MoodyBlumes said:

John Mayer:

"When you can hear the thousands of hours, on top of incredible gifts, and just think of how good at somebody could be at their instrument. And not just one instrument, all of it. For me and my friends and the rest of the world growing up in the 80s and 90s learning how to play music, what a great role model as a musician to look up to people who were so good at what they did that they could wear whatever they wanted to, they could make whatever decisions they wanted to, and you trusted that it was a function of the talent. He's the best pop musician that ever lived. And at a time when you were either an artist or an entertainer, to be both, is unbelievable and very very few people do it - that is a man who did it perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

John Mayer Calls Prince t...s (go.com)

And thats what i was saying from the start of the topic Prince is imo second best musician in pop music after Stevie Wonder.i'm talking about his excursions outside the (pop) domain

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

John Mayer:

"When you can hear the thousands of hours, on top of incredible gifts, and just think of how good at somebody could be at their instrument. And not just one instrument, all of it. For me and my friends and the rest of the world growing up in the 80s and 90s learning how to play music, what a great role model as a musician to look up to people who were so good at what they did that they could wear whatever they wanted to, they could make whatever decisions they wanted to, and you trusted that it was a function of the talent. He's the best pop musician that ever lived. And at a time when you were either an artist or an entertainer, to be both, is unbelievable and very very few people do it - that is a man who did it perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

John Mayer Calls Prince t...s (go.com)

And thats what i was saying from the start of the topic Prince is imo second best musician in pop music after Stevie Wonder.i'm talking about his excursions outside the (pop) domain

That can't be right. No way is anyone virtually born blind going to be much cop at the guitar. Have you looked at the spaces between the frets? So Stevie was really good on the piano, also drums and harmonica. But P could play 20 instruments, one of them ridiculously well, and according to this video he could play even more.

Could Prince play over 30 instruments?

No. Some of the most successful/respected musicians in the world will tell you: Prince is the best.

fortuneandserendipity said:

That can't be right. No way is anyone virtually born blind going to be much cop at the guitar. Have you looked at the spaces between the frets?

langebleu said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

That can't be right. No way is anyone virtually born blind going to be much cop at the guitar. Have you looked at the spaces between the frets?

"What's that? Smells like fishy?" as Blind Boy Fuller might have sang.

I don't think what you have said is right.

The space between frets on a guitar might present a greater challenge at the outset to someone with a visual impairment when learning to play an instrument - just as much as learning different intervals on a keyboard. But that doesn't rule out the possibility of someone being able to play the guitar to a very high standard, and there's examples out there.

It should also be noted that many instrumentalists deliberately practise without the use of sight to become better players.

I can't think of anyone myself. But if Stevie Wonder had gone blind at age 10 after already learning the basics on guitar, then of course yes. There's a symmetry to the harmonica and the piano, once you learn the black key positions. The 2 space 3 space 2 is fairly regular. The drums you don't have to be centimetre precise anyway. I think the irregularity of the guitar fretboard makes it a harder instrument.

And although Stevie Wonder is one of the best if not the best on keys/piano when it comes to feel, he's not exactly Art Tatum technically, or a virtuosic performer of Liszt.

fortuneandserendipity said:

langebleu said:

"What's that? Smells like fishy?" as Blind Boy Fuller might have sang.

I don't think what you have said is right.

The space between frets on a guitar might present a greater challenge at the outset to someone with a visual impairment when learning to play an instrument - just as much as learning different intervals on a keyboard. But that doesn't rule out the possibility of someone being able to play the guitar to a very high standard, and there's examples out there.

It should also be noted that many instrumentalists deliberately practise without the use of sight to become better players.

I can't think of anyone myself. But if Stevie Wonder had gone blind at age 10 after already learning the basics on guitar, then of course yes. There's a symmetry to the harmonica and the piano, once you learn the black key positions. The 2 space 3 space 2 is fairly regular. The drums you don't have to be centimetre precise anyway. I think the irregularity of the guitar fretboard makes it a harder instrument.

And although Stevie Wonder is one of the best if not the best on keys/piano when it comes to feel, he's not exactly Art Tatum technically, or a virtuosic performer of Liszt.

well Stevie was better at jazz than Prince listen to this :https://www.youtube.com/w...oadikm1sI no way Prince could play this good

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

John Mayer:

"When you can hear the thousands of hours, on top of incredible gifts, and just think of how good at somebody could be at their instrument. And not just one instrument, all of it. For me and my friends and the rest of the world growing up in the 80s and 90s learning how to play music, what a great role model as a musician to look up to people who were so good at what they did that they could wear whatever they wanted to, they could make whatever decisions they wanted to, and you trusted that it was a function of the talent. He's the best pop musician that ever lived. And at a time when you were either an artist or an entertainer, to be both, is unbelievable and very very few people do it - that is a man who did it perfectly as far as I'm concerned.

John Mayer Calls Prince t...s (go.com)

And thats what i was saying from the start of the topic Prince is imo second best musician in pop music after Stevie Wonder.i'm talking about his excursions outside the (pop) domain

Here is what you said at the start of the topic:

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"it's hard for me to pretend that he is amazing on guitar bass piano and drums when he is just average even to pop music standards"

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Which jazz forums are you posting on by the way?

thebanishedone said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I can't think of anyone myself. But if Stevie Wonder had gone blind at age 10 after already learning the basics on guitar, then of course yes. There's a symmetry to the harmonica and the piano, once you learn the black key positions. The 2 space 3 space 2 is fairly regular. The drums you don't have to be centimetre precise anyway. I think the irregularity of the guitar fretboard makes it a harder instrument.

And although Stevie Wonder is one of the best if not the best on keys/piano when it comes to feel, he's not exactly Art Tatum technically, or a virtuosic performer of Liszt.

well Stevie was better at jazz than Prince listen to this :https://www.youtube.com/w...oadikm1sI no way Prince could play this good

I like Stevie, but there is nothing spectacular about this at all. But if this is to your taste, then you are on the wrong forum.

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Many don't get Picasso, but he was still at the top of his profession. And just because he created a cubist style, doesn't mean he didn't have his chops in place to begin with. Go find a jazz forum to spend your time... they could certainly use the support.

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"Hell, he's got it all! Multi-musician with a damned vengeance! As a drummer he can hold it down, you know what I'm sayin'? There's not many cats can nail it tight with current technology makin' most drummers damn near obsolete. As a guitar player... he puts out! Plus, he's a goddamn great piano player. Matter of fact, he's about as good as they get, and I've worked with the best, I should know!" - Miles on Miles, Interviews and Encounters with Miles Davis

[Edited 4/11/21 10:32am]

fortuneandserendipity said:

langebleu said:

"What's that? Smells like fishy?" as Blind Boy Fuller might have sang.

I don't think what you have said is right.

The space between frets on a guitar might present a greater challenge at the outset to someone with a visual impairment when learning to play an instrument - just as much as learning different intervals on a keyboard. But that doesn't rule out the possibility of someone being able to play the guitar to a very high standard, and there's examples out there.

It should also be noted that many instrumentalists deliberately practise without the use of sight to become better players.

I can't think of anyone myself. But if Stevie Wonder had gone blind at age 10 after already learning the basics on guitar, then of course yes. There's a symmetry to the harmonica and the piano, once you learn the black key positions. The 2 space 3 space 2 is fairly regular. The drums you don't have to be centimetre precise anyway. I think the irregularity of the guitar fretboard makes it a harder instrument.

And although Stevie Wonder is one of the best if not the best on keys/piano when it comes to feel, he's not exactly Art Tatum technically, or a virtuosic performer of Liszt.

Well Art Tatum isn't Liszt either, why would he be? Miles wasn't Dizzie Gilespie. And Art was certainly good at what he did, but I actually much prefer Count Basie on piano.

MoodyBlumes said:

thebanishedone said:

And thats what i was saying from the start of the topic Prince is imo second best musician in pop music after Stevie Wonder.i'm talking about his excursions outside the (pop) domain

Here is what you said at the start of the topic:

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"it's hard for me to pretend that he is amazing on guitar bass piano and drums when he is just average even to pop music standards"

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i explained what i meant by that in previous post. i don't post on jazz forums.i guess u think Kamasutra is amazing classical music lol

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Here is what you said at the start of the topic:

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"it's hard for me to pretend that he is amazing on guitar bass piano and drums when he is just average even to pop music standards"

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i explained what i meant by that in previous post. i don't post on jazz forums.i guess u think Kamasutra is amazing classical music lol

Of course you don't post in jazz forums... that goes without saying, lol.

MoodyBlumes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I can't think of anyone myself. But if Stevie Wonder had gone blind at age 10 after already learning the basics on guitar, then of course yes. There's a symmetry to the harmonica and the piano, once you learn the black key positions. The 2 space 3 space 2 is fairly regular. The drums you don't have to be centimetre precise anyway. I think the irregularity of the guitar fretboard makes it a harder instrument.

And although Stevie Wonder is one of the best if not the best on keys/piano when it comes to feel, he's not exactly Art Tatum technically, or a virtuosic performer of Liszt.

Well Art Tatum isn't Liszt either, why would he be? Miles wasn't Dizzie Gilespie. And Art was certainly good at what he did, but I actually much prefer Count Basie on piano.

Yeah I know. I was just making the point there are other genres where the technical competence has to be pushed up couple of notches over R'n'B.

Someone commenting on above Stevie Wonder video referenced Oscar Peterson, Ahmad Jamaal as real technical players. There are always artists you haven't heard because jazz is a whole other well of music. Miles compared P's piano playing to Duke Ellington, which is a real compliment. Thelonius Monk didn't play especially complicated but I really like his stuff. Probably for the same reason you like Basie. Feel is more important than technique.

fortuneandserendipity said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Well Art Tatum isn't Liszt either, why would he be? Miles wasn't Dizzie Gilespie. And Art was certainly good at what he did, but I actually much prefer Count Basie on piano.

Yeah I know. I was just making the point there are other genres where the technical competence has to be pushed up couple of notches over R'n'B.

Someone commenting on above Stevie Wonder video referenced Oscar Peterson, Ahmad Jamaal as real technical players. There are always artists you haven't heard because jazz is a whole other well of music. Miles compared P's piano playing to Duke Ellington, which is a real compliment. Thelonius Monk didn't play especially complicated but I really like his stuff. Probably for the same reason you like Basie. Feel is more important than technique.

Technical competence isn't relevant if the music isn't something one wishes to listen to. My point is that Picasso was as technically competent as they come, but his focus was in pushing the boundaries of his profession, rather than painting pretty pictures or dour portraits. Prince was technically proficient - all he did all day every day was play. Oscar Peterson was 'technially competent' and a true disciple of Art Tatum -- but it was Art who pushed the envelope. And at the end of the day, I prefer to listen to Count Basie, Dave Brubeck, Michel Legrand etc. I don't judge anyone for the style of music they prefer, but have to wonder why some spend so much time on a forum going on about a musician they don't care for. Life is too short for such nonsense, and other genres could use the support of those who are truly interested.

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Larry Williams on recording The Glamorous Life - | Larry Williams | Offici...music.com)

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically."

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Prince was interested in Larry's technical proficiency for his ability to do what he wanted for the song.

[Edited 4/11/21 12:12pm]

MoodyBlumes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yeah I know. I was just making the point there are other genres where the technical competence has to be pushed up couple of notches over R'n'B.

Someone commenting on above Stevie Wonder video referenced Oscar Peterson, Ahmad Jamaal as real technical players. There are always artists you haven't heard because jazz is a whole other well of music. Miles compared P's piano playing to Duke Ellington, which is a real compliment. Thelonius Monk didn't play especially complicated but I really like his stuff. Probably for the same reason you like Basie. Feel is more important than technique.

Technical competence isn't relevant if the music isn't something one wishes to listen to. My point is that Picasso was as technically competent as they come, but his focus was in pushing the boundaries of his profession, rather than painting pretty pictures or dour portraits. Prince was technically proficient - all he did all day every day was play. Oscar Peterson was 'technially competent' and a true disciple of Art Tatum -- but it was Art who pushed the envelope. And at the end of the day, I prefer to listen to Count Basie, Dave Brubeck, Michel Legrand etc. I don't judge anyone for the style of music they prefer, but have to wonder why some spend so much time on a forum going on about a musician they don't care for. Life is too short for such nonsense, and other genres could use the support of those who are truly interested.

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Larry Williams on recording The Glamorous Life - | Larry Williams | Offici...music.com)

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically."

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Prince was interested in Larry's technical proficiency for his ability to do what he wanted for the song.

[Edited 4/11/21 11:36am]

Nobody says Prince is a hack,you know Prince is still in my top 5 best guitar players,but what attracts me is his passion,dedication and believeing in what he played.it's not because of amazing guitar technique whiche he didn't have.point of my topic was Prince overrated bu some of fans regarding limits of what he can do as a musician.and what i see you mixing with a musician is vision.Prince had a strong vision and he was pushing his musicians beyond what they were able to do,but that means his vision was strong. as a musician he is second best to me in pop.even though i love Prince more i think Stevie's music in his prime was more sophisticated/

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Technical competence isn't relevant if the music isn't something one wishes to listen to. My point is that Picasso was as technically competent as they come, but his focus was in pushing the boundaries of his profession, rather than painting pretty pictures or dour portraits. Prince was technically proficient - all he did all day every day was play. Oscar Peterson was 'technially competent' and a true disciple of Art Tatum -- but it was Art who pushed the envelope. And at the end of the day, I prefer to listen to Count Basie, Dave Brubeck, Michel Legrand etc. I don't judge anyone for the style of music they prefer, but have to wonder why some spend so much time on a forum going on about a musician they don't care for. Life is too short for such nonsense, and other genres could use the support of those who are truly interested.

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Larry Williams on recording The Glamorous Life - | Larry Williams | Offici...music.com)

"He just kept pushing me to be as creative as possible. He wanted each track more out of tune, because it was sounding too slick for him. He wanted it to sound more of a street sound, less slick... It was one of the highlights of my career, not just the way it turned out or the way it sold, but the actual process of it... It was very exciting artistically."

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Prince was interested in Larry's technical proficiency for his ability to do what he wanted for the song.

[Edited 4/11/21 11:36am]

Nobody says Prince is a hack,you know Prince is still in my top 5 best guitar players,but what attracts me is his passion,dedication and believeing in what he played.it's not because of amazing guitar technique whiche he didn't have.point of my topic was Prince overrated bu some of fans regarding limits of what he can do as a musician.and what i see you mixing with a musician is vision.Prince had a strong vision and he was pushing his musicians beyond what they were able to do,but that means his vision was strong. as a musician he is second best to me in pop.even though i love Prince more i think Stevie's music in his prime was more sophisticated/

Of course Prince had amazing guitar technique. People who think Picasso can't paint are not knowledgeable about art. At least have some interest in the music you are referencing -- the truth is that jazz musicians are a dime a dozen; classical ones too... I played classical piano for years.

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[Edited 4/11/21 12:11pm]

MoodyBlumes said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yeah I know. I was just making the point there are other genres where the technical competence has to be pushed up couple of notches over R'n'B.

Someone commenting on above Stevie Wonder video referenced Oscar Peterson, Ahmad Jamaal as real technical players. There are always artists you haven't heard because jazz is a whole other well of music. Miles compared P's piano playing to Duke Ellington, which is a real compliment. Thelonius Monk didn't play especially complicated but I really like his stuff. Probably for the same reason you like Basie. Feel is more important than technique.

Technical competence isn't relevant if the music isn't something one wishes to listen to. My point is that
Picasso was as technically competent as they come, but his focus was in pushing the boundaries of his profession,
rather than painting pretty pictures or dour portraits.

fortuneandserendipity said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Technical competence isn't relevant if the music isn't something one wishes to listen to. My point is that
Picasso was as technically competent as they come, but his focus was in pushing the boundaries of his profession,
rather than painting pretty pictures or dour portraits.

Is that you? Because we know you aren't on the jazz forums... or classical for that matter.

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MoodyBlumes said:

thebanishedone said:

Nobody says Prince is a hack,you know Prince is still in my top 5 best guitar players,but what attracts me is his passion,dedication and believeing in what he played.it's not because of amazing guitar technique whiche he didn't have.point of my topic was Prince overrated bu some of fans regarding limits of what he can do as a musician.and what i see you mixing with a musician is vision.Prince had a strong vision and he was pushing his musicians beyond what they were able to do,but that means his vision was strong. as a musician he is second best to me in pop.even though i love Prince more i think Stevie's music in his prime was more sophisticated/

Of course Prince had amazing guitar technique. People who think Picasso can't paint are not knowledgeable about art. At least have some interest in the music you are referencing -- the truth is that jazz musicians are a dime a dozen; classical ones too... I played classical piano for years.

U mention Picasso alot.maybe you think i'm some uneducated fool so you want 2 get fancy with me.first of all i never ever ever heard anybody saying "Picasso can't paint.but i did hear comments that not everybody is fond of his neo cubism period.It's because Picaso changed his style,went from more accepted to a more aquired taste style.

Regarding Prince's guitar technique it was not amazing.He had a very good technique but not great,what he lacked in technical proficiency he compensated with his soul .But he was proficient on guitar just not the way some of you pretend he is.

You want to hear example of amazing guitar technique? and soul? here you go :

https://www.youtube.com/w...3TpZ-19gwQ do you hear any differencebetween him and Prince? you know whats the difference? maybe Prince have more natural talent but this guy started as a rock guitar player than decided he is going to be classical guitarist and spend next 10 years studing classical before returng to electric.If you practice yiur instrument more than others you will get better no matter if the others are more talented compared to you. Prince had a lot of things to do in 1 day. If he practiced guitar or piano all day he would have been 1 of the best.and he is 1 of the best but as a whole pacage he exceeds other musicians.Maybe he can't play guitar like Steve Vai but can Steve Vai sing or play piano or drums like Prince.Without guitar Steve is nothing.Prince without guitar can be so many things. For those who don't understand what i'm saying Prince was great as a whole pacage but if you dissect element by element he was still very good.But he was not a virtuoso in the classical sense of the word. And some of you who find the need to attack me or insult me ok i don't mind. but beside insulting me ,mocking me or whatever please be kind to answer the following questions Do you find yourself to be objective? If the answer is yes,than what do you think about Kamasutra title track? Is it classical music on the level of at least average classical music? Do you think Prince was seeing it as a classical music? What do you think about Prince doing fusion jazz and was that fusion jazz as good as Return To Forever ,Mahavishnu Orchestra even Spyro Gyra? Do you think Prince was a virtuoso rock guitarist in terms of technique? if yes please give an example of 1 virtuoso guitar piece by Prince . Do you think Prince was more fluent on piano compared to Billy Joel and Elton John ? so if u feel the need to insult,mock go ahead but answer these questions.if you do it will only show how objective u are. And i find myself to be objective Prince is my favourite pop musician but judging what i've seen people write online it turns out that Prince went as a musician where no other musician ever been.Prince is great at composing classical movements and Kamasutra,Xpectations and News are 3 3 movemnts he did in his career.Prince plays more than 30 instruments including real horns. Prince is the most underrated guitar player ever -see all these are quotes i see everyday online and i'm sorry to say or hurt somebodys feelings but it simply isn't true. And those quotes are the reason i made this topic.i just wanted to se how my fellow orgers think.And while i ennjoyed lots of responds ,some people here with the personal attack and stuff i mean wow. how fanatical can some people be? at least i learned to play majority of guitar parts by Prince so i think i know what i'm talking about.

thebanishedone said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Of course Prince had amazing guitar technique. People who think Picasso can't paint are not knowledgeable about art. At least have some interest in the music you are referencing -- the truth is that jazz musicians are a dime a dozen; classical ones too... I played classical piano for years.

U mention Picasso alot.maybe you think i'm some uneducated fool so you want 2 get fancy with me.first of all i never ever ever heard anybody saying "Picasso can't paint.but i did hear comments that not everybody is fond of his neo cubism period.It's because Picaso changed his style,went from more accepted to a more aquired taste style.

Regarding Prince's guitar technique it was not amazing.He had a very good technique but not great,what he lacked in technical proficiency he compensated with his soul .But he was proficient on guitar just not the way some of you pretend he is.

You want to hear example of amazing guitar technique? and soul? here you go :

https://www.youtube.com/w...3TpZ-19gwQ do you hear any differencebetween him and Prince? you know whats the difference? maybe Prince have more natural talent but this guy started as a rock guitar player than decided he is going to be classical guitarist and spend next 10 years studing classical before returng to electric.If you practice yiur instrument more than others you will get better no matter if the others are more talented compared to you. Prince had a lot of things to do in 1 day. If he practiced guitar or piano all day he would have been 1 of the best.and he is 1 of the best but as a whole pacage he exceeds other musicians.Maybe he can't play guitar like Steve Vai but can Steve Vai sing or play piano or drums like Prince.Without guitar Steve is nothing.Prince without guitar can be so many things. For those who don't understand what i'm saying Prince was great as a whole pacage but if you dissect element by element he was still very good.But he was not a virtuoso in the classical sense of the word. And some of you who find the need to attack me or insult me ok i don't mind. but beside insulting me ,mocking me or whatever please be kind to answer the following questions Do you find yourself to be objective? If the answer is yes,than what do you think about Kamasutra title track? Is it classical music on the level of at least average classical music? Do you think Prince was seeing it as a classical music? What do you think about Prince doing fusion jazz and was that fusion jazz as good as Return To Forever ,Mahavishnu Orchestra even Spyro Gyra? Do you think Prince was a virtuoso rock guitarist in terms of technique? if yes please give an example of 1 virtuoso guitar piece by Prince . Do you think Prince was more fluent on piano compared to Billy Joel and Elton John ? so if u feel the need to insult,mock go ahead but answer these questions.if you do it will only show how objective u are. And i find myself to be objective Prince is my favourite pop musician but judging what i've seen people write online it turns out that Prince went as a musician where no other musician ever been.Prince is great at composing classical movements and Kamasutra,Xpectations and News are 3 3 movemnts he did in his career.Prince plays more than 30 instruments including real horns. Prince is the most underrated guitar player ever -see all these are quotes i see everyday online and i'm sorry to say or hurt somebodys feelings but it simply isn't true. And those quotes are the reason i made this topic.i just wanted to se how my fellow orgers think.And while i ennjoyed lots of responds ,some people here with the personal attack and stuff i mean wow. how fanatical can some people be? at least i learned to play majority of guitar parts by Prince so i think i know what i'm talking about.

If I thought you were educated, I'd have mentioned Mark Rothko. What is with these You Tube links -- do you actually listen to this type of music? If not, then what are you going on about?

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Prince was highly proficient on the instruments he played. Why would Prince want to play guitar like Steve Vai? Steve had a ton of respect for him, even gifted him with one of his guitars. Return to Forever and Mahavishnu were not catering to a popular audience, so in that regard they weren't great musicians either. Elton John called Prince the greatest musician he saw live on a stage -- did you not see the video I linked?

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My guess is that you aren't posting on a Stevie Wonder forum, likely not even listening to his music. As for being fanatical -- I think many who spend hours and hours each week posting on a Prince forum could be labelled as such.

SantanaMaitreya said:

Overrating your favourite artist, that's the whole point of being a fan! I was listening to a piano & mic show on YouTube and in the comments somebody said that Prince was the only artist who could rock a crowd with only one instrument. Of course he wasn't, there's plenty of singer-songwriters who can do the same with an acoustic guitar. And then there's fans going on about him playing 27 instruments. If you count all the instruments Lister on For You, you don't make it to 27. So yes, there is a lot of hype about him being this super-musician. And of course you can always find someone who is a better guitar player or a better piano player than Prince and I agree that his jazz projects aren't great, it just isn't his genre. But the way Prince was able to be the complete rock star, instrumentalist, singer, songwriter, producer, band leader... He was unique. [Edited 4/4/21 0:45am] [Edited 4/4/21 0:48am]

Which jazz projects do you find great? The jazz world melted down when Miles put out 'On the Corner', they couldn't stand it. Many don't like Coltrane's later period either... So what jazz projects do you consider great, what are you listening to? And I agree it is normal for fans to uber-love their artists... music supports people in their lives.

wilmer said:

Prince defies the proverb: Jack of all trades and master of none. Nobody has ever done so much so well.

- Exactly.

All in all when we mean overrate - is there a universally accepted "rating" system we ought to use to measure musicianship? To me I just listen to what I like, praise all different kinds of musicianship and don't worry about the rest

jdcxc said:

Plenty of Jazz Greats loved Prince...Herbie, Miles, George Bensen. They know how difficult it is to do what Prince does...genius songcraft.

From Article...Madhouse has become celebrated among jazz players. “Roy Hargrove told me he loved that [first] album. Branford Marsalis was a big Prince fan and got into my shit because of Madhouse. When Kenny Garrett was in Miles’ band, he had a cassette of his group playing Madhouse songs.

https://jazztimes.com/fea...adhouse-8/

I've always liked this album, and Eric's playing was excellent. I like it more than his solo work - 'Things Left Unsaid' has almost 30 musicians on there, '8' is 2 musicians + a hilarious campaign. For some reason, the album cover reminds me of Buddy De Franco's Blind Date and Cooking the Blues.

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