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Reply #210 posted 03/03/21 4:48pm

AvocadosMax

are they fixing the audio levels on Crystal Ball???? if so that would be the only reason for me to spend money on that.... otherwise, i don't care for it

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Reply #211 posted 03/03/21 4:50pm

lustmealways

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AvocadosMax said:

are they fixing the audio levels on Crystal Ball???? if so that would be the only reason for me to spend money on that.... otherwise, i don't care for it

they will almost certainly be doing nothing to change anything about it. it will be a straight repress of the same masters used for the 98 release

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Reply #212 posted 03/03/21 5:00pm

LoveGalore

OperatingThetan said:

BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:




If he was honest about who he really was and what personal issues he's had with Prince in the past

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.



You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist - I suggest you follow your own advice and seek some professional help for that.

Having observed you here since 1998 and the consistency of your negative critique and attitude, that wasn't even remotely mellowed by the unexpected death of Prince himself, it is not unreasonable to conjecture that the reasons and motivation for your fixation might be personal. What else accounts for someone so regularly contributing to the fan forum of an artist they so clearly detest?


Btw, it's closer to 30 years if you count AMP.
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Reply #213 posted 03/03/21 6:49pm

musucfan09

Great
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Reply #214 posted 03/03/21 9:06pm

christobole

camilleisfunky said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.

Funny you should make this comment. This is the first time I see someone recommend OperatingThetan seek professional help when in fact several orgers made the very same recommendation to you. Obviously in vain as you keep posting shit. You're a disgrace and should feel ashamed for posting rubbish that was most likely read by Prince himself. Again, I know this is in vain.

Bart Van Hemelen has most often been spot on with his criticisms of forum members' conjectures, factual mistakes and overall cognitive errors. Bart knows Prince's work and life like few people on this forum do (or are willing to display), and it's unfortunate, so few of us seem to pay attention to facts and details. That Bart must be frustrated is entirely understandable, and it is a bit of a pity, that his style verges on the rude frequently. I, for one, am happy that he still takes the time to point out "you lot's" many shortcomings, even if I myself disagree with his style. Critique of Prince's artistic and business decisions is justified most often as well - the incongruousness of "Jam of the Year" elements within "Movie Star" is obvious, even though it's also no one but Prince's business. Prince has made an abundance of idiotic moves - but pointing them out, speaks of love and care, rather than loathing. It is also true, that looking too closely at something or someone, is not always healthy for the observer, especially when criticism is futile. But here's to free speech and offending people. Perhaps forum members might also want to consider, how frustrating it is for those, who pay more attention to things...

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Reply #215 posted 03/03/21 9:09pm

AvocadosMax

lustmealways said:

AvocadosMax said:

are they fixing the audio levels on Crystal Ball???? if so that would be the only reason for me to spend money on that.... otherwise, i don't care for it

they will almost certainly be doing nothing to change anything about it. it will be a straight repress of the same masters used for the 98 release

fuckn cash grab money whores

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Reply #216 posted 03/03/21 9:49pm

lustmealways

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AvocadosMax said:

fuckn cash grab money whores

consider: this album has been out of print for 20+ years and, though they could go farther, a cd and vinyl reissue is more than i would expect for an obscure and long hodgepodge compilation that no one but hardcore fans care about

i always see people saying stuff like "why aren't there bonus tracks with these reissues why aren't they remastered why why why" and it's like, do you guys know what a reissue is? it's to get the album back in print when it hasn't been in print for a long time, that's it. make a few bucks sure, but this isn't the avenue for any sort of special treatment, and as far as i'm concerned, no one has a right to complain about these not having anything different because if you were paying attention you would know they were never meant to be different. save that stuff for the deluxe edition type releases.

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Reply #217 posted 03/03/21 11:58pm

RODSERLING

lustmealways said:



RODSERLING said:


Still no official announcement, how can you believe CB will be released in April?

thursday



So, here we are on Thursday, and still nothing announced.
And, as I said before, we always had leaks with preorders on websites days before the official announcement.

And it was always released three months after...
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Reply #218 posted 03/04/21 12:02am

BartVanHemelen

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lustmealways said:

i always see people saying stuff like "why aren't there bonus tracks with these reissues why aren't they remastered why why why" and it's like, do you guys know what a reissue is? it's to get the album back in print when it hasn't been in print for a long time, that's it. make a few bucks sure, but this isn't the avenue for any sort of special treatment

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Though for the ONA Live vinyl package, they did commission Sam Jennings for "new" artwork, since nothing of the sort existed since there wasn't a vinyl release of this at the time. He has documented that on his Facebook page, IIRC.

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Reply #219 posted 03/04/21 12:07am

BartVanHemelen

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LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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It wasn't. It was unbalanced in its selection and pointless in its execution (seguing together tracks from wildly different eras) and contained incomplete and incorrect liner notes. It was an overpriced mess that had all the faults of early bootlegs at a time when bootleggers had evolved into more carefully curated collections. And it used the title of a classic "lost" album instead of coming up with an original title.

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It was a failure in so many aspects, and basically the first example of how Prince would again and again fail to deliver over the years to come.

"Fail to deliver"? As if an artist's output is a service they're providing you?

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Ah yes, how dare ... lemme check my notes here... demand that Prince deliver on his promises WRT CB instead of him and his minions spending months insulting those who had pre-ordered this exclusive set as "impatient", just to name one of the reasons. It's not like he promised a glorious set and instead he delivered a shitty hockey puck with scratched discs and without a booklet -- oh wait, he did. It's not like they promised the set would be exclusive and then it appeared in stores BEFORE they'd even mailed out the first sets to those who had pre-ordered -- oh wait, that is what happened.

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Reply #220 posted 03/04/21 12:11am

BartVanHemelen

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OperatingThetan said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.

You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness

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Again: you made shit up in your mind and are now upset about that.

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toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist

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Ah there it is, the old "why are you even here" bullshit. If you want slavish dedication to Prince, there are other forums.

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As for the rest: I post about Prince on a Prince forum. You post about ME on a Prince forum.

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Reply #221 posted 03/04/21 7:52am

Marco81

Oh look, another derailed thread.

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Reply #222 posted 03/04/21 8:33am

Romeoblu

Probably best if this thread gets locked and the we can have a new thread if and when we get an official announcement.
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Reply #223 posted 03/04/21 8:50am

dave1dmarx

Here's a thought... How about we just discuss the MUSIC instead of getting into a pissing contest (that NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT) about who's a bigger Prince fan? Just a thought...

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Reply #224 posted 03/04/21 8:58am

Rimshottbob

lustmealways said:

AvocadosMax said:

are they fixing the audio levels on Crystal Ball???? if so that would be the only reason for me to spend money on that.... otherwise, i don't care for it

they will almost certainly be doing nothing to change anything about it. it will be a straight repress of the same masters used for the 98 release

Unless you buy the vinyl... which, if the previous rereleases are anything to go by, will sound a thousand times better than the original CDs.... because it will not be deafeningly loud and brickwalled to the point of distortion.

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Reply #225 posted 03/04/21 9:14am

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RODSERLING said:

So, here we are on Thursday, and still nothing announced. And, as I said before, we always had leaks with preorders on websites days before the official announcement. And it was always released three months after... [Edited 3/4/21 0:21am]

so it shall be written in the history books:

lustmealways was wrong, RODSERLING is the victor

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Reply #226 posted 03/04/21 10:24am

RODSERLING

lustmealways said:



RODSERLING said:


So, here we are on Thursday, and still nothing announced. And, as I said before, we always had leaks with preorders on websites days before the official announcement. And it was always released three months after... [Edited 3/4/21 0:21am]

so it shall be written in the history books:

lustmealways was wrong, RODSERLING is the victor




So is that all that matters to you ?

I would have rather been proven wrong.

But like I said last month, a CB release won't be before june, at least.
April was unrealistic, knowing they need preorders to adjust the numbers of what they are printing on vinyl.
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So, I highly doubt the planning of W2A, D&P, etc will be respected as well.
Again, I hope to be proven wrong.
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Reply #227 posted 03/04/21 3:47pm

LoveGalore

BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.




You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness

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Again: you made shit up in your mind and are now upset about that.


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toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist

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Ah there it is, the old "why are you even here" bullshit. If you want slavish dedication to Prince, there are other forums.


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As for the rest: I post about Prince on a Prince forum. You post about ME on a Prince forum.



Not just he posts about you on a Prince forum. Thousands of people have, over the decades, taken issue with the way you talk to people. No idea why mods don't seem to give a fuck yet will ban other folks who mouth off to people with less frequency. Fact is, your posts aren't that interesting to justify the shitty attitude. Maybe at one time they were but, oh wait, times change.
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Reply #228 posted 03/04/21 4:21pm

funkbabyandthe
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Even if they improve the levels you still have to bear that awful cover art.

lol
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Reply #229 posted 03/04/21 11:47pm

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these schkopi folks have another 24 hours to make good on the crystal ball this week comment or else i'm going to lose it

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Reply #230 posted 03/05/21 3:26am

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LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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You have made up bullshit in your head and are upset about that bullshit. I suggest you seek professional help for that.




You've spent over twenty years posting nothing but judgement and bitterness

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Again: you made shit up in your mind and are now upset about that.


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toward an artist on a fan forum dedicated to that artist

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Ah there it is, the old "why are you even here" bullshit. If you want slavish dedication to Prince, there are other forums.


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As for the rest: I post about Prince on a Prince forum. You post about ME on a Prince forum.



Not just he posts about you on a Prince forum. Thousands of people have, over the decades, taken issue with the way you talk to people. No idea why mods don't seem to give a fuck yet will ban other folks who mouth off to people with less frequency. Fact is, your posts aren't that interesting to justify the shitty attitude. Maybe at one time they were but, oh wait, times change.
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Fully agree....
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Reply #231 posted 03/05/21 4:27am

RODSERLING

If you Don't agree with someone, then don't give a shit about it, don't feed the feud, and stop trolling about it during numerous pages for god'sake.

There were many people here who alerted the mods to ban me at numerous time just because I stated opinions or facts. And they were the insulting people.
What are you, police of the universal thought ?

Let Bart state his opinions. Spitting on Prince because he released a quintuple brickwalled album more than twenty years ago on an indépendant label, we all got over it.

There is really no stake at play here.
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Reply #232 posted 03/05/21 7:21am

TrevorAyer

No one cares if crap like poom poom or hide the bone are brickwalled... but real prince fans want those crystal ball 86 era tracks to be released untouched by the remasterers or even the late era poor judgement version of prince ... it is not an unreasonable topic to return to while the estate may or may not be reading ... if u all would use google for christs sake you would know that prince was inspired by your favorite foil to pen “my name is bart” and therefore he will never be banned ... yeesh u lot sometimes ...
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Reply #233 posted 03/05/21 7:22am

jfenster

Crystal ball tracks on YouTube sound great to me..
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Reply #234 posted 03/05/21 11:57pm

rap

LoveGalore said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Ah there it is, the old "why are you even here" bullshit. If you want slavish dedication to Prince, there are other forums.

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As for the rest: I post about Prince on a Prince forum. You post about ME on a Prince forum.

Not just he posts about you on a Prince forum. Thousands of people have, over the decades, taken issue with the way you talk to people. No idea why mods don't seem to give a fuck yet will ban other folks who mouth off to people with less frequency. Fact is, your posts aren't that interesting to justify the shitty attitude. Maybe at one time they were but, oh wait, times change. [Edited 3/4/21 15:47pm]

The Mods inconsistency has been consistent for some time.

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Reply #235 posted 03/06/21 7:38am

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Ahhhh Bart.

Bart has my respect even though I have to tune him out from time to time.

He's one of the most knowledgeable Prince folk around.

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Reply #236 posted 03/06/21 11:26am

RODSERLING

Covid or not, it s crazy a simple reissue has to be delayed for like 7 months ( as it was due to be released on november of last year).

I don't think other reissues from other artists had to be delayed like that due to Covid.
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Reply #237 posted 03/07/21 6:25am

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RODSERLING said:

Covid or not, it s crazy a simple reissue has to be delayed for like 7 months ( as it was due to be released on november of last year). I don't think other reissues from other artists had to be delayed like that due to Covid.

Calling it a 'simple reissue' isn't really being realistic though, is it? Simple enough, on the surface, but isn't Crystal Ball the first release since Prince's passing to contain music from both his Warner Years and his NPG years?

Clearly there were legal reasons why the original Crystal Ball-era tracks were unable to be featured on Sign O The Times Super Deluxe. We have no idea what legal complications and hoops there are to be jumped through and sorted out to get Crystal Ball out there.

Even if it's just red tape, formalities, etc. it would take time, perhaps more time than originally anticipated, and COVID restrictions, reduced personnel etc would only add to that.

You can call it a simple reissue, but the truth is we just don't know that.

These reissues will come out when they come out... I understand fans wanting to hear new/more Prince music, but all this constant bitching about HURRY UP, HURRY UP ESTATE, is going to make absolutely no difference.

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Reply #238 posted 03/07/21 7:03am

LoveGalore

Rimshottbob said:



RODSERLING said:


Covid or not, it s crazy a simple reissue has to be delayed for like 7 months ( as it was due to be released on november of last year). I don't think other reissues from other artists had to be delayed like that due to Covid.




Calling it a 'simple reissue' isn't really being realistic though, is it? Simple enough, on the surface, but isn't Crystal Ball the first release since Prince's passing to contain music from both his Warner Years and his NPG years?



Clearly there were legal reasons why the original Crystal Ball-era tracks were unable to be featured on Sign O The Times Super Deluxe. We have no idea what legal complications and hoops there are to be jumped through and sorted out to get Crystal Ball out there.



Even if it's just red tape, formalities, etc. it would take time, perhaps more time than originally anticipated, and COVID restrictions, reduced personnel etc would only add to that.



You can call it a simple reissue, but the truth is we just don't know that.



These reissues will come out when they come out... I understand fans wanting to hear new/more Prince music, but all this constant bitching about HURRY UP, HURRY UP ESTATE, is going to make absolutely no difference.



[Edited 3/7/21 6:26am]



They explained why the CB songs weren't on there though.
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Reply #239 posted 03/07/21 11:00am

RODSERLING

And why in hell would the CB songs be on SOTT SDE?

What would be the point ?

It s really ludicrous to think that CB is in hell release because of legal issues.
If that was the case, Sony would have released an other reissue. They have the choice...
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