jdcxc said:

I don't think it had anything to do with finding new sounds or anything like that.

I just think he needed the spotlight back on him.

mrjj71 said:

mrjj71 said:

Anyone doubting Wendy and Lisa's influence/Creativity/Musicianship only has to cast an eye across their Wikipedia or Publishing pages to understand what they brought to the table-more than anyone else he has worked with before or since....

Co-writes with Prince..

17 days

America

A million miles

Computer blue

Power fantastic

Mountains

Sometimes it snows in April

In a large room with no light

Our destiny/Roadhouse garden

Sometimes in snows in April

Under the cherry moon

Then went on to release(imho) some pretty great lp's of their own and are multi award winners-

"Wendy and Lisa technically share the honor of winners of a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution, as Purple Rain won two Grammys, and the Oscar for Best Original Score. In 2010, they received the Emmy Award for Outstanding Original Main Title Theme Music for their work on Nurse Jackie.^[1] They received the ASCAP award for Composers of the Year for their work on Dangerous Minds, the theme to HBO's Carnivàle, Crossing Jordan and Heroes. They were nominated for an Emmy in 2012 for the main title theme for the Fox show Touch.^[7]"

"They have also done session work and/or written songs with Seal, k.d. lang, Joni Mitchell, Meshell Ndegeocello, Pearl Jam, Terence Trent D'arby, Lisa Germano, Lisa Marie Presley, Liz Phair, Michael Penn, Grace Jones, Tricky, The Three O'Clock, Uh Huh Her, Sheryl Crow, Victoria Williams, Rob Thomas, Gwen Stefani, Skye Edwards, Scritti Politti, Nerina Pallot, OK Go, Madonna, The Like, Nina Gordon, fDeluxe, The Family, Doyle Bramhall II, Nikka Costa, André Cymone, Kate Earl, Eric Clapton, Bettye LaVette, Ilse Delange, Mac Miller, Walk the Moon"

I mean seriously,who else in his list of 'sidekicks/band members' has achieved as much???

It's just crazy to write off their abilities.

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis in his side band did more than Wendy & Lisa....sorry

funkman88 said:

funkman88 said:

mrjj71 said:

funkman88 said:

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis in his side band did more than Wendy & Lisa....sorry

We're talking about actual band members though

Wendy was only in the band because Prince was dating her sister and Lisa was dating her...Wendy a terrible guitar player..name ONE guitarist in his band before or after her that she's BETTER than?

its Wendy fault Prince stopped dancing so much and had to pick up the guitar to play all the real solos cuz no Dez or Mike Scott around.

Prince could have challenged Michael for best dancer in the 80's if it wasn't for Wendy no playin self makin him go play the real guitar parts live!

funkman88 said:

mrjj71 said:

funkman88 said: We're talking about actual band members though

Wendy was only in the band because Prince was dating her sister and Lisa was dating her...Wendy a terrible guitar player..name ONE guitarist in his band before or after her that she's BETTER than?

its Wendy fault Prince stopped dancing so much and had to pick up the guitar to play all the real solos cuz no Dez or Mike Scott around.

Prince could have challenged Michael for best dancer in the 80's if it wasn't for Wendy no playin self makin him go play the real guitar parts live!

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not lol well done

If I had a dollar for every silly post hating on W&L for no reason, I could afford every future deluxe box set the Estate puts out

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mrjj71 said:

ForceofNature said:

If I had a dollar for every silly post hating on W&L for no reason, I could afford every future deluxe box set the Estate puts out

[Edited 8/9/21 19:40pm]

not hating on Lisa....she can play and write

Ultimately is Wendy wasn't talented, in his works in that time she would not have been adding all the stuff she added, and if she wasn't the guitarist Prince wanted in that period of time, someone else would have been in instead of her.

I feel like not personally liking Wendy, and objectively talking about her talent, are becoming mixed up in this web of thoughts here. As a guitarist/music degree holder, I myself see her talent and why Prince had her in the Revolution

ForceofNature said:

Ultimately is Wendy wasn't talented, in his works in that time she would not have been adding all the stuff she added, and if she wasn't the guitarist Prince wanted in that period of time, someone else would have been in instead of her.

I feel like not personally liking Wendy, and objectively talking about her talent, are becoming mixed up in this web of thoughts here. As a guitarist/music degree holder, I myself see her talent and why Prince had her in the Revolution

yes sir she is a master of the whole note chords and smurking at the camera...Talent and Wendy should never be in same sentence,,,Her dad was president of grammys so she got opportunity...no one ever said shes great musician...

funkman88 said:

mrjj71 said:

Anyone doubting Wendy and Lisa's influence/Creativity/Musicianship only has to cast an eye across their Wikipedia or Publishing pages to understand what they brought to the table-more than anyone else he has worked with before or since....

Co-writes with Prince..

17 days

America

A million miles

Computer blue

Power fantastic

Mountains

Sometimes it snows in April

In a large room with no light

Our destiny/Roadhouse garden

Sometimes in snows in April

Under the cherry moon

Then went on to release(imho) some pretty great lp's of their own and are multi award winners-

"Wendy and Lisa technically share the honor of winners of a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution, as Purple Rain won two Grammys, and the Oscar for Best Original Score. In 2010, they received the Emmy Award for Outstanding Original Main Title Theme Music for their work on Nurse Jackie.^[1] They received the ASCAP award for Composers of the Year for their work on Dangerous Minds, the theme to HBO's Carnivàle, Crossing Jordan and Heroes. They were nominated for an Emmy in 2012 for the main title theme for the Fox show Touch.^[7]"

"They have also done session work and/or written songs with Seal, k.d. lang, Joni Mitchell, Meshell Ndegeocello, Pearl Jam, Terence Trent D'arby, Lisa Germano, Lisa Marie Presley, Liz Phair, Michael Penn, Grace Jones, Tricky, The Three O'Clock, Uh Huh Her, Sheryl Crow, Victoria Williams, Rob Thomas, Gwen Stefani, Skye Edwards, Scritti Politti, Nerina Pallot, OK Go, Madonna, The Like, Nina Gordon, fDeluxe, The Family, Doyle Bramhall II, Nikka Costa, André Cymone, Kate Earl, Eric Clapton, Bettye LaVette, Ilse Delange, Mac Miller, Walk the Moon"

I mean seriously,who else in his list of 'sidekicks/band members' has achieved as much???

It's just crazy to write off their abilities.

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis in his side band did more than Wendy & Lisa....sorry

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Yeah, but they were not in his band.

And he did not even let them do anything within i-his side band.

While Wendy and lisa were trusted for their uncomparable qualities.

Jam & Lewis sure were absolutely wrongly misunderstood and neglected by Prince.

Why ? Jealousy ? Prince's know egocentrical behaviourism ? Untrustfull musicianship ?

Recognising superb quality and not alowing it ?

Well, he sure did all that with Wendy & Lisa though.

Strange isn't it.

And fanatastic Jam & Lewis got to do theyr fantastic game.

Good thing they left.

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Vannormal said:

funkman88 said:

Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis in his side band did more than Wendy & Lisa....sorry

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Yeah, but they were not in his band.

And he did not even let them do anything within i-his side band.

While Wendy and lisa were trusted for their uncomparable qualities.

Jam & Lewis sure were absolutely wrongly misunderstood and neglected by Prince.

Why ? Jealousy ? Prince's know egocentrical behaviourism ? Untrustfull musicianship ?

Recognising superb quality and not alowing it ?

Well, he sure did all that with Wendy & Lisa though.

Strange isn't it.

And fanatastic Jam & Lewis got to do theyr fantastic game.

Good thing they left.

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he knew he couldnt duplicate rain success so he let Wendy & lisa do stuff so when folks didnt like it he could say they did it! wasnt me

funkman88 said:

Vannormal said:

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Yeah, but they were not in his band.

And he did not even let them do anything within i-his side band.

While Wendy and lisa were trusted for their uncomparable qualities.

Jam & Lewis sure were absolutely wrongly misunderstood and neglected by Prince.

Why ? Jealousy ? Prince's know egocentrical behaviourism ? Untrustfull musicianship ?

Recognising superb quality and not alowing it ?

Well, he sure did all that with Wendy & Lisa though.

Strange isn't it.

And fanatastic Jam & Lewis got to do theyr fantastic game.

Good thing they left.

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he knew he couldnt duplicate rain success so he let Wendy & lisa do stuff so when folks didnt like it he could say they did it! wasnt me

Are we gonna say anything true here or just continue making up random narratives in our minds and say it with blind confidence? lol

funkman88 said:

ForceofNature said:

Ultimately is Wendy wasn't talented, in his works in that time she would not have been adding all the stuff she added, and if she wasn't the guitarist Prince wanted in that period of time, someone else would have been in instead of her.

I feel like not personally liking Wendy, and objectively talking about her talent, are becoming mixed up in this web of thoughts here. As a guitarist/music degree holder, I myself see her talent and why Prince had her in the Revolution

yes sir she is a master of the whole note chords and smurking at the camera...Talent and Wendy should never be in same sentence,,,Her dad was president of grammys so she got opportunity...no one ever said shes great musician...

Whole note chords?

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funkman88 said:

mrjj71 said:

funkman88 said: We're talking about actual band members though

Wendy was only in the band because Prince was dating her sister and Lisa was dating her...Wendy a terrible guitar player..name ONE guitarist in his band before or after her that she's BETTER than?

its Wendy fault Prince stopped dancing so much and had to pick up the guitar to play all the real solos cuz no Dez or Mike Scott around.

Prince could have challenged Michael for best dancer in the 80's if it wasn't for Wendy no playin self makin him go play the real guitar parts live!

Andy Allo.

Anyway, Wendy is a great guitar player, she's just not a shredder. It worked because Prince loved being the lead guitarist. You'll never understand if all you're doing is counting notes and time signatures, I don't know why i'm bothering, Yngwie Malmsteen is right over there, go listen.

I don't think it should be said that he found "better" musicians, but he found musicians that better fit the direction he wanted to head in. He also knew much more time with the revolution was going to stifle his creativity. I remember feeling sad when the revolution was fired in that august of 86, and then SOTT came out and I vowed to never question his musical decisions again. I never have and I regret nothing.

jasopig said:

I don't think it should be said that he found "better" musicians, but he found musicians that better fit the direction he wanted to head in. He also knew much more time with the revolution was going to stifle his creativity. I remember feeling sad when the revolution was fired in that august of 86, and then SOTT came out and I vowed to never question his musical decisions again. I never have and I regret nothing.

I don't agree about "stifling his creativity" except in the way I was talking about earlier where the band politics was probably becoming a distraction but agree about the rest. Even the Revolution themselves have said this.

The actual question posed by the thread, why not do both, is a valid question though. I suppose the answer lies within whether or not you actually think they had input into the music. I'd love to hear a song like Honeymoon Express with Prince singing and adding his own flavour to it; I personally prefer the 1986 version of Strange Relationship; a future in that direction isn't beyond comprehension or our imaginations, I could see a version of Honeymoon Express sounding like Roadhouse Garden for example, but it wasn't to be.

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jasopig said:

I don't think it should be said that he found "better" musicians, but he found musicians that better fit the direction he wanted to head in. He also knew much more time with the revolution was going to stifle his creativity. I remember feeling sad when the revolution was fired in that august of 86, and then SOTT came out and I vowed to never question his musical decisions again. I never have and I regret nothing.

I don't think the revolution was going to stiffle his creativity

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the 1982-1986 period shows who they help expand his creativity

remember this period included the proteges as well, which he was never able to express again

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After 86 and reviewing the SOTT band, I loved them, but I knew they would not be a band for long and when 1989 hit they were gone.

I actually would have looked for an expansion. Even thought loosing Sheila E as a 'frontman/protege' sucked, especially for the 3rd album, I would have enjoyed Sheila Juan Eddie M being added, + Cat, maybe even David Coleman Suzi and Novi

The music was expanding and getting richer, to see Prince expressing the depth of the music of Dream Factory would have been wonderful. Take his time and just showcase. We never got a real rendition of Condition of the Heart or Adore

jaawwnn said:

mrjj71 said:

jaawwnn said:

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I can also imagine their song, 'Are you my baby' sung by Prince but with the Camille voice

for sure! Lolly Lolly (According to Prince) is a fascinating halfway house and insight into what could have been.

mrjj71 said:

jdcxc said:

mrjj71 said:

He didn't need to... All his studio lp's from 1975 onwards bar one have charted in the top 5 in the U.S.and he's sold more than 150 million records worldwide. If it ain't broke......

Booorrring. Who cares about charts? Britney Fan? How many units sold doesnt interest me.

Well,good for you.

SoulAlive said:

the bottom line,folks: Prince simply gets bored with people after a few years he always had a hard time developing long term relationships.In an interview,he was asked if he misses Wendy and Lisa.His response? “No…attachment is stagnation”.This is why he kept changing band members,wives,and girlfriends throughout his entire life.

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He had serious trust issues.

Simple as that imho.

When people came to close in his life, he started to push them away.

He had strange love isssues and acceptance issues i believe.

And yes, he was easily bored, so he used people for their (limited) conttributions.

Cause he sort was of limited too, but just knew exactly how to play with power, due to his fantastic talents, skills and stardom position.

All my humble opinion of course.

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Vannormal said:

SoulAlive said:

the bottom line,folks: Prince simply gets bored with people after a few years he always had a hard time developing long term relationships.In an interview,he was asked if he misses Wendy and Lisa.His response? “No…attachment is stagnation”.This is why he kept changing band members,wives,and girlfriends throughout his entire life.

Ha! Did he really say that? Yeah I'd agree with this post, although your Kirk Johnson's and a few others were with him forever. I think it's quite clear that you either lived in Prince world on Prince terms or you were out.

jfenster said:

Cant ALL Wendy and Lisa threads be considered flame bait topics and be be treated as such

Yes. They should be auto locked.

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