true reality that our U.S. Constitutional Rights are quietly being taken away in the name of national security & giving TMZ freedom of information to anyone's 911 phone conversations. And you, Errant, want to sit there in front of your computer and tell me that there is nothing wrong with that?!?

Whatever. But thank you for convincing me that you don't give a damn about constitution rights.

Repeating: the Freedom of Information Act is one of the most useful tools in protecting your constitutional rights. It allows reporters and private citizens to get their hands on what the government is up to and keep a certain level of transparency. As I said, there are unfortunate down sides to it, but on the whole it's doing more good than bad. You completely misunderstand the concept of FOI.

Shameful that this wasn't stickied.

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

If they are only recording artists, why did the FBI kept files on MJ, John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Paul Roberson, etc. What about those McCarthy era "Hollywood Communist" blacklists decades ago? Why did the government start those payola trials only when Rock N Roll became popular? They had no problem with it before then, nor with the mafia running the entertainment business.

OFF-TOPIC: According to Ringo Starr, Elvis Presley (who was U.S. secret agent) was the one that told the FBI & the CIA that they need to take John Lennon as a threat during to Lennon's socialist views. THIS is the same CIA that in later years would be close to the area where Lennon was murdered by Mark David Chapman, and they didn't do a damn thing to prevent it at all.

As for Michael Jackson (without going into too much detail), there is already a video footage on YouTube when Michael admitted that he was always consider a threat in pop culture because he was the first black male recording artist that non-black teenage girls worldwide ever had a crush on, especially at the height of Thriller-mania AND the Bad era. This alone was more than enough for the FBI to be "convince" that a black man like Michael had too much influence over the youths.

BACK ON-TOPIC: A couple of pages earlier, I had a small list of r&b/soul legends (including Teena & Michael) that have died within the age of 50-something or younger since the year 1999. I've never said OR hinted that it was a conspiracy. But despite what I did said (HINT: when I said "Conspiracy?", exactly like that with a question mark that means that we don't know the evidences yet) and what I did NOT say, I will still have some orgers (whom names I will not mention) that wasted no time wanting people to "sweep this under the rug" and pretend that we can not have the right to saying exactly what we think AND how we feel when we know that something is not right within any news report.

But nonetheless, I still wonder why Teena was forced to wait a whole 3 weeks before she was able to see a neurologist. I know I told Timmy that it was the sad case of "too many patients and never enough doctors". But even that conclusion is too easy to draw.

prodigalfan said:

TonyVanDam said:

OFF-TOPIC: According to Ringo Starr, Elvis Presley (who was U.S. secret agent) was the one that told the FBI & the CIA that they need to take John Lennon as a threat during to Lennon's socialist views. THIS is the same CIA that in later years would be close to the area where Lennon was murdered by Mark David Chapman, and they didn't do a damn thing to prevent it at all.

As for Michael Jackson (without going into too much detail), there is already a video footage on YouTube when Michael admitted that he was always consider a threat in pop culture because he was the first black male recording artist that non-black teenage girls worldwide ever had a crush on, especially at the height of Thriller-mania AND the Bad era. This alone was more than enough for the FBI to be "convince" that a black man like Michael had too much influence over the youths.

BACK ON-TOPIC: A couple of pages earlier, I had a small list of r&b/soul legends (including Teena & Michael) that have died within the age of 50-something or younger since the year 1999. I've never said OR hinted that it was a conspiracy. But despite what I did said (HINT: when I said "Conspiracy?", exactly like that with a question mark that means that we don't know the evidences yet) and what I did NOT say, I will still have some orgers (whom names I will not mention) that wasted no time wanting people to "sweep this under the rug" and pretend that we can not have the right to saying exactly what we think AND how we feel when we know that something is not right within any news report.

But nonetheless, I still wonder why Teena was forced to wait a whole 3 weeks before she was able to see a neurologist. I know I told Timmy that it was the sad case of "too many patients and never enough doctors". But even that conclusion is too easy to draw.

My thought on this is... it was a combination of things.. the holidays coming up, and the patient (Teena )trying to fit in an appt with a busy schedule. Sad to say but many times patients will put off going to the doctor for serious symptoms because they are afraid and will look for any excuse to delay going... (ie, too early in the morning appt, too close to the holiday, can't take off from work). Most times things will work out okay. Sometimes they will not. I had 2 patients who wanted to wait until after the holidays to have a diagnostic procedure. On January 3, neither showed up for their scheduled procedures. Both died during Christmas week. :disbelief: Of course if this is the case with Teena, we will never hear that she put off going to the doctor. It will be told that she couldn't get in for an appt. With Teena reported changing her dose of meds without MD supervision... I would not be surprised that she was reluctant to go to MD.

That is awful.

silverchild said:

I've been blasting this underrated jam from the Ivory album all week and I can't stop. Too infectious and catchy...

I LOVE this song so much.....infectious and catchy is right...It does something to me and takes me to a very serene and peaceful place. Thanks for sharing!

TonyVanDam said:

prodigalfan said:

My thought on this is... it was a combination of things.. the holidays coming up, and the patient (Teena )trying to fit in an appt with a busy schedule. Sad to say but many times patients will put off going to the doctor for serious symptoms because they are afraid and will look for any excuse to delay going... (ie, too early in the morning appt, too close to the holiday, can't take off from work). Most times things will work out okay. Sometimes they will not. I had 2 patients who wanted to wait until after the holidays to have a diagnostic procedure. On January 3, neither showed up for their scheduled procedures. Both died during Christmas week. :disbelief: Of course if this is the case with Teena, we will never hear that she put off going to the doctor. It will be told that she couldn't get in for an appt. With Teena reported changing her dose of meds without MD supervision... I would not be surprised that she was reluctant to go to MD.

That is awful.

yes, my office mate was the one who called their homes to find out why they were not here. She talked to both widows. The first one was a shock, when she called the 2nd one and the same thing it was beyond belief. One heart attack, the other massive stroke. In both cases, they "didn't want to ruin their families holidays."

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All that work and no sticky for Teena huh?

The first artists to dedicate their memory to Teena (and an ailing Aretha Franklin) are Lloyd and Patti LaBelle.

The two recently got together to do a remake of Lloyd's single, "Lay It Down", which ironically sampled Patti's 1984 hit, "Love, Need & Want You".

Here's the link to listen: http://www.thesource.com/...ser4pea006

It's not so much a tribute but Lloyd does mention Teena and Aretha by name.

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Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Soul is a genre. It doesn't say "Queen of Ivory Soul". It's no different than saying "blue-eyed soul". Daryl Hall has said he doesn't like that term. I've also seen groups like Living Colour called "Black rock" and Charlie Pride referred to as a "Black country singer". I've also heard Black people call Rock N' Roll "White boy" music. People are into race I guess. James Brown used to give himself all kinds of titles. Is "New New Super Heavy Funk" a genre? Because James is the "Minister" of it.

To be quite honest, I'm quite PISSED people gotta put race behind anything. I never at once thought of Teena in terms of race, same with Darryl Hall, Todd Rundgren and even Charlie Pride. If you're filled with music, no matter what genre, it shouldn't be based on color but I guess since we're so fragmented when it comes to race relations, I guess labeling it puts smiles on people's faces. It just don't put a smile on mine's or maybe I'm someone who thinks music should be color-blind.

That's because you're younger and weren't around in the early 1980s years after the "death" of disco. Radio was extremely segregated during those days and anything rhythmic whatsoever (which they considered "black") was damn near completely banned from pop radio. The only way black artists could get airplay on pop radio was for them to water down their music.

Teena had already made her mark on R&B radio during the disco era so she already had a record deal. With her being white, she could have easily "played it white" and adjusted to weaker, more mellow stuff that was being played on pop radio at the time (Air Supply, REO Speedwagon, etc.). She would have also stood a much better chance of being successful on pop radio than the few black artists that crossed over at the time because she was white herself and it was very obvious that pop radio did not want anything to do with anything that sounded too disco, in other words, "too black".

This bad ass lady didn't give a damn though. She came back hard, strong, funky, and "black" with "Behind The Groove". It was almost like she was giving the pop/rock world the finger and just because pop radio had become so racist at the time, she didn't sell out to that bullshit just because of their foolishness. She continued making what she wanted to which was R&B and most importantly above all else....funk! Because funk is what matters above anything else.

No, but there's no way I can think of her and not think of race because I can relate to her so much myself on a personal level going through a lot of what she probably went through during that same era. Remember, this was years before Vanilla Ice and Eminem who came out in completely safe and acceptable eras. Not that those two are worth a damn, but I'm just sayin'.

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vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

To be quite honest, I'm quite PISSED people gotta put race behind anything. I never at once thought of Teena in terms of race, same with Darryl Hall, Todd Rundgren and even Charlie Pride. If you're filled with music, no matter what genre, it shouldn't be based on color but I guess since we're so fragmented when it comes to race relations, I guess labeling it puts smiles on people's faces. It just don't put a smile on mine's or maybe I'm someone who thinks music should be color-blind.

That's because you're younger and weren't around in the early 1980s years after the "death" of disco. Radio was extremely segregated during those days and anything rhythmic whatsoever (which they considered "black") was damn near completely banned from pop radio. The only way black artists could get airplay on pop radio was for them to water down their music.

Teena had already made her mark on R&B radio during the disco era so she already had a record deal. With her being white, she could have easily "played it white" and adjusted to weaker, more mellow stuff that was being played on pop radio at the time (Air Supply, REO Speedwagon, etc.). She would have also stood a much better chance of being successful on pop radio than the few black artists that crossed over at the time because she was white herself and it was very obvious that pop radio did not want anything to do with anything that sounded too disco, in other words, "too black".

This bad ass lady didn't give a damn though. She came back hard, strong, funky, and "black" with "Behind The Groove". It was almost like she was giving the pop/rock world the finger and just because pop radio had become so racist at the time, she didn't sell out to that bullshit just because of their foolishness. She continued making what she wanted to which was R&B and most importantly above all else....funk! Because funk is what matters above anything else.

No, but there's no way I can think of her and not think of race because I can relate to her so much myself on a personal level going through a lot of what she probably went through during that same era. Remember, this was years before Vanilla Ice and Eminem who came out in completely safe and acceptable eras. Not that those two are worth a damn, but I'm just sayin'.

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When it comes to Vanilla Ice, race DOES come up. But not with Teena.

Timmy84 said:

The first artists to dedicate their memory to Teena (and an ailing Aretha Franklin) are Lloyd and Patti LaBelle.

The two recently got together to do a remake of Lloyd's single, "Lay It Down", which ironically sampled Patti's 1984 hit, "Love, Need & Want You".

Marsha Ambrosius performed a cover version of ‘Yes Indeed’ this week.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

That's because you're younger and weren't around in the early 1980s years after the "death" of disco. Radio was extremely segregated during those days and anything rhythmic whatsoever (which they considered "black") was damn near completely banned from pop radio. The only way black artists could get airplay on pop radio was for them to water down their music.

Teena had already made her mark on R&B radio during the disco era so she already had a record deal. With her being white, she could have easily "played it white" and adjusted to weaker, more mellow stuff that was being played on pop radio at the time (Air Supply, REO Speedwagon, etc.). She would have also stood a much better chance of being successful on pop radio than the few black artists that crossed over at the time because she was white herself and it was very obvious that pop radio did not want anything to do with anything that sounded too disco, in other words, "too black".

This bad ass lady didn't give a damn though. She came back hard, strong, funky, and "black" with "Behind The Groove". It was almost like she was giving the pop/rock world the finger and just because pop radio had become so racist at the time, she didn't sell out to that bullshit just because of their foolishness. She continued making what she wanted to which was R&B and most importantly above all else....funk! Because funk is what matters above anything else.

No, but there's no way I can think of her and not think of race because I can relate to her so much myself on a personal level going through a lot of what she probably went through during that same era. Remember, this was years before Vanilla Ice and Eminem who came out in completely safe and acceptable eras. Not that those two are worth a damn, but I'm just sayin'.

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When it comes to Vanilla Ice, race DOES come up. But not with Teena.

Well see, with both Vanilla Ice and Eminem, they both came out a time when the majority of black artists had weakened down their music sooooo much chasing after that crossover success, that black music had become totally acceptable in the pop/rock world. Funk was practically extinct and that rhythmic black "jungle music" as they loved to call it was gone. Both Vanilla Ice and Eminem were making rap (which was considered black music) but they were marketed to a white audience. They also dated their own race. Teena, on the other hand, made black music when it was totally shunned by the pop/rock world and it was marketed to black audiences. She also dated black men not only openly, but flaunted it. She did as she damn well pleased and didn't give a damn whether anyone liked it or not. She would have never been accepted in the pop/rock world during her early years.

I guess what it all boils down to is, even though I absolutely love her earlier albums, I totally admire her strength as a person above all else, including her music. Because Lord knows, I stopped listening to her new music once the 1990s came along. That boldness to do as you damn well please totally in the open not giving a damn if anyone else liked it, has always been something that inspired me and helped me cope with rough times in my own life.

^^ Teena sound like she was selling out to trends at the end and it made hearing the good side of that music hard over a period of time. I tried to love La Dona but something about it seemed off for some reason. I did love "Black Rain" from that album though.

Identity said:

Timmy84 said:

The first artists to dedicate their memory to Teena (and an ailing Aretha Franklin) are Lloyd and Patti LaBelle.

The two recently got together to do a remake of Lloyd's single, "Lay It Down", which ironically sampled Patti's 1984 hit, "Love, Need & Want You".

Marsha Ambrosius performed a cover version of ‘Yes Indeed’ this week.

Oops I missed that. Also Truth Hurts did an acapella version of "Deja Vu". Harlepolis posted it this morning.

Timmy84 said:

vainandy said:

That's because you're younger and weren't around in the early 1980s years after the "death" of disco. Radio was extremely segregated during those days and anything rhythmic whatsoever (which they considered "black") was damn near completely banned from pop radio. The only way black artists could get airplay on pop radio was for them to water down their music.

Teena had already made her mark on R&B radio during the disco era so she already had a record deal. With her being white, she could have easily "played it white" and adjusted to weaker, more mellow stuff that was being played on pop radio at the time (Air Supply, REO Speedwagon, etc.). She would have also stood a much better chance of being successful on pop radio than the few black artists that crossed over at the time because she was white herself and it was very obvious that pop radio did not want anything to do with anything that sounded too disco, in other words, "too black".

This bad ass lady didn't give a damn though. She came back hard, strong, funky, and "black" with "Behind The Groove". It was almost like she was giving the pop/rock world the finger and just because pop radio had become so racist at the time, she didn't sell out to that bullshit just because of their foolishness. She continued making what she wanted to which was R&B and most importantly above all else....funk! Because funk is what matters above anything else.

No, but there's no way I can think of her and not think of race because I can relate to her so much myself on a personal level going through a lot of what she probably went through during that same era. Remember, this was years before Vanilla Ice and Eminem who came out in completely safe and acceptable eras. Not that those two are worth a damn, but I'm just sayin'.

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When it comes to Vanilla Ice, race DOES come up. But not with Teena.

The Beastie Boys were pretty much accepted by the black audience, years before Vanilla Ice was out.

Timmy84 said:

^^ Teena sound like she was selling out to trends at the end and it made hearing the good side of that music hard over a period of time. I tried to love La Dona but something about it seemed off for some reason. I did love "Black Rain" from that album though.

She, along with everyone else, including Prince. I just did the same with her that I did with everyone else, I stopped buying her music. The only reason I continued buying Prince's albums, is because he continued putting funk on them (along with his sellout shit). But if he keeps it up, I may drop his ass too.

vainandy said:

Timmy84 said:

^^ Teena sound like she was selling out to trends at the end and it made hearing the good side of that music hard over a period of time. I tried to love La Dona but something about it seemed off for some reason. I did love "Black Rain" from that album though.

She, along with everyone else, including Prince. I just did the same with her that I did with everyone else, I stopped buying her music. The only reason I continued buying Prince's albums, is because he continued putting funk on them (along with his sellout shit). But if he keeps it up, I may drop his ass too.

As long as he does nothing drastic to fit in and NOT put funk in it, I don't think we have to worry about that.

Master P to Honor Teena Marie With Health Awareness Event

December 30, 2010

Link

In this interview she discloses being plagued by seizures since a blow to the head from a fallen hotel picture.

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Identity said:

In this interview she discloses being plagued by seizures since a blow to head from a fallen hotel picture.

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I could listen to her talking for days, bout anything.. I'd never get bored..

There just always was something bout her.. I don't know..

Boys in my age go crazy for all those Gagas, Rihannas and Katy Perries.. - I go crazy for Teena Marie..

For me she'll always be the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.. "beautiful" in its whole meaning..

Identity said:

In this interview she discloses being plagued by seizures since a blow to head from a fallen hotel picture.

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God, life is so random. If she had entered her hotel room a few seconds earlier or later, she wouldn't have been in the spot to get hit in the head when it fell.

Timmy84 said:

^^ Teena sound like she was selling out to trends at the end and it made hearing the good side of that music hard over a period of time. I tried to love La Dona but something about it seemed off for some reason. I did love "Black Rain" from that album though.

The last time Teena has an album with some uptempo tracks was Ivory. Tracks like Here Looking At You & The Sugar Shack were Teena's take on the sub-genre New Jack Swing.

But that follow up album Passion Play (ironically Teena's first and only independent release) was the first warning sign that Teena was leaning toward doing slow jams most of the time.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

When it comes to Vanilla Ice, race DOES come up. But not with Teena.

The Beastie Boys were pretty much accepted by the black audience, years before Vanilla Ice was out.

Oh hell yeah! That was back in the days when Def Jam Recordings has a triple threat with RUN DMC, The Beastie Boys, & LL Cool J. Although Beastie's white fans were liking Fight For Your Right To Party, the black fans were blasting Brass Monkey, Hold It Now, & Let It Blow.

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Beastie Boys were pretty much accepted by the black audience, years before Vanilla Ice was out.

Oh hell yeah! That was back in the days when Def Jam Recordings has a triple threat with RUN DMC, The Beastie Boys, & LL Cool J. Although Beastie's white fans were liking Fight For Your Right To Party, the black fans were blasting Brass Monkey, Hold It Now, & Let It Blow.

The Beastie Boys are just that fucking gifted. Fuck what they look like (though none of them look bad at all ). It was always about the music when it came to the Beasties too.

Just noticed on amazon.com sellers are all of a sudden asking for a lot of bread for all of Teena's Epic CDs.

kitbradley said:

Just noticed on amazon.com sellers are all of a sudden asking for a lot of bread for all of Teena's Epic CDs.

yeah, especially Robbery

kitbradley said:

Just noticed on amazon.com sellers are all of a sudden asking for a lot of bread for all of Teena's Epic CDs.

Timmy84 said:

kitbradley said:

Just noticed on amazon.com sellers are all of a sudden asking for a lot of bread for all of Teena's Epic CDs.

kitbradley said:

Just noticed on amazon.com sellers are all of a sudden asking for a lot of bread for all of Teena's Epic CDs.

I know what you are saying, but her Epic-era discs have been out of print for some time now. I just purchased Ivory and Robbery dirt cheap from my local record store here in Chicago, but the rest of her Epic catalog still remains in MP3 format in my collection. I'm also trying to find the Hip-O Select reissue of her debut album, but that won't be found very easily for a reasonable price. But I'm happy I have all of her stuff either in CD format or MP3 format. I'm not buying any more expensive music. I'm broke from that new John Lennon Signature box set I brought myself for Christmas...

Not that I'd ever sell it...but I've got a clear green version of "Emerald City" on vinyl...I wonder what that's worth?