WhisperingDandelions said:

funkypixie said:

I wouldn't take Funkenberry's word as gospel. Before SOTT was confirmed I remember him saying the estate wouldn't release it until they had the rights to the SOTT concert film which proved to be untrue.

[Edited 12/21/20 11:58am]

Howe confirmed the estate genuinely tried/really wanted SOTT film in the set, so likely the intel was correct at that moment.

Honestly glad they lost out on that one because I much prefer something new like what we got.

EDIT

Also, D&P is a perfectly fine album. Just a little safe and contrived. I liked the more daring approach he used to take and this was marking the period where he really seemed to be more of a follower than a pioneer. There's plenty of good songs on it though and almost all of the material came off really well live with the new NPG and on TV. To me, there's not a real clunker on it besides "Strollin" but nothing as great as "Annastesia" or "Joy in Repetition" either.

Jughead and Push catch a lot of shit but, musically, they're fine and quite funky - just ruined by the vocals and rap. If they were instrumental, people would like them more I think. Prince does a pretty good job here mixing up styles, switching gears, trying some new shit and Insatiable is one of his better ballad entries. "Willing and Able" doesn't really sound like anything I'd heard him try before, even if it doesn't entirely succeed.

I'm not nuts about the record and rarely play it but that's mainly because there's not a ton of real depth to it like 1999, Parade or SoTT. From a commercial standpoint, D&P Deluxe makes perfect sense for the estate to release next though if they're stsill trying to mine the hits. And why wouldn't they?

Past this one though, I hope they give up the SDE approach and really dig into the vault, the live stuff and especially the aftershows. I think they know they're looking at far fewer sales that way. A "Best of the Vault/Prince LIVE/Members Only Aftershow" collection for the hardcore fans is about the only thing I can think of moving forward that would get me to tap my credit card again and I think the "mainstream hits related" posthumeous Prince stuff is about tapped out.

[Edited 12/22/20 7:03am]

lustmealways said:

jfenster said:

lustmealways said:

sorry, haters. this is going to be a fantastic package. dare i say more revalatory than parade. dare i say some of you are stuck in the 80s. delay parade for 10 more years if it means i get to 93-95 soundboard quality aftershows faster

They'll probably release the DNA lounge.....which of course we have perfectly

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That would be because of the 'experts' they have.

Have to admit it would be a massive disappointment if D&P were to be the next one. Infact I don't think I would even purchase it. D&P for me represents Prince dumbing down, and turning deliberately more commerical in order to win back the mainstream. I can see why some like it, and I wouldn't call it a bad album, just wasn't for me.

I was hoping for Parade, Dirty Mind or ATWIAD...

Fill the holes in what we have (i.e. Parade, ATWIAD), then work outward from there. Wasn't 'Kiss' P's first non-PR #1? I don't know a mainstreamer who could even name you a tune on D&P...

knock knock

who's there?

a killer and perfectly awesome release

a killer and perfectly awesome release who?

a killer and perfectly awesome release would be diamonds and pearls super deluxe edition

thank u

Undertaker SDE would find more common ground...

eyewishuheaven said:

Fill the holes in what we have (i.e. Parade, ATWIAD), then work outward from there. Wasn't 'Kiss' P's first non-PR #1? I don't know a mainstreamer who could even name you a tune on D&P...

You seriously don't think people know "Cream" and the title track?

herb4 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Fill the holes in what we have (i.e. Parade, ATWIAD), then work outward from there. Wasn't 'Kiss' P's first non-PR #1? I don't know a mainstreamer who could even name you a tune on D&P...

You seriously don't think people know "Cream" and the title track?

They might know Cream and/or Gett Off, but they wouldn't know which album they came from. 'Round here, anyway.

herb4 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

eyewishuheaven said:

herb4 said:

You seriously don't think people know "Cream" and the title track?

They might know Cream and/or Gett Off, but they wouldn't know which album they came from. 'Round here, anyway.

All righty then. I'll take your word for it.

But D&P was one of Prince's most successful commercial endeavors, marked a "comeback" of sorts at the time and I feel safe saying that it was pretty mainstream in 1991. He was all over the TV (Arsenio Hall, The MTV Music Awards, Rock In Rio, The Special Olympics) and the songs from this record were pretty ubiquitous during that time. The splash he made baring his ass on MTV alone was a fucking tidal wave in terms of publicity.

D&P is right up there just behind 1999, PR and Batman as an album that everyone associates with him. I think more casual fans know about this one even over SoTT. It reached #3 on the charts and had 2 top 5 hits (Cream and the title track) plus it had 5 top 20 hits on the R&B charts.

People know this record.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

herb4 said:

herb4 said:

But D&P was one of Prince's most successful commercial endeavors, marked a "comeback" of sorts at the time and I feel safe saying that it was pretty mainstream in 1991. He was all over the TV (Arsenio Hall, The MTV Music Awards, Rock In Rio, The Special Olympics) and the songs from this record were pretty ubiquitous during that time. The splash he made baring his ass on MTV alone was a fucking tidal wave in terms of publicity.

D&P is right up there just behind 1999, PR and Batman as an album that everyone associates with him. I think more casual fans know about this one even over SoTT. It reached #3 on the charts and had 2 top 5 hits (Cream and the title track) plus it had 5 top 20 hits on the R&B charts.

People know this record.

Yes, in the early '90s the general public was very aware of Diamonds & Pearls. But they seem to have forgotten it. In 2020, if you ask the general publis to start listing Prince songs nearly all of them will be from 1999 or Purple Rain, with perhaps the addition of Raspberry Beret, Kiss and Batdance. Diamonds & Pearls just doesn't pop into Joe Public's mind.

Perhaps you can jog their memories by saying, "What about Diamonds & Pearls or Cream" and they may say, "Oh yeah, I forgot about those." But the point is, they aren't on the tip of anyone's tongues.

There are other non-D&P songs I could say the same thing about. Back in '87 everyone knew U Got the Look, but today that's not one that jumps into the mind of the general public. Like D&P, you might be able to job people's memories and it will come back to them. Another one: Partyman. In '89 everyone knew it. It was a major follow-up hit to Batdance. But most people seem to have forgotten it today.

Point being, just because a song/ablum was popular at one particular point in time, that doesn't mean it stuck it the consciousness of the general public.

lurker316 said:

SquirrelMeat76 said:

Lurker316 pretty much nailed what my experience has been.

And for the record I'm 49, and Canadian.

tab32792 said:

Honestly, I'm not interested in any more SDEs other than Around The World, Parade, and Lovesexy. Much respect to the estate but after the excellence of SOTT, I'm good from here on out.

Will likely pass this one. Much prefer more 80's SDE's.

RODSERLING said:

lurker316 said:

Point being, just because a song/ablum was popular at one particular point in time, that doesn't mean it stuck it the consciousness of the general public.

Of course, but common', everybody knows Cream. In France, it has always been one of the 3 Prince songs that were the most broadcast on radio/tv. .

In the US, most non-fans I know don't remember Cream at all. if I play it for them it will often ring a bell, but off the top of their head they can't remember it.

funkaholic1972 said:

Will likely pass this one. Much prefer more 80's SDE's.

yeah,I'm finding it hard to get excited about a D&P SDE.It's odd because I really do like the album

lurker316 said:

homesquid said:

JayCrawford said: