PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

when i hear about the healthy shit he did it just reminds me of my sister the alcoholic who would drink till her liver barely functioned and then drink cranberry juice as if they would somehow fix the damage. I think addicts probably do that kind of thing commonly.

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

If he was anemic, he needed iron in some kind of way.

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

1. Cancer

2. Aids

3. Dementia

4. Junkie/Pain

5. Murder

6. i'm forgettting something.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know about you guys, but the suicide angle, even if it's in the form of "risky behavior" is still a live possibility. "risky behavior" can be driving through red lights (as he's been known to do) or driving crazy, subconsciously trying to kill yourself. Men often have a hard time with the wimpy (in american ideation) idea of suicide so guys do things like drugs, getting killed coming at the cops with a butter knife because they don't want to live. Prince wasn't no dummy, if he really wanted to live, he would have gotten rid of everything after the od, everything, no matter what he was saying to other people. some poeple are good at lying to themselves, prince, in all my years of studying him, has never seemed like that, never. I remember my stepdad having a few drinks at a party and admitting that he wasn't driving normally, that's the kind of guy i always thought prince would be like, just really self aware. I'm not talking what he said to others, i'm talking what he said to himself here.

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Prince did not commit suicide. Did you read the investigation reports?

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You are using you life experiences to rationalize what was going on inside Prince's head. None of us knew him on a personal level.

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Risky behavior does not always equate to suicide.

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Lots of people live a high-risk lifestyle, but they don't want to kill themselves.

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I think you read way too much into things, imo.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

when i hear about the healthy shit he did it just reminds me of my sister the alcoholic who would drink till her liver barely functioned and then drink cranberry juice as if they would somehow fix the damage. I think addicts probably do that kind of thing commonly.

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

ya wierd, i knew a heroin junkie who wouldn't eat meat, I asked how it squared up with his habits, he said "it isn't for health reasons" he died of cancer a couple years ago, i never found out if he kicked the habit or not. my first assumption was od.

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

If he was anemic, he needed iron in some kind of way.

all he really had to do is take a multivitamin more than likely.

PeteSilas said:

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

1. Cancer

2. Aids

3. Dementia

4. Junkie/Pain

5. Murder

6. i'm forgettting something.

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince did not commit suicide. Did you read the investigation reports?

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You are using you life experiences to rationalize what was going on inside Prince's head. None of us knew him on a personal level.

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Risky behavior does not always equate to suicide.

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Lots of people live a high-risk lifestyle, but they don't want to kill themselves.

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I think you read way too much into things, imo.

Pete

shednz said:

PeteSilas said:

poppys said:

If he was anemic, he needed iron in some kind of way.

all he really had to do is take a multivitamin more than likely.

By the sound of it, he had lot's of vitamins.

poppys said:

shednz said:

hmmm, tried that and the search forums function on the home page. No luck. Does it work for others?

Try prizefight . I thought something didn't look right.

worked for Pete, like i say, i'm on the case fuckers.

To be honest after 2 years personally I’m getting a bit tired and annoyed to read about the investigation and the possible conspiracies

For me the information we got last week that there will be no murder charges and the published detailed documents and photo’s ultimately gave me some closure and it makes it possible for me to look forward and move on.

It is something I did not expect at all, but it happened. I now want to focus mainly on the talent and music of Prince instead of reading negative news about his drugs use and conspiracies about his death and reasons why he died.

His music is what he would like to be remembered about. We are not getting him back unfortunately, which is sad and still very, very hard to cope with.But his spirit is still there in his music to give us energy and joy.

I respect every ones opinion and where they are right now, but I wanted to share how I feel at the moment.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ksl1974 said:

Larry Graham was the beginning of the end for Prince. It was all a domino effect after that. Granted, Larry didn't cause Prince's hip pain, etc. But he sure as hell didn't help him to go about the right way to treat it. God forbid someone do the right thing ....course then their gravy train (Prince) would have cut them off. I have no doubt Kirk was involved in getting him these counterfit pills. But I also 100% believe he (Kirk) didn't KNOW they were counterfit. Still no excuse. But nothing about this was malicious I don't think. Other than greed....and negligence.

YES, condoned Prince's leaving a marriage to the grieving mother of his child, gave a JW thumbs up to Prince's adultery with his second wife...put a religious/acceptable gloss on these disturbing behaviors up and to including the BURNING of Mayte's possessions and perhaps the ashes of Amiir...I mean..how evil and hypocritical can one freeloader get? and WHY didn't any right-thinking, moral, sensitive person in the inner circle call Bullshit on it all AND point out that that divorce and remarriage had very little to do with living an upstanding Christian life...Wasn't there ONE decent person around him with their head screwed on straight?

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Larry is one creepy and shady dude. Did you see the pics of the "Watchtower" agreement papers they found at PP? I can't believe Prince got messed up in that cult. Seems as though Prince was not much into the JW anymore in last few years of his life. Larry did nothing to help him--he lied and covered it all up. Just another leech. He's so phony!!

lion88 said:

To be honest after 2 years personally I’m getting a bit tired and annoyed to read about the investigation and the possible conspiracies

For me the information we got last week that there will be no murder charges and the published detailed documents and photo’s ultimately gave me some closure and it makes it possible for me to look forward and move on.

It is something I did not expect at all, but it happened. I now want to focus mainly on the talent and music of Prince instead of reading negative news about his drugs use and conspiracies about his death and reasons why he died.

His music is what he would like to be remembered about. We are not getting him back unfortunately, which is sad and still very, very hard to cope with.But his spirit is still there in his music to give us energy and joy.

I respect every ones opinion and where they are right now, but I wanted to share how I feel at the moment.

i hear you but with guys that famous, it's never over. Kennedy's case will never be satisfactorily answered even though the warren report seems to be the most credible to me. Elvis' ex-wife came out a couple weeks ago and lied about Elvis committing suicide. Bruce Lee had doctors come out in the 90's and state they had treated him for the same thing that killed him a couple mos later and it was their opinion that he ate nepalese hashish and had an allergic reaction....

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

YES, condoned Prince's leaving a marriage to the grieving mother of his child, gave a JW thumbs up to Prince's adultery with his second wife...put a religious/acceptable gloss on these disturbing behaviors up and to including the BURNING of Mayte's possessions and perhaps the ashes of Amiir...I mean..how evil and hypocritical can one freeloader get? and WHY didn't any right-thinking, moral, sensitive person in the inner circle call Bullshit on it all AND point out that that divorce and remarriage had very little to do with living an upstanding Christian life...Wasn't there ONE decent person around him with their head screwed on straight?

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Larry is one creepy and shady dude. Did you see the pics of the "Watchtower" agreement papers they found at PP? I can't believe Prince got messed up in that cult. Seems as though Prince was not much into the JW anymore in last few years of his life. Larry did nothing to help him--he lied and covered it all up. Just another leech. He's so phony!!

he wasn't, like the true champion he was, he broke free. Muhammad Ali got wrapped up with a cult too, hard to believe a guy that strong could be taken over by weak fucks but it happens.

shednz said:

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Larry is one creepy and shady dude. Did you see the pics of the "Watchtower" agreement papers they found at PP? I can't believe Prince got messed up in that cult. Seems as though Prince was not much into the JW anymore in last few years of his life. Larry did nothing to help him--he lied and covered it all up. Just another leech. He's so phony!!

he wasn't, like the true champion he was, he broke free. Muhammad Ali got wrapped up with a cult too, hard to believe a guy that strong could be taken over by weak fucks but it happens.

Yes indeed, it does.

you mean the tests from after his death? Because he took fentanyl and then died pretty much right after that

bondno9 said:

shednz said:

Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

If it doesn’t stay long then why did tox screen from 4/21 show itin his blood?

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PeteSilas said:

i'm not laughing baby.

cloveringold85 said:

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A lot of people here have been following Prince's death investigation very closely, so I'm not sure why you feel it's wrong for people to want to say "thanks" for their hard work and efforts?

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Most of us are here, because we care and it comes from a place of love.

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What I get annoyed with is those of you who come in here and want all the information served to you on a silver platter, and then interject your comments without even knowing what's going on in the case or taking the time to review the documents?

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And then, those same people come in here and criticize others. Whatever.

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It's quite funny, actually.

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Just a select few here that don't want to admit that some of us here were right all along. Must be an ego thing or people who are trying to save face now.

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Funny, as in the odd behaviors of some orgers.

bondno9 said:

shednz said:

Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

If it doesn’t stay long then why did tox screen from 4/21 show itin his blood?

because they wanted to see what they could find. He wouldn't tell them shit would he. can't blame the man, i'm an indian and I have a real hard time trusting white people period especially authority figures. that's something that we blacks/indians have to look at.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm not laughing baby.

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Just a select few here that don't want to admit that some of us here were right all along. Must be an ego thing or people who are trying to save face now.

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Funny, as in the odd behaviors of some orgers.

no, i said i was open all along, i'm still here, i've said it's possible he was a junkie all along, i've been consistent as have you, i just was waiting, and I think it'll all come back around. I still thought the blind gossip thing was coincidental, but.., like i said, rumours can get started and someone in his inner circle probably thought he had aids, and then the crazy religious shit, well.., that sounds like the man.

poppys said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Poppy: I'm so very sorry for your loss. No parent should ever go through the loss of a child.

Thank you. I am P's age so it was a while ago, but life changing nonetheless.

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Extra hugs!!

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

Heck he might as well enjoyed life and ate a steak.

If he was anemic, he needed iron in some kind of way.

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Prince wouldn't want me as a friend, because I would be on his arse! Eat a damn hamburger already!!

cloveringold85 said:

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Just a select few here that don't want to admit that some of us here were right all along. Must be an ego thing or people who are trying to save face now.

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Funny, as in the odd behaviors of some orgers.

They are deflecting and trying to change the course of the topic of conversation.

does anyone else find it creepy that Mani came right to Paisley Park when she heard that Prince had passed? remember, this is the person who has made not so nice comments about him since their divorce.

exactly how long did it take her to travel there? did Prince ever change the locks after she was ejected from his life? maybe it's just me but i find her continued presence and commentary about inside knowledge disturbing. she stands to benefit from his demise, and immediately took steps to file for the trademark mere days after his passing. pure speculation on my part, but still...

cloveringold85 said:

poppys said:

If he was anemic, he needed iron in some kind of way.

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Prince wouldn't want me as a friend, because I would be on his arse! Eat a damn hamburger already!!

honestly, anemia is minor, all he needed was iron tablets, i've had it before.

PeteSilas said:

lion88 said:

To be honest after 2 years personally I’m getting a bit tired and annoyed to read about the investigation and the possible conspiracies

For me the information we got last week that there will be no murder charges and the published detailed documents and photo’s ultimately gave me some closure and it makes it possible for me to look forward and move on.

It is something I did not expect at all, but it happened. I now want to focus mainly on the talent and music of Prince instead of reading negative news about his drugs use and conspiracies about his death and reasons why he died.

His music is what he would like to be remembered about. We are not getting him back unfortunately, which is sad and still very, very hard to cope with.But his spirit is still there in his music to give us energy and joy.

I respect every ones opinion and where they are right now, but I wanted to share how I feel at the moment.

i hear you but with guys that famous, it's never over. Kennedy's case will never be satisfactorily answered even though the warren report seems to be the most credible to me. Elvis' ex-wife came out a couple weeks ago and lied about Elvis committing suicide. Bruce Lee had doctors come out in the 90's and state they had treated him for the same thing that killed him a couple mos later and it was their opinion that he ate nepalese hashish and had an allergic reaction....

I agree with you. This is what I also expect, it will never be fully over and satisfactorily answered. The only thing that you can change personally is how it will affect you.

PeteSilas said:

shednz said:

It's so easy to hide pill use. Off to another room - bathroom - e.g. quick pill swallow. Little bit of wine to bring on the euphoria feeling. Not using so much he has an obvious need yet. Use turns to abuse turns to full blown addiction over a period of time. All the while slowly needing stronger stuff or more of it, at the same time the body starts getting less and less able to handle it. Also, you can't reconcile the no drug use in the 80s with the ecstacy we know he was playing with in the late 80s. And have you seen those close-up photos of him from early 80s (looks like Controversy clothes) where he is clearly and unashamedly wasted?

show me some photos, there was a thread recently about Prince being od'd on cocaine around the time of 1999/vanity breakup, many people remembered it, i never heard that one myself. at any rate, I can tell you my expereince, I am too fat, recently i took a prescribed pill to curb my appetite, it caused euphoria I liked it too much and told the doc I didn't want it. I gained back the 20 pounds I lost, but, i always thought prince would be like that, i guess i was wrong. Eddie Murphy once claimed his fascination with elvis was that he looked to be in total control and that he was totally out of control. Maybe it was like that for prince, it was certainly like that for Bruce Lee another of my heroes so I've seen it all. Strong people, all I can say is that that realm of fame is crushing. Prince did it longer than many of them.

Those photos were on here (or linked from here) somewhere. I found them back in 2016 when I was reading here after he passed. There was a person posting (I can't remember the name) who seemed very close to the whole thing and spoke about Prince feeling terrible guilt around Vanity and the drugs he and her were involved with. Wish I could find and reread these in light of the investigation files.

PeteSilas said:

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

1. Cancer

2. Aids

3. Dementia

4. Junkie/Pain

5. Murder

6. i'm forgettting something.

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince did not commit suicide. Did you read the investigation reports?

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You are using you life experiences to rationalize what was going on inside Prince's head. None of us knew him on a personal level.

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Risky behavior does not always equate to suicide.

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Lots of people live a high-risk lifestyle, but they don't want to kill themselves.

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I think you read way too much into things, imo.

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Judith paints a picture of Prince being depressed. Maybe he was just tired, runned down, sad and not feeling well? He was 57 years old -- not a young spring chicken! We all start to feel old age creeping up on us in our 50s!

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I think Prince was malnurished. He was too thin. The tests showed he was anemic.

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I have to eat protein to feel good; if I don't, then I feel like shit and tired. People say Prince ate well, but then some say he didn't.

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When the doctor in Moline asked Prince if he thought of hurting himself or did he have suicidal thoughts, he sharply replied; "NO! Absolutely not!!". I beleive him. I don't think he wanted to hurt himself or take his own life.

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I don't think he knew those Vidodin pills were laced with Fentanyl. Thus why he got concerned for his health and went to see Dr. Schulenberg -- that to me, showed that he wanted to get well.

XxAxX said:

does anyone else find it creepy that Mani came right to Paisley Park when she heard that Prince had passed? remember, this is the person who has made not so nice comments about him since their divorce.

exactly how long did it take her to travel there? did Prince ever change the locks after she was ejected from his life? maybe it's just me but i find her continued presence and commentary about inside knowledge disturbing. she stands to benefit from his demise, and immediately took steps to file for the trademark mere days after his passing. pure speculation on my part, but still...

As fast as she filed for the trademark, she must've done it in the air on the way to PP.

I don't know why she would think she was welcome.

poppys said:

PeteSilas said:

i've read a lot of it, judith think's it's 50/50, and rumors were that he was depressed, sounds that way. it's a possibility. you got remember all the possible things we heard:

1. Cancer

2. Aids

3. Dementia

4. Junkie/Pain

5. Murder

6. i'm forgettting something.

Pete

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I think Laura worked her magic on him, LOL

So P's gloves and coat were outside his office. I missed those photos.

Is the ipad the purple looking item on the desk with a chord on top in the yellow office?

I also saw the Tbird in the garage.

Did LE swap the glass in the studio with a straw in it?

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

all he really had to do is take a multivitamin more than likely.

By the sound of it, he had lot's of vitamins.

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They do make a Mens 50+ Multivitamin. You wouldn't think that Men can be anemic, but it happens.