I think he dabbled on and off with drugs for years. Mayte said that her pain pills would come up missing, Mani made the comparison to Charlie Sheen and of course his use of Ecstasy when he pulled the Black Album off.

I would really love nothing more than for this just to be over, wrapped up in a neat little bow of something that makes some kind of fucking sense to me. That's why for the last 21 months, I've tried avoiding the discussions on this as much as I could. But here we are and 1 + 1 + 1 DOES NOT = 3!

why was kirk MORE interested in saving his ass...by disapearing right after and THEN not talk about anything cause he MIGHT look guilty?

jaawwnn said:

luvsexy4all said:

rogifan said:

purplefam99 said:

rogifan said:

Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.

Yep my non Prince fan peeps are not burning my ears up with Prince talk of any kind.

All my non Prince friends, said that he was a druggie, and what did I expect.

cloveringold85 said:

No it was confirmed in the warrant that he ODed on opioids but not the specific kind

donnyenglish said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, but Prince O.D. in Moline and it wasn't Fentanyl that time.

Do we know if he had fentanyl in his system in Moline?

luvsexy4all said:

donnyenglish said:

XxAxX said:

Mumio said:

This info re the MD and the prescription came out long ago, I believe when the search warrants came out?

yes it did. so? you mean i shouldn't have posted what i was thinking? oops. too late I already did. as you were.

No. I wasn't sure you realized that it wasn't anything recent.

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said:

why was kirk MORE interested in saving his ass...by disapearing right after and THEN not talk about anything cause he MIGHT look guilty?

Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

Very good questions that I can honestly say, I do not know the answers to. Because on top of EVERYTHING Prince EVER was and did, for damn near 40 years. In the span of two weeks time-- he suddenly became just another drug addicted junkie musician-- that succumbed to detriment of his own vices. While all those that actually were, would, should, and could have been there-- FOR Prince-- when it mstttered MOST of all...WERE NOT!

Militant said:

cloveringold85 said:

And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.

Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.

Yeah.....thanks for that Militant. Some of the remarks here make it clear that many don't really get who we are talking about.

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said:

why was kirk MORE interested in saving his ass...by disapearing right after and THEN not talk about anything cause he MIGHT look guilty?

Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

Good post OperatingThetan. Kirk protected him and I do believe took heat for him over this. Willingly.

What's the significant development then?

Mumio said:

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said:


Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

Good post OperatingThetan. Kirk protected him and I do believe took heat for him over this. Willingly.

I dont think Prince intended for anyone to be blamed for his death.

Mumio said:

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said:


Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

Good post OperatingThetan. Kirk protected him and I do believe took heat for him over this. Willingly.

I'm sure Kirk was his friend and would have done anything Prince asked. The interview where Kirk laughed when questioned, is pretty sickening at face value. But why did he laugh? Is he some kind of heartless, murdering scum bag? Or had he been insistent prior to the interview that he wasn't gogin to answer any questions relating to Prince and drugs. Maybe he'd told them a dozen times that he wasn't going to answer those questions, then the cameras roll and suddenly it's, "So, about them drugs"

TheEnglishGent said:

Mumio said:

Good post OperatingThetan. Kirk protected him and I do believe took heat for him over this. Willingly.

I'm sure Kirk was his friend and would have done anything Prince asked. The interview where Kirk laughed when questioned, is pretty sickening at face value. But why did he laugh? Is he some kind of heartless, murdering scum bag? Or had he been insistent prior to the interview that he wasn't gogin to answer any questions relating to Prince and drugs. Maybe he'd told them a dozen times that he wasn't going to answer those questions, then the cameras roll and suddenly it's, "So, about them drugs"

I had exactly the same thoughts Mr English Gent..

for sure he was prepped for the interview and then WHAMMY

I saw his behaviour as being incredulous that they even went there...

As if he would disclose anything...

littlemissG said:

This is to all the people on this thread who keep saying: "Prince was not known to be an addict." You know, to you maybe, YOU never heard anything about it. YOU've not been around to witness such things. And you also never witnessed him being spaced out in concerts. I get it. But YOU also don't know if he took something, YOU also don't know when it all started. Was it in the 80's? Was it first in the 90's? Who knows? Not you obviously, 'cause you been just on the sideline, you are fans. We fans don't know the man, never did and we'll never get the chance to know him.

Now, we could argue who, of all the people who've been around him, knew him really. They can only tell what they witnessed when they've been around him. Duane, or his sister, both are dead. They said that Prince was abusing Pain Pills in the 80's. Now some of y'all say they been not credible, 'cause they've been druggies as well, so they talk shit. Okay, okay, we let that pass, discrediting people 'cause they are addicts, so all they telling are lies. OKAY.

But what about Mayte? She getting shit for thinking back now, thinking about all the things she witnessed. Questioning everything now that Prince died of an overdose. Was it really a mirgaine or was it something else? Now, she never said he was an addict, 'cause he doesn't fall in the picture of an addict. But she also said she's not so sure what to think about the incidents she mentioned in her book. She also confirmed the OD in 1996. She's trying to make sense of it all.

And she's not the only one. Think about it, I remember some months ago, there was a thread about a woman who was in his band in 2011 and she told us that there were some incidents back then. She also said, that if she was there, Prince would still be here.

You know, I'm not okay with her throwing others under the bus, because ultimately, Prince was a grown man. It was his life. He overdosed just five days before and he still took them ilicit drugs. Like, damn, did he even think about it? What was going thru his mind? We'll never know, since we can't read people's minds.

All I'm trying to say it this: Y'all can say that he wasn't an addict, or didn't even abuse drugs. But you got now insight. And still there are people around him saying that there were incidents. Some of y'all refuse to believe that. Even if the evidence clearly points to drug abuse, you take the turn to some crazy ass theories, 'cause everyone else but Prince is guilty. Prince was innocent. Kirk is to blame for leaving him alone, Kirk is to blame, 'cause his name was on the bottles. Tyka is to blame 'cause she didn't react, instead, she was waiting. Now, for what was she waiting? Well, if you know someone who's an addict, or just abusing drugs, you know that, no matter how hard you try to get them to rehab, they most likely won't do it. So what else was left to do?

This might sound hard, but come on! Y'all know the stories from his people, we know that NOBODY could make him do things he didn't agree with. NOBODY. So what was left for Kirk if Prince told him the leave? He could've stayed, but Prince would've probably called the police to throw him out.

We don't know if he was an addict, or just abusing drugs, but the evidence the police found and the statements of some people point to it. Now, does it really matter WHY he abused them drugs? Is really important to know if it was only joint pain, or if it was some terminal illness? If you're honest with yourself, you'd say no. 'Cause the outcome is the same, Prince died of an accidental OD, Period. The reason for the abuse doesn't really matter now.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

So what was left for Kirk if Prince told him the leave? He could've stayed, but Prince would've probably called the police to throw him out.

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He could have called the doctor, the police, etc.

Especially if he knew there was a chance of him trying illicit stuff again.

udo said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

So what was left for Kirk if Prince told him the leave? He could've stayed, but Prince would've probably called the police to throw him out.

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He could have called the doctor, the police, etc.

Especially if he knew there was a chance of him trying illicit stuff again.

Well, okay this is good point.

ThatWhiteDude said:

This is to all the people on this thread who keep saying: "Prince was not known to be an addict." You know, to you maybe, YOU never heard anything about it. YOU've not been around to witness such things. And you also never witnessed him being spaced out in concerts. I get it. But YOU also don't know if he took something, YOU also don't know when it all started. Was it in the 80's? Was it first in the 90's? Who knows? Not you obviously, 'cause you been just on the sideline, you are fans. We fans don't know the man, never did and we'll never get the chance to know him.

Now, we could argue who, of all the people who've been around him, knew him really. They can only tell what they witnessed when they've been around him. Duane, or his sister, both are dead. They said that Prince was abusing Pain Pills in the 80's. Now some of y'all say they been not credible, 'cause they've been druggies as well, so they talk shit. Okay, okay, we let that pass, discrediting people 'cause they are addicts, so all they telling are lies. OKAY.

But what about Mayte? She getting shit for thinking back now, thinking about all the things she witnessed. Questioning everything now that Prince died of an overdose. Was it really a mirgaine or was it something else? Now, she never said he was an addict, 'cause he doesn't fall in the picture of an addict. But she also said she's not so sure what to think about the incidents she mentioned in her book. She also confirmed the OD in 1996. She's trying to make sense of it all.

And she's not the only one. Think about it, I remember some months ago, there was a thread about a woman who was in his band in 2011 and she told us that there were some incidents back then. She also said, that if she was there, Prince would still be here.

You know, I'm not okay with her throwing others under the bus, because ultimately, Prince was a grown man. It was his life. He overdosed just five days before and he still took them ilicit drugs. Like, damn, did he even think about it? What was going thru his mind? We'll never know, since we can't read people's minds.

All I'm trying to say it this: Y'all can say that he wasn't an addict, or didn't even abuse drugs. But you got now insight. And still there are people around him saying that there were incidents. Some of y'all refuse to believe that. Even if the evidence clearly points to drug abuse, you take the turn to some crazy ass theories, 'cause everyone else but Prince is guilty. Prince was innocent. Kirk is to blame for leaving him alone, Kirk is to blame, 'cause his name was on the bottles. Tyka is to blame 'cause she didn't react, instead, she was waiting. Now, for what was she waiting? Well, if you know someone who's an addict, or just abusing drugs, you know that, no matter how hard you try to get them to rehab, they most likely won't do it. So what else was left to do?

This might sound hard, but come on! Y'all know the stories from his people, we know that NOBODY could make him do things he didn't agree with. NOBODY. So what was left for Kirk if Prince told him the leave? He could've stayed, but Prince would've probably called the police to throw him out.

We don't know if he was an addict, or just abusing drugs, but the evidence the police found and the statements of some people point to it. Now, does it really matter WHY he abused them drugs? Is really important to know if it was only joint pain, or if it was some terminal illness? If you're honest with yourself, you'd say no. 'Cause the outcome is the same, Prince died of an accidental OD, Period. The reason for the abuse doesn't really matter now.

[Edited 1/30/18 7:17am]

If someone were abusing pain pills ( I say abuse in that they never had an Rx ever) they would be dead from organ failure after 20 or 30 years.

No one on God's green earth would he have been able to get any work done. Look at Sly Stone he cannot put a sentence together or find the venue.

Estates cannot sue for defamation and yet we have not had one person say they say saw Prince high or taking drugs recreationally. Not one. The only person who has spoken about his use of pain pills was Tavis Smiley who said that Prince had severe pain and took pain meds for pain only.

I have not seen one person on this board state he did not struggle with these pain meds in the weeks before his death. It was said in the media immediatly that he was going thru withdrawals.

This was never a secret.

What many of us are saying based on information that is avalible is that somewhere along the way he started to struggle with other medical issues that may have increased his need for pain meds or forced him to immediately withdraw which is of course impossible.

Something else was going on with him other then pain pill addiction something that family and associates are hiding

These pills can cause many health issues and of course many health problems can cause exteme pain. There is nothing implausible about any theory that the public is not being told the whole truth about his health.

There is something awfully strange about the number of people who keep joining this board with the sole purpose of ignoring any and all health problems he might have had as if he was some magic person who never was going to have a health problem or who could have been abusing pain pill drugs for 40 years and had perfect functioing organs.

Even popping aspiran for migraines for 40 years is a bad deal for the organs.

I think he dabbled on and off with drugs for years. Mayte said that her pain pills would come up missing, Mani made the comparison to Charlie Sheen and of course his use of Ecstasywhen he pulled the Black Album off.

TheEnglishGent said:

Mumio said:

Good post OperatingThetan. Kirk protected him and I do believe took heat for him over this. Willingly.

I'm sure Kirk was his friend and would have done anything Prince asked. The interview where Kirk laughed when questioned, is pretty sickening at face value. But why did he laugh? Is he some kind of heartless, murdering scum bag? Or had he been insistent prior to the interview that he wasn't gogin to answer any questions relating to Prince and drugs. Maybe he'd told them a dozen times that he wasn't going to answer those questions, then the cameras roll and suddenly it's, "So, about them drugs"

Exactly. I have noticed that many people have chosen to look at his obvious discomfort during this interview as a sign of guilt but what you said here was my first thought when I saw it. That nervous laughter read "ambush" to me because that interview script probably wasn't what was agreed upon. I think it's common sense to realize he'd have never agreed to talk about any of that so not sure why people saw his behavior as a sign of guilt.

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said:

why was kirk MORE interested in saving his ass...by disapearing right after and THEN not talk about anything cause he MIGHT look guilty?

Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

The mind of an addict , specifically, one addicted for many years, is fraught with things unimaginable to a person who has a normal brain. This is a brain disease that has modified perceptions and thought processes in regards to wrong/right, moral/immoral , life/death.

The convenience of being a pathological liar, master manipulator and arbitrator of all things "self" ,is merely a by-product of mutated cells that are receptive to constant bombardment for reward.The incessant paradigm of someone addicted to drugs, is usually coupled with one rule that is adhered to. That rule is to get high to sustain every psychological and physical trigger throughout the day. Prince's reward system is no different in that regard. Death and destruction are usually the only path of escape once the addiction begins to override all things rational.

He used just about everyone around him to facilitate this disease, most of them being unknown participants. Prince is merely a victim of his own consequences. It matters not if he thought he was "self'medicating". His actions are in line with a person who has decided to let his addiction govern his actions.

Menes said:

OperatingThetan said:

luvsexy4all said: Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

The mind of an addict , specifically, one addicted for many years, is fraught with things unimaginable to a person who has a normal brain. This is a brain disease that has modified perceptions and thought processes in regards to wrong/right, moral/immoral , life/death.

The convenience of being a pathological liar, master manipulator and arbitrator of all things "self" ,is merely a by-product of mutated cells that are receptive to constant bombardment for reward.The incessant paradigm of someone addicted to drugs, is usually coupled with one rule that is adhered to. That rule is to get high to sustain every psychological and physical trigger throughout the day. Prince's reward system is no different in that regard. Death and destruction are usually the only path of escape once the addiction begins to override all things rational.

He used just about everyone around him to facilitate this disease, most of them being unknown participants. Prince is merely a victim of his own consequences. It matters not if he thought he was "self'medicating". His actions are in line with a person who has decided to let his addiction govern his actions.

You know this because you were hangin out in Paisley Park or because you copied this from a text book. I love the internet analysis. (LOL) I know you are really Claire. Prince's long lost wife that was married in a secret CIA ceremony.