Another thing that has been bugging me; what's the story on that empty syringe package that was found in/near the garbage dumpster??

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Also, I've looked at the pictures several times and I'm trying to figure out where the elevator is in relation to Prince's bedroom. I see his living quarters (Green Room) is adjacent to the stairs, but I'm not sure where the elevator is??

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And, what is the story on the "blood stain" that was collected??

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cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

When I read that text, I was under the assumption that Kirk had seen the doctor for himself also, because he said something to the effect of "am I supposed to take all 3 of these". I believe that Kirk also went a CVS pharmacy before he went Walgreens. The Walgreens trip was for Prince. Of course after reading dozens of pages of transcripts, I could have my info confused on what happened when.

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Where was Prince when Kirk walked into Walgreens? They show pictures of Prince walking in the parking lot.

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Also, Theo said that was not like Prince at all to run his own errands -- he other people doing that for him.

Yes, Prince was in the parking lot when Kirk picked up Prince's meds. I was under the impression that they went to Walgreens after the Dr. appointment, which makes sense.

cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

I sure hope so. I think the investigators need to find out who that doctor is that Prince used to see, but no one remembered his/her name. Hopefully someone called back with the name. I think that they need to also look into that chiropractor who would come out to Paisley Park. Eventhough chiropractors can't prescribe meds, maybe a crocked one would sell meds they got off of the internet or some other black market avenue. I believe that Prince saw that chiropractor a week or two before he died.

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A crooked Chiropractor. LOL

The pun was not intended.

cloveringold85 said:

OperatingThetan said:

Musze said: CBD oil at suitable strength has helped many patients stop taking opioids and many brands (at least those legal in the UK) have the psychoactive elements removed, so there's no 'high' or risk of dependency. It's an oil so there's no need to inhale. They also sell patches and tablets.

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I'm not sure that Cannabis would have helped Prince's pain. Also, wouldn't that make him sleepy and unproductive?

2 things:

1 - It's actually prescribed as a pain reliever and has MULTIPLE medicinal properties (if only our Government in the US would remove it as a Class 1 Drug and allow testing to FURTHER prove this... but that would cut into Big Pharma's profits...) I digress.

2 - There are 2 dominant strains (not including hybrids) - Indica and Sativa. One is more of a "downer" or relaxer, while the other one tends to provide more euphoric/energetic and even creative highs.

It is a wonderful, misunderstood and maligned plant.

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Where was Prince when Kirk walked into Walgreens? They show pictures of Prince walking in the parking lot.

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Also, Theo said that was not like Prince at all to run his own errands -- he other people doing that for him.

Yes, Prince was in the parking lot when Kirk picked up Prince's meds. I was under the impression that they went to Walgreens after the Dr. appointment, which makes sense.

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Just seems odd that Prince would be walking around outside. I know he was complaining about feeling agitated.

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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A crooked Chiropractor. LOL

The pun was not intended.

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I thought it was cute!

Musze said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not sure that Cannabis would have helped Prince's pain. Also, wouldn't that make him sleepy and unproductive?

2 things:

1 - It's actually prescribed as a pain reliever and has MULTIPLE medicinal properties (if only our Government in the US would remove it as a Class 1 Drug and allow testing to FURTHER prove this... but that would cut into Big Pharma's profits...) I digress.

2 - There are 2 dominant strains (not including hybrids) - Indica and Sativa. One is more of a "downer" or relaxer, while the other one tends to provide more euphoric/energetic and even creative highs.

It is a wonderful, misunderstood and maligned plant.

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Thanks for clarifying!

Musze said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not sure that Cannabis would have helped Prince's pain. Also, wouldn't that make him sleepy and unproductive?

2 things:

1 - It's actually prescribed as a pain reliever and has MULTIPLE medicinal properties (if only our Government in the US would remove it as a Class 1 Drug and allow testing to FURTHER prove this... but that would cut into Big Pharma's profits...) I digress.

2 - There are 2 dominant strains (not including hybrids) - Indica and Sativa. One is more of a "downer" or relaxer, while the other one tends to provide more euphoric/energetic and even creative highs.

It is a wonderful, misunderstood and maligned plant.

it's also a major gateway drug.

PeteSilas said:

Musze said:

2 things:

1 - It's actually prescribed as a pain reliever and has MULTIPLE medicinal properties (if only our Government in the US would remove it as a Class 1 Drug and allow testing to FURTHER prove this... but that would cut into Big Pharma's profits...) I digress.

2 - There are 2 dominant strains (not including hybrids) - Indica and Sativa. One is more of a "downer" or relaxer, while the other one tends to provide more euphoric/energetic and even creative highs.

It is a wonderful, misunderstood and maligned plant.

it's also a major gateway drug.

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

cloveringold85 said:

I may have missed this but in the 6 page Miscellaneous Documents (zip 5) looks like Kurt was doctor shopping. Minnesota RX history report shows on 4/14/2016 Kirk filled 2 prescriptions from 2 doctors (Schulenberg and Boo (dentist) at 2 different Walgreens. 15 Oxycodone with Acetaminophen and 10 acetaminophen with Codeine. Maybe that is what Prince meant about mixing the 2 gave him the problems?

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

..been waiting for someone to connect those dots, and post it. thank you

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Has it been proven that Cobain committed suicide?

That's the "official" determination. Conspiracy theorists swear he was killed. That's another story

MMJas said:

Yup. And when the real money starts to run out, that's when the mud-slinging books will be written.

PennyPurple said:

All of the above!

Musze said:

PeteSilas said:

it's also a major gateway drug.

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

CO SIgn...

not to mention Marijuan is non addictive..

you can stop using it without any withdrawal symptoms at all...

Unlike Coffee, cigarettes or even SUGAR

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Has it been proven that Cobain committed suicide?

That's the "official" determination. Conspiracy theorists swear he was killed. That's another story

any of the stars have wierd factions of fans and those wierdos usually are the ones who come up with wierd shit. I don't think courtney killed him but a lot of people actually do believe she had him killed and even casual fans have said to me "it's not to hard to make a junkie look like he killed himself." but homeboy left a not and everything, i was never a fan so it really didn't hit home with me but i am a seattleite.

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Has it been proven that Cobain committed suicide?

That's the "official" determination. Conspiracy theorists swear he was killed. That's another story

Stick to the topic please. Do not derail the thread. Thanks

purplemist7777 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Just seems odd that Prince would be walking around outside. I know he was complaining about feeling agitated.

I may have missed this but in the 6 page Miscellaneous Documents (zip 5) looks like Kurt was doctor shopping. Minnesota RX history report shows on 4/14/2016 Kirk filled 2 prescriptions from 2 doctors (Schulenberg and Boo (dentist) at 2 different Walgreens. 15 Oxycodone with Acetaminophen and 10 acetaminophen with Codeine. Maybe that is what Prince meant about mixing the 2 gave him the problems?

He was talking about the Percocot and whatever was in the bayer Bottle

Musze said:

PeteSilas said:

it's also a major gateway drug.

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

alcohol is worse, but i've had folks who've moved on to other things, one is hooked on ICE whatever that is and he told me this. It's disgusting, i lost one of my best friends to his own shame over it, he thought i was judging him, he got paranoid of everyone, got lazy, lost work (blamed it on me) so i don't want to hear the near religious fervor of you potheads.

PeteSilas said:

Musze said:

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

alcohol is worse, but i've had folks who've moved on to other things, one is hooked on ICE whatever that is and he told me this. It's disgusting, i lost one of my best friends to his own shame over it, he thought i was judging him, he got paranoid of everyone, got lazy, lost work (blamed it on me) so i don't want to hear the near religious fervor of you potheads.

Before engaging with you any further, I did a quick glance at some of your recent posts. By your own admission you came here to stir the pot (no pun intended) and you go on threads, derail them and even shared on another thread how You felt Bill Cosby was TAKEN to trial unjustly/illegally and have also made racist comments. I've seen enough to decide You're not worth engaging with any further.

I'm just going to ignore you. Good riddance.

Mods - my apologies if I contributed in any manner to distracting from the topic at hand.

PeteSilas said:

Musze said:

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

alcohol is worse, but i've had folks who've moved on to other things, one is hooked on ICE whatever that is and he told me this. It's disgusting, i lost one of my best friends to his own shame over it, he thought i was judging him, he got paranoid of everyone, got lazy, lost work (blamed it on me) so i don't want to hear the near religious fervor of you potheads.

I agree with you when it comes to the almost religious fervor of cannabis enthusiasts (pothead sounds so negative ) and I know many people who became paranoid, developed longterm psychosis and became lazy because their cannabis consumption went out of control but I could name even more people who have no problems with cannabis at all. I think it also depends on your personality.

If you are prone to drugs, then you can have a problem with coffee, sugar, alcohol and cigarettes, too. It CAN be a gateway drug, yes, but I think the risk of it being a gateway drug is much higher when it stays illegal. Because as long as it is illegal people have to go to shady drug dealers to get their weed, and those shady dealers either lace it with other stuff or they sell other drugs, too, and it´s much easier to get access to hard drugs if you have to get your soft drugs from a street dealer.

Remember your hero Bruce Lee used cannabis, too.

it Killed Bruce, i've gotten more unwanted arguements from potheads than when I've said that. I only repeated what two doctors who treated him previously, saving his life, had said. anyway, Pot is legal in seattle, some people are stupid enough to say "it ain't no fun anymore not that it's legal" that just sounds so stupid and tells you about what kind of people you're dealing with. I think Chong from cheech and chong recently said those kinds of things. I think they should make em all legal, sure, why not, I don't care, just stay away from me. When i did security at a store, food wasn't what people stole most of the time, usually it was alcohol and cigarrettes, so then the stores will have to deal with losers who can't work because nobody wants to hire them and come to steal from stores for their habits. It's happened in seattle with hard liquor being legal to sell in grocery stores whereas before it was only liquor stores. shoplifting problems multiply ten fold. why people can't just deal with life, pain, fatigue, stress without that shit is beyond me. I take prescriptions sometimes but only for good reasons and i stop them if i think they are addictive. I was taking a pill for weight loss, it worked great, no hunger pangs but I felt too good after taking it so i stopped and gained the weight back. I'm thinking I'm better off just facing the hunger pangs and just losing weight. Food is a bigger addiction than drugs in this country. when are we going to face facts and ask ourselves why, in this supposedly developed country, why do we need all this shit?

KoolEaze said:

PeteSilas said:

alcohol is worse, but i've had folks who've moved on to other things, one is hooked on ICE whatever that is and he told me this. It's disgusting, i lost one of my best friends to his own shame over it, he thought i was judging him, he got paranoid of everyone, got lazy, lost work (blamed it on me) so i don't want to hear the near religious fervor of you potheads.

I agree with you when it comes to the almost religious fervor of cannabis enthusiasts (pothead sounds so negative ) and I know many people who became paranoid, developed longterm psychosis and became lazy because their cannabis consumption went out of control but I could name even more people who have no problems with cannabis at all. I think it also depends on your personality.

If you are prone to drugs, then you can have a problem with coffee, sugar, alcohol and cigarettes, too. It CAN be a gateway drug, yes, but I think the risk of it being a gateway drug is much higher when it stays illegal. Because as long as it is illegal people have to go to shady drug dealers to get their weed, and those shady dealers either lace it with other stuff or they sell other drugs, too, and it´s much easier to get access to hard drugs if you have to get your soft drugs from a street dealer.

Remember your hero Bruce Lee used cannabis, too.

me? stir a pot? you pothead, go smoke, (which is what i should have told my pothead friend when he went crazy on me one day, to tell the truth I think he might have moved on to harder stuff but I don't know, fuck him).

Musze said:

PeteSilas said:

alcohol is worse, but i've had folks who've moved on to other things, one is hooked on ICE whatever that is and he told me this. It's disgusting, i lost one of my best friends to his own shame over it, he thought i was judging him, he got paranoid of everyone, got lazy, lost work (blamed it on me) so i don't want to hear the near religious fervor of you potheads.

Before engaging with you any further, I did a quick glance at some of your recent posts. By your own admission you came here to stir the pot (no pun intended) and you go on threads, derail them and even shared on another thread how You felt Bill Cosby was TAKEN to trial unjustly/illegally and have also made racist comments. I've seen enough to decide You're not worth engaging with any further.

I'm just going to ignore you. Good riddance.

Mods - my apologies if I contributed in any manner to distracting from the topic at hand.

I answered a question with an official statement...WITHOUT rambling on about the conspiracy theories of K&Cas another poster did prior to my answer. Not quite sure how legitimately answering someones question constitutes derailing the thread. Must’ve hit a nerve. ;)

luv4u said:

Warning ⚠️ Bruce Lee, pot, Ali, Kennedy,etc...may be deemed “off topic” and considered derailing the thread. Any mention of Kurt Cobain certainly is...JS

PeteSilas said:

SNIP - OF4$

precioux said:

Warning ⚠️ Bruce Lee, pot, Ali, Kennedy,etc...may be deemed “off topic” and considered derailing the thread. Any mention of Kurt Cobain certainly is...JS PeteSilas said:

it Killed Bruce, i've gotten more unwanted arguements from potheads than when I've said that. I only repeated what two doctors who treated him previously, saving his life, had said. anyway, Pot is legal in seattle, some people are stupid enough to say "it ain't no fun anymore not that it's legal" that just sounds so stupid and tells you about what kind of people you're dealing with. I think Chong from cheech and chong recently said those kinds of things. I think they should make em all legal, sure, why not, I don't care, just stay away from me. When i did security at a store, food wasn't what people stole most of the time, usually it was alcohol and cigarrettes, so then the stores will have to deal with losers who can't work because nobody wants to hire them and come to steal from stores for their habits. It's happened in seattle with hard liquor being legal to sell in grocery stores whereas before it was only liquor stores. shoplifting problems multiply ten fold. why people can't just deal with life, pain, fatigue, stress without that shit is beyond me. I take prescriptions sometimes but only for good reasons and i stop them if i think they are addictive. I was taking a pill for weight loss, it worked great, no hunger pangs but I felt too good after taking it so i stopped and gained the weight back. I'm thinking I'm better off just facing the hunger pangs and just losing weight. Food is a bigger addiction than drugs in this country. when are we going to face facts and ask ourselves why, in this supposedly developed country, why do we need all this shit?

Lovejunky said:

purplemist7777 said:

cloveringold85 said: I may have missed this but in the 6 page Miscellaneous Documents (zip 5) looks like Kurt was doctor shopping. Minnesota RX history report shows on 4/14/2016 Kirk filled 2 prescriptions from 2 doctors (Schulenberg and Boo (dentist) at 2 different Walgreens. 15 Oxycodone with Acetaminophen and 10 acetaminophen with Codeine. Maybe that is what Prince meant about mixing the 2 gave him the problems?

He was talking about the Percocot and whatever was in the bayer Bottle

These are really good points. Prince kept mentioning Tylenol and I didn't realize that Percocet is a type of "Tylenol" or acetaminophen. They (Fentanyl & Percocet) should not be taken together and can have adverse affects

https://www.drugs.com/dru...-1135.html

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PeteSilas said:

That's debateable, but CBD oil is not because all the psychoactive elements are removed, leaving only the medicinal properties. This version of cannabis oil is now legal in the UK and is being used to replace opioids for those in pain.

It also has benefits for sufferers of Parkinsons, MS and other ailments.

You are constantly derailing threads with your nonsense about Ali, Kennedy Bruce Lee ad nauseum...you’ve been reported

PeteSilas said:

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petalthecat said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Good points!

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The fact that Prince did not get into trouble until 2-weeks before he passed, tells us that he may have had a new dealer/source to get the pills. When he overdosed in Moline, he probably had no idea the pills were laced with Fentanyl, and so he took another on the 20th. He was blaming the 2 Narcan shots for his symptoms, and not the pills.

It does seem he did have a few close shaves that were covered up though. Didn't Kirk say in the hospital in Moline " We can't keep doing this"

[Edited 5/1/18 16:52pm] The last sentence is mine. No idea why it does that

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Again very good points. If the pills in the Bayer bottle contained Fentanyl and Prince took that along with the pills Kirk got from the Doctors on the 14th which were Acetaminophen thats why he had the problem on the plane. And again on the 21st if he used the same combinations

no his fatal od was due to fentanyl toxicity; he had more than enough fentanyl in him to kill him regardless of any other drugs in his body. And on the plane there's no evidence that it was a drug combo issue; he was revived by Narcan which is an opioid antidote.

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Combining aceteminaphen and opioids isn't inherently dangerous; that combo is what's in percocet and similar pills.

WeDaBest said:

petalthecat said:

[Edited 5/1/18 16:52pm] The last sentence is mine. No idea why it does that

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Again very good points. If the pills in the Bayer bottle contained Fentanyl and Prince took that along with the pills Kirk got from the Doctors on the 14th which were Acetaminophen thats why he had the problem on the plane. And again on the 21st if he used the same combinations