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PrintableParis9748430 said: The same reasons why White People seem to prefer Michael Jackson over Prince.
-They watched him grow up in the J5, so he's more familiar -Michael's music is more "family friendly" -People assume that Prince is gay I think Prince was just plain scary to a lot of folks, because he challenged a lot of norms. Race has nothing to do with people's perceptions. I'm gonna have to agree with this statement. Prince is a serious artist with musical depth and sophistication who happens to be a pop star. MJ is a pop star. Sure, he's made some great music too, but not with as much depth as Prince. It's more accessible and less challenging which is what (sorry to say) Black folks seem to prefer. At the same time I know many Black folks who are musically open-minded, including my own family. Look at the Black Rock Coalition or Afro Punk. Sure there are some of my peeps that don't like the guitar-driven Rock music that Prince plays (even though we invented the genre). But that's because they probably prefer music driven by rhythm, like bass and drums. But since MJ was a little less threatening and his music is more accessible, we seemed to like him better. I think he's the bigger freak of the 2 though, even moreso now than ever before. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: alphastreet said: Maybe what vainandy meant is that black radio was not embracing Bad and he was a mainstream artist by then. But that doesn't mean everyone who is black ignored the Bad album, even if plenty were turned off by the changes then.
Very true because I remember when Bad came out, Black folks were still bumping MJ's music. I didn't matter that his sound was diversified by then. I can still remember back in kindergarten when me and all the other kids were getting down to that record. Unfortunately I was probably the only one that was still fanatical about my purple hero. By then he kinda fell out of favor with the pop audiences. But that didn't take away from the fact that he was still the fucking man! exactly, I was in kindergarten and the song Bad was hard to get away from. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Timmy84 said:  Listening to anything Madonna will get you beat up in the hood. 
I have to keep reminding myself that I'm a little older than some of these 50 Cent fans that are ignorant about FM radio in the 80's or early 90's. Some of Madonna's songs did crossover to black radio before. I believe you, my friend wanted me to make a tape for her full of the current r&b and hip hop from the CD collection I had, but she told me to make sure I include take a bow, which cracked me up | |
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I certainly don't. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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krayzie said: vainandy said: Maybe in this younger generation but when I was growing up in the early 1980s, when it came to black folks, at least in my area, it was always Prince vs. Rick James and it was never Prince vs. Michael Jackson until white people discovered who Prince was.
The matter of the thread ain't Prince vs. Michael Jackson , but 'Why do african americans prefer MJ over Prince ? vainandy said: Since Michael blew up so big with "Thriller", then he started doing kiddie shit like narrating an "ET" album, going to the awards with Webster, started being known for hanging with kids, I've seen him become a public figure that kids (of all colors, not just black) grow up watching like Barney, Elmo, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus. Michael Jackson, with his kiddie ass, became something that parents could put their children in front of the TV and entertain them. No parent in their right mind would put their todlers in front of a TV with Prince prancing around singing about sex. See Prince is for the grown folks, Michael is for the brats.
I disagree without on that, Prince had ton of teenage fans as well, the matter of fact Prince appealed to the same age group as MJ (around 15-25 year old). He was just appealing to different teenage people and was less mainstream... And Prince music was atrocioulsy childish.... Rick James was the only one appealing to grown folks, don't forget he was in his late 20's when he started his career with Motown [Edited 4/21/08 15:49pm] ===== "And Prince music was atrocioulsy childish...." Are you on something? If you compare 1999 to Thriller you are looking at music that is much more advanced not as accessible to the masses but P was a million years ahead of MJ when it comes to music. | |
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qvgangsta18 said: Because his music is better than Prince's, he could really sing, and not singer musician sing, but can really sing, AND THE ONE MAJOR THING, that everybody in this thread is trying to downplay for all of Michael Jackson wild behavior(looks) he NEVER CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH and try to say he was some other race, as Prince did, so that right there is turn off for me to never really like Prince, like that he has iight music, but i never dig him like that
----- " NEVER CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH and try to say he was some other race, as" No Mike just tried to lighten his skin  | |
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qvgangsta18 said: Because his music is better than Prince's, he could really sing, and not singer musician sing, but can really sing, AND THE ONE MAJOR THING, that everybody in this thread is trying to downplay for all of Michael Jackson wild behavior(looks) he NEVER CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH and try to say he was some other race, as Prince did, so that right there is turn off for me to never really like Prince, like that he has iight music, but i never dig him like that
He never had too. We can look at his evolving appearance & see what he wants to be. To me, that is more offensive than whatever Prince might've said. Michael surgically got rid of everything that appeared "ethnic" about his appearance. Prince still looks the same. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game |
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Scorpion said: Prince still looks the same.
Yeah, like a middle aged mexican power lesbian dom | |
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alphastreet said: TonyVanDam said:
I have to keep reminding myself that I'm a little older than some of these 50 Cent fans that are ignorant about FM radio in the 80's or early 90's. Some of Madonna's songs did crossover to black radio before. I believe you, my friend wanted me to make a tape for her full of the current r&b and hip hop from the CD collection I had, but she told me to make sure I include take a bow, which cracked me up I hope she has a copy of Like A Prayer. It's R&B with elements of Gospel.  | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: I've never heard: Aye cuz, you know what song is tight? la isla bonita! that song be gettin me all the hoes Listening to anything Madonna will get you beat up in the hood.  That is too true and too funny!!!I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Scorpion said: qvgangsta18 said: Because his music is better than Prince's, he could really sing, and not singer musician sing, but can really sing, AND THE ONE MAJOR THING, that everybody in this thread is trying to downplay for all of Michael Jackson wild behavior(looks) he NEVER CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH and try to say he was some other race, as Prince did, so that right there is turn off for me to never really like Prince, like that he has iight music, but i never dig him like that
He never had too. We can look at his evolving appearance & see what he wants to be. To me, that is more offensive than whatever Prince might've said. Michael surgically got rid of everything that appeared "ethnic" about his appearance. Prince still looks the same. Exactly  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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While we're on the subject of Prince & race. I was thumbing through Rick James' autobiography, and he said that the thing that offended him about Prince was his "wanting to be white". Did anyone else see this early on in Prince's career??? Was there any inkling that Prince wanted to be anything other than who he is???
I remember growing up and asking my mom if Prince was black or white, but I never thought he didn't WANT to be black. Yeah, he dated white women, but who didn't??? I've read articles in which it was said that he told his record company "Don't make me black". But he didn't mean that as a slight against his people, he just knew that he wouldn't get airplay on pop radio if he was perceived as being "too black". He wanted to be marketed to all audiences. Do you think that black people may have liked Mike over Prince at first was because they thought he was trying to be white??? JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: While we're on the subject of Prince & race. I was thumbing through Rick James' autobiography, and he said that the thing that offended him about Prince was his "wanting to be white". Did anyone else see this early on in Prince's career??? Was there any inkling that Prince wanted to be anything other than who he is???
I remember growing up and asking my mom if Prince was black or white, but I never thought he didn't WANT to be black. Yeah, he dated white women, but who didn't??? I've read articles in which it was said that he told his record company "Don't make me black". But he didn't mean that as a slight against his people, he just knew that he wouldn't get airplay on pop radio if he was perceived as being "too black". He wanted to be marketed to all audiences. Do you think that black people may have liked Mike over Prince at first was because they thought he was trying to be white??? Nah, I think when Prince said that, he said "don't put me in that R&B box" because his music was not just essentially R&B/urban. That's why Rick criticized him. I guess Prince didn't wanna hang with Rick's crew either. Also we gotta remember Rick was on a music high (and a recreational drug user too, he was snorting cocaine). [Edited 4/21/08 21:09pm] | |
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You also have to take into account that alot of people FORGOT about Prince. In my generation, although people know of him now, for about 10 years, Prince seemed to disappear from people's minds. Although Michael's sugeries erased his original features, he still embraced the African American community and while his music was in terms, "pop", it still had deep roots in R&B. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Timmy84 said: Paris9748430 said: While we're on the subject of Prince & race. I was thumbing through Rick James' autobiography, and he said that the thing that offended him about Prince was his "wanting to be white". Did anyone else see this early on in Prince's career??? Was there any inkling that Prince wanted to be anything other than who he is???
I remember growing up and asking my mom if Prince was black or white, but I never thought he didn't WANT to be black. Yeah, he dated white women, but who didn't??? I've read articles in which it was said that he told his record company "Don't make me black". But he didn't mean that as a slight against his people, he just knew that he wouldn't get airplay on pop radio if he was perceived as being "too black". He wanted to be marketed to all audiences. Do you think that black people may have liked Mike over Prince at first was because they thought he was trying to be white??? Nah, I think when Prince said that, he said "don't put me in that R&B box" because his music was not just essentially R&B/urban. That's why Rick criticized him. I guess Prince didn't wanna hang with Rick's crew either. Also we gotta remember Rick was on a music high (and a recreational drug user too, he was snorting cocaine). [Edited 4/21/08 21:09pm] I was speaking to some older family members and they said at first, they didn't know what the hell Prince was "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: Nah, I think when Prince said that, he said "don't put me in that R&B box" because his music was not just essentially R&B/urban. That's why Rick criticized him. I guess Prince didn't wanna hang with Rick's crew either. Also we gotta remember Rick was on a music high (and a recreational drug user too, he was snorting cocaine). [Edited 4/21/08 21:09pm] I was speaking to some older family members and they said at first, they didn't know what the hell Prince was And that was probably mutual. Prince didn't come from Chicago or Detroit or Memphis or Los Angeles or even Georgia or Mississippi or Alabama, he came from Minneapolis PLUS his sound wasn't too familiar to the entire black music community. Where they probably knew "Soft & Wet" and "I Wanna Be Your Lover", they weren't all that into Prince's trends into new wave, punk and rock, they couldn't really dig it or understand it. Since black artists are always confined to some box of some sort. Prince was mainly known for his ballads and funkier dance affair ("Do Me Baby", "Let's Work", "Uptown"). The black community didn't embrace him as a WHOLE until "1999" really. Whereas Michael was easy to categorize, it took a while for us to really "get him". | |
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laurarichardson said: ===== "And Prince music was atrocioulsy childish...." Are you on something? If you compare 1999 to Thriller you are looking at music that is much more advanced not as accessible to the masses but P was a million years ahead of MJ when it comes to music. I don't think so, Prince music was atrocioulsy childish... |
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It was the whites accepting 1999 that made prince into the superstar he is now.
if he had stuck with the falsetto, soft & wet,Uptown, sound. he would have been history by 1983 | |
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daingermouz2020 said: It was the whites accepting 1999 that made prince into the superstar he is now.
if he had stuck with the falsetto, soft & wet,Uptown, sound. he would have been history by 1983  Thank you white people. Where would we be without you?I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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krayzie said: laurarichardson said: ===== "And Prince music was atrocioulsy childish...." Are you on something? If you compare 1999 to Thriller you are looking at music that is much more advanced not as accessible to the masses but P was a million years ahead of MJ when it comes to music. I don't think so, Prince music was atrocioulsy childish... notwithstanding my disagreement, I'll allow you to elaborate on your conclusory statement. you use the term "was." can you describe the period of time when it was "atrociously childish" and when his era of "atrociously childish" music ended? i'd grant that his music wasn't as thematically textured as the artist displayed in your avatar, but please explain. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Adisa said: daingermouz2020 said: It was the whites accepting 1999 that made prince into the superstar he is now.
if he had stuck with the falsetto, soft & wet,Uptown, sound. he would have been history by 1983 Thank you white people. Where would we be without you? | |
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Adisa said: daingermouz2020 said: It was the whites accepting 1999 that made prince into the superstar he is now.
if he had stuck with the falsetto, soft & wet,Uptown, sound. he would have been history by 1983 Thank you white people. Where would we be without you?Don't you know both Prince and MJ say the same thing every day. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: krayzie said: I don't think so, Prince music was atrocioulsy childish... notwithstanding my disagreement, I'll allow you to elaborate on your conclusory statement. you use the term "was." can you describe the period of time when it was "atrociously childish" and when his era of "atrociously childish" music ended? i'd grant that his music wasn't as thematically textured as the artist displayed in your avatar, but please explain. Sister, Private joy, Head, controversy, Dirty Mind Only retared teenagers can make this type of songs... This is not mature, this is childish... His music became more mature in his late 20's |
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krayzie said: namepeace said: notwithstanding my disagreement, I'll allow you to elaborate on your conclusory statement. you use the term "was." can you describe the period of time when it was "atrociously childish" and when his era of "atrociously childish" music ended? i'd grant that his music wasn't as thematically textured as the artist displayed in your avatar, but please explain. Sister, Private joy, Head, controversy, Dirty Mind Only retared teenagers can make this type of songs... This is not mature, this is childish... His music became more mature in his late 20's Chile come 2 Europe & I'll teach how 2 relax...  ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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krayzie said: namepeace said: notwithstanding my disagreement, I'll allow you to elaborate on your conclusory statement. you use the term "was." can you describe the period of time when it was "atrociously childish" and when his era of "atrociously childish" music ended? i'd grant that his music wasn't as thematically textured as the artist displayed in your avatar, but please explain. Sister, Private joy, Head, controversy, Dirty Mind Only retared teenagers can make this type of songs... This is not mature, this is childish... His music became more mature in his late 20's We can agree that he hit his creative stride in his late 20's. That being said, what true artist doesn't mature as (s)he gets older? Besides, Prince wasn't too far removed from his teens when he made those songs. There are few rock, pop, blues, or soul artists who haven't made similarly suggestive songs at that age. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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krayzie said: Why do african americans prefer MJ over Prince ?
This one doesn't, and never has. Prince has always been my guy. I have about 300 Prince songs on my iPod and not one Michael Jackson, J5 or Jacksons. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Bishop31 said: krayzie said: That's a pretty good answer I'm gonna have to second that answer also. I'm an artist & I hate to say it, any music that has too much Electric Guitar is deemed as "White Music". Whenever I play Jimi Hendrix, my Black friends would say "Why are U playing that white boy music?!".
The same is said when I'm listening to any Guitar Heavy Prince music. It's simple & I don't wanna stereo type all of us Black people...but the majority of Black Folks DO NOT DIG ROCK SOUNDING MUSIC or HEAVY GUITAR MUSIC. I went to a BB King concert a couple of years ago with my mom & I swear to U, we were 2 of the only 15 Black people in that 10,000 seating place. The rest were white people. Why??? I have no idea. I blame our Black Radio Stations & B.E.T....they simply don't give Black Artists who don't do "Hip Hop" or "R&B" a chance. For that reason. most blacks I know don't know much about Prince other than Purple Rain. Michael Jackson got played more than Prince because his music was deemed more "Black" than Prince. I hope this will change someday.  I couldn't agree more. I definitely think that a lot of Prince's music is based on electric guitar is a large part of the reason that he isn't as accepted in the black community as Michael Jackson who is more R&B. | |
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Adisa said: daingermouz2020 said: It was the whites accepting 1999 that made prince into the superstar he is now.
if he had stuck with the falsetto, soft & wet,Uptown, sound. he would have been history by 1983 Thank you white people. Where would we be without you? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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I think I've discovered the real reason.....
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krayzie said: namepeace said: notwithstanding my disagreement, I'll allow you to elaborate on your conclusory statement. you use the term "was." can you describe the period of time when it was "atrociously childish" and when his era of "atrociously childish" music ended? i'd grant that his music wasn't as thematically textured as the artist displayed in your avatar, but please explain. Sister, Private joy, Head, controversy, Dirty Mind Only retared teenagers can make this type of songs... This is not mature, this is childish... His music became more mature in his late 20's Riiiiight! And Beat It, Bad, PYT, and Thriller are super-mature songs, eh? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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