leec1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

benni said:

I can't go with the idea of suicide. Everything that we know about Prince, regardless of how he was feeling, goes against the idea of suicide. Suicide is considered to be self-murder, and is against God's law, Prince just wouldn't have done it, no matter what was going with him.

As for murder, I'm of the opinion that those that mailed him the pills, gave him the pills, are responsible. I believe it would be more of a case of manslaughter than murder. I don't think that anyone had it in their head to kill Prince. However, involuntary manslaughter by supplying him the pills that contained the fentanyl I can see. Now, if it's shown they knew the pills had fentanyl in them, then by all means, it could be murder.

Regarding the amount of fentanyl in his system, if he was buying the pills online through the black market, there is no regulation on how they cut those pills. One pill could have been enough to put an extremely large dose of fentanyl into his system, depending upon how they cut them. If he had thought they were okay, he could have taken two pills and it would have been even worse. Without those regulations to guarantee that what you are buying on the black market is safe, then you run the risk of getting pills that have huge amounts of fentanyl in them, or pills with barely any fentanyl in them, or none at all. You run the risk of some pills having exceedingly high acetaminophen or oxycodone, but none of them will be consistent in their ingredients.

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Anyone who buys drugs off the street can not possibly think they are safe and/or legit.

That's where we assume he got them, but I've come across a few articles which I have posted a while ago that such pills aren't necessarily just circulating on the street, not in legit pharmacies but there are other situation they could be available, there's was a warning about crossing the border and going to those pharmacies for cheaper versions of the same meds, most are legit but the regulations are different so there are a few who buy from various sources, how would someone who doesn't live there guarantee which pharmacies are which, for instance?

ChocolateBox3121 said:

morningsong said:

Yeah, it's like what in the world is that supposed to mean?

I communicated with Denise so I won't have any further comments about her..

Ah.

muleFunk said:

disch said:

Real reporters typically do reveal their sources. If you feel you cannot, then you must explain to your audience why that is and give enough information to establish credibilty.

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And I didn't say whether or not I believe the AP story (for the record, that particular sentence in the AP story is very poorly written -- connecting the fentanyl test to the very obvious facts that he "took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died" makes no sense) but the AP has established credibility generally as reporters that you have not. Are you implying that people here should give you as much trust as they give the Associated Press when it comes to claims that you have direct access to sources? Mule, I don't even know your real name.

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I'm like Ripley .... Believe It or Not.

If you wanted to know who I am it's not hard to find out.

As far as credibility I am just as credible as you are and anyone else here on a site that uses fake names.

I know who you are We've even been in a few of the same FB groups.

[Edited 4/6/18 20:15pm]

Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

I'm like Ripley .... Believe It or Not.

If you wanted to know who I am it's not hard to find out.

As far as credibility I am just as credible as you are and anyone else here on a site that uses fake names.

I know who you are We've even been in a few of the same FB groups.

luv4u said:

Mumio said:

I know who you are We've even been in a few of the same FB groups.

Lol, I know who you are too and we are also in some of the same FB groups.

Mumio said:

luv4u said:

Lol, I know who you are too and we are also in some of the same FB groups.

disch said:

purplefam99 said:

disch said:

i agree, early information can sometimes be more inaccurate and stuff gets clarified later.

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In this case, I'd believe what Dr S told LE more than what he (or his lawyer) told the press, because I think he'd be more motivated to tell the truth to LE than to tell the truth in a public press release, if there's a conradiction between them. But it's all a bit hazy especially because no opioid bottle with Kirk's name was found at PP.

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Question, it says dr S. Prescribed the meds on 4/14, does that mean called the meds in, wrote a paper Rx,??? Prescribed doesn’t mean the script was filled. Was P in Minni on 4/14 or was he already in Atlanta? Maybe there isn’t a bottle cause that script didn’t get filled???

I don't know that anyone can really answer that. The first concert was 7:00 PM that evening, but I don't think it started until 7:30 or close to 8:00 PM. I know I was worried about getting there on time, due to the traffic, and driving from the Upstate in South Carolina. I made it right before 7:00 PM, but still had to wait a little while for the show to start. It's possible that he flew from Minne to Atlanta that afternoon. IIRC, he went straight from the concert venue to the airport to take the flight back to Minne after concert, so it's possible Dr. S had given him the prescriptions before his flight to Atlanta.

zenarose said:

This article is a bit long, but interesting. Prince Final Days https://www.theguardian.com Contains infock from the Atlanta promoter Lucy Lawler-Freas.

clicked on line, can't find Prince story

benni said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

zenarose said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

clicked on line, can't find Prince story

Im sorry. Put this in your google search bar Prince final days guardian.com It was published 4/2016

Thanks, got it...very moving.

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

Revolution band member Lisa Coleman suspected that Prince had been using drugs for a decade before his death in April 2016.

“I didn't know to what extent,” she told us in advance of upcoming Revolution performances at Sony Hall on Oct. 11 and 12.

“I had heard rumors over the last like 10 years or something that he was fooling around with drugs,” Coleman said. “It was so unusual, but I knew he was in a lot of pain and he was going through a lot with his hip and that made sense to me.”

“I was shocked that it had gone so far,” she said. “It's hard to think about even the pictures that I saw of him and stuff in the last two months (of his life). ‘Hey something’s wrong. Someone give him some soup or something.’ It really freaked me out.”

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

Revolution band member Lisa Coleman suspected that Prince had been using drugs for a decade before his death in April 2016.

“I didn't know to what extent,” she told us in advance of upcoming Revolution performances at Sony Hall on Oct. 11 and 12.

“I had heard rumors over the last like 10 years or something that he was fooling around with drugs,” Coleman said. “It was so unusual, but I knew he was in a lot of pain and he was going through a lot with his hip and that made sense to me.”

“I was shocked that it had gone so far,” she said. “It's hard to think about even the pictures that I saw of him and stuff in the last two months (of his life). ‘Hey something’s wrong. Someone give him some soup or something.’ It really freaked me out.”

The link doesn't work.

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

Revolution band member Lisa Coleman suspected that Prince had been using drugs for a decade before his death in April 2016.

“I didn't know to what extent,” she told us in advance of upcoming Revolution performances at Sony Hall on Oct. 11 and 12.

“I had heard rumors over the last like 10 years or something that he was fooling around with drugs,” Coleman said. “It was so unusual, but I knew he was in a lot of pain and he was going through a lot with his hip and that made sense to me.”

“I was shocked that it had gone so far,” she said. “It's hard to think about even the pictures that I saw of him and stuff in the last two months (of his life). ‘Hey something’s wrong. Someone give him some soup or something.’ It really freaked me out.”

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

what's that sound? is it the floodgates opening? I have been saying on this site for 2 years that a LOT of people knew...they thought (IMO) that they were being either supportive friends by keeping their mouths shut or they were just looking out for their own interests and didn't want to get bounced from the Purple gravy train......he also had a lifelong habit of seductively promising people in the biz (usually women) that he would mentor, enhance and launch their careers...so they had BOTH motives to clam up.

PennyPurple said:

leec1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

The link doesn't work.

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

Never mind. I found the article.

Try this as the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/revolution-musician-heard-prince-drugs-decade-article-1.3919189

the revolution is losing money when they perform?? can this be confirmed?

leec1 said:

leec1 said:

Never mind. I found the article.

Try this as the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/revolution-musician-heard-prince-drugs-decade-article-1.3919189

Thanks sorry about the link.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Look at this article. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa............SMDH

Here's some snippets, for the full article a link is provided.

www.nydailynews.com/enter...-1.3919189

what's that sound? is it the floodgates opening? I have been saying on this site for 2 years that a LOT of people knew...they thought (IMO) that they were being either supportive friends by keeping their mouths shut or they were just looking out for their own interests and didn't want to get bounced from the Purple gravy train......he also had a lifelong habit of seductively promising people in the biz (usually women) that he would mentor, enhance and launch their careers...so they had BOTH motives to clam up.

You have been saying it.

these drug threads r tired....those that know ..know... and those that dont wanna know ...stay in their mindset

luvsexy4all said:

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

what's that sound? is it the floodgates opening? I have been saying on this site for 2 years that a LOT of people knew...they thought (IMO) that they were being either supportive friends by keeping their mouths shut or they were just looking out for their own interests and didn't want to get bounced from the Purple gravy train......he also had a lifelong habit of seductively promising people in the biz (usually women) that he would mentor, enhance and launch their careers...so they had BOTH motives to clam up.

You have been saying it.

I totally agree with you Bodhitheblackdog.

As far back as Sheila E. appearing on TV in April 2016 and when she was questioned as to what happened answering: "I can't share", I knew in my gut that she was aware of exactly what was the cause.

Man, people are heartless or maybe just extremely conflicted and confused. . She said in another interview this year that if she had known of his overdose that she would have gone to Paisley. Now, she is saying she suspected for 10 years that he was dabbling in drugs but didn't know the extent and that right before he died and she saw pictures of him, she thought he was undereating. I would think that the extent of the problem would be apparent by the skinniness. But that being said, I re-read old threads on this site fromJanuary of 2016 and early days of the Piano and Microphone tour (before Moline) and no one seemed to be expressing concern on here about his health, and fans obviously knew of the rumors of him popping pills for his hip problems in 2009 and saw his weight loss as well, so maybe she had the same info fans had and just didnt do a good enough job of putting one and one together. I think he was keeping a lot of people in the dark and only trickling info was coming out. Confounding people. The times he did talk to LIsa were probably brief, cryptic, on the phone and music oriented. If he seemed fine during the conversations (and stopped contact after 2014), not sure she had the chance or know-how to broach the subject.

As for your other comment I hope you are not implying that we will get an onslaught of Me-Too movement complaints that P forced (indirectly) proteges to sleep with him in exchange for musical mentorship and careers.

PennyPurple said:

leec1 said:

Never mind. I found the article.

Try this as the link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/revolution-musician-heard-prince-drugs-decade-article-1.3919189

Thanks sorry about the link.

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morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Accountability needs to start with these doctor's prescribing pain meds and treating patients with addiction and pain management. I've read countless articles about doctor's who are going to prison for over-prescribing and ultimately killing their patients. Things need to change.

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In the case of your Aunt; there is nothing wrong with giving her insulin, if she can't do it for herself or can't remember. She has a legal prescription for it, so that's a different story.

The way I first heard it was supposed to go down was that Andrew was supposed to meet with Prince and if he agreed to whatever the terms of the treatment were, then go to a doctor to administer the meds, he was carrying them because MN doesn't supply them. They never met, so outside of the whole he wasn't supposed to be carrying meds across statelines I'm not sure what I supposed to be blaming him for.

I'm wondering if Prince was in one of his long early morning phone convos with someone who went into action after they hung up. The 6am thing has me mystified since I don't think anyone shows up for work at PP at that time.

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Well, that's the story they told authorities and the lawyers. We have no way of knowing if that is true. It just sounds like a cover-up, imo. They had to come up with a good story. I could be wrong. In the real world, people would lose their jobs over something like that.

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I don't understand what you mean by 6AM?

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Anyone who buys drugs off the street can not possibly think they are safe and/or legit.

That's where we assume he got them, but I've come across a few articles which I have posted a while ago that such pills aren't necessarily just circulating on the street, not in legit pharmacies but there are other situation they could be available, there's was a warning about crossing the border and going to those pharmacies for cheaper versions of the same meds, most are legit but the regulations are different so there are a few who buy from various sources, how would someone who doesn't live there guarantee which pharmacies are which, for instance?

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Yes, I have heard of these pharmacies; maybe in Mexico? I don't think these types of places would exist in the United States, because they would be shut-down. Even then, you are still taking a risk getting drugs that aren't prescribed by a credible physician. Just my thoughts.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

morningsong said:

Yeah, it's like what in the world is that supposed to mean?

I communicated with Denise so I won't have any further comments about her..

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I'm still baffled by what Denise meant. We all know that jellyfish are deadly; was she trying to say Prince was dangerous (to himself) and deadly?

disch said:

That was the script in kirks name so I’m sure Kirk was tasked with filling it. My guess? He filled it that day, because 1. He got this script for a reason, I’m sure because he/prince/dr s felt prince needed it and I doubt he would’ve dawdled in filling it and 2. After the plane od Kirk allegedly told the hospital prince "may have" taken Percocet and perhaps that recent script is why he assumed that drug benni said:

I don't know that anyone can really answer that. The first concert was 7:00 PM that evening, but I don't think it started until 7:30 or close to 8:00 PM. I know I was worried about getting there on time, due to the traffic, and driving from the Upstate in South Carolina. I made it right before 7:00 PM, but still had to wait a little while for the show to start. It's possible that he flew from Minne to Atlanta that afternoon. IIRC, he went straight from the concert venue to the airport to take the flight back to Minne after concert, so it's possible Dr. S had given him the prescriptions before his flight to Atlanta.

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So, it was after Prince was seen by Dr. Schulenberg that he began his downward spiral and O.D.? Hmmm,