independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Why didn't Prince do a Springsteen, and rest the Revolution for an album or 2 and then reform. Discuss..
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 3 of 6 <123456>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #60 posted 08/05/21 8:41am

mrjj71

Cinny said:



mrjj71 said:


3.The New Power Generation.



Wasn't "The NPG" actually, like, a dozen different bands over the years? lol


Ha!

Well, there's the New power generation and then there's the npg😂

I mean the Diamonds and Pearls band
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #61 posted 08/05/21 8:58am

Cinny

avatar

mrjj71 said:

Cinny said:

Wasn't "The NPG" actually, like, a dozen different bands over the years? lol

Ha! Well, there's the New power generation and then there's the npg😂 I mean the Diamonds and Pearls band

lol I figured that's what you meant smile

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #62 posted 08/05/21 10:26am

master

mrjj71 said:

What surprises me how people here are split against The Revolution.



For me at least,no-one matches their creativity,influence,genre hopping,writing and just downright energy.



Sure,youth has a part to play in that but you only have to watch the official live video of Baby i'm a star to see that that energy was unmatched by later bands.



No-one played better funky solos with character like Matt Fink,no-one matched Brown Mark for groove (the closest player to Prince's actual style) and Wendy and Lisa came up with beautiful chord inversions and brought so many different influences with them.



Eric Leeds will always be THE sax player too.



In fact if I had to pick my top 3 backing bands it would go like this...



1.The Revolution.


2.The 87-89 band with Sheila,Levi,Boni etc.


3.The New Power Generation.


The revolution brought a very Beatlessque influence. He can get that by just listening to Beatles. Did the revolution eg Wendy & Lisa as far as song input goes,go on to forge new directions in.music ? No . They kept doing beatles type stuff. If he bought them back, we get more Beatles type stuff. No days of wild, no gett off, sexy mf , lovesig. . It would b less funky & more arty. It depends on Ur taste.
[Edited 8/5/21 10:28am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #63 posted 08/07/21 3:43pm

OperatingTheta
n

donnyenglish said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Because he found better musicians.


This. The Revolution could have never pulled off the show that is on the recently released DVD. But that 2011 band could have replicated the 1984 shows in their sleep.


Exactly. I find some of the earlier Revolution performances quite stiff and rigid in comparison. The Revolution were great in the studio, but every incarnation of the NPG blew them away live and were way more musically diverse and versatile.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #64 posted 08/08/21 7:17am

muleFunk

avatar

Here we go....

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #65 posted 08/08/21 7:19am

muleFunk

avatar

OperatingThetan said:

donnyenglish said:
This. The Revolution could have never pulled off the show that is on the recently released DVD. But that 2011 band could have replicated the 1984 shows in their sleep.
Exactly. I find some of the earlier Revolution performances quite stiff and rigid in comparison. The Revolution were great in the studio, but every incarnation of the NPG blew them away live and were way more musically diverse and versatile.

The SOTT/Lovesexy band blew them out the water.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #66 posted 08/08/21 7:35am

jdcxc

The question shud be "Why didnt Bruce do a Prince and expand his talents by being musically challenged by better muscians and fresh sounds and genres?" Prince has played with some of the most talented musicians in the world...Larry Graham, Sheila E, Maceo Parker, John Blackwell, Mono Neon, Gouche, Ida, Neto, Bruner, etc.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #67 posted 08/08/21 9:14am

homesquid

avatar

LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #68 posted 08/08/21 12:11pm

muleFunk

avatar

homesquid said:

LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.

Their influence my ass....

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #69 posted 08/08/21 12:16pm

master

homesquid said:

LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.


He went as far as could with revolution. They will have done 100s of songs. parade, around world in a day,roadhouse garden, dream factory etc. Most of there contrabutions were taken off sott &I don't think that they had much influence on purple rain though. He had to unfortunately hand them their P45s , so he could go to higher level of show. It just one of those things. He not that bothered about charts success or he would just put his 12 most commercial songs on each album.
[Edited 8/8/21 12:17pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #70 posted 08/08/21 1:09pm

KoolEaze

avatar

homesquid said:

LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.

As much as I like the Revolution´s sound and what they brought to the table, I think Wendy´s and Lisa´s influence is a bit overrated. Sure, they contributed to some great songs, or, in the case of Power Fantastic, basically composed the whole song but Prince wrote some of his greatest songs during his time with them all by himself, for example When Doves Cry, The Beautiful Ones, and countless more. He made great music with and without them, and before and after them.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #71 posted 08/08/21 1:16pm

ForceofNature

Prince fans and needlessly rehashing Wendy and Lisa hate every thread, name a more iconic duo

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #72 posted 08/08/21 2:04pm

master

ForceofNature said:

Prince fans and needlessly rehashing Wendy and Lisa hate every thread, name a more iconic duo


Morris hayes, Michael b r better , John Blackwell, Eric Leeds, Dr fink .renato Neto, mayte , Levi seacer , Sheila e, cat I just prefer most of the other members to them. They r fine. It all comes down to who u prefer.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #73 posted 08/08/21 2:24pm

homesquid

avatar

muleFunk said:

homesquid said:

LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.

Their influence my ass....

Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #74 posted 08/08/21 2:28pm

homesquid

avatar

master said:

ForceofNature said:

Prince fans and needlessly rehashing Wendy and Lisa hate every thread, name a more iconic duo

Morris hayes, Michael b r better , John Blackwell, Eric Leeds, Dr fink .renato Neto, mayte , Levi seacer , Sheila e, cat I just prefer most of the other members to them. They r fine. It all comes down to who u prefer.

Not even close. W&L were the best thing that ever happened to Prince (and he the best thing that happened to them...even more, actually). Sheila E influenced Prince but the others you mentioned are just hired hands and Mayte's pussy was what influenced Prince. Well he was in love so that's not really fair of me. She has zero musical talent. Prince wrote tons of songs influenced by whatever pussy he was into at the time.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #75 posted 08/08/21 3:20pm

PennyPurple

avatar

homesquid said:

master said:

ForceofNature said: Morris hayes, Michael b r better , John Blackwell, Eric Leeds, Dr fink .renato Neto, mayte , Levi seacer , Sheila e, cat I just prefer most of the other members to them. They r fine. It all comes down to who u prefer.

Not even close. W&L were the best thing that ever happened to Prince (and he the best thing that happened to them...even more, actually). Sheila E influenced Prince but the others you mentioned are just hired hands and Mayte's pussy was what influenced Prince. Well he was in love so that's not really fair of me. She has zero musical talent. Prince wrote tons of songs influenced by whatever pussy he was into at the time.

Ahhh, W & L were also just hired hands....that's all they will ever be.

U.S.A.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #76 posted 08/08/21 3:40pm

homesquid

avatar

PennyPurple said:

homesquid said:

Not even close. W&L were the best thing that ever happened to Prince (and he the best thing that happened to them...even more, actually). Sheila E influenced Prince but the others you mentioned are just hired hands and Mayte's pussy was what influenced Prince. Well he was in love so that's not really fair of me. She has zero musical talent. Prince wrote tons of songs influenced by whatever pussy he was into at the time.

Ahhh, W & L were also just hired hands....that's all they will ever be.

Nope. You are either too young to remember or just stupid AF.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #77 posted 08/08/21 5:00pm

PennyPurple

avatar

homesquid said:

PennyPurple said:

Ahhh, W & L were also just hired hands....that's all they will ever be.

Nope. You are either too young to remember or just stupid AF.

Nope, not too young to remember nor am I stupid as fuck. biggrin


It's the damn truth, everyone who worked with Prince was just hired hands. Even Sheila was a frickin hired hand.

He hired and he fired. They were hired hands.

U.S.A.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #78 posted 08/08/21 5:06pm

lurker316

avatar

homesquid said:

muleFunk said:

Their influence my ass....

Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.



No it doesn't. They were present and recorded songs with him during the era, but he excluded them from the album. Besides IGBABN, they had no input into any of the songs. Yes, they had recorded some overdubs for Strange Relationship, but Prince removed all of them before he put the song on the album.


  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #79 posted 08/08/21 5:09pm

ForceofNature

Wendy and Lisa's influence I would argue is more correlated to songwriting than anything else. Just as ATWIAD had a lot of their (and Coleman's brother) sonic identity inspiring Prince - no doubt I bet them being around for a lot of the seeds that SOTT was born out of means that their influence of knowing him meant their DNA was in some of the things he himself was creating

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #80 posted 08/08/21 5:14pm

lurker316

avatar



I prefered Prince's concerts post 2000. It's got nothing to do with the musicianship of the band members. I don't know enough to have an opinion on that. Rather, I prefer the later concerts because the spectacle, theatrics and dancing were toned down. The focus of the show was more on the music itself.


  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #81 posted 08/08/21 5:36pm

jfenster

homesquid said:



muleFunk said:




homesquid said:


LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.




Aa. Prince could've had anyBody with him and he still would've rose to stardom..

Their influence my ass....




Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #82 posted 08/08/21 5:37pm

jfenster

homesquid said:



muleFunk said:




homesquid said:


LOL at you clowns dogging the Revolution and/or Wendy & Lisa. Their influence resulted in the best and most successful music of Prince's career and that includes SOTT. The influence is still all over that album. Prince was a billy jack bitch for not reforming the revoltion- especially near the end of his career when he was at a commercial low point.




Aa. Prince could've had anyBody with him and he still would've rose to stardom..

Their influence my ass....




Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.







Prince could've had anybody with him and and he still would've rose to stardom
[Edited 8/8/21 17:39pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #83 posted 08/08/21 6:12pm

funkman88

avatar

homesquid said:

muleFunk said:

Their influence my ass....

Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.

wasnt no wendy in 1982 so u already wrong!

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #84 posted 08/08/21 6:19pm

homesquid

avatar

lurker316 said:

homesquid said:

Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.



No it doesn't. They were present and recorded songs with him during the era, but he excluded them from the album. Besides IGBABN, they had no input into any of the songs. Yes, they had recorded some overdubs for Strange Relationship, but Prince removed all of them before he put the song on the album.


Yes it does. Prince was notorious for not giving proper credt when it came to somewriting. The influence of Wendy & Lisa is not just songwriting but they opened a box of feminine freedom that Prince ran with. When they were gone he reverted to a macho, I'm a pimp daddy goofball not long after. Without W&L Prince would not have reached the heights he did. The peak of his career was with the Revolution.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #85 posted 08/08/21 6:24pm

homesquid

avatar

jfenster said:

homesquid said:

Only a straight up fool doesn't recognize that Wendy & Lisa made Prince the best he ever was. FU if you don't agree but critic ratings and sales prove me right. SOTT has Wendy and Lisa's influence all over it...Prince's PEAK was 1982-1987. Facts.

Prince could've had anybody with him and and he still would've rose to stardom [Edited 8/8/21 17:39pm]

Not arguing with that. The guy was a phenom like Freddie Mercury. I'm just saying W&L helped Prince reach his masterpieces. The feminine influence. That's when Prince was free.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #86 posted 08/08/21 9:25pm

funkman88

avatar

homesquid said:

lurker316 said:



No it doesn't. They were present and recorded songs with him during the era, but he excluded them from the album. Besides IGBABN, they had no input into any of the songs. Yes, they had recorded some overdubs for Strange Relationship, but Prince removed all of them before he put the song on the album.


Yes it does. Prince was notorious for not giving proper credt when it came to somewriting. The influence of Wendy & Lisa is not just songwriting but they opened a box of feminine freedom that Prince ran with. When they were gone he reverted to a macho, I'm a pimp daddy goofball not long after. Without W&L Prince would not have reached the heights he did. The peak of his career was with the Revolution.

Roger Linn more important to his peak than wendy & Lisa sorry....

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #87 posted 08/09/21 1:42am

master

homesquid said:



master said:


ForceofNature said:

Prince fans and needlessly rehashing Wendy and Lisa hate every thread, name a more iconic duo



Morris hayes, Michael b r better , John Blackwell, Eric Leeds, Dr fink .renato Neto, mayte , Levi seacer , Sheila e, cat I just prefer most of the other members to them. They r fine. It all comes down to who u prefer.


Not even close. W&L were the best thing that ever happened to Prince (and he the best thing that happened to them...even more, actually). Sheila E influenced Prince but the others you mentioned are just hired hands and Mayte's pussy was what influenced Prince. Well he was in love so that's not really fair of me. She has zero musical talent. Prince wrote tons of songs influenced by whatever pussy he was into at the time.


U r telling me u'd rather see a show with Bobby z Wendy & Lisa then with them.All welcome 2 America band is better & u can add sonny Thompson etc too. . These shows were straight up purple Mac with Mac daddy leading them high on his drugs. U can't get more inspired then that.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #88 posted 08/09/21 2:07am

udo

avatar

If Prince wanted to cash in (and with him the Revolution) then they could have done it.

But Prince wished to do other things...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #89 posted 08/09/21 4:22am

mrjj71

Anyone doubting Wendy and Lisa's influence/Creativity/Musicianship only has to cast an eye across their Wikipedia or Publishing pages to understand what they brought to the table-more than anyone else he has worked with before or since....

Co-writes with Prince..

17 days

America

A million miles

Computer blue

Power fantastic

Mountains

Sometimes it snows in April

In a large room with no light

Our destiny/Roadhouse garden

Sometimes in snows in April

Under the cherry moon

Then went on to release(imho) some pretty great lp's of their own and are multi award winners-

"Wendy and Lisa technically share the honor of winners of a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution, as Purple Rain won two Grammys, and the Oscar for Best Original Score. In 2010, they received the Emmy Award for Outstanding Original Main Title Theme Music for their work on Nurse Jackie.[1] They received the ASCAP award for Composers of the Year for their work on Dangerous Minds, the theme to HBO's Carnivàle, Crossing Jordan and Heroes. They were nominated for an Emmy in 2012 for the main title theme for the Fox show Touch.[7]"

"They have also done session work and/or written songs with Seal, k.d. lang, Joni Mitchell, Meshell Ndegeocello, Pearl Jam, Terence Trent D'arby, Lisa Germano, Lisa Marie Presley, Liz Phair, Michael Penn, Grace Jones, Tricky, The Three O'Clock, Uh Huh Her, Sheryl Crow, Victoria Williams, Rob Thomas, Gwen Stefani, Skye Edwards, Scritti Politti, Nerina Pallot, OK Go, Madonna, The Like, Nina Gordon, fDeluxe, The Family, Doyle Bramhall II, Nikka Costa, André Cymone, Kate Earl, Eric Clapton, Bettye LaVette, Ilse Delange, Mac Miller, Walk the Moon"

I mean seriously,who else in his list of 'sidekicks/band members' has achieved as much???

It's just crazy to write off their abilities.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 3 of 6 <123456>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Why didn't Prince do a Springsteen, and rest the Revolution for an album or 2 and then reform. Discuss..