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Well Steve wasn't speaking on Prince's guitar skills, he was irked about Prince's overzealous pursuit of intellectual property rights, taking down you tube of a child dancing to his music. Can totally see why he would tell you to bugger off. And by that way, that was about 6.5 years ago.
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I'm starting to think that these comments' trajectory are becoming fool's gold--we've gotten into the weeds a bit out-of-field from your original-post subject with all the talk of producers' comments on Prince, musical scales application, trading insults, telling who's the staunchest fan, who listens to which musicians, who plays this instrument and that instrument better than who--the latter offering somewhat interesting discussion for a tad, but its starting to feel like a bit of wanking by this round of text. Sure I need 2 get off, but not in that kind of way, lolz. > Thanks for Ur orgnotes. Please be assured that I wasn't trying to be rude in my initial post on this thread--only stating the fact that always on this fans'-appreciation site you can look forward to someone giving a go at knocking down a great musician's rep. Thanks for your link gift, also, BTW. > My Fam, Prince has had his career in his own way while doing some cool stuff, made some crazy fans and many honest admirers. And a lot his accolades are deserved. > Guys and gals, I think that thebanishedone is having too much much fun on this thread, lol. Am I right? Oh yeah--U can never have too much fun!
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Look,even though i said i will not respond 2 u anymore ,i will break it 1 time only and tell u " Albini said " “If your little daughter does a kooky dance to a Prince song don’t bother putting it on YouTube for her grandparents to see or a purple dwarf in assless chaps will put an injunction on you. Did I offend the little guy? Fuck it. His music is poison.”
So Albini did say it's poison. Anyway it seems like you are only looking for anything you can use to provoke me ,without even thinking what i meant. i will tell you you got it all wrong.So no need for you to go to every topic i post and make refferences to this topic. you don't like me ,i don't like you and this Prince.org friendship ends here. And i will not replay to any of your posts where you adress me.I had a couple of conflicts on org but in the end it was resolved cause those people didn't mean bad,neither did i.but in your case the only thing i see is a bad intention and desire to provoke,insult,dismiss and other stuff in the similar fashion. So for the last time from me 2 u orevuar .
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Quite clear what you meant, and context is key. Prior to your post, nobody cared about what Albino thinks (pun intended). You started a thread to insult someone, and are here whining about how folks are responding to you? You have posted all kinds of nonsense - how about what sax icon Maceo Parker thinks? He also called Prince a genius. | |
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Nope. Absolutely not. Few around him could keep up with him. The guy had a completely natural ability to "get it". | |
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The question is more what/who DOESN'T Steve Albini hate |
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Music is the voice of god .. a true genius simply gets out of the way of the voice of god and serves as a conduit .. this is called the zone .. this is why a single person can have genius and trash musical moments.. they rose to fame by getting the ego the overthinking out of the way and letting it flow naturally ... no matter the technical proficiency once said musician “tries” to recreate the magic via practice or study the magic slips away and the voice of god becomes tainted with ego intent and intellect.. prince is no exception .. nor are any hoity toity jazz prog masters .. 3 chords and the truth will always contain more talent than an overrehearsed woodshedder | |
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The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days... | |
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Many musicicans that played with/for Prince received formal training. Adrian Crutchfield is one example. - Talk to Adrian Crutchfield about how much more Prince had to offer/taught him in terms of music education than the years of Crutchfield's formal training did. "New Power slide...." |
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True, and nobody is checking for Steve's thoughts on Prince, lol. But Prince's actions in suing fans and taking down the you tube of a child dancing to one of his songs brought backlash from many. I feel for musicians... you tube and spotify don't pay - Prince was in a position to take a stand, even though at times it was perhaps too much.
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In fairness to the ol' coot Albini, In Utero was a great album. I enjoyed reading about how it was recorded using his techniques, and the result was a refreshing departure from the sound of Nevermind.
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"I think the very best thing you could do at this point is exactly what you are talking about doing: bang a record out in a couple of days, with high quality but minimal “production” and no interference from the front office bulletheads. If that is indeed what you want to do, I would love to be involved.
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"If, instead, you might find yourselves in the position of being temporarily indulged by the record company, only to have them yank the chain at some point (hassling you to rework songs/sequences/production, calling-in hired guns to “sweeten” your record, turning the whole thing over to some remix jockey, whatever…) then you’re in for a bummer and I want no part of it."
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What is your point? Prince didn't have a college music degree, and neither did Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charlie Parker, Buddy Rich, Louis Armstrong, Charlie Christian, Muddy Waters, Thelonius Monk, B.B. King, George Benson, Wes Montgomery, Chuck Berry, Jim Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Woodie Guthrie, Hans Zimmer, Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell or Frederic Chopin. . Who do you imagine college jazz students are studying? . Prince was trained from the cradle - his dad was a jazz musician, his mother a jazz singer, and when he got older he was likely listening to jazz legend cousin Louis Hayes. Prince was mentored by multi-instrumentalist Sonny Thompson, whose skills were good enough to get him hired by James Brown. Prince learned studio craft and production from Chris Moon, who had his own recording studio - he was also chief audio engineer at the largest ad agency in Minneapolis - Chris' audio interview here: Interview: Chris Moon | Funkatopia . When Prince arrived at Warners, he received on the job training as assistant producer to James Newton Howard on the Valerie Carter record - James has scored over 100 films. Prince was able to produce himself because he auditioned on all the instruments. He was apparently the youngest producer in Warners' history. . Buddy Rich Cathy Rich: My Perfection...xnews.com) Arguably the greatest drummer that ever lived, this self-taught genius never practiced but instead, played with the likes of Frank Sinatra, Benny Goodman, Tommy Dorsey and Artie Shaw, always making these giants better. . Bernard "Buddy" Rich (September 30, 1917 – April 2, 1987) was an American jazz drummer and bandleader. He is considered one of the most influential drummers of all time. . Rich was known for his virtuoso technique, power, and speed. He was an advocate of the traditional grip, though he occasionally used match grip when playing the toms. Despite his commercial success and musical talent, Rich never learned how to read sheet music, preferring to listen to drum parts and play them from memory. . Duke Ellington Duke Ellington : Bradbury...et Archive "The composer and bandleader Duke Ellington (1899-1947) was a largely self-taught pianist who was influenced by jazz and ragtime performers… With no formal training in composition, he nonetheless employed daring and innovative musical devices in his works; blending lush melodies with unorthodox and often dissonant harmonies and rhythmic structures based on what was then called 'jungle' effects, he wrote and arranged songs tailored to his own band and soloists. . Count Basie Count Basie | American mu...Britannica Basie studied music with his mother and was later influenced by the Harlem pianists James P. Johnson and Fats Waller, receiving informal tutelage on the organ from the latter. . Freddie Green Freddie Green: Birth of a Style Frederick Willliam Greene, born 1911, anchored Count Basie's rhythm section from 1937 until his death in 1987 with few interruptions. A self-taught guitarist, Green (as he preferred to spell it) was a devoted member of the band. . Charles Christian Charlie took music class in high school (trumpet), but quit to pursue basketball. . “All three sons were taught music by their father, Clarence Henry Christian.” . His single-string technique, combined with amplification, helped bring the guitar out of the rhythm section and into the forefront as a solo instrument. For this, he is often credited with leading to the development of the lead guitar role in musical ensembles and bands. John Hammond and George T. Simon called Christian the best improvisational talent of the swing era. In the liner notes to the album Solo Flight: The Genius o... Christian (Columbia, 1972), Gene Lees wrote that "Many critics and musicians consider that Christian was one of the founding fathers of bebop, or if not that, at least a precursor to it." Christian's influence reached beyond jazz and swing. In 1990, he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the category Early Influence. . Charlie Parker He attended Lincoln High School in September 1934, but withdrew in December 1935, just before joining the local musicians' union and choosing to pursue his musical career full-time. . Thelonius Monk: Monk started playing the piano at the age of six, taking lessons from a neighbor, Alberta Simmons, whose own performing career was cut short by raising children and who taught him stride playing in the style of Fats Waller, James P. Johnson and Eubie Blake. His mother also taught him to play some hymns, and he would sometimes accompany her singing at church. He attended Stuyvesant High School, a public school for gifted students, but did not graduate. . Wes Montgomery Montgomery may not have i...ystar.com) The revolutionary jazz guitarist Wes Montgomery (born Indianapolis, 1923) was self-taught, and it showed. He played differently. He used his thumb. Most jazz guitarists used picks. . George Benson wanted to be just like him. "Montgomery was the most musical cat," Benson said in a 2015 interview with the website Soul and Jazz and Funk Latest. . George Benson George Benson: Finding Hi...About Jazz As a self-taught jazz guitarist, Benson can be described as an artistic genius of melodic and chordal improvisation fused with the humility of a man passionate about the art of jazz. . He credits some of the unfolding of his musical gifts to the life changing moments he experienced hanging out and jamming with a few jazz greats of legendary stature early on in his career...
. Bob Dylan In May 1960, Dylan dropped out of college at the end of his first year. In January 1961, he traveled to New York City to perform there and visit his musical idol Woody Guthrie. . Hans Zimmer Since the 1980s, he has composed music for over 150 films. Zimmer was born in Frankfurt am Main, West Germany. As a young child, he lived in Königstein-Falkenstein, where he played the piano at home but had piano lessons only briefly, as he disliked the discipline of formal lessons. In one of his Reddit AMAs, he said: "My formal training was two weeks of piano lessons. I was thrown out of eight schools. But I joined a band. I am self-taught. But I've always heard music in my head. . Frederic Chopin “He Was Not Like Other ...ed Pianist Chopin – of whom the Princess Belgiojoso said “is greater than the greatest of pianists, he is the only one” – was entirely self-taught. Consider this fact for a moment – Chopin had no elementary instruction in the piano or piano technique. Instead, he learned technique by creating it and refining it, ultimately revealing a poetic virtuosity which has never known a rival.
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David Epstein on the Genius of the Self-Taught Musician David Epstein on the Geni...ithub.com) From Django Reinhardt to Dave Brubeck, Some of the Greats Couldn’t Even Read Music . Duke Ellington was one of the few who ever actually took formal lessons, when he was seven, from the exuberantly named teacher Marietta Clinkscales. He lost interest immediately, before he learned to read notes, and quit music entirely to focus on baseball… When he was 14, Ellington heard ragtime, and for the first time in seven years sat down at a piano and tried to copy what he had heard. “There was no connection between me and music, until I started fiddling with it myself,” he remembered. “As far as anyone teaching me, there was too many rules and regulations. As long as I could sit down and figure it out for myself, then that was all right.” Even once he became arguably America’s preeminent composer, he relied on copyists to decode his personal musical shorthand into traditional musical notation. . Pianist Dave Brubeck earned the medal as well. His song “Take Five” was chosen by NPR listeners as the quintessential jazz tune of all time. Brubeck’s mother tried to teach him piano, but he refused to follow instructions. He was born cross‑eyed, and his childhood reluctance was related to his inability to see the musical notation. His mother gave up, but he listened when she taught others and tried to imitate. Brubeck still could not read music when he dropped out of veterinary premed at the College of the Pacific and walked across the lawn to the music department, but he was a masterful faker. He put off studying piano for instruments that would more easily allow him to improvise his way through exercises. . Senior year, he could hide no longer. “I got a wonderful piano teacher,” he recalled, “who figured out I couldn’t read in about five minutes.” The dean informed Brubeck that he could not graduate and furthermore was a disgrace to the conservatory. Another teacher who had noticed his creativity stuck up for him, and the dean cut a deal. Brubeck was allowed to graduate on the condition that he promise never to embarrass the institution by teaching. Twenty-five years later, the college apparently felt it had sufficiently escaped embarrassment, and awarded him an honorary doctorate. . Perhaps the greatest improv master of all could not read, period—words or music. Django Reinhardt was born in Belgium in 1910, in a Romani caravan. His early childhood talents were chicken stealing and trout tickling—feeling along a riverbank for fish and rubbing their bellies until they relaxed and could be tossed ashore. Django grew up outside Paris in an area called la Zone, where the city’s cesspool cleaners unloaded waste each night… Django went to school if he felt like it, but he mostly didn’t. He crashed movie theaters and shot billiards, and was surrounded by music. Wherever Romani gathered, there were banjos, harps, pianos, and especially violins.
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Not sure how Prince would have managed in music class without being able to read the notes in front of him. . . Prince's First Music Teac...PEOPLE.com Prince's First Music Teacher: 'He Was at the Band Room Door at 8 a.m. Sharp Every Day Waiting to Be Let In' . "It still baffles me thinking that the smart kid in my music theory class would go on to become the Minnesota king of funk," Jimmy Hamilton tells PEOPLE . "Former Bryant Junior High music teacher Jimmy Hamilton vividly recalls having Prince Rogers Nelson, the “shy, smart” kid he taught piano, in his class in the early 1970s.
“He was a seriously smart kid, and he just got music,” Jimmy Hamilton, 79, tells PEOPLE. “He really understood it, what music was at the core. Even from that early age. . "The former music teacher, who had Prince in his seventh and eighth grade business of music and music theory classes at Minneapolis’ Bryant Junior High, describes the icon as being “introverted” – until he picked up an instrument, that is. . "Hamilton says Prince was mostly “self-taught,” so the two focused on music theory and learning fun, contemporary songs."
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Did Wendy and Lisa speak on 'not formally trained' Buddy Rich and Duke Ellington as well? . Anyone who is insulted by being compared to the 'untrained' likes of Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charlie Parker, Buddy Rich, Louis Armstrong, Charlie Christian, Muddy Waters, B.B. King , Hans Zimmer, Chuck Berry, Jim Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Woodie Guthrie, George Benson, Frank Zappa, Joni Mitchell, Chopin, etc. - is as ignorant as they come.
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Here's the thing(imo). There are better singers, guitar players, bassists, drummers, piano players and producers than Prince was. BUT, as a individual, i still believe that Prince was one of the greatest all around artists (I'm talking top 5) to ever walk the earth. The man did great things with sounds and also with the LinnDrum Machine. And, at times, it was absolutely amazing at how he could layer and harmonize his voice.
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wow somebody is making a comparation between Coltraine,Benson,Elington to a pop musician Prince. lol those 3 could eat Prince alive.haha how far are some Prince fanatics ready to go. maybe if they use ears instead of hey you know what Miles said about Prince or similar. lol total craziness | |
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Not nearly as crazy as someone who spends most of their life on a Prince forum complaining about Prince. But do enjoy those Ellington and Benson records. And yes, Miles' opinion (and my own), is quite a lot more important than yours. | |
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do you even know how to play an instrument? maybe you wanna show me how good you are? cause i bet you suck.but you can prove me wrong. show me aN example of your musicianship. and i don't if you noticed but you are only posting on my topic. let me tell you something,you are not interesting to me at all.so whjy you don't back off from some apsurd topics that i make? whjy u post non stop on a topic that you don't lke and why you harress me on other topics refferencing this 1? very strange. regarding musicianship show me an example of your playing.lets see where you stand as a musician.cause i see you have a lot to say | |
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this moody stalker guy posted at least 25 times on my thread.if i fid some threads dumb i don't participate. still waiting to hear how good moody is on any instrument . i hope it's not" hey i don't play any instrument but i love music" lol | |
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A Prince forum has little to do with you - but you are posting on it incessantly, for a musician you have little to no regard for. This speaks for itself. Now, do run along to the Benson forum, and send me a link when you stumble upon Chick playing Rachmaninoff. I double dare you to post the nonsense you have posted here on any jazz form about any great... take screen shots, and let us know how that goes for you. | |
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yap i had very sad life. working on shows by artists such as Sos Band,Baby Face,Teddy Riley,Gregory Porter,Sheila E,Nazareth,Trouble Funk,Kansas,Buddy Guy,Greg Boyer,NPG Horns,Liv Warefield. what are your credentials may i ask? | |
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show me example of your playing ? i bet you don't play or if u do it was poor. also tell me about your credentials.i mean did you ever even go out of your room? | |
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What are the credentials of any anonymous font? Your comments speak to your credentials. | |
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What does my playing have to do with anything? Have you not seen Miles' playing or Maceo Parker's, or Elton John's, or Dave Grohl's? Ignorance is bliss, as they say. | |
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it has to do a lot because if you don't play an instrumental and you discuss techniqual aspects of it of course it does.so can you bless us with a video or audio of your playing if you even play. well maybe you think i'm luying but i actually did work with all the guys i mentioned,one of the fellow orgers who have an amazing collection of boots sent download links to Greg Boyer's personal email because he told me he would love to have those 21 nights in London shows.
So with who did you work? what are you credentials and may i see an example of your playing? | |
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One of your buddies stole music from Prince? Like I said dude, run along to the Benson forum... post this same nonsense there, and let us know how it goes for you. Hope you enjoyed serving coffee to Sheila. | |
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i was working as a tech i didn't service coffie. but i know u wish i did. what did you do in your life in the meantime? and i'm stil waiting to hear your playing?but let me guess you don't play but you just looove music so much. lol | |
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