Sittin' up in The Knowledge Tree writing songs about "Childhood". Hell naw!

Right again. I like a few solo female artists (usually the slutty ones) but I much more prefer the male dominated full fledge groups over them. As for the stereotypical Judy Garland, Barbara Streisand shit, hell naw! Those are the types of singers that I like to compare the tempo of today's artists to, to piss them off.

vainandy said:

She's out of my life single was a top 10 hit in mid 1980, the album was still popular til early 1981.... ... Again you didn't know...

Off the wall won the favorite soul album american music award in 1980, and 1981...

Of course you didn't know...

vainandy said:

If you think I'm gonna take in consideration the point of view of a white dude who knows shit about black music... You dream... Everything you said is complete bullshit... The same guy who confuses Disco and funk... What a joke...

vainandy said:

I mean year 1980...

vainandy said:

I'm talking about the popularity among african americans, the thread is about the popularity of MJ among african americans... Can you read the thread ?

Pop radio had nothing to do with the popularity of MJ among african americans...
Off the wall was the biggest selling album by a black artist...

vainandy said:

Oh you want me to recall all the crap you said about black music... Please, you confused Disco and funk, you claimed Jamirouquai was a great funk group, you claimed "fuck singing"...

You have no clue about black music, if you think knowing black music means buying records and making threads on forums, You wrong... To understand black music, you have to understand the roots of black music, our culture, how we think, and what move black folks...

Them matter of fact, it's your ignorant statements on black music that quickly makes me think that you were white...

vainandy said:

You are a typical white dude who thinks knowing black music but knows shit... Really typical...
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2Jay said:

krayzie said:

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough-#1 Pop, #1 for 5 weeks on R&B
Rock With You-#1 for 4 weeks on Pop, @1 for 6 weeks on R&B
Off The Wall-#10 Pop, #5 R&B
She's Out Of My Life-#10 Pop, #43 R&B

The album-#3 on Billboard 200, and #1 for 16 weeks on the R&B charts

the album stayed on the charts for about 170 weeks
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krayzie said:

Once again, you list sales rather than experience. Have you ever stopped to consider that a lot of those sales were from white people also and pop radio back in those days, a lot of the time, was late catching on to a black artist and drug them out much longer than R&B radio, therefore dragging the album and sales out longer?

Hell, just look at Prince a few years later. R&B radio had long moved on from the single "1999" and was playing the hell out of other album cuts such as "Lady Cab Driver" and "DMSR" when pop radio discovered "Little Red Corvette". They had to re-release the single "1999" for the pop world and the R&B world had already moved on. It's happened with other artists also. Ray Parker Jr.'s "The Other Woman" was picked up by pop radio long after R&B radio had moved on to "Let Me Go". In those days, if an album didn't cross over, the songs on the album were usually out of style on R&B radio months before the artist's new album came out.

As for sales figures on the R&B chart staying large for so long. How do you know that white people's sales aren't included somehow. I mean, I never had anyone at the record store ask me...."Do you want your purchase to go to the pop or the R&B chart". Once again, experience and living through the era, partying to the music at the time, and hearing people's reactions to it, are far more truthful to an artists popularity in those times than sales.




What's the matter cookie, you don't have a view of those episodes of "Soul Train" of your own? Or have you even seen them? Either you were too young at the time or the show was too black for your taste for you to watch it. Which is it? Because "Soul Train" was definately a reflection of what was popular in R&B radio and black listeners at the time.

As for confusing disco and funk, which would be more acceptable to confuse with funk? Shitney Houston, Freddie Jackson, Beyonce, Bette Midler?




I realize that a lot of black folks these days have never even heard of Jamiroquai because R&B radio has been overrun by shit hop, which by the way is hugely popular and successful because of white sales. When black artists these days make new albums, they take into consideration and try to make it pleasable to white listeners as well as black listeners. It wasn't like that back in the day. Most black funk groups were completely unknown to the average white person and most of the groups didn't go into the studio with the intention of getting a crossover hit. Your little young ass only knows music by today's standards but, in reality, you could call today's music less "black" than back in the day because they have tried so hard to keep both audiences. When it comes to Jamiroquai, even though they are a white group, their music is much more comparable to funk, an uptempo form of music listened to by a mostly black audience, than any of these successful crossover black artists of today making Judy Garland tempoed music to please white audiences first, as well as black audiences.

And as far as knowing what black folk were liking and thinking, 99.9% of my friends, back then, and still today have been black. I was in the skating rinks on "Super Soul Night" (in other words, "black night"), I was in the black clubs when I got older, I was at black friends houses for either a visit or a house party. I know what music was playing, I know what music people liked and disliked because they voiced it loud and clear, and I sure as hell knew what was moving them.....the gigolo, the smurf, the whip, the white horse, and later the snake and cabbage patch.



I may be a lot of things, but typical is not one of them. You ain't the typical black male either. Every one I've ever met has far better taste and much more sense.
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vainandy said:

WOAH!!!

vainandy said:

I don't list sales, I explain why you are WRONG when you claimed that "Off The Wall" was very successful but almost a year later, it was completely out of style on R&B radio."

Off The wall was still in the charts almost a year later... and Off The wall was the FAVORITE SOUL ALBUM OF in 1981. Ask you why...

And you are even more wrong when you claimed that those sales were from white people. Off the wall was a black album for the black audience.

vainandy said:

My friend, of course they moved from 1999 faster because Prince singles never had the staying power of MJ singles... Look how long Don't stop stayed on top of the r&b charts, look how long Rock with you stayed on top of the charts r&b charts...

This argument makes no sense... It has nothing to do with crossover... Off the wall is a black album...

vainandy said:

My friend, look at the people in this crowd during the Off the wall era ... The crowd is black...


Then look at the crowd during the Victory era... Nothing but white folks there...


And please your experience means nothing... You have no credibility in my eyes...

vainandy said:

My friend... Just because SoulTrain was playing LovelyOne in 1980 means that Off the wall was gone, Off the Wall won the FAVORITE SOUL ALBUM IN 1981... Do you remember how the AMAs are determined ? By music buyers and radio stations...

vainandy said:

When you know black music you never confuse Funk with that garbage called Disco... A shame...

vainandy said:

My friend, mentionning Jamiroquai shows how you don't know what you are talking... In fact I remember how the white media tried to put down our throats this fake funk group called Jamiroquai... We rejected it... Maybe these days, Jamiroquai would have more success since young black people have no clue what black music supposes to be...


And when it comes to black music, I have no lesson to learn from you...
Just because you watch Soultrain means you know black music...

vainandy said:

To be honest, I don't care what you are, All I know for sure is you ain't black... period
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Man, this thread here...

Bboy, it's time we end this shit!

Timmy84 said:

Not yet! I love watchin' a good fight

daPrettyman said:

HAVE MER-CY!
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bboy87 said:

Good enough.

"In the charts", well hell, number 63 could be in the charts. That doesn't mean it was popular all over the radio. It just means some latecoming lingerers decided to buy the album late. Everyone else had already been there and done that.



I can't see the picture. What is it? A black crowd waiting to buy the album? A black crowd at a Michael Jackson concert? Like I said before, I can't see the picture on this computer but regardless of what it is, I never said that black people didn't like "Off The Wall". I said it was a crossover album. Has your little young ass learned what that word means in school yet? It means that both audiences like it. Just because white people like it, doesn't mean that black people stop liking it. See, I've taught your little ass a new word for today.




While you are looking for pictures to post, look for a picture of black folks in a disco. Or maybe a youtube clip of "Soul Train" with a room full of black folks dancing to a disco song. You'll find one if you look. Black folks loved disco. I'm not surprised that you don't like it though because every thread I've ever seen you in has been about some crossover artist. Hell, you gotta have rhythm to dance and apparently you have none.



And when was this, the 1990s? Hell, I didn't like Jamiroquai back then myself and still don't like their music from those days because it was too midtempo and artsy/fartsy. I got into the group when they sped up the tempo and started sounding disco. Hell, most of their old fans don't like the style change but I loved it.



Apparently you don't know a thing about the group since they changed their style. The group is very uptempo and disco sounding. In other words, full of rhythm. That's the last thing these dull asses today would like and, no, Jamiroquai has not had the success they had back in the 1990s when their music was much slower.



Soul Train, black radio, black nightclubs, black skating rinks, black barbeques, black orgies, black relatives.....is there anything else black left to list that I forgot to list? Been there, done that.

If you wanna talk knowing black music, especially from the "Off The Wall" era that you are referring to, I would sure as hell rather take the word of a hip white guy who was old enough to live the era and always in black surroundings over a young black infant who could barely hear the music playing in the next room because it was being grounded out by his Mother Goose nursury rhymes playing in his crib on his Fisher Price music box next to him.




Did I ever say I was? Never once, in all the years I have been on the org, have I ever said I was black. I could have very easily ignored your little racist comment or I could have denied it and said I was black. That ain’t me though. I ain’t never pretended to be someone I wasn’t in front of a bunch of rednecks when it would certainly be safer to do so, and I sure as hell ain’t got to pretend I’m something I’m not in front of some little black racist either that’s not even a full fledged die hard racist but is a wannabe racist.

You tell folks that they don’t know a thing about funk and you supposedly do. However, you are never present in any of the threads discussing funk. Why? Because you probably don’t recognize the names of the artists in the thread titles. Every thread you have ever been in has been about some black artist of the past that is well known in the white world as well as the black world. Or you may be in a thread about some current artist, once again well known in the white world because today’s R&B is fully crossover. And then got to nerve to make some racist comment. That’s why you are a wannabe racist, you can't even got your racism right. You ain’t got the good sense to know that every thing you listen to has been made for the purpose of pleasing a white audience as well as a black audience. If you wanna be a racist, learn the audience listening to what you like because your other racist friends are gonna laugh at you when they find out that the people you hate listens to everything that you do.

As I said before, I have never said I was black. All I have done is discuss the music I like and the experiences I experienced in the era of the music being discussed. However, judging by the surprise and amazement of several of the other orgers upon learning my race, who knows their funk and who doesn’t? Me or you? You going up against me is like Shitney Houston going up against Teena Marie. The whitest of the black going up against the blackest of the white. Now go outside and play little boy. Grown folks are trying to talk up in here.
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OUCH!

Evvy said:

throws chair in thread

I WANT BLOODSHED!

bboy87 said:

imma put y'all in the closet












....detention!!

Evvy said:

Why you gotta do my boy like that?!

Timmy84 said:

What's wrong with the closet? MJ and P are in there.

Timmy84 said:

you going wit 'em

imma have y'all singing the title track off Discipline

Evvy said:

That's all good but I rather hear "Would U Mind"... this time, she's gonna cum instead of bitch about men being "lame" when the song ends.

Dance said:

It'll be better if R. Kelly wasn't trying to get trapped in there too tho.

Timmy84 said:

and he gone be feelin' on yo booo ooty
boo oo oo ty!

Evvy said:

I got my pistol just in case he does. "He's gonna be feeling it... when I shoot him, I'm gonna shoot him, I'm gonna fucking shoot him, now there's blood in the closet...closet...closet...closet."
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krayzie said:

Wait a minute, you're calling me "dumb" and you don't even comprehend the way you worded your own question? Hey, I was just
pointing it out that it was asked in a generalized way.

You asked "Why do African-Americans prefer MJ over Prince?.
Please r-e-a-d the way you asked the question...


(Not worth explaining to a dude named "Krayzie" edit)
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Timmy84 said:

picks the closet lock with a butterknife and escapes

I GOT MY BARETTA!

bboy87 said:

Now we're dashing home doing 85, swervin' lane to lane with fire in our eyes, can't believe the thoughts running through minds, we're thinking about why did Kelly get in the closet, how could we be so blind?

We ain't got time to talk to the cop, chase the guy in the cornrows!

Timmy84 said:

"Did he glue some dooky rope chain to his head?"


"Aye Craig, lets arrest that fool and head over to the pawn shop!"

bboy87 said:

Good one! Man looking like Pippi Longstocking especially in that...video. And he was trying to look hard, he look like a gold grandfather. Trapped in Blue Magic with Gold Highlight Hair Gel.