ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

Leave what pills?

I only skimmed, but I recall Kirk indicating that he cleaned out PP so Prn would be okay that night. It sounded like Kirk thought he had done the necessary thing to keep P safe. However, perhaps he really did not know the true extent of what P was holding. That is another horrible aspect - what if Kirk had left all the meds with Prince. Perhaps he would not have felt the need to reach for something else .... I was just skimming, so I may be messed up on this interpretation.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

XxAxX said:

i'm just curious: why would Prince need a presciption for painkillers from Dr. Schulenberg in Kirk's name when Paisley Park was apparently littered with various types of painkillers? why didn't Prince just take whatever he had on hand?

EXACTLY!!!!! And why the hell did Kirk feel the need to remove those pills from Dr. S. but left ALL the rest?????

Kirk seemed to do his job removing alcohol and pills from the PUBLIC side of PP (taking some home, throwing others in the trash) but it doesn't seem like he attempted to remove anything from the residential side very much AT ALL. It was half-assed but then he probably couldn't do it in front of Prince.

Kirk actually stated that he DID go into Prince black bag (that he had in Moline) looking for the Bayer bottle to get rid of it and said it was no longer in there (it was found later on Prince's nightstand after he died and is likely the bottle that contained the pills which killed him).

mnfriend said:

Every where you turn there is a tricky sign the mashed up white stuff placed next to the spoon looks like a Fent. cocktail being made The Daily Mail (English paper alluded to earlier) IS a damaging article to his ‘girlfriend’ just the word ‘girlfriend’ of ‘2 years’ all of it’s sad. Sad. I know Pete’s been joking but FYI in case Sasha1 has never ever been ‘drama’ and I’ve valued her steady quiet consistent logical inputs.

ok, what is this daily mail, 2 years, girlfriend you are talking about in your estimation, i'm going to check it out now.

PeteSilas said:

funksterr said:

The police investigation is a simplified slice of the truth, but it keeps his name clean, so I'm good with it. Not saying that he had anything else going on, but SOMEBODY close to him spread the lie that he was sick and not addicted to me when he was still alive. That person phukked up everything by doing that and it's a factor in why we lost him.

huh? how did they fuck it up, did prince get wind of the aids stories and try to get even more secretive? what? and who was the person in his circle, no names asked, but is it the same who went to blind gossip with the aids story?

The investigative report show Prince's computer showed a search for prince.org! and Mediatakeout. Mediatakeout posted a blind that clearly pointed to Prince having AIDS which was picked up by other gossip sites.

XxAxX said:

i might have missed it but i do not see any evidence at all that the pill bottles were fingerprinted. it looks like the investigators just asumed that the pills all belonged to Prince. even if Prince was known to use pills, that part of the investigation feels a little sloppy to me.

It only feels sloppy because you missed the data about it. They didn't just fingerprint items; They performed FULL DNA testing not only on the pill bottles but even went into the trash to dna test the USED enema bottles in case he was using drugs that way.

i found the blood pressure info -- page 140 of the report:

"In reading the Doctors notes from the 04-20-16 appointment with Prince I observed, Dr. Schulenberg obtained Prince's vitals. Prince's blood pressure was 158/80. Prince's pulse was 93, temp was 98.5F, weight was 109 and his height was 5' 4" "

MiPans said:

PennyPurple said:

Could you please show me where it was reported that Prince had high blood pressure and was being treated for it. There were no health issues other then mild anemia. If he had cancer or anything else, he would've had to go to the Dr to find that out. He didn't go to Drs.

Stop trying to change the narrative to cancer again, because that's BS.

The NYT documents indicate that Prince's blood pressure was high, when taken at Dr. S's office. I cannot quote the exact page, but it is in the reports. I believe the systolic was close to 160 (maybe around 158?) and the diastolic was maybe low. However, the systolic was certainly high. I am not at all saying that Prince had cancer, there is no evidence for that in the documents released. However, there is also no information in the documents to disprove an underlying health issue, including cancer. How do you prove something does not exist, when scientists indicate that we all have our DNA breaking down with most people having cells running amok.

MiPans said:

Thanks - I am fortunate and am doing very well. I am grateful every day.

I wonder about Prince having blood pressure meds in PPark. I think it very possible that he was self-treating for at least some conditions. His blood presssure was high, as was reported in the NYT accessible documents. It does make some sense to conclude that he may have been treating this condition by having others obtain meds for him, as these meds are not typically controlled medications. Why have them around? Blood pressure med are known for their nasty side effects. I would be interested in finding out the dates medications were prescribed.

I don't recall reading that he had BP meds in PP. There was an UNRELATED incident where someone reported that Kirk kept narcotics for Prince in an old house he used to rent BUT upon investigation the pills in questiowere indeed Kirks own pills (including lisinopril) and not for Prince.

disch said:

i found the blood pressure info -- page 140 of the report:

"In reading the Doctors notes from the 04-20-16 appointment with Prince I observed, Dr. Schulenberg obtained Prince's vitals. Prince's blood pressure was 158/80. Prince's pulse was 93, temp was 98.5F, weight was 109 and his height was 5' 4" "

Which is not honestly evidence Prince had high BP. He could have been, and certainly was, very stressed at that point in time. He also seemed to shy away from doctors for anything beyond B12 shots, too, so he could have had "white coat syndrome". I have it... my BP is a LOT higher at the beginning of a doctor's visit than it is if they check it at the end.

He did have the blood-pressure med clonidine, prescribed on 4/20 by Dr S, but Dr S implied he prescribed for opiate withdrawal relief (a common use for that drug)

jtfolden said:

MiPans said:

Thanks - I am fortunate and am doing very well. I am grateful every day.

I wonder about Prince having blood pressure meds in PPark. I think it very possible that he was self-treating for at least some conditions. His blood presssure was high, as was reported in the NYT accessible documents. It does make some sense to conclude that he may have been treating this condition by having others obtain meds for him, as these meds are not typically controlled medications. Why have them around? Blood pressure med are known for their nasty side effects. I would be interested in finding out the dates medications were prescribed.

I don't recall reading that he had BP meds in PP. There was an UNRELATED incident where someone reported that Kirk kept narcotics for Prince in an old house he used to rent BUT upon investigation the pills in questiowere indeed Kirks own pills (including lisinopril) and not for Prince.

jtfolden said:

Was Kirk allowed to access Prince’s private quarters (e.g., bedroom) or was that off-limits to Kirk?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

huh? how did they fuck it up, did prince get wind of the aids stories and try to get even more secretive? what? and who was the person in his circle, no names asked, but is it the same who went to blind gossip with the aids story?

The investigative report show Prince's computer showed a search for prince.org! and Mediatakeout. Mediatakeout posted a blind that clearly pointed to Prince having AIDS which was picked up by other gossip sites.

oh, that's right, good lord, that had to be a factor in something, poor guy. hell, wish i coulda been there for him, my sis died of aids and i woulda had no issues whether he had it or not. shouldn't have gave a fuck what people were saying really.

disch said:

5’4 and 109...that is underweight! But I thought he was 5’2.

jtfolden said:

MiPans said:

Thanks - I am fortunate and am doing very well. I am grateful every day.

I wonder about Prince having blood pressure meds in PPark. I think it very possible that he was self-treating for at least some conditions. His blood presssure was high, as was reported in the NYT accessible documents. It does make some sense to conclude that he may have been treating this condition by having others obtain meds for him, as these meds are not typically controlled medications. Why have them around? Blood pressure med are known for their nasty side effects. I would be interested in finding out the dates medications were prescribed.

I don't recall reading that he had BP meds in PP. There was an UNRELATED incident where someone reported that Kirk kept narcotics for Prince in an old house he used to rent BUT upon investigation the pills in questiowere indeed Kirks own pills (including lisinopril) and not for Prince.

I cannot recall the exact page number, but lisonopril (sp?) was listed on an inventory of pills or pill bottles found in Prince's private quarters. I noticed the name because I have been added to number of fat Americans requiring blood pressure meds. The person, Shaun (I think KJ's nephew) is quite young, so probably would not be an expected candidate for blood pressure meds. Just one reason I was interested in possible dates. I can't imagine that Prince went without having his blood pressure checked by doctors he contracted for vitamin B shots. I also can imagine thinking, "I can handle this."

MiPans said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Leave what pills?

I only skimmed, but I recall Kirk indicating that he cleaned out PP so Prn would be okay that night. It sounded like Kirk thought he had done the necessary thing to keep P safe. However, perhaps he really did not know the true extent of what P was holding. That is another horrible aspect - what if Kirk had left all the meds with Prince. Perhaps he would not have felt the need to reach for something else .... I was just skimming, so I may be messed up on this interpretation.

It just doesn't sound that way to me. Because IMHO, the necessary thing to keep Prince safe would have been not leaving his damn side until he was being treated by trained professionals. But what do I know, that's just something I think a real true friend would have done.

It's just too freaking sad and it makes me mad that Prince apparently didn't have any.

XxAxX said:

Yes

yeah the autopsy listed him at 5'3" and 112 -- so maybe the measuring devices were slightly off (or if dr s was anything like my dr, he just asked P "how tall are you?" and P padded by a little)

206Michelle said:

disch said:

i found the blood pressure info -- page 140 of the report:

"In reading the Doctors notes from the 04-20-16 appointment with Prince I observed, Dr. Schulenberg obtained Prince's vitals. Prince's blood pressure was 158/80. Prince's pulse was 93, temp was 98.5F, weight was 109 and his height was 5' 4" "

5’4 and 109...that is underweight! But I thought he was 5’2.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Addiction is an illness/disease that requires treatment.

disch said:

yeah the autopsy listed him at 5'3" and 112 -- so maybe the measuring devices were slightly off (or if dr s was anything like my dr, he just asked P "how tall are you?" and P padded by a little)

206Michelle said:

disch said: 5’4 and 109...that is underweight! But I thought he was 5’2.

for whatever reason, they never seem that accurate, mj didn't even look 136 pounds, which would have been in the lower range of normal, tupac was listed at a ridiculous 215 when everyone knows he was around 150. nothing involving humans is perfect.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

disch said:

He did have the blood-pressure med clonidine, prescribed on 4/20 by Dr S, but Dr S implied he prescribed for opiate withdrawal relief (a common use for that drug)

Right... if he had been given it for BP, I would think Dr S would have just said so...

206Michelle said:

Was Kirk allowed to access Prince’s private quarters (e.g., bedroom) or was that off-limits to Kirk?

I'm pretty sure the private residence and all the rooms in it were off limits without an invite. I have to say, too, that judging by the photos, no one was going in there to clean and tidy up much either

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It just doesn't sound that way to me. Because IMHO, the necessary thing to keep Prince safe would have been not leaving his damn side until he was being treated by trained professionals. But what do I know, that's just something I think a real true friend would have done.

It's just too freaking sad and it makes me mad that Prince apparently didn't have any.

You ignore Prince's responsibility and wishes in all of this. It was said two years ago and it holds true today; do you think ANYONE was staying with Prince if he didn't want them to do so?

Yes, if *I* had been there (as I'm sure it's true for you as well) I would have tried to involve myself in Prince's routine a little more and keep him around others as much as possible until help arrived but at the end of the day Prince was going to go back to his bedroom and do whatever he wanted. As it was I think Kirk and Meron were at PP until 11 that night discussing what to do about him and how to handle it...


Sadly, I think the *one* person that perhaps could have managed to stick to his side more easily, and the only one who was truly and completely honest in the investigative interviews, was Judith. There is the comment in the interview that sounds like Prince told her that week that it felt like her stay was too short and she went back home too quickly.

jtfolden said:

206Michelle said:

Was Kirk allowed to access Prince’s private quarters (e.g., bedroom) or was that off-limits to Kirk?

I'm pretty sure the private residence and all the rooms in it were off limits without an invite. I have to say, too, that judging by the photos, no one was going in there to clean and tidy up much either

I found this disturbing...does anyone know if PP ever had a housekeeper?...I mean, did Prince change his own sheets and run his own clothes through the washing machine?Who ran the vacume? WHY did he choose to live this way? OMG, was it just music and drugs?

What a crappy investigation. And what a major violation of privacy to release these pictures and videos. They did Michael and Whitney better than they did Prince as far as sealing records.

Although I am thankful that I finally got to see what was behind the doors at Paisley ... a lot of those images totally humanized Prince more than ever for me. It looked liked no one was taking care of him or he was simply an almost 60yr old man who didnt want people all up in his daily business.

I think what hurt the most was Meron not recognizing or reporting that she was buying an unusual amount of enemas for him. Enemas raise major red flags about a persons health! I originally believed that Kirk might’ve had something to do with it, but after looking at the video and reading over his statement and just looking at his body language and even that card that his family wrote to Prince about everything he does for them he did for them, led me to believe that he really did keep them all At a distance. I even went as far as looking up the house that Kurt uses as an address in Chanhassen Based off of the prescription bottles. The house he lives in that is owned or was owned by prince was worth over $500,000. Why would anyone want to ruin that? Apparently Josh and his wife also lived in the same neighborhood as Kirk, so it looks like he was taking care of a lot of people including his sister Tyka. Who he clearly still took care of. Did anyone else notice the expense list that showed the invoice he received from Tyka for $10,000 in January. I’m sure they still had a very close relationship and he still took care of her. Now the only question I have left is who the hell gave him all of these pills? There was absolutely no security system or cameras in Paisley Park so it has to be someone he’s known for a long time that is been providing these to him and they fly so far under the radar. I almost think someone sends FedEx packages to that country inn place. Who knows? But the Carver County police did not Dig deeper into finding out who his supplier was.

PeteSilas said:

http://www.dailymail.co.u...oring.html

mnfriend said:

PeteSilas said:

ok, what is this daily mail, 2 years, girlfriend you are talking about in your estimation, i'm going to check it out now.

http://www.dailymail.co.u...oring.html

thank you, but what did you mean "2years/girlfriend" Judith? Vanity? and what was the context of what you said.

I caught that too...

Very strange...Difficult to accidentally send a Picture to some one UNLESS you are

deliberately sending a picture to some one and you acccidentally send it to the wrong number ?

So why was Kirk sending a picture of the stairs to ANYONE at that time...?

It feels creepy to me escpecially since the last time anyone heard frm Prince was 10.03

5 minutes after this picture was taken...

bondno9 said:

What in the world??? So KJ "accidently" sends a photo of some "stairs" to Dr. S at what looks like 9:38 pm and then at 11:12 pm sends another text saying "sorry for that photo. please fax those charts to Mr. Howard Kornfeld SO ..."

jtfolden said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

It just doesn't sound that way to me. Because IMHO, the necessary thing to keep Prince safe would have been not leaving his damn side until he was being treated by trained professionals. But what do I know, that's just something I think a real true friend would have done.

It's just too freaking sad and it makes me mad that Prince apparently didn't have any.

You ignore Prince's responsibility and wishes in all of this. It was said two years ago and it holds true today; do you think ANYONE was staying with Prince if he didn't want them to do so?

Yes, if *I* had been there (as I'm sure it's true for you as well) I would have tried to involve myself in Prince's routine a little more and keep him around others as much as possible until help arrived but at the end of the day Prince was going to go back to his bedroom and do whatever he wanted. As it was I think Kirk and Meron were at PP until 11 that night discussing what to do about him and how to handle it...


Sadly, I think the *one* person that perhaps could have managed to stick to his side more easily, and the only one who was truly and completely honest in the investigative interviews, was Judith. There is the comment in the interview that sounds like Prince told her that week that it felt like her stay was too short and she went back home too quickly.

Trust, I'm not ignoring anything. If Prince hadn't been so hell bent on surrounding himself with sycophants and yes men, even as "friends", he'd have had at least one person who wouldn't have been afraid of any consequences nor repercussions when it came to standing up to him and/or telling his happy ass some much needed truths, in the first place.

However, that does not negate the fact that the people who were actually so called "closest" to him and in his inner circle FAILED him miserably when he NEEDED them to CARE for him most.

[Edited 4/25/18 3:38am]

If you presume that Prince knew that he had fentanyl laced pills, then it would be safe to assume that he had gone as far as you can really go with opioid addiction. Fentanyl is the big beast in the opioid world. I'm sure there may be synthetic drugs that are stronger, but in terms of what is generally available on the street, fentanyl is the last stop. If you presume that Prince had been hooked on opioids for many years then it stands to reason that as his tolerances increased, he would gravitate to something stronger. Once you have gravitated to fentanyl, there isn't really anywhere else to gravitate to unless you start smoking patches and getting the needles out.


If Prince really was that deep into it, then a lot of things make sense.

1) someone that deep in is going to deny it uncategorically to anyone and everyone around them.

2) The fucked up thought processes and rewiring of their brain will probably mean they are also denying any problem to themselves.

3) The reason why he took that lethal pill instead of the prescribed ones he obtained from Kirk is because the Percocet just don't work anymore. It was the tough stuff or the withdrawal demons, nothing else helped.

4) The reason he asked KJ to get that prescription in the first place is Prince playing smoke and mirrors with KJ. By agreeing to KJ's percocet prescription he is saying to KJ that the problem isn't as bad as it really is. His intentions of using the "weak" Percocet were nill. His denial was still strong, even after agreeing to seek help.

5) Severe illness, vomiting, diarhea, loss of appetite, dehydration, weight loss - all signs of someone trying to get themselves off the drug without supervision.

6) Pills halved and quartered are signs of someone either trying a self weaning program OR someone slowly increasing their dosage in order to get the same relief as the last dose.

7) Blaming anything other than the problem itself for his illness (the narcan, bad food etc) is another sign of denial, not naivety.

8) No one really knows to what extent an addict is trapped. The addict will always lie about the severity. KJ and those around him (past and present) may well have known of an issue, but they would never have known how deep that issue ran. I believe KJ when he said he didn't realise the gravity of the situation. He thought he was getting some percocet to take the edge off. Little did he know that Percocet to a fentanyl user is like water to an alcoholic.

9) With tolerances so high he would not obtaining any kind of high from the drugs and would be taking them just to function normally. The drugs bring a feeling of balance and normalcy to life. Without them all hell breaks loose.

10) the strength of the drug does not translate to the "higher" the user. A hit of fentanyl to a seasoned addict would be like taking something much milder for someone with less tolerance. So appearing normal and functioning easily whilst under the influence does not translate to "well, he can't be on much because he appears so normal". Hence why no one suspected the gravity of the situation.

[Edited 4/25/18 2:43am]

disch said:

His BP was very high but his pulse is perfect