JorisE73 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's important that fans support this release.If it doesn't sell well,there's a chance that we won't get those other 'Super Deluxe Editions' that we want so bad.Buy a copy of this set,folks! Buy another copy to give as a Christmas gift!

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases.

Smart move by the Elite Fans. I mean, if this set doesn't sell, the lesson Warners and the Estate will definitely take from it is that future releases need to be more rapey.

Robbajobba said:

JorisE73 said:

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases.

Smart move by the Elite Fans. I mean, if this set doesn't sell, the lesson Warners and the Estate will definitely take from it is that future releases need to be more rapey.

I'll be getting one for Christmas, but there are a LOT of reasons for poor sales, and it has nothing to do with quality.

1. The price of this -- even the CD version -- is very steep.
2. This is streaming on Spotify, YouTube etc. for free.
3. There was a full-quality leak of this before the release date.
4. People just are not buying physical releases like they used to (extension of #2).

I'm of the opinion that A) support the Estate so that more stuff like this will come out and B) I've heard a lot of this as bootleg, and it's only right to buy it since it's now available.

homesquid said:

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

Did you get it? If so, then what's the problem?

homesquid said:

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

It is a different time for album sales, take into account the box set is expensive, that is not a suprise. That is different than saying it is selling less than projected by the Estate - Rolling Stone reported going into the top 200 with #31, with 95 percent of those who purchased it going for the physical edition. That is quite good

Mumio said:

I was gifted the Super Deluxe set and it just arrived and was ordered from the Prince website. First of all, they need to get this stuff out a hell of a lot faster than it is coming out. We were notified it shipped the 28th and it took too long to get here. I'd have expected an order right from the site to be here within 2 or 3 days at the most. Secondly, both the estate as well as the myriad of other people out there selling Prince materials need to be a lot smarter in their timing. Releasing such a massive set of music, along with several books by other artists in the month prior to/running into the Christmas season is just plain stupid. People are shopping for gifts and the timing is just terrible to be releasing this stuff. Unless one is well off, it's tough to come up with several hundred dollars extra to make personal purchases now.

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Amen, Mumio.

Seahorsie said:

AND, looking at this from a practical angle, it is time to pay your year-end taxes, & get your loved ones a gift. I am going to order it, as I am a vinyl freak but this month I just can't yet. But as soon as I recoop a little, I am. I want it soooo bad.....

Maybe you'd get it as a Christmas present!

Fifty bucks isn't a bad price for a 5 cd set.

PennyPurple said:

Fifty bucks isn't a bad price for a 5 cd set.

I'm pretty sure that, by now, the concensus is that the CDs aren't overpriced - the vinyl is. And at $22 per record, it is overpriced. That means we're paying $44 for a vinyl copy of 1999. They don't need to add Extraloveable or Lust U Always - the set is rapey enough at that price point.

I had it pre-ordered on Amazon. I realized that there is not too much that I want and that this would be a good thing to put on my Christmas list. I planned to buy it myself though because I wanted the autorip from Amazon to be linked to my account, since it makes it much easier to access through multiple devices. Once I saw that Autorip was not included, I cancelled my preorder and included it on the Christmas wish list after all.

Robbajobba said:

JorisE73 said:

I completely agree, but some fans think that if they shell out money for this release the Estate might think that they did a great job and this kind of sets is what we want and will only get instead of proper, full on, questionable lyrics and all releases.

Smart move by the Elite Fans. I mean, if this set doesn't sell, the lesson Warners and the Estate will definitely take from it is that future releases need to be more rapey.

There's a big difference between made up song lyrics or passages in a book or scenes in a movie and real rape.
It's really sad that were living in a age when people can't see the difference anymore of Prince or whoever singing about raping someone and Cosby/Epstein/Weinstein who actually do those things.

So, if people are so butthurt about some fantasy lyrics from Prince then stop supporting this mean man.
Or if people are so oversensitive than smack a warning label on the releases so people can avoid being butthurt. (I know, many people only look for 'offences' or act offended these days just to whine for 'clicks' and 'likes' on there shitty social media site.)

JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

There's a big difference between made up song lyrics or passages in a book or scenes in a movie and real rape.
It's really sad that were living in a age when people can't see the difference anymore of Prince or whoever singing about raping someone and Cosby/Epstein/Weinstein who actually do those things.

So, if people are so butthurt about some fantasy lyrics from Prince then stop supporting this mean man.
Or if people are so oversensitive than smack a warning label on the releases so people can avoid being butthurt. (I know, many people only look for 'offences' or act offended these days just to whine for 'clicks' and 'likes' on there shitty social media site.)

It is a bit ironic that the man who inspired the Parental Advisory label was posthumously censored by his own estate.

Sad indeed, these people running the show just can't be trusted with anything reagrding his music.
First they say they won't ever edit or change anything in his recording and then proceed to do just that on the last releases and now they're even cencoring him and treat his fans like children.

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JorisE73 said:

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said: It is a bit ironic that the man who inspired the Parental Advisory label was posthumously censored by his own estate.

Sad indeed, these people running the show just can't be trusted with anything reagrding his music.
First they say they won't ever edit or change anything in his recording and then proceed to do just that on the last releases and now they're even cencoring him and treat his fans like children.

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It's weird that they would state their intentions as such when there's hundreds (or more?) people out there who can literally point to LOTS of songs and be like, "Nope. That's wrong."

LoveGalore said:

JorisE73 said:

Sad indeed, these people running the show just can't be trusted with anything reagrding his music.
First they say they won't ever edit or change anything in his recording and then proceed to do just that on the last releases and now they're even cencoring him and treat his fans like children.

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It's weird that they would state their intentions as such when there's hundreds (or more?) people out there who can literally point to LOTS of songs and be like, "Nope. That's wrong."

He wasn't really censored though. They didn't go back and edit any of the original 1999 content, like "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth". THAT would be censorship. All that stuff is still on the record.

The Estate chose to not release two songs that had previously also not been released. It's not really censorship . . . if anything, it's status quo.

Releasing them -- but editing/altering them -- would be censorship.

Se7en said:

LoveGalore said:

It's weird that they would state their intentions as such when there's hundreds (or more?) people out there who can literally point to LOTS of songs and be like, "Nope. That's wrong."

He wasn't really censored though. They didn't go back and edit any of the original 1999 content, like "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth". THAT would be censorship. All that stuff is still on the record.

The Estate chose to not release two songs that had previously also not been released. It's not really censorship . . . if anything, it's status quo.

Releasing them -- but editing/altering them -- would be censorship.

It wouldn't be censorhip had Michael Howe not explained the reasoning.

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https://www.britannica.co...censorship

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Censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good.

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It is textbook (literally) censorship in this context.

Reminder that Horny Toad was included on disc 2 and nobody said one word about it despite it being way more gross than Extraloveable or Lust U Always or the scream at the end of DSMR or sections of Let's Pretend We're Married. There's nothing really playful about it despite it being an uptempo song.

Too bad Prince didn't release Crystal Ball 2. If he did, Extralovable and Lust U Always would've been included on this set.

XNY said:

His fanbase will be listening to his music for a long long time...15k sold or 15 million sold, we're not going anywhere !

Keep in mind most of us already have the 1999 CD and vinyl and the b-sides, etc.

I'm waiting to get the $70 Super Deluxe version after the holidays. Buying things for my kids is a bigger priority at the moment.

Amen, I Hear Ya!!!

Strive said:

LoveGalore said:

Strive said:

Reminder that Horny Toad was included on disc 2 and nobody said one word about it despite it being way more gross than Extraloveable or Lust U Always or the scream at the end of DSMR or sections of Let's Pretend We're Married. There's nothing really playful about it despite it being an uptempo song.

Too bad Prince didn't release Crystal Ball 2. If he did, Extralovable and Lust U Always would've been included on this set.

100% And just for reference, Michael Howe characterized the lyrics in question as possessing "egregiously insensitive candor" lol. Alrighty then.

So eloquent...sounds like an English professor.

Prince was probably 24 at the time of this song's inception and I appreciate his honesty and rawness but he was clearly awash in testosterone...but I happen to like that in a man.

IMO, Michael H. needs to navigate the current social climate, though.

PeggyO said:

Prince was probably 24 at the time of this song's inception and I appreciate his honesty and rawness but he was clearly awash in testosterone...but I happen to like that in a man.

IMO, Michael H. needs to navigate the current social climate, though.

Touché ...PeggyO...lol!!! 🤣

PeggyO said:

LoveGalore said:

Strive said: 100% And just for reference, Michael Howe characterized the lyrics in question as possessing "egregiously insensitive candor" lol. Alrighty then.

So eloquent...sounds like an English professor.

But Horny Toad was okay? What about the title itself, Irresistable Bitch? The sex scenario of LDC, the pervert statements in LPWM, etc etc. Now Im kind of feeling the criticism due to the "hypocriticism" of not worrying abut the other lascivous songs included in his catalogue with nary a wince.

It seems like every topic goes back to these 2 songs. All in all, they are not included but we have bootlegs where we can listen to them all we want. No big deal

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JorisE73 said:

homesquid said:

1999 Deluxe is the third release from the estate. I can understand that some weren't thrilled with the first two but this one of his biggest albums and had four discs worth of unreleased material...and it couln't sell 15k in the first week?

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

If that is true, man I really find some fans to be quite crazy. Like, boycotting this release over 2 songs we can already hear on bootlegs anyways, for not being included? This release was done "right", no matter what a very vocal and very very little minority think

ForceofNature said:

rdhull said:

PeggyO said:

So eloquent...sounds like an English professor.

But Horny Toad was okay? What about the title itself, Irresistable Bitch? The sex scenario of LDC, the pervert statements in LPWM, etc etc. Now Im kind of feeling the criticism due to the "hypocriticism" of not worrying abut the other lascivous songs included in his catalogue with nary a wince.

The Howe edict has me re-analyzing all cuts both album and outtake for possible social firestorms of epic #hashtag proportions.

Like everyone flipping out over the "Head" encore on the DVD, so I was jamming along. "Love you 'til you're dead" Ahem... What? "'Love you 'til you're dead?" So rape bad, Necrophilia good, is this the message of one Howe/Comerica/Estate industries et. al? I'm just trying to keep score for us at home.

ForceofNature said:

JorisE73 said:

I heard from some fans who didn't buy it and they said that a lot of fans are boycotting this release for ommitting to many essential tracks and Howe's comments on not releasing Extra Loveable and Lust U Always.
These fans are content with downloading the FLACs of this release and will buy the eventual more complete version when done right or better.

If that is true, man I really find some fans to be quite crazy. Like, boycotting this release over 2 songs we can already hear on bootlegs anyways, for not being included? This release was done "right", no matter what a very vocal and very very little minority think

Uhm, it's a lot more than just 2 songs.

JorisE73 said: