was Kirk ever tested for drugs in HIS system????

There weren't any warrants to get a drug test from Kirk, so I'd guess no (at least as part of the investigation).

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What might that have told about Prince's death do you think?

luvsexy4all said:

was Kirk ever tested for drugs in HIS system????

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

I can't answer every single detail of who was what when or how because noone to date has answered all those questions with facts. All I know is according to his ads Kornfield is a pain specialist and an addiction specialist. What Prince knew, I don't know. What I know is he went to Dr. S for a full workup that Wednesday afternoon and that Thursday morning that same doctor showed up at PP with the results, it's in the warrants. Why the workup? I don't know, but it has been suggested it was because of expectation of Kornfield's arrival. Is that true? I don't know. I assume that Dr. Kornfield and Prince never spoke to each other. The attorney is there to protect his client so whatever he is saying is for the benefit of his client so maybe he's being very careful in how he words things, I don't know. But he is relaying all the information basically 3rd hand so some details could easily be missing. Many people have stated their discomfort about Andrew's arrival, personally I'm fine with the explanation that was given, life just works like that sometimes, if the Dr. had another client who was in an emergency situation then he'd be unprofessional to drop that client to go running off across the country. I wouldn't trust him as a client if I knew he did such things. He sent his son because he was the closest person who knew his father's methods. As far as I'm concerned the fact remains it was all too late anyway.

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I'm with you on most of what you said, except for the actions of Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. I don't believe what they did was professional or ethical, at all. I have no doubt that they were all trying to help Prince, and Dr. Schulenberg included, but their methods are perplexing, to say the least. Many other healthcare professionals and addiction specialists have commented the same and questioned why Andrew was carrying drugs over state lines that he was not authorized to carry.

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Attorney Mauzy said Dr. Schulenberg cleared his schedule to meet with Prince on the 21st, but it was my understanding that Prince was aware Dr. Schulenberg was bringing him test results that day. But, I don't think he was aware that Andrew was going to be there.

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The attorney is only doing his job and what is best for his client, and I understand that. The fact that Andrew made the 911 Call, means he won't be held accountable for anything.

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It's all just very sad and it didn't have to end the way it did.

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If anything, it will be a lesson learned for Dr. Kornfeld and Andrew, and other doctor's as well.

If this Dr's peers are questioning then I definitely concede to their knowledge because all of this is brand new to me. I was completely blown away about the extent of the epidemic. I'm just working with what's been leaked so far. Now as far as carrying the drugs across statelines being illegal, well yeah, but there are too many times where it gets to be a matter of right and wrong versus legal and illegal. Just because it's illegal does it mean it's wrong, kind of thinking. So what Andrew did I'm not sure about it being so wrong if they felt the situation was desperate enough which it obviously was here we are. He at least had a clear head when stuff had hit the wall, so I'm more thankful to him than mad. I think this is what makes people not even want to help people, because if all doesn't come out ok, then people start pulling out law books to destroy careers, I think that's gotten out of hand. I mean it's like me giving my Aunt insulin injections, legally either she supposed to be doing it herself or a licensed nurse should be, but I'm family so there is leeway I know that. But for instance, she can't remember to take them and she's doesn't want strangers touching her, so what am I supposed to do, let her keel over to make sure I follow every single letter of the law?

disch said:

There weren't any warrants to get a drug test from Kirk, so I'd guess no (at least as part of the investigation).

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What might that have told about Prince's death do you think?

luvsexy4all said:

was Kirk ever tested for drugs in HIS system????

see if he took ANY pills/medication that Prince didnt take

ChocolateBox3121 said:

littlemissG said:

The last two years has convinced me of one thing; of the two Princes -the consumer product Prince vs. the man Prince, the man decided to protect the product. Can not promote the thousands of professional photographs taken yearly, sexual machine, and I haven’t really aged story if it was known he hurts worst than your Grandpa getting out of bed. I am sorry we couldn’t just let him be human. [Edited 4/5/18 6:49am]

You know what I find weird too, Vanity's last posting on her instagram in 2014.

morningsong said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

You know what I find weird too, Vanity's last posting on her instagram in 2014.

WTF is that supposed to be?

Rebeljuice said:

I dunno. It doesnt matter how much I try and make sense of it all, I am always led back to the conclusion that it is just a sad story of someone losing control and making irrational decisions. We are all trying to understand why this and that happened the way it did. And the more we grasp at strawers, the more we concoct elaborate stories to explain the non-connected dots.

For whatever reasons, Prince embarked on a self medicating journey that led to addiction. I have no doubt he didn't want it this way and like any addict he probably felt like he had it under control. And also like millions of people in the same boat, what started as a medical neccesity eventually turned into an uncontrollable monster.

We cant make head nor tale of some of the circumstances leading up to his death. We are trying to fit round pegs into square holes to try and create a narrative that makes sense. But the truth is, trying to decipher the why's and how's of an addict's actions is pointless. Why reach for the same pills that nearly killed you a week prior? Why switch off the security cameras? Why send out cryptic emails about your possible demise to loved ones? Why buy drugs from illicit sources knowing the dangers? Why put your clothes on backwards? Why refuse any medical help? Why keep everything from your friends and family?

At the end of the day there are no straight answers to any of those questions. Addiction is not rational.

Personally I think Prince was trying to get to grips with it. I think he tried withdrawing on his own several times. I think that the pills he was taking were fucking up his liver and stomach. He knew all this yet still OD'd twice in a week. Nothing untoward to look at here. The nonsensical decisions, the fucked up timelines and the weird actions of others all stems from addiction losing control and the addicted losing the fight.

For me, knowing that Prince pushed himself to the very end for the sake of his art is the silver lining to this dark cloud. Prince knew the dangers he was facing taking the pills he did. He knew where it might end up. Yet he did it to keep going. To get one last album or one last tour when he really should have his feet up retired and recouperating. The pain he was in, the damage he caused to his body over trhe years necessitated that he slow down and take a long rest. But that wasn't Prince. So he pushed and pushed and took whatever was required to keep pushing... Better to burn out than fade away.

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I think this more than anything else.

muleFunk said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Stir the pot? I'm only trying to have a conversation about something that is of importance, if anyone cares to discuss.

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I find it odd that all those pills were laying around PP after the Moline emergency....very odd, and I have no idea why Prince would do that. Kirk knows exactly what was going on with Prince, because he had Rx for Percocet written in his name and was giving them to Prince. This is why Kirk hired a lawyer, because he's not going to answer questions.

Fentanyl was not the cause of what happened on the plane.

That's why people need to pay close attention to the narrative of what happened.

Fentanyl did not show up on the medical reports before the autopsy and the autopsy showed that there was no long term use prior to the fatal dose.

When you realize this you will start to get real upset.

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benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

this makes sense. Perhaps, Prince's usage was mostly percocets but the acetaminophen was wrecking his liver and he knew it. He may not have known that the pills he was purchasing against doctor's wishes were stronger than he thought and OD'd on them that night. Like I said, maybe all they tested for was percocet or vicodin and didn't bother with other tests. The test results that he was waiting for might have been from the hospital but not the right tests to discover the tainted pills. Prince's liver might have been shot andmaybe he knew it and tried to OD on what he thought was Percocet but ended up overkilling himself with pills tainted with fentanyl. Although the cops don't think it was suicide maybe it is still considered (homicide by way of drug dealers who throw fentanyl in wrongly labeled pills) because Prince may have had a change of heart and attempted to rectify what he did when he entered the elevator. In other words, a percocet OD could have been treatable, a fentanyl OD was most definitely not. I bring up suicide becuase I am not at the murder conspiracy stage and am trying to account for the massive amount found in his body.

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I can't go with the idea of suicide. Everything that we know about Prince, regardless of how he was feeling, goes against the idea of suicide. Suicide is considered to be self-murder, and is against God's law, Prince just wouldn't have done it, no matter what was going with him.

As for murder, I'm of the opinion that those that mailed him the pills, gave him the pills, are responsible. I believe it would be more of a case of manslaughter than murder. I don't think that anyone had it in their head to kill Prince. However, involuntary manslaughter by supplying him the pills that contained the fentanyl I can see. Now, if it's shown they knew the pills had fentanyl in them, then by all means, it could be murder.

Regarding the amount of fentanyl in his system, if he was buying the pills online through the black market, there is no regulation on how they cut those pills. One pill could have been enough to put an extremely large dose of fentanyl into his system, depending upon how they cut them. If he had thought they were okay, he could have taken two pills and it would have been even worse. Without those regulations to guarantee that what you are buying on the black market is safe, then you run the risk of getting pills that have huge amounts of fentanyl in them, or pills with barely any fentanyl in them, or none at all. You run the risk of some pills having exceedingly high acetaminophen or oxycodone, but none of them will be consistent in their ingredients.

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Anyone who buys drugs off the street can not possibly think they are safe and/or legit.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm with you on most of what you said, except for the actions of Dr. Kornfeld and his Son, Andrew. I don't believe what they did was professional or ethical, at all. I have no doubt that they were all trying to help Prince, and Dr. Schulenberg included, but their methods are perplexing, to say the least. Many other healthcare professionals and addiction specialists have commented the same and questioned why Andrew was carrying drugs over state lines that he was not authorized to carry.

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Attorney Mauzy said Dr. Schulenberg cleared his schedule to meet with Prince on the 21st, but it was my understanding that Prince was aware Dr. Schulenberg was bringing him test results that day. But, I don't think he was aware that Andrew was going to be there.

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The attorney is only doing his job and what is best for his client, and I understand that. The fact that Andrew made the 911 Call, means he won't be held accountable for anything.

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It's all just very sad and it didn't have to end the way it did.

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If anything, it will be a lesson learned for Dr. Kornfeld and Andrew, and other doctor's as well.

If this Dr's peers are questioning then I definitely concede to their knowledge because all of this is brand new to me. I was completely blown away about the extent of the epidemic. I'm just working with what's been leaked so far. Now as far as carrying the drugs across statelines being illegal, well yeah, but there are too many times where it gets to be a matter of right and wrong versus legal and illegal. Just because it's illegal does it mean it's wrong, kind of thinking. So what Andrew did I'm not sure about it being so wrong if they felt the situation was desperate enough which it obviously was here we are. He at least had a clear head when stuff had hit the wall, so I'm more thankful to him than mad. I think this is what makes people not even want to help people, because if all doesn't come out ok, then people start pulling out law books to destroy careers, I think that's gotten out of hand. I mean it's like me giving my Aunt insulin injections, legally either she supposed to be doing it herself or a licensed nurse should be, but I'm family so there is leeway I know that. But for instance, she can't remember to take them and she's doesn't want strangers touching her, so what am I supposed to do, let her keel over to make sure I follow every single letter of the law?

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Accountability needs to start with these doctor's prescribing pain meds and treating patients with addiction and pain management. I've read countless articles about doctor's who are going to prison for over-prescribing and ultimately killing their patients. Things need to change.

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In the case of your Aunt; there is nothing wrong with giving her insulin, if she can't do it for herself or can't remember. She has a legal prescription for it, so that's a different story.

littlemissG said:

The problem with letting some one make decisions about how to treat their drug addiction is the addiction makes the decisions. Thus no hospitalization after returning to Paisley. He should have gone directly to a world class treatment center, but he was still in charge, and the call for help to Kornfield was probably not his idea. RIP [Edited 4/6/18 8:32am]

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luvsexy4all said:

was Kirk ever tested for drugs in HIS system????

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I wonder why Kirk was being prescribed Percocet?

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If he was getting Percocet from Dr. S and then giving them to Prince, that was the wrong thing to do. Never, ever do you give a Rx prescribed to you, to another person.

There's no info that Kirk was being prescribed Percocet for his own use. Per the 9/12/16 warrant, "Kirk Johnson had only one [prescription], Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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(After the warrant was unsealed, Dr S denied prescribing Prince opioids under Kirk's name).

cloveringold85 said:

luvsexy4all said:

was Kirk ever tested for drugs in HIS system????

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I wonder why Kirk was being prescribed Percocet?

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If he was getting Percocet from Dr. S and then giving them to Prince, that was the wrong thing to do. Never, ever do you give a Rx prescribed to you, to another person.

disch said:

Mulefunk, you're made many claims about things being in the autopsy etc. We've all seen the public autopsy summary and it makes no mention one way or the other of Prince's history with fentanyl (or any drug). Are you claiming you've seen that info in the full autopsy? if so, how did you access that document?

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As for "fentanyl not showing up in the medical reports before the autopsy," which of his medical reports have you accessed and how? Or did you get that info from this AP article that states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests." That's not exactly the same thing.

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muleFunk said:

Fentanyl was not the cause of what happened on the plane.

That's why people need to pay close attention to the narrative of what happened.

Fentanyl did not show up on the medical reports before the autopsy and the autopsy showed that there was no long term use prior to the fatal dose.

When you realize this you will start to get real upset.

Yet you believe the same sources that leaked this information to the AP?

The same sources that are leaking their information to the AP leaked their information to me.

Yet no one is questioning the sources from the AP?

No one is asking WHY did it take a year for the mainstream media to follow up on the KTSP report revealing the same information about the levels of Fentanyl in the man's system.

According to one of those sources the hair sample revealed no long term use of Fentanyl in his system and also according to that source they were looking for those traces after the discovery of the Fentanyl in those pills.

The same people who question what I and others have posted on this subject want to paint the druggie Prince angle that is appearing in these so called documentaries appearing on these cable channels.

Now a real reporter would know that you don't reveal sources.

disch said:

There's no info that Kirk was being prescribed Percocet for his own use. Per the 9/12/16 warrant, "Kirk Johnson had only one [prescription], Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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(After the warrant was unsealed, Dr S denied prescribing Prince opioids under Kirk's name).

cloveringold85 said:

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I wonder why Kirk was being prescribed Percocet?

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If he was getting Percocet from Dr. S and then giving them to Prince, that was the wrong thing to do. Never, ever do you give a Rx prescribed to you, to another person.

That is 100% correct.

Now have you found out what prescriptions Dr. Schulenberg prescribed Prince/Kirk/? on April 20 that Prince supposedly got from Walgreens?

Here is another thing that has not been discussed much...

If Kirk was the drug mule for Prince then the DEA/Minnesota L.E.s would be able to track prescriptions prescribed to Johnson. If there was some type of alarming number Johnson/Dr. S. would be in jail now.

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

If this Dr's peers are questioning then I definitely concede to their knowledge because all of this is brand new to me. I was completely blown away about the extent of the epidemic. I'm just working with what's been leaked so far. Now as far as carrying the drugs across statelines being illegal, well yeah, but there are too many times where it gets to be a matter of right and wrong versus legal and illegal. Just because it's illegal does it mean it's wrong, kind of thinking. So what Andrew did I'm not sure about it being so wrong if they felt the situation was desperate enough which it obviously was here we are. He at least had a clear head when stuff had hit the wall, so I'm more thankful to him than mad. I think this is what makes people not even want to help people, because if all doesn't come out ok, then people start pulling out law books to destroy careers, I think that's gotten out of hand. I mean it's like me giving my Aunt insulin injections, legally either she supposed to be doing it herself or a licensed nurse should be, but I'm family so there is leeway I know that. But for instance, she can't remember to take them and she's doesn't want strangers touching her, so what am I supposed to do, let her keel over to make sure I follow every single letter of the law?

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Accountability needs to start with these doctor's prescribing pain meds and treating patients with addiction and pain management. I've read countless articles about doctor's who are going to prison for over-prescribing and ultimately killing their patients. Things need to change.

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In the case of your Aunt; there is nothing wrong with giving her insulin, if she can't do it for herself or can't remember. She has a legal prescription for it, so that's a different story.

The way I first heard it was supposed to go down was that Andrew was supposed to meet with Prince and if he agreed to whatever the terms of the treatment were, then go to a doctor to administer the meds, he was carrying them because MN doesn't supply them. They never met, so outside of the whole he wasn't supposed to be carrying meds across statelines I'm not sure what I supposed to be blaming him for.

I'm wondering if Prince was in one of his long early morning phone convos with someone who went into action after they hung up. The 6am thing has me mystified since I don't think anyone shows up for work at PP at that time.

morningsong said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

You know what I find weird too, Vanity's last posting on her instagram in 2014.

i know the information i provide is 100% correct because i cite (link to) my sources (now, the sources may have it wrong, but I know that I'm correctly relaying what these sources have said).

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As for your question about the 4/20 prescriptions, I know what was in the 6/8 warrant (we've discussed this many times here): "Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication."

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While it's not writtin in a crystal-clear way, it sounds like those drugs were prescribed on 4/20. They are anti-anxiety drugs that are all part of an opioid-withdrawal protocol; Clonidine in particular is a standard withdrawal treatment. (Note that these drugs were not among those inventoried from PP, so that's a bit of a mystery).

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And to be accurate: There is no information that those 4/20 drugs were prescribed under Kirk's name. The only info we have connecting any of Kirk's prescriptions to Prince are 1) the warrant info about the 4/14 oxycoode and 2) the 2 prescription bottles found at PP with kirk's name, one for Vitamin D2 and one for Ondansetron (an anti-nausea). Both bottles, dated 4/7/16, contained different drugs than what was on the label. We don't how those bottles ended up at PP.

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I answered your questions; will you answer mine? Namely: You imply that you have read non-public documentation about Prince's death (full autopsy, etc.). Have you?

muleFunk said:

disch said:

There's no info that Kirk was being prescribed Percocet for his own use. Per the 9/12/16 warrant, "Kirk Johnson had only one [prescription], Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy."

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(After the warrant was unsealed, Dr S denied prescribing Prince opioids under Kirk's name).

That is 100% correct.

Now have you found out what prescriptions Dr. Schulenberg prescribed Prince/Kirk/? on April 20 that Prince supposedly got from Walgreens?

[Edited 4/6/18 13:34pm]

Real reporters typically do reveal their sources. If you feel you cannot, then you must explain to your audience why that is and give enough information to establish credibilty.

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And I didn't say whether or not I believe the AP story (for the record, that particular sentence in the AP story is very poorly written -- connecting the fentanyl test to the very obvious facts that he "took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died" makes no sense) but the AP has established credibility generally as reporters that you have not. Are you implying that people here should give you as much trust as they give the Associated Press when it comes to claims that you have direct access to sources? Mule, I don't even know your real name.

muleFunk said:

disch said:

Mulefunk, you're made many claims about things being in the autopsy etc. We've all seen the public autopsy summary and it makes no mention one way or the other of Prince's history with fentanyl (or any drug). Are you claiming you've seen that info in the full autopsy? if so, how did you access that document?

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As for "fentanyl not showing up in the medical reports before the autopsy," which of his medical reports have you accessed and how? Or did you get that info from this AP article that states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests." That's not exactly the same thing.

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Yet you believe the same sources that leaked this information to the AP?

The same sources that are leaking their information to the AP leaked their information to me.

Yet no one is questioning the sources from the AP?

No one is asking WHY did it take a year for the mainstream media to follow up on the KTSP report revealing the same information about the levels of Fentanyl in the man's system.

According to one of those sources the hair sample revealed no long term use of Fentanyl in his system and also according to that source they were looking for those traces after the discovery of the Fentanyl in those pills.

The same people who question what I and others have posted on this subject want to paint the druggie Prince angle that is appearing in these so called documentaries appearing on these cable channels.

Now a real reporter would know that you don't reveal sources.

[Edited 4/6/18 14:11pm]

If there's any doctor to question it would be Dr S. He actually treated Prince in his final weeks -- including just hours before he died. He would have been in a position to intervene medically with Prince at that crucial time, not Dr K. Some people are like, Dr K should've had Prince get local care after he was called on 4/20! But the thing is: Prince did! Dr S saw him at a hospital on 4/20, giving him an intravenous treatment, tests and scripts. And I bet Prince assured everyone he was fine after that, much as in the plane incident.

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And re: the 6am call: I bet that was not a normal day at PP. I think Prince was in a medical crisis (personally, I think it was severe withdrawal) and perhaps the phone-caller had been there all night long.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Accountability needs to start with these doctor's prescribing pain meds and treating patients with addiction and pain management. I've read countless articles about doctor's who are going to prison for over-prescribing and ultimately killing their patients. Things need to change.

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In the case of your Aunt; there is nothing wrong with giving her insulin, if she can't do it for herself or can't remember. She has a legal prescription for it, so that's a different story.

The way I first heard it was supposed to go down was that Andrew was supposed to meet with Prince and if he agreed to whatever the terms of the treatment were, then go to a doctor to administer the meds, he was carrying them because MN doesn't supply them. They never met, so outside of the whole he wasn't supposed to be carrying meds across statelines I'm not sure what I supposed to be blaming him for.

I'm wondering if Prince was in one of his long early morning phone convos with someone who went into action after they hung up. The 6am thing has me mystified since I don't think anyone shows up for work at PP at that time.

[Edited 4/6/18 14:14pm]

muleFunk said:

disch said:

Mulefunk, you're made many claims about things being in the autopsy etc. We've all seen the public autopsy summary and it makes no mention one way or the other of Prince's history with fentanyl (or any drug). Are you claiming you've seen that info in the full autopsy? if so, how did you access that document?

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As for "fentanyl not showing up in the medical reports before the autopsy," which of his medical reports have you accessed and how? Or did you get that info from this AP article that states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests." That's not exactly the same thing.

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Yet you believe the same sources that leaked this information to the AP?

The same sources that are leaking their information to the AP leaked their information to me.

Yet no one is questioning the sources from the AP?

No one is asking WHY did it take a year for the mainstream media to follow up on the KTSP report revealing the same information about the levels of Fentanyl in the man's system.

According to one of those sources the hair sample revealed no long term use of Fentanyl in his system and also according to that source they were looking for those traces after the discovery of the Fentanyl in those pills.

The same people who question what I and others have posted on this subject want to paint the druggie Prince angle that is appearing in these so called documentaries appearing on these cable channels.

Now a real reporter would know that you don't reveal sources.

Oh Baby, now you're talking about something I know a LOT about. A "real reporter" doesn't dump bits and pieces of a story into the public domain unless and until every page, paragraph and word is check, double-checked and verified until the cows come home (no offense) OR you risk getting laughed out of the profession. Call me old school.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

Oh Baby, now you're talking about something I know a LOT about. A "real reporter" doesn't dump bits and pieces of a story into the public domain unless and until every page, paragraph and word is check, double-checked and verified until the cows come home (no offense) OR you risk getting laughed out of the profession. Call me old school.

But we are not running a newspaper here right but we have reporters, TMZ, and docudrama directors here all the time looking for information especially those who joined after Prince's untimely passing.

disch said:

Real reporters typically do reveal their sources. If you feel you cannot, then you must explain to your audience why that is and give enough information to establish credibilty.

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And I didn't say whether or not I believe the AP story (for the record, that particular sentence in the AP story is very poorly written -- connecting the fentanyl test to the very obvious facts that he "took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died" makes no sense) but the AP has established credibility generally as reporters that you have not. Are you implying that people here should give you as much trust as they give the Associated Press when it comes to claims that you have direct access to sources? Mule, I don't even know your real name.

muleFunk said:

[Edited 4/6/18 14:11pm]

I'm like Ripley .... Believe It or Not.

If you wanted to know who I am it's not hard to find out.

As far as credibility I am just as credible as you are and anyone else here on a site that uses fake names.

muleFunk said:

disch said:

If there's any doctor to question it would be Dr S. He actually treated Prince in his final weeks -- including just hours before he died. He would have been in a position to intervene medically with Prince at that crucial time, not Dr K. Some people are like, Dr K should've had Prince get local care after he was called on 4/20! But the thing is: Prince did! Dr S saw him at a hospital on 4/20, giving him an intravenous treatment, tests and scripts. And I bet Prince assured everyone he was fine after that, much as in the plane incident.

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And re: the 6am call: I bet that was not a normal day at PP. I think Prince was in a medical crisis (personally, I think it was severe withdrawal) and perhaps the phone-caller had been there all night long.

morningsong said:

The way I first heard it was supposed to go down was that Andrew was supposed to meet with Prince and if he agreed to whatever the terms of the treatment were, then go to a doctor to administer the meds, he was carrying them because MN doesn't supply them. They never met, so outside of the whole he wasn't supposed to be carrying meds across statelines I'm not sure what I supposed to be blaming him for.

I'm wondering if Prince was in one of his long early morning phone convos with someone who went into action after they hung up. The 6am thing has me mystified since I don't think anyone shows up for work at PP at that time.

[Edited 4/6/18 14:14pm]

I agree with you. I'm stuck at he made the choice of taking the other over what was gotten for him on another prescript. Why? Maybe everyone believed the other stuff was gone and assumed everything was cool til morning.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

morningsong said:

You know what I find weird too, Vanity's last posting on her instagram in 2014.

Yeah, it's like what in the world is that supposed to mean?

benni said:

disch said:

Interesting info, benni. To me this makes it seem very unlikely Percocet triggered his plane emergency, because that incident was an opioid OD and "it’s also possible to overdose on the oxycodone [opioid] found in Percocet, but this requires taking enough Percocet that you’d be having issues with the acetaminophen already." Nothing in the description of that night sounds like he was having major "acetaminphen issues" (abdominal pain and vomiting).

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His OD was severe and sudden, so he really would have had to take a whole lot of Percocet pills all at once for that reaction, and that would have triggered those other problems first, apparantly.

[Edited 4/5/18 22:14pm]

I don't think it was Percocet OD the night of the plane incident either. According to item I had posted, it can take up to 12 hours before symptoms of a Percocet overdose appears. And there was no indication during the concert that he was on anything. Now, towards the end of the 10PM concert that night, he wasn't looking real well. I had moved closer to the stage and thought he looked grey, and did feel concerned, but I also put it down to the possible lighting. For him to have OD'd on the plane only a couple of hours later, then we should have seen some indication during the concert that he was on something, a lot of something. And it's just not there.

[Edited 4/5/18 22:50pm]

I am supplying the link below to Medline which is the US National Library of Medicine along with a paragraph from the article on opiates and opiate withdrawal. After reading this, I wondered if the plane incident could have been this type of situation. The reason why I think this might be the scenario is because it was mentioned in the warrants that Prince was attempting to withdraw from drugs.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000949.htm

"The biggest complication is returning to drug use. Most opiate overdose deaths occur in people who have just detoxed. Withdrawal reduces the person's tolerance to the drug, so those who have just gone through withdrawal can overdose on a much smaller dose than they used to take."

morningsong said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Yeah, it's like what in the world is that supposed to mean?

I communicated with Denise so I won't have any further comments about her..

muleFunk said: