PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Here's a question? Our 4 shadiest suspects are:

Kirky J

Meron

Phadera

Jill

Were they protecting themselves OR were they trying to protect Prince's privacy?

Kirky we know about him already + he allegedly shredded boxes of docs [WTAF!]

Meron - had a lot of cash on her [stolen?] + seemingly highly non-coperative when questioned

Phadera - according to Omar - took control - shredding docs, quickly putting togther the deals with the banks/ lawyers & accountants + paid off lots of 'suppliers' [i think the day after he passed?]

Jill - hmmmm!

Why - what is the deal here. Worst case = self protection & monetary gain OR best case = protecting Prince?

Suerly there has to be precedent to get them back in giving far more of a grilling?

Kirky J-was he shredding the will?(can't really see a reason for that-also, did those docs that were shredded tell of even more $ in Switzerland where Kirky went run hide, and pulled said $ from P's "hiding place " in Sitzerland?)

Meron-was that the cash she got from Prince and SHE was his dealer?

I'm surprised they didn't mention Londell or inteview him, being his lawyer. He surely could have enlightened them on the will situation?!

Also why didn't Mayte report to them the fact that she thought Prince had a will when they were married? (as she's said in an interview).

The police should have brought into questioning Kirk, Meron and Phaedra as soon as they heard reports of them shredding documents and tampering with evidence. Also, if they couldn't get hold of Prince's emails due to deletion then couldn't they get a warrant to search K,M and P's personal email accounts?

NOTE: I'm not necessarily saying they are guilty of foul play (however them all not giving full statements is rather odd) just that it was severly negligent of the investigation to not question them more thoroughly (bring them into the police station if need be) and follow things up in more depth.

[Edited 4/24/18 10:54am]

Has it been proven that files were deleted from his computer? From what I've read so far, that info came from Manuela and then I would have to ask, how would she know? I get that impression that she was being fed misinformation by Kirk and others or maybe she made it up.

Lovejunky said:

NotACleverName said:

NotACleverName said:
That first quote is funny....thanks for the chuckle. You have a different view of it, I'll admit.

And the computer, grave error. You are correct. I'm going to check my notes (if I can't find it there, will go back to the files), but didn't someone mention that the MacBook was an innocuous computer and Prince only used it for show reviews, etc?

Nah, still doesn't make it ok. Thanks for reminding me. At least they were professional enough to admit they made an enormous error.

THANKS FOR taking my response in such great spirit NOTACLEVERNAME

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

DD55 said:

To take that one more step....

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Why is LG getting a pass here? It’s possible that he supplied P with the drugs, maybe to control him, make P dependent on him so P could try to resurrect his sorry a$$ career. What about Chaka? LG is the one who basically told Mani years ago she did’t know what she was talking about when she express concern that her HUSBAND was using drugs, and told her not do anything.

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Something’s wrong with this whole picture… the whole JW cult thing, LG so holy, P like a puppy following LG and LG 'hipping' P to the Truth. All just weird. P was never the same guy once he got hooked up with LG. The swear jar, the Jahova talk… P was living his life a lie by trying to be something he wasn’t , it was crushing his real personality, people change but don’t make a 180 like that, and that had to take a toll on him emotionally.

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Come on? LG’s the biggest moocher of them all. You might say to an extent he basically broke up both of P’s marriages… all to keep him in line in the ‘church’ and selfishly to promote LG himself….LG boxed P into a corner with regards to how he was 'supposed' to run his life. The first thing a brainwasher does is make the subject chnage his daily life. That is what LG did and P was trapped.

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I think Josh and Hannah brought religion from a different viewpoint and P probably welcomed that.

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Hope I don’t get snipped, don’t mean to offend anyone…. but I have to let it out. ~DD55

I hope no one minds but I brought this over from the last thread because it was locked before I could respond.

DD55, you hit the nail right on the head with this, for me. I've said pretty much the same things for YEARS. Ever since Prince met Larry, he became such an entirely different person that it was hard not to notice but most contributed it to some "spritual healing" LG provided, that Prince needed after the loss of his first child with Mayte. But it never felt that way to me, at all. It always felt controlling and oppressive and I could never understand why Prince went along with it for so long. And I have wondered out loud more than a few times if there could have possibly been some sort of pharmaceutical reason that Prince to me, was easily being so clearly manipulated.

With everything that's happened, I still wonder and even more so now.

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

Menes said:

BillieBalloon said:

Menes said:

Penny, you've done a great job of compiling the facts that some seem to have an adverse reaction to. It is as if their minds are deeply affected by fantasies unabashed. I commend you for having the courage to post it all and letting the chips fall where they may. Ignore the "happy" crowd that thinks that his is a story unscathed. These are those who believe that a mere mortal is impervious to all things .

As we now evidence, most of the naysayers can not handle the truth and have either retreated into the inner regions of a kangaroo pouch, or continually attempt to switch the narrative. At some point, this (3) sided angle of what truth is, will be narrowed down to one singular source.

I think youll find that most people can handle the facts. What people have an issue with is some of the subjective interpretation of those facts. Opinions are not the truth, they reflect the life experiences and mind set of the speaker. If people want to disagree with oponions they can, thats what generates interesting discussion.

Another avenue worth thinking about. This may sound a major conspiracy theory but just think what a logical and easy way it would be to kill someone with no suspicion.

A WB agent (or a hired hand working on their behalf) approaches Kirk, Meron or Phaedra or all 3 and gives them a massive bribe to provide inside information. They then explain his pill problem and where he keeps them along with information on the lack of a registered will (or explain where the will is and remove it) etc.

The WB agent now knowing there are no security cameras at PP enters (or instead pays one of the three to do it) and then ensures that the pills are replaced with ones laced with fentanyl knowing it would cause a massive overdose. P takes them late at night, is found dead next morning, this goes along with the narrative of a rock star hooked on drugs (and staff will confirm he had taken pain pills for years despite those ones being relatively harmless) and no-one would think any the wiser.

Kirk, Meron, Phaedra keep quiet as instructed, delete any evidence of collaboration with the agent, receive their money and disappear into the sunset (perhaps in a few years to be found dead themselves in suspicious circumstances).

[Edited 4/24/18 11:29am]

From reviewing the investigation files and pictures over these past 5-days, I learned that Prince liked those 5-Hour Energy drinks, and the "Extra Strength" ones, especially. Being such a health-conscience person that he was, didn't he know that stuff is bad for you. The fact that he was drinking that poison, on top of taking medications (and illegal ones)--that is crazy!

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He used a lot of Visine.

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Supplements. He was trying to be healthy, but it was the illegal pills that were making him sick.

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Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

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Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

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Seeing the empty package of "syringe" is very sad too.

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The pictures of the garbage dumpster -- it's like someone was just throwing random stuff away, in open bags.....kinda weird and disgusting!!

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

[Edited 4/24/18 11:15am]

bondno9 said:

bondno9 said:

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

[Edited 4/24/18 11:15am]

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Prince did not want any tests done in Moline, but he seemed fine with going to Dr. Schulenberg on the 20th to have tests done -- was he finally realizing that he needed help??

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Did it take him that long to wake up and smell the coffee??

precioux said:

question: these 15 pills were found in a tissue in a "jewelry box"(?) Anyone know if this is/was the same jewelry box that DR made for him that he had kept all this time? Just wondering...

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From what I can recall it was a white one with a gold Givenchy insignia on it.

Rocksdalocks said:

Dr D spoke exclusively to the Daily Mail, lol.

tmo1965 said:

precioux said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Here's a question? Our 4 shadiest suspects are:

Kirky J

Meron

Phadera

Jill

Were they protecting themselves OR were they trying to protect Prince's privacy?

Kirky we know about him already + he allegedly shredded boxes of docs [WTAF!]

Meron - had a lot of cash on her [stolen?] + seemingly highly non-coperative when questioned

Phadera - according to Omar - took control - shredding docs, quickly putting togther the deals with the banks/ lawyers & accountants + paid off lots of 'suppliers' [i think the day after he passed?]

Jill - hmmmm!

Why - what is the deal here. Worst case = self protection & monetary gain OR best case = protecting Prince?

Suerly there has to be precedent to get them back in giving far more of a grilling?

Kirky J-was he shredding the will?(can't really see a reason for that-also, did those docs that were shredded tell of even more $ in Switzerland where Kirky went run hide, and pulled said $ from P's "hiding place " in Sitzerland?)

Meron-was that the cash she got from Prince and SHE was his dealer?

The cash struck me as a bit odd too. She said it was from selling merchandise at shows, but she was not at any of the shows that I'm aware of. So who gave her the money. In her statement, the investigator mentioned that she had a CD burner or something like that. My initial thought was that she is selling bootleg Prince Cds. Then I thought that maybe she is a drug dealer. She also started working for Prince around the time that it was noticable that something was wrong with him.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the authorities did not realize what they were walking into on April 21. They were not qualified to handle such a big case (international icon) and the rushed manner in which things were handled was appalling. That being said, I never trusted Larry Graham - I got my head chewed off here when I said Prince was probably supporting him (paid for his move to Minnesota, etc.) all those years. But nothing was the same after he came into the picture. And all the other people on the payroll were protecting their paychecks at Prince's expense, literally and figuratively. I still think he committed suicide, but there is so much here that doesn't add up. Just doesn't.

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

bondno9 said:

shednz: I don't know but it's possible he was after hydrocodone/oxycodone. If I'm understanding this correctly but according to the ME P's toxicology screening showed prescription medications oxycodone and hydrocodone in his urine but none in the blood. But yet, high level of fentanyl in the blood (????). His visit from 4-20 showed hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87 ng/ml but no fentanyl in blood. So it appears both autospy and visit from Dr. S showed hydrocodone.

God Bless everyone here for caring so much and for trying so desperately to understand exactly how we lost our beloved Prince...but it seems to me that the only conclusion that will be standing at the end of our endless analyses is that he was a functioning addict whose body was breaking down from long-term drug use...and then he overdosed...not an unusual end to an all-too-common story.

This seems to be it Bodhitheblackdog. At least now we know why he could stay up so long, and it changes the meaning of a lot of lyrics -just thinking about the later stuff - Breakdown, Way Back Home, for example, take on whole new meanings - even Clouds "we're getting high on something that doesn't require clouds". Maybe 'Pop Life' was sung to himself like Cream was. "what you putting in your nose, is that where all your money goes, the river of addiction flows you think it's hot..." . Big life, great music, cliched tortured artist end. Legend.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

Is there different investigation file for the DEA that has not been released yet?

DEA investigative records and search warrants have not been released.

It would be enlightening to see how much fentanyl was in the pills they tested in Chicago.

Rocksdalocks said:

bondno9 said:

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

[Edited 4/24/18 11:15am]

So do you think that the dealer Dr.D's account was all fabricated and the mention of fentanyl was purely a coincidence? Do you think that Prince has never willingly taken it ever? Not being a butt here, I'm truly curious as to how you reconcile Dr. D's account before the cause of death was determined.

shit was awful coincidental, that's for damned sure, i think people should question things when it's a tabloid doing the reporting though. Remember, people are suddenly giving more credence to him than they are to the aids story even though both were widely spread in tabloids, no one believes tabloids, anyone with over a 4th grade education anyways.

shednz said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

God Bless everyone here for caring so much and for trying so desperately to understand exactly how we lost our beloved Prince...but it seems to me that the only conclusion that will be standing at the end of our endless analyses is that he was a functioning addict whose body was breaking down from long-term drug use...and then he overdosed...not an unusual end to an all-too-common story.

This seems to be it Bodhitheblackdog. At least now we know why he could stay up so long, and it changes the meaning of a lot of lyrics -just thinking about the later stuff - Breakdown, Way Back Home, for example, take on whole new meanings - even Clouds "we're getting high on something that doesn't require clouds". Maybe 'Pop Life' was sung to himself like Cream was. "what you putting in your nose, is that where all your money goes, the river of addiction flows you think it's hot..." . Big life, great music, cliched tortured artist end. Legend.

thing is, all the eighties workers insist there were no drugs at that point (similarly, anyone around Elvis in the fifties insist there were no drugs then). so, pop life was always interpreted at members of the time. the story goes that he and wendy had a blowout over her being seen in public with a beer, and that that was the beginning of the end of their working relationship. Also, maybe he was a hypocrite just like Ray Charles who fired people for doing shit like that but always, always was on something.

shednz said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

God Bless everyone here for caring so much and for trying so desperately to understand exactly how we lost our beloved Prince...but it seems to me that the only conclusion that will be standing at the end of our endless analyses is that he was a functioning addict whose body was breaking down from long-term drug use...and then he overdosed...not an unusual end to an all-too-common story.

This seems to be it Bodhitheblackdog. At least now we know why he could stay up so long, and it changes the meaning of a lot of lyrics -just thinking about the later stuff - Breakdown, Way Back Home, for example, take on whole new meanings - even Clouds "we're getting high on something that doesn't require clouds". Maybe 'Pop Life' was sung to himself like Cream was. "what you putting in your nose, is that where all your money goes, the river of addiction flows you think it's hot..." . Big life, great music, cliched tortured artist end. Legend.

to the max

disch said:

I don't believe they got dna samples from these people. I didn't see a mention of that -- and frankly, considering how little they agreed to talk to the cops, i doubt they would have given up their dna voluntarily.

tmo1965 said:

I haven't read all of the reports yet. So did they get DNA samples from Kirk, Meron, Judith, and Dr. S? I believe Kirk told the investigators that he went through Prince's bag in the hospital, so he would have some plausible deniability there, but it would be interesting to see who the other DNA belonged to.

They could be issued a supena to make them submit to the test. Why not?

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

...Dr D mentioned Dilaudid as well, which was found in Prince's urine from 4/20. This is NOT a coincidence

poppys said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I hope no one minds but I brought this over from the last thread because it was locked before I could respond.

DD55, you hit the nail right on the head with this, for me. I've said pretty much the same things for YEARS. Ever since Prince met Larry, he became such an entirely different person that it was hard not to notice but most contributed it to some "spritual healing" LG provided, that Prince needed after the loss of his first child with Mayte. But it never felt that way to me, at all. It always felt controlling and oppressive and I could never understand why Prince went along with it for so long. And I have wondered out loud more than a few times if there could have possibly been some sort of pharmaceutical reason that Prince to me, was easily being so clearly manipulated.

With everything that's happened, I still wonder and even more so now.

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

Prince's vulerability of the loss of his child, coupled with the JW promise that Prince would "see him again" in the afterworld, or however the JW's state it...

tmo1965 said:

disch said:

I don't believe they got dna samples from these people. I didn't see a mention of that -- and frankly, considering how little they agreed to talk to the cops, i doubt they would have given up their dna voluntarily.

They could be issued a supena to make them submit to the test. Why not?

What would a subpoena prove? Maybe only that they touched the bottle.

Someone said they should be arrested for questioning, lol, that's not the way it works.

MMJas said:

Let's not forget those confidentiality agreements Prince made everyone sign. Could it be possible there's something in them which states the person cannot divulge anything related to his personal life, his habits, etc, and for that reason some people are refusing to acnowledge anything related to his pain pill dependency? Would they not be obliged to break confidentiality both once Prince was dead and there was a police investigation going on?
I remember Meron stating something to that intent, like she was not sure how much she could actually say. Still, she later chose not to say anything at all, perhaps after consulting with a lawyer, (they all lawyered up pretty soon) and the Police did not follow up interviews with the 3 people who actually dealt with Prince on a daily basis, two of them having been the persons who actually found him dead. Oh, mnot to mention the overnight security guard that supposedly found him, he was not interviews also.

There's a lot I don't get in this whole investigation, tbh....

no no no, meron is an immigrant, i've known a shitload of immigrants, they all have fear of everything that would get them removed and put back into their poor assed oppressive countries. I'm constantly helping my friend deal with the letters from homeland security and immigration pumping his stupid ass full of fear, i usually tell him "why you even want to be in this fucked up country". I don't but I ain't conquered my need for money and all the things it's attached to.

precioux said:

poppys said:

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

Prince's vulerability of the loss of his child, coupled with the JW promise that Prince would "see him again" in the afterworld, or however the JW's state it...

I lost a child and don't have any either. It was and is still is very sad, I do think about it, but I'm not entirely sure about that. Of course it's possible.