databank said:

Genesia said:

Come has always been in my top tier.

And, yes - "Space" is everything.

And the universal love remix, tho!

TrivialPursuit said:

IstenSzek said:

earlier tonight (i was sitting on the toilet with a bit of time on my hands) i suddenly thought
"i should really do a search in my 'live' folder and compile a little playlist of all the early live
performances of 'come' (the title track) since those were pretty amazing".

so i'm going to do that in the coming week.

which will no doubt lead me back to listening to the whole album and it's single mixes again.

never really understood the negativity toward this album, it's just the twin release to "gold".
almost all these tracks were recorded during the same period and changed between album
configurations several times before ending up where they did.

yet because 'come' was labeled "contractual obligation" it gets a bad rep, as if prince didn't
care for it at all (if he didn't care for it at all and just threw left overs together, then why is
there, for example, a test pressing with a different tracklist?).

anyway, i'm digressing, as usual just wanted to say, great album, just a bit miffed, still,
that he didn't put the electronic or the early (sticksnstonesnbugmyphones) version of the
title track on the album. the opening song is a bit too long and drags toward the end so you
kind of lose a bit of interest right at the start when it should open with a bang. and it also
closes of on a weird, half assed note with 'orgasm'. if it would open with the early "come"
and close with something else, perhaps "lovesign", to leave the album on a positive note
after all that darkness, it might feel much more like a solid album and would be rated much
higher by people, even those who consider it contractual filler.

but it is what it is and i love it just as well for that.

[Edited 6/17/18 12:50pm]

TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

Come has always been in my top tier.

And, yes - "Space" is everything.

And the universal love remix, tho!

With every stroke of my buh-rush...

That's right, baby. You stroke it all you want.

NorthC said:

databank said:

I don't see the point in sabotaging a thread like that, it's a kind of trolling. Going on a Prince board, of all places, and calling Come "muzak" or, as happened recently from another orger in another thread, Exodus "shit", is so unreasonable and exaggerated that it calls for flaming.

And if indeed it truly reflects the posters' true feeling, I agree with you Purplerabbithole that just because one CAN speak nonsense doesn't mean they SHOULD.

There are certainly many other ways to come-up with constructive criticism and a developped reasoning if one wishes to express their disapproval of a work of art.

Oh yes, if you CAN say something and you WANT to say something and you're not breaking any laws, then yes, you SHOULD say whatever you want to say. And if you think it's nonsense, then that's alright too. That's why I have this signature. [Edited 6/18/18 14:03pm]

I agree with your signature, however I also believe in that Asimov quote some other orger (forgot who) has as a signature: “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

In other words, we all speak and write nonsense everyone in a while, and to some extent I'm pretty sure we all end-up trolling conversations and not only online but also IRL, which is what we do a lot with our political hooliganism for example. I've done it too, and I'm as guilty as anyone else for doing it.

But I believe we should aim to contribute positively to debates, and try to restrain ourselves from overusing our freedom of speech.

Because, no, freedom of speech does not mean that ignorance = knowledge, nor that intellectual laziness and hooliganism = debate.

And I believe one should use one's freedom of speech to tell those who misuse it to stop misusing it.

Not that your post was such a big deal, it's just that I fail to see what it achieved in the greater picture, beyond you expressing your feelings. But admitedly it's not the worst thing ever said on this board, I'll give you that

[Edited 6/18/18 16:17pm]

I just wish the song Come was shorter. It drags imho.

Original Come album configuration was so much better. In addition, the electronic version of the title track crushes the album verson (which drags and is ruined by the pathetic slurping). That being said... an album with some good tracks. Could have been a much better release though.

I did a remix version of this album called Come Again. I added new ocean sounds (cutting out the Poem elements), updated the cover, and the whole thing actually runs 4 seconds under the original. It's a fun listen.

1. Come (alternate version #1 mixed with album version)
2. Space (Universal Love Radio mix w/o rap)
3. Pheromone (album version)
4. Loose! (from Versace & Other Experiences mixed with elements from the album version)
5. Papa (album version)
6. Race (from Versace & Other Experiences)
7. Dark (from Crystal Ball)
8. Solo (album version)
9. Letitgo (Caviar Radio Edit)
10. Orgasm (altered with new ocean segue)

rdhull said:

I just wish the song Come was shorter. It drags imho.

Yes. Prefer any of the shorter versions. And when he makes his cunnilingus noises, it's time to skip. That aint sexy!

Marrk said:

rdhull said:

I just wish the song Come was shorter. It drags imho.

Yes. Prefer any of the shorter versions. And when he makes his cunnilingus noises, it's time to skip. That aint sexy!

IIRC Michael B Nelson was on here and said he couldn't believe it when he heard the finished album and P had put those licking n slurping noises on top of their horns!

.

No doubt we could have done without those noises and Orgasm. I'll never forget blasting my new Come CD in my bedroom and I nipped downstairs to ask my mother something and Orgasm started. I couldn't get back upstairs quick enough to hit stop. My mother and sisters took great enjoyment in my embarrassment

TrivialPursuit said:

jdcxc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I did a remix version of this album called Come Again. I added new ocean sounds (cutting out the Poem elements), updated the cover, and the whole thing actually runs 4 seconds under the original. It's a fun listen.

1. Come (alternate version #1 mixed with album version)
2. Space (Universal Love Radio mix w/o rap)
3. Pheromone (album version)
4. Loose! (from Versace & Other Experiences mixed with elements from the album version)
5. Papa (album version)
6. Race (from Versace & Other Experiences)
7. Dark (from Crystal Ball)
8. Solo (album version)
9. Letitgo (Caviar Radio Edit)
10. Orgasm (altered with new ocean segue)

The Crystal Ball version of Dark is drastically inferior to the Come version.

many people seem to think the crystal ball version is somehow a huge improvement
over the album version. even prince seemed to think so, iirc. perhaps it was written
in the crystal ball liner notes that he did?

anyhow, i agree with you though, in thinking the album version is the superior take.
it's so intens and it feels so emotional. the 'remix' on crystal ball loses a lot of that
real feeling imo.

i'll go listen to it again since i haven't listened to the CB version in perhaps 5 years
or longer. who knows, i might change my mind. although i doubt it. i just want to
go listen to the come album version now

Marrk said:

rdhull said:

I just wish the song Come was shorter. It drags imho.

Yes. Prefer any of the shorter versions. And when he makes his cunnilingus noises, it's time to skip. That aint sexy!

You're just saying that because you can't feel it.

Marrk said:

rdhull said:

I just wish the song Come was shorter. It drags imho.

Yes. Prefer any of the shorter versions. And when he makes his cunnilingus noises, it's time to skip. That aint sexy!

You're just saying that because you can't feel it.

databank said:

Genesia said:

Marrk said:

Yes. Prefer any of the shorter versions. And when he makes his cunnilingus noises, it's time to skip. That aint sexy!

You're just saying that because you can't feel it.

I played the whole 'Come' perhaps 5 times, at most. I love Letitgo, and Dark and Space are very strong. But things like Orgasm and Solo are totally destroying the record as a whole. It's worse than the use of segues even. The other songs are so-so to me. I much prefer Chaos & Disorder actually.

There was so much song overlap between Come/Gold/Glam Slam Ulysses, that once the songs actually came out, Come seemed to have a lot of the weaker stuff It served its purpose to help fulfill his contract, but there was not a lot of love or promotion behind it.

The Gold Experience got all the love, even though it took longer to come out than Prince wanted. He wanted them to come out at the same time.

I also remember hearing Love Sign on the radio, late summer 1994. When the Come album was announced, I assumed Love Sign would be on there. I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't on there.

Se7en said:

jdcxc said:

Se7en said:

There was so much song overlap between Come/Gold/Glam Slam Ulysses, that once the songs actually came out, Come seemed to have a lot of the weaker stuff It served its purpose to help fulfill his contract, but there was not a lot of love or promotion behind it.

The Gold Experience got all the love, even though it took longer to come out than Prince wanted. He wanted them to come out at the same time.

I also remember hearing Love Sign on the radio, late summer 1994. When the Come album was announced, I assumed Love Sign would be on there. I was a bit disappointed that it wasn't on there.

In analyzing the music, why do fans care about the promotion or lack there of? Two separate issues imho. The promotion of SOTT sucked and it is one of the greatest albums ever made.

i think it's a way for people to try and make out how much prince was invested in certain songs
or how much he cared about an album. if there were many clips and tv appearances and prince
heavily toured an album, it was some measure of how much he believed in and cared about the
project.

which goes some way toward the belief in many fans that prince's later work is shit and that he
didn't really care for it himself either.

i don't believe that, but i can see how some people might.

case in point is TRC, which seems to divide the fanbase down the middle. but if he hadn't done
such an absolutely brilliant tour off the back of it, i think it would be hated even more. despite
it being a phenomenal album in it's own right, with or without the tour connection.

I love Come! Great album!

IstenSzek said:

Empress said:

I love Come! Great album!

Things That Could Be Two Separate Subjects, or Not

For $400, Alex.

I like Come overall. I am not a fan of the Orgasm song (if you can call it that). Dark, Letitgo, Come are the highlights in my opinion.

Dark(the brother song to Adore in my opinion): Inside looking out my window, I don't see nothing but rain...(perfect horns)...sun up in the sky just a shining...(heavy voices)...just a shining...still I'm lost in the shadow of pain.

You absolutely drove a man to tears...and all I really know...is that u were sincere..

Love that shit.

Papa: (Psychedelic guitar)Everybody's crazy, deep down we're going insane. Every single one of us...knows some kinda pain. In the middle of going crazy, one thing still remains. If you love somebody, let them be sane. And there's always a rainbow...(guitar)...at the end of every rain.

Love that shit.

Universal Love Remix of Space? Love that shit. Letitgo(Sherm Stick + Various other mixes)? Love those.

All in all...a fun period of Prince music.

jdcxc said:

IstenSzek said:

i think it's a way for people to try and make out how much prince was invested in certain songs
or how much he cared about an album. if there were many clips and tv appearances and prince
heavily toured an album, it was some measure of how much he believed in and cared about the
project.

which goes some way toward the belief in many fans that prince's later work is shit and that he
didn't really care for it himself either.

i don't believe that, but i can see how some people might.

case in point is TRC, which seems to divide the fanbase down the middle. but if he hadn't done
such an absolutely brilliant tour off the back of it, i think it would be hated even more. despite
it being a phenomenal album in it's own right, with or without the tour connection.

I don’t think you can evaluate Prince’s music along those terms. He was too complex, mercurial and always moving. Hell, he didn’t even tour SOTT in the US and was somewhat dismissive of the utter brilliance of Parade because of the stench of Under the Cherry Moon. He also wasn’t the best editor of his own post-1988 music. Prince’s 40 year history is littered with buried classics, little heard gems, brilliant B-sides and mind blowing after hour concerts that were better than the main show. Musically, Dark and Space are moments of sheer genuis that only a handful of people have heard.

oh i agree with you, it's just that it seems some people seem to think an albu is somehow
better if it had a lot of promotion and a tour.

look at 'musicology'. i don't think it's as good as most of his 90s albums yet people have
been raving about how musicology is a 'return to form' and 'the best prince album since
the early 90s'.

jdcxc said: