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PrintableTimmy84 said: OUCH!
 The winner of this fight by TKO in the 12th round Vainandy
Now make room for the main event featuring the NWO Somebody play our damn music Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: Timmy84 said: OUCH!
The winner of this fight by TKO in the 12th round Vainandy
Now make room for the main event featuring the NWO Somebody play our damn music Prepare my sofa! [Also please remember to give me my rite of initiatian] | |
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phunkdaddy said: Timmy84 said: OUCH!
The winner of this fight by TKO in the 12th round Vainandy
Now make room for the main event featuring the NWO Somebody play our damn music Either this: Or this: Either way, y'all better recognize.  | |
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2Jay said: phunkdaddy said: The winner of this fight by TKO in the 12th round Vainandy
Now make room for the main event featuring the NWO Somebody play our damn music Prepare my sofa! [Also please remember to give me my rite of initiatian] Introducing the nWo's b-team member....2Jay! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: 2Jay said: Prepare my sofa! [Also please remember to give me my rite of initiatian] Introducing the nWo's b-team member....2Jay!  @ 2Jay... either way you're in.  | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: Introducing the nWo's b-team member....2Jay! @ 2Jay... either way you're in. | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: Introducing the nWo's b-team member....2Jay! @ 2Jay... either way you're in. He's on our sidekick
He's the Vincent of the group 
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: @ 2Jay... either way you're in. He's on our sidekick
He's the Vincent of the group
Vincent was actually cool though, being the first brother in the nWo. Remember when Rodman briefly became a member to settle some "beef" with Karl Malone? | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: He's on our sidekick
He's the Vincent of the group
Vincent was actually cool though, being the first brother in the nWo. Remember when Rodman briefly became a member to settle some "beef" with Karl Malone? | |
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On a side note, this thread has gone pretty far off topic. Only one thing to do in that situation.
Take it further. Ooh, I can't hold it. | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: He's on our sidekick
He's the Vincent of the group
Vincent was actually cool though, being the first brother in the nWo. Remember when Rodman briefly became a member to settle some "beef" with Karl Malone? That fool was the "token negro"
and he was wack! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: Vincent was actually cool though, being the first brother in the nWo. Remember when Rodman briefly became a member to settle some "beef" with Karl Malone? That fool was the "token negro"
and he was wack! But he was their comic relief tho. | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: That fool was the "token negro"
and he was wack! But he was their comic relief tho. Just like Randy Jackson... | |
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Did everybody see this comment?
krayzie said: I'm in my "piss off Prince fans" mood right now... So all my threads are made to piss themoff... I always know how to irritate them...
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vainandy said: "In the charts", well hell, number 63 could be in the charts. That doesn't mean it was popular all over the radio. It just means some latecoming lingerers decided to buy the album late. Everyone else had already been there and done that... My friend, OFF THE WALL WAS THE FAVORITE SOUL ALBUM TWO YEARS CONSECUTIVLY... Favorite soul album of 1980 and favorite soul album of 1981...I'm not basing my statements on fake experienced and lies. The American music awards are determined on black radio stations and buyers... Did you know that ? Everything you said about Off the wall being gone a year later is dead wrong... vainandy said: I can't see the picture. What is it? A black crowd waiting to buy the album? A black crowd at a Michael Jackson concert? Like I said before, I can't see the picture on this computer but regardless of what it is, I never said that black people didn't like "Off The Wall". I said it was a crossover album. Has your little young ass learned what that word means in school yet? It means that both audiences like it. Just because white people like it, doesn't mean that black people stop liking it. See, I've taught your little ass a new word for today.
My friend you pretended that Off the wall was a crossover album, again an other atrocious and ignorant statement by a guy who knows nothing about black music... The matter of fact, Off the wall was the biggest selling album made by a black artist but failed to be a crossover hit... And it largely explains why MJ decided to go more Pop with Thriller... Because Off the wall failed to be a crossover hit..... And I repeat again, Off the wall won the favorite soul album award in 1980 and 191, buyers and r&b radio stations... Your fake experience means shit compared to these facts... Everything you said in this thread is wrong... And when you said that White folks like it, it's not true and the videos prove it... During the Off the wall era, the audience attending MJ's concerts were largely black... Big white radio ignore Off The Wall... How can Off the wall be a crossover hit if few white folks attended MJ's concerts at that time ? You know nothing about black music... vainandy said: While you are looking for pictures to post, look for a picture of black folks in a disco. Or maybe a youtube clip of "Soul Train" with a room full of black folks dancing to a disco song. You'll find one if you look. Black folks loved disco. I'm not surprised that you don't like it though because every thread I've ever seen you in has been about some crossover artist. Hell, you gotta have rhythm to dance and apparently you have none.
My friend, Disco is NOT black music, and you ignored that...
Disco was a music genre created by white folks to sell the black sound to the white audience... So obviously, white folks like you confuse Disco and Funk... But black folks never confuse Disco and funk... The matter of fact, Disco acts have never been taken serioulsy by the black audience... Those who bought Disco records were MOSTLY white... When Disco died, any white or black artist associated with this crap disapeared... And real soul/funk artists kept making black music ... the fact that you associate Disco shit with Funk shows how ignorant you are about black music... vainandy said: And when was this, the 1990s? Hell, I didn't like Jamiroquai back then myself and still don't like their music from those days because it was too midtempo and artsy/fartsy. I got into the group when they sped up the tempo and started sounding disco. Hell, most of their old fans don't like the style change but I loved it. Apparently you don't know a thing about the group since they changed their style. The group is very uptempo and disco sounding. In other words, full of rhythm. That's the last thing these dull asses today would like and, no, Jamiroquai has not had the success they had back in the 1990s when their music was much slower.
I don't give a shit about what you think, Jamiroquai ain't Funk... Period vainandy said: Soul Train, black radio, black nightclubs, black skating rinks, black barbeques, black orgies, black relatives.....is there anything else black left to list that I forgot to list? Been there, done that.
If you wanna talk knowing black music, especially from the "Off The Wall" era that you are referring to, I would sure as hell rather take the word of a hip white guy who was old enough to live the era and always in black surroundings over a young black infant who could barely hear the music playing in the next room because it was being grounded out by his Mother Goose nursury rhymes playing in his crib on his Fisher Price music box next to him. My friend, everything you said on Prince.org proves me that you don't know black music, to understand black music you have to know the roots of black music, black history, black culture, black people, what move us, what touch us ... You have to love what we love, you have to think like we think... Black folks are different in many ways but there are many things that link us to each other... And you'll never understand that just by watching Soul train... Ask yourself how I discover you were not black... Because you talk about black music like a typical white guy...
vainandy said: Did I ever say I was? Never once, in all the years I have been on the org, have I ever said I was black. I could have very easily ignored your little racist comment or I could have denied it and said I was black. That ain’t me though. I ain’t never pretended to be someone I wasn’t in front of a bunch of rednecks when it would certainly be safer to do so, and I sure as hell ain’t got to pretend I’m something I’m not in front of some little black racist either that’s not even a full fledged die hard racist but is a wannabe racist.
Racist ? I've said nothing racist... Pure bullshit... lol vainandy said: You tell folks that they don’t know a thing about funk and you supposedly do. However, you are never present in any of the threads discussing funk. Why? Because you probably don’t recognize the names of the artists in the thread titles. Every thread you have ever been in has been about some black artist of the past that is well known in the white world as well as the black world. Or you may be in a thread about some current artist, once again well known in the white world because today’s R&B is fully crossover. And then got to nerve to make some racist comment. That’s why you are a wannabe racist, you can't even got your racism right. You ain’t got the good sense to know that every thing you listen to has been made for the purpose of pleasing a white audience as well as a black audience. If you wanna be a racist, learn the audience listening to what you like because your other racist friends are gonna laugh at you when they find out that the people you hate listens to everything that you do.
First of all, I've been an orger for 4 years now , I've made threads about white and black music alike, and I've posted about Funk music as well... The matter of fact, I've posted maybe THOUSANDS of posts over there... And to be honest I lurk more than I post over there... So I don't see how you are able to claim that I have NEVER presented in any thread discussing funk... Again, this argument is meaningless... Number two, you don't know what kind of music I listen to in my car or at home, so I don't know what you're talkin about when you claimed "every thing you listen to has been made for the purpose of pleasing a white audience" ... The matter of fact, you seem so full of yourself that you believe to know my music tastes... And please, tell me what kind of racist comment I made ? vainandy said: As I said before, I have never said I was black. All I have done is discuss the music I like and the experiences I experienced in the era of the music being discussed. However, judging by the surprise and amazement of several of the other orgers upon learning my race, who knows their funk and who doesn’t? Me or you? You going up against me is like Shitney Houston going up against Teena Marie. The whitest of the black going up against the blackest of the white. Now go outside and play little boy. Grown folks are trying to talk up in here.
Oh please, you're gonna make me cry.. But comparing me to Whitney Houston is jokable... I have been talkin about the most controversial subject about race and racism on prince.org, I've always been there to take shots at white folks denying racism, and pissing them off... Is that being the whitest of black ?
But what's for sure, you ain't black, you don't know black music, black culture, black history... And again watching SoulTrain doesn't mean you know black music... | |
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the songs don't stop till you get enough and rock with you were definitely crossovers, even if the album wasn't. Many were shocked that it didn't win at the grammys, so I'm sure nonwhites were buying it too. I don't want to put mj in the disco category, but many put those two hit singles in that category. It's also important to keep in mind that there was still segregation in music to an extent and mj was definitely one of, if not the one artist to bring together audiences of different races. | |
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alphastreet said: the songs don't stop till you get enough and rock with you were definitely crossovers, even if the album wasn't.
Nope, completely wrong, Don't stop and rock with you were HUGE r&b hit... NOT crossover hits... He never reached out the white audience with thee songs... alphastreet said: Many were shocked that it didn't win at the grammys, so I'm sure nonwhites were buying it too.
BLACK folks were shocked because at that time it was the favorite soul album of the Time... Ask black folks which MJ album they love the most, they all gonna say Off the wall, ask white folks what's their favorite album, they gonna say Bad, Dangerous or Thriller...
White folks largely ignored Off the wall, it wasn't a crossover hit as Vainandy said... Off the wall has always been the most beloved MJ album among african americans... alphastreet said: I don't want to put mj in the disco category, but many put those two hit singles in that category. It's also important to keep in mind that there was still segregation in music to an extent and mj was definitely one of, if not the one artist to bring together audiences of different races.
Who put mj in the disco category ? White folks ??? In 1980, Michael jackson won the American Music Awards for Favorite Soul/R&B Album (Off The Wall), Favorite Soul/R&B Male Artist, and Favorite Soul/R&B Single ("Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"). And he won Grammy Award for Best R&B Vocal Performance - Male ("Don't Stop Till You Get Enough") ... Everybody knows MJ has always been a soul artist... MJ only started to bring different races together with Thriller, this is what he meant to do... Thriller was his crossover success like Purple Rain was the crossover success for Prince... He made Beat it only to please white folks... [Edited 4/25/08 5:58am] [Edited 4/25/08 6:03am] | |
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krayzie said: alphastreet said: the songs don't stop till you get enough and rock with you were definitely crossovers, even if the album wasn't.
Nope, completely wrong, Don't stop and rock with you were HUGE r&b hit... NOT crossover hits... He never reached out the white audience with thee songs... BLACK folks were shocked because at that time it was the favorite soul album of the Time... Ask black folks which MJ album they love the most, they all gonna say Off the wall, ask white folks what's their favorite album, they gonna say Bad, Dangerous or Thriller...
White folks largely ignored Off the wall, it wasn't a crossover hit as Vainandy said... Off the wall has always been the most beloved MJ album among african americans... alphastreet said: I don't want to put mj in the disco category, but many put those two hit singles in that category. It's also important to keep in mind that there was still segregation in music to an extent and mj was definitely one of, if not the one artist to bring together audiences of different races.
Who put mj in the disco category ? White folks ??? In 1980, Michael jackson won the American Music Awards for Favorite Soul/R&B Album (Off The Wall), Favorite Soul/R&B Male Artist, and Favorite Soul/R&B Single ("Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough"). And he won Grammy Award for Best R&B Vocal Performance - Male ("Don't Stop Till You Get Enough") ... Everybody knows MJ has always been a soul artist... MJ only started to bring different races together with Thriller, this is what he meant to do... Thriller was his crossover success like Purple Rain was the crossover success for Prince... He made Beat it only to please white folks... [Edited 4/25/08 5:58am] [Edited 4/25/08 6:03am] krayzie's right here. alphastreet, I think that "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" became more popular with "wider" audiences over time, but they were mainly hits on Billboard's "Black" charts when they were originally released. And Off The Wall is still my favorite album of MJ's. To be sure, Thriller contains some of OTW's roots, like "P.Y.T." and "Baby Be Mine" show, but it's more of a phenomenon than an album to me. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I just have a question to ask. How can Off the Wall not be considered a crossover sucess, when it peaked at #3 on billboard top200 and was the #3 most popular ablum of 1980  why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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carlluv said: I just have a question to ask. How can Off the Wall not be considered a crossover sucess, when it peaked at #3 on billboard top200 and was the #3 most popular ablum of 1980
NOT to mention "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" DID hit #1 on the pop chart as well as R&B, lol. It wasn't like he was oblivious to pop success before "Thriller", he had great success on the pop chart like for 13 years before "Thriller". Music videos is partially the reason "Thriller" blew up the way it did giving him a "bigger" crossover than what "Off the Wall" was. And I agree with 2elijah that it should've been worded as "SOME", black folks in general are not monolithic, no one knows what we would've dug. If I told you right now I prefer Jimi Hendrix over MJ, some of you would be like  | |
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And Off The Wall is still my favorite album of MJ's. To be sure, Thriller contains some of OTW's roots, like "P.Y.T." and "Baby Be Mine" show, but it's more of a phenomenon than an album to me.
I agree. Off the Wall is basically the best of Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones with help from Rod Temperton and additional help from the Brothers Johnson, the Seawind Horns, Patti Austin, Stevie Wonder, Susaye Greene, Tom Bahler and Paul McCartney.
MJ & Q honestly didn't get better after OTW but Thriller came very close. In fact none of his later albums reached the cohesiveness of Off the Wall IMO. I can see that OTW was successful (and still is) with R&B audiences but it did have a pop following partially due to the fact that Michael was radio/pop-friendly from the time "I Want You Back" hit the charts in 1969. [Edited 4/25/08 8:50am] | |
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Timmy84 said: carlluv said: I just have a question to ask. How can Off the Wall not be considered a crossover sucess, when it peaked at #3 on billboard top200 and was the #3 most popular ablum of 1980
NOT to mention "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" DID hit #1 on the pop chart as well as R&B, lol. It wasn't like he was oblivious to pop success before "Thriller", he had great success on the pop chart like for 13 years before "Thriller". Music videos is partially the reason "Thriller" blew up the way it did giving him a "bigger" crossover than what "Off the Wall" was. And I agree with 2elijah that it should've been worded as "SOME", black folks in general are not monolithic, no one knows what we would've dug. If I told you right now I prefer Jimi Hendrix over MJ, some of you would be like . I wish we had more Black artist playing like him instead of trying sing and rap  why in God's name do u wanna make me cry | |
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carlluv said: Timmy84 said: NOT to mention "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" DID hit #1 on the pop chart as well as R&B, lol. It wasn't like he was oblivious to pop success before "Thriller", he had great success on the pop chart like for 13 years before "Thriller". Music videos is partially the reason "Thriller" blew up the way it did giving him a "bigger" crossover than what "Off the Wall" was. And I agree with 2elijah that it should've been worded as "SOME", black folks in general are not monolithic, no one knows what we would've dug. If I told you right now I prefer Jimi Hendrix over MJ, some of you would be like . I wish we had more Black artist playing like him instead of trying sing and rap True. | |
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krayzie said: SoulAlive said: krayzie,why you'd have to go there?
I guess you just like controversial threads,huh?I'm in my "piss off Prince fans" mood right now... So all my threads are made to piss themoff... I always know how to irritate them... Now tell me this dude isn't triflin and pathetic all wrapped up in one? Krayzie is in need of some serious mental help I tell ya. NWO, continue to jack this thread please I beg of you!!!! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: krayzie said: I'm in my "piss off Prince fans" mood right now... So all my threads are made to piss themoff... I always know how to irritate them... Now tell me this dude isn't triflin and pathetic all wrapped up in one? Krayzie is in need of some serious mental help I tell ya. NWO, continue to jack this thread please I beg of you!!!! No big deal. We're right here when he is. He continues to talk, we'll continue to trash this thread.
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Timmy84 said: carlluv said: I just have a question to ask. How can Off the Wall not be considered a crossover sucess, when it peaked at #3 on billboard top200 and was the #3 most popular ablum of 1980
NOT to mention "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" DID hit #1 on the pop chart as well as R&B, lol. It wasn't like he was oblivious to pop success before "Thriller", he had great success on the pop chart like for 13 years before "Thriller". Music videos is partially the reason "Thriller" blew up the way it did giving him a "bigger" crossover than what "Off the Wall" was. And I agree with 2elijah that it should've been worded as "SOME", black folks in general are not monolithic, no one knows what we would've dug. If I told you right now I prefer Jimi Hendrix over MJ, some of you would be like http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._positions As carlluv and Timmy84 point out, I am wrong. According to wikipedia, the stats for OTW don't lie. 7.5 million sold, MJ becomes the first solo artist to have 4 Billboard Top 100 singles from the same album. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Timmy84 said: purplecam said: Now tell me this dude isn't triflin and pathetic all wrapped up in one? Krayzie is in need of some serious mental help I tell ya. NWO, continue to jack this thread please I beg of you!!!! No big deal. We're right here when he is. He continues to talk, we'll continue to trash this thread.
Ya feel me?  I feel y'all with that!I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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namepeace said: Timmy84 said: NOT to mention "Don't Stop" and "Rock With You" DID hit #1 on the pop chart as well as R&B, lol. It wasn't like he was oblivious to pop success before "Thriller", he had great success on the pop chart like for 13 years before "Thriller". Music videos is partially the reason "Thriller" blew up the way it did giving him a "bigger" crossover than what "Off the Wall" was. And I agree with 2elijah that it should've been worded as "SOME", black folks in general are not monolithic, no one knows what we would've dug. If I told you right now I prefer Jimi Hendrix over MJ, some of you would be like http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._positions As carlluv and Timmy84 point out, I am wrong. According to wikipedia, the stats for OTW don't lie. 7.5 million sold, MJ becomes the first solo artist to have 4 Billboard Top 100 singles from the same album.  And the one man who previously held the feat (correct me if I'm wrong) was Marvin Gaye when What's Going On had three top ten singles off it, Michael had four and two went #1. So uh... yeah he "was only popular in black circles", I'm sure the 13% of African-Americans all bought and made "Off the Wall" #3 pop, right? Of course it would hit #1 R&B but it did sell seven million (and about twenty million worldwide). So it had to cross over at some point between 1979 and 1981, right? | |
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Timmy84 said: namepeace said: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._positions As carlluv and Timmy84 point out, I am wrong. According to wikipedia, the stats for OTW don't lie. 7.5 million sold, MJ becomes the first solo artist to have 4 Billboard Top 100 singles from the same album. And the one man who previously held the feat (correct me if I'm wrong) was Marvin Gaye when What's Going On had three top ten singles off it, Michael had four and two went #1. So uh... yeah he "was only popular in black circles", I'm sure the 13% of African-Americans all bought and made "Off the Wall" #3 pop, right? Of course it would hit #1 R&B but it did sell seven million (and about twenty million worldwide). So it had to cross over at some point between 1979 and 1981, right? Random thought . . . If Michael Jackson released Off The Wall today, and sold seven-point-five times plat, he'd be hailed as the new Michael Jackson! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Timmy84 said: And the one man who previously held the feat (correct me if I'm wrong) was Marvin Gaye when What's Going On had three top ten singles off it, Michael had four and two went #1. So uh... yeah he "was only popular in black circles", I'm sure the 13% of African-Americans all bought and made "Off the Wall" #3 pop, right? Of course it would hit #1 R&B but it did sell seven million (and about twenty million worldwide). So it had to cross over at some point between 1979 and 1981, right? Random thought . . . If Michael Jackson released Off The Wall today, and sold seven-point-five times plat, he'd be hailed as the new Michael Jackson! GOOD POINT! | |
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