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Reply #180 posted 03/01/21 2:52am

Vannormal

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Strive said:

Vannormal said:

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No it certainly is not problematic at all.

It is a doubtful story tbh, no matter if he sings ''it's true''.


Read The Beautiful Ones.

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Well I did.

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #181 posted 03/01/21 3:12am

Vannormal

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Rimshottbob said:

@ Bart: For one who's usually such a Nazi about stating facts on this site, and for differentiating between facts and opinions, it's surprising to see you post something so totally off.

'None of those were as bad as CB' .... what does that even mean? The other albums were brickwalled but Crystal Ball was more brickwalled? Even if that is the case, which I doubt, that has nothing to do with how the new reissue will sound, when it is mastered specifically for vinyl.

Also, see how you're immediately dealing in opinions there? 'None of those were as bad' provides nothing concrete to base the statement on, only imparts your opinion on the previous releases.

And then we get to your take on Movie Star.... so the CREATOR of the track thought it should have the intro to Jam Of The Year at the start of it (a creator who was well-known for holding tracks back for years before releasing them, thus it could be argued that, to Prince, Movie Star 'belonged' on Crystal Ball '98, which is when it was released, and therefore was chronologically part of his canon, succeeding 1996's Jam Of The Year... so why shouldn't Jam feature on Movie Star?)

So, again, the CREATOR of the track thought it should be on there, but you don't, and that's not an opinion? Haha, hilarious.

You just don't like the fact that Movie Star features the intro to Jam Of The Year. Fair enough, but oh, guess what? 'Don't like' is pretty much the definition of an opinion.

Lastly, what does CB being available through NPGMC or on CD have to do with it? Those releases would not have received mastering specific for vinyl.

Vinyl as a format is quieter than every other - it has to be, PHYSICALLY, or else the needle will just jump off the record mid-distortion. So there's no reason to brickwall the release when they master it for vinyl. Vinyl mastering has nothing to do with the digital mastering for CD or NPGMC.

Bart, honestly, to me, on this site, you're 50% a useful source of information, and 50% a curmudgeonly, stick-in-the-mud pain in the ass.... but whichever guise you show up in, you're usually smarter than this.

BartVanHemelen said:

[Edited 2/27/21 7:12am] to direct @ Bart

[Edited 2/27/21 7:14am] for typos

[Edited 2/27/21 7:15am] for typos typos typos!

[Edited 2/27/21 7:16am]

[Edited 3/1/21 3:20am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #182 posted 03/01/21 7:43am

Ramzoo

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7 months left?
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Reply #183 posted 03/01/21 8:16am

OperatingTheta
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dodger said:

LILpoundCAKE said:



Romeoblu said:


I read elsewhere that Diamonds and Pearl's will have 8 cds of unreleased music. I find that hard to believe as the price of the set would be very high.



well that's just all the GANGSTER GLAM remixes lol



Hope so.
Well as I G-E double T-O-F-F
I want a full disc of Tony remixes. Just to see the piss boil here


Perhaps there's also an unreleased Tony M solo album from the time period? If so, I'll put my vote in for that as well.

And did Tony M and TC Ellis ever grace a track together? The possibilities...
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Reply #184 posted 03/01/21 8:24am

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Rimshottbob said:

@ Bart: For one who's usually such a Nazi about stating facts on this site, and for differentiating between facts and opinions, it's surprising to see you post something so totally off.



'None of those were as bad as CB' .... what does that even mean? The other albums were brickwalled but Crystal Ball was more brickwalled? Even if that is the case, which I doubt, that has nothing to do with how the new reissue will sound, when it is mastered specifically for vinyl.



Also, see how you're immediately dealing in opinions there? 'None of those were as bad' provides nothing concrete to base the statement on, only imparts your opinion on the previous releases.



And then we get to your take on Movie Star.... so the CREATOR of the track thought it should have the intro to Jam Of The Year at the start of it (a creator who was well-known for holding tracks back for years before releasing them, thus it could be argued that, to Prince, Movie Star 'belonged' on Crystal Ball '98, which is when it was released, and therefore was chronologically part of his canon, succeeding 1996's Jam Of The Year... so why shouldn't Jam feature on Movie Star?)



So, again, the CREATOR of the track thought it should be on there, but you don't, and that's not an opinion? Haha, hilarious.



You just don't like the fact that Movie Star features the intro to Jam Of The Year. Fair enough, but oh, guess what? 'Don't like' is pretty much the definition of an opinion.



Lastly, what does CB being available through NPGMC or on CD have to do with it? Those releases would not have received mastering specific for vinyl.



Vinyl as a format is quieter than every other - it has to be, PHYSICALLY, or else the needle will just jump off the record mid-distortion. So there's no reason to brickwall the release when they master it for vinyl. Vinyl mastering has nothing to do with the digital mastering for CD or NPGMC.



Bart, honestly, to me, on this site, you're 50% a useful source of information, and 50% a curmudgeonly, stick-in-the-mud pain in the ass.... but whichever guise you show up in, you're usually smarter than this.



BartVanHemelen said:




Rimshottbob said:



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None of those albums were as bad as CB. And when CB was available through the NPGMC it was IIRC just as bad as the CD set.


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As for the quality of the Crystal Ball music? The notion that the tracks are butchered and mis-sequenced is just an opinion (and a rather tired one, at that)



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It is not an opinion that for instance "Jam Of The Year" should not be featured in the intro to "Movie Star".





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[Edited 2/27/21 7:14am] for typos


[Edited 2/27/21 7:15am] for typos typos typos!

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Agreed. They were all Prince's choices to make about his creations. The 1998 Crystal Ball set constitutes the only official release of 'Movie Star'. Prince was certainly not beholden to versions of songs appearing illegally on bootlegs he didn't approve.

Bart has been posting like this since 1998, when I first joined the org. If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past I'd have a little more respect and tolerance, but after over two decades of utter bitterness and negativity it's all wearing a bit thin to be honest. He's very similar to a certain Prince associate who criticises Prince at every opportunity, while also being quite willing to attend the opening of a Prince-related envelope...
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Reply #185 posted 03/01/21 10:37am

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Looking forward to hear what casey drain and his award winning cousin have to say about how any future deluxe edition sounds.

#gutted

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Reply #186 posted 03/01/21 2:10pm

Dandroppedadim
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I hope the slow/funkier version of Horny Pony is on the D&P SDE. Also Glam Slam 91 needs to on there. Live video version of Willing and Able. Player would be great in hi-def. The earlier version of Daddy Pop with the Apache breakbeat more prominent. I could go on... I’m actually looking forward to it...
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Reply #187 posted 03/01/21 2:33pm

Transformed1

Hoping a nice version of Empty Room falls in this period

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Reply #188 posted 03/01/21 4:40pm

jfenster

Do they consider what's circulating??? And attempt to find more to release?
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Reply #189 posted 03/01/21 9:11pm

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i hope they keep finding welcome 2 america's and parade deluxe is postponed for another 10 years

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Reply #190 posted 03/02/21 2:25am

jaawwnn

Why so many hateful posts lustmealways? disbelief

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Reply #191 posted 03/02/21 8:27am

dm3857

Could be really cool if they found a place to put that rehearsal footage that leaked a few months ago (5 minutes or so from July 18 1991)
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Obviously that’s not something that would appeal to the masses, but still.
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I love the deluxe sets so far, I wish they would take it a step further and do kind of how Bob Dylan does. They release an expanded edition, and then a deluxe edition, a bigger deluxe edition, and then they release a “are u insane???” Huge edition that compiles just about everything that was done in that period.
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Reply #192 posted 03/02/21 9:48am

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jaawwnn said:

Why so many hateful posts lustmealways? disbelief

in my rush to dismiss the stuck in the 80s haters, it appears that i too have become a hater

i will take time away and think about what i've done.

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Reply #193 posted 03/02/21 10:46am

Chappers72

lustmealways said:



jaawwnn said:


Why so many hateful posts lustmealways? disbelief



in my rush to dismiss the stuck in the 80s haters, it appears that i too have become a hater

i will take time away and think about what i've done.



This seriously cracked me up...I thought I was the only one who had a word with myself, as the needs arise
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Reply #194 posted 03/02/21 2:12pm

LoveGalore

dm3857 said:

Could be really cool if they found a place to put that rehearsal footage that leaked a few months ago (5 minutes or so from July 18 1991)
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Obviously that’s not something that would appeal to the masses, but still.
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I love the deluxe sets so far, I wish they would take it a step further and do kind of how Bob Dylan does. They release an expanded edition, and then a deluxe edition, a bigger deluxe edition, and then they release a “are u insane???” Huge edition that compiles just about everything that was done in that period.
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Considering the absolute beastly amount of recorded and filmed content, it does boggle the mind why they aren't bolder with the releases - love them as I do.
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Reply #195 posted 03/02/21 2:31pm

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LoveGalore said:

Considering the absolute beastly amount of recorded and filmed content, it does boggle the mind why they aren't bolder with the releases - love them as I do.

welcome 2 america is going to be such a monumentally great album i'm already tearing up, lovegalore.

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Reply #196 posted 03/02/21 3:10pm

RODSERLING

Still no official announcement, how can you believe CB will be released in April?
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Reply #197 posted 03/02/21 3:50pm

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RODSERLING said:

Still no official announcement, how can you believe CB will be released in April?

thursday

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Reply #198 posted 03/03/21 2:28am

jaawwnn

lustmealways said:

jaawwnn said:

Why so many hateful posts lustmealways? disbelief

in my rush to dismiss the stuck in the 80s haters, it appears that i too have become a hater

i will take time away and think about what i've done.

lol s'all good

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Reply #199 posted 03/03/21 7:06am

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OperatingThetan said:


If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.

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Reply #200 posted 03/03/21 7:17am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


Crystal ball was a decent

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It wasn't. It was unbalanced in its selection and pointless in its execution (seguing together tracks from wildly different eras) and contained incomplete and incorrect liner notes. It was an overpriced mess that had all the faults of early bootlegs at a time when bootleggers had evolved into more carefully curated collections. And it used the title of a classic "lost" album instead of coming up with an original title.

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It was a failure in so many aspects, and basically the first example of how Prince would again and again fail to deliver over the years to come.

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Reply #201 posted 03/03/21 7:25am

LoveGalore

lustmealways said:

LoveGalore said:

Considering the absolute beastly amount of recorded and filmed content, it does boggle the mind why they aren't bolder with the releases - love them as I do.

welcome 2 america is going to be such a monumentally great album i'm already tearing up, lovegalore.

hunny u aint wrong, some of the rumored songs on that album are among his best.

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Reply #202 posted 03/03/21 7:26am

LoveGalore

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


Crystal ball was a decent

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It wasn't. It was unbalanced in its selection and pointless in its execution (seguing together tracks from wildly different eras) and contained incomplete and incorrect liner notes. It was an overpriced mess that had all the faults of early bootlegs at a time when bootleggers had evolved into more carefully curated collections. And it used the title of a classic "lost" album instead of coming up with an original title.

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It was a failure in so many aspects, and basically the first example of how Prince would again and again fail to deliver over the years to come.

"Fail to deliver"? As if an artist's output is a service they're providing you? Seek professional help for your unhealthy relationship (ie. bullshit made up in your head) with strangers.

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Reply #203 posted 03/03/21 7:42am

Rimshottbob

BartVanHemelen said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


Crystal ball was a decent

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It wasn't. It was unbalanced in its selection and pointless in its execution (seguing together tracks from wildly different eras) and contained incomplete and incorrect liner notes. It was an overpriced mess that had all the faults of early bootlegs at a time when bootleggers had evolved into more carefully curated collections. And it used the title of a classic "lost" album instead of coming up with an original title.

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It was a failure in so many aspects, and basically the first example of how Prince would again and again fail to deliver over the years to come.

Well now you're just talking bollocks.

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Reply #204 posted 03/03/21 8:13am

dave1dmarx

Here's hoping that they don't split CB into six LPs. It barely made sense for Emancipation and CB is thirty minutes shorter at 150 minutes total. They could use four LPs and have just one side go barely over the 20-minute mark if they balance everything just right. By contrast, both sides of Purple Rain are over 21 minutes long each. I don't mind spending the money (well actually, I DO mind), but I really hate the idea of having to flip over a record every twelve minutes or so. Here's how they can easily fit it all on four LPs:

Side 1 - Crystal Ball / Dream Factory / Acknowledge Me - 19:02

Side 2 - Ripopgodazippa / Love Sign [Shock G's Silky Remix] / Hide The Bone / Hide The Bone - 17:47

Side 3 - So Dark / Moviestar / Tell Me How U Want 2 B Done / Interactive / Da Bang - 19:16

Side 4 - Calhoun Square / What´s My Name / Crucial / An Honest Man / Sexual Suicide - 17:48

Side 5 - Cloreen Bacon Skin / Good Love - 20:32

Side 6 - Strays Of The World / Days Of Wild [live] / Last Heart - 17:27

Side 7 - Poom Poom / She Gave Her Angels / 18 & Over / The Ride - 19:17

Side 8 - Get Loose / P. Control [remix] / Make Your Mama Happy / Goodbye - 18:04

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy

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Reply #205 posted 03/03/21 8:33am

TrevorAyer

Like much of later era prince CB is much better if you chop it up ... put the og CB songs together .. the rock n live stuff together .. then u have a few remixes to put on your 12 inch mixtape .. and can delete the corny rnb npg outtakes .. great material mostly .. better than gold experience for sure .. just an annoying sequence
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Reply #206 posted 03/03/21 9:16am

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BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:




If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.



You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist - I suggest you follow your own advice and seek some professional help for that.

Having observed you here since 1998 and the consistency of your negative critique and attitude, that wasn't even remotely mellowed by the unexpected death of Prince himself, it is not unreasonable to conjecture that the reasons and motivation for your fixation might be personal. What else accounts for someone so regularly contributing to the fan forum of an artist they so clearly detest?
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Reply #207 posted 03/03/21 11:11am

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OperatingThetan said:

BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:




If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.



You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist - I suggest you follow your own advice and seek some professional help for that.

Having observed you here since 1998 and the consistency of your negative critique and attitude, that wasn't even remotely mellowed by the unexpected death of Prince himself, it is not unreasonable to conjecture that the reasons and motivation for your fixation might be personal. What else accounts for someone so regularly contributing to the fan forum of an artist they so clearly detest?

Bravo 🤝
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Reply #208 posted 03/03/21 1:49pm

rap

OperatingThetan said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.

You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist - I suggest you follow your own advice and seek some professional help for that. Having observed you here since 1998 and the consistency of your negative critique and attitude, that wasn't even remotely mellowed by the unexpected death of Prince himself, it is not unreasonable to conjecture that the reasons and motivation for your fixation might be personal. What else accounts for someone so regularly contributing to the fan forum of an artist they so clearly detest?

Very well articulated.

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Reply #209 posted 03/03/21 4:10pm

camilleisfunky

BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:




If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.


Funny you should make this comment. This is the first time I see someone recommend OperatingThetan seek professional help when in fact several orgers made the very same recommendation to you. Obviously in vain as you keep posting shit. You're a disgrace and should feel ashamed for posting rubbish that was most likely read by Prince himself. Again, I know this is in vain.
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