laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

I kind of expected that. I heard that rumors has it that back in 2014; Prince was addicted to pain killers. But no one had done nothing to get this man the help that he desperately needed. Yes! Prince was a mega superstar. But at the end of the day. All the enbalers who just saw dollars signs. Their a special place that they are going to!

laurarichardson said:

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said: Of course reckless behavior is symptom of addiction. Unless I read you wrong, you and Militant are making an argument that Prince was engaging in “suicidal” behaviors, or purposely ending his life.

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

rogifan said:

lastdecember said:

Exactly!! I said this months ago that PRINCE and his death was dropped about a week later in the general public. This generation has the attention span of a fly, they go from event to event in seconds. I mean one second it was Kevin Spacey then Weinstein then Louis CK then it was like Spacey never even happened and CK was forgotten. PRINCE and his death did not linger in the public eye, we kept that going. For them it was a Drug OD case closed, it should have opened discussions more into Opioids and things like that BUT not with this public. Discussions?? nah we dont do that anymore, that was so 80's

To me this is more about some fans needing to know to give them closure. I figured out shortly after his passing that his family was going to keep as much private as possible so no point in looking to them for closure.

For me in my mind, he was addicted and also ashamed that he got to that point. I think this was 100% the reason he toured by himself at the end, i dont think it was a creative decision at all, I think he knew he could not have bands and dancers etc...all around him when he needed to take something. I totally think he was using while on that tour, he had to, in his head that was how he could get on stage. Fentanyl actually does not help pain in the long run, it creates the need for more, and then more and then more because the body suddenly becomes immune to the fentanyl that its like taking tic tacs.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

My opinion has always been quite simple: release the full autopsy report. It will stop a great deal of the speculation. What was wrong and what was he taking. Maybe, like Tom Petty, it was an unfortunate accident. Maybe it was a deliberate overdose because he was ill. I believe people around him enabled his drug use and behavior because he was their cash register. And I came to the conclusion long ago that he deliberately overdosed in the end because he was ill. JMO

Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.

Nowhere, it's just the fanatics with too much time on thier hands.

[Edited 1/29/18 13:48pm]

InThisBedIDream said:

InThisBedIDream said:

laurarichardson said:

InThisBedIDream said:

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

He was in a hospital and left. He could have stayed and they could have made him comfortable. He sent everyone away. He had the cameras removed. Hazelton was right down the street or he could have hired a nurse. He had access to real meds via a prescription. He made some decisions that day that set the wheels in motion. Where he was found is not relevant and has only made relevant by the media. Unfortunately many people have fallen for it and just parrot it back. He could have been found laying on the lobby floor what difference does that make? It has no bearing on the decisions he made that evening.

Without trying to be rude, don't bother, I'm bored.

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?

The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.

These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.

Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.

Goddammit Laura stop boondoggling my question with that speculative shit. I want actual details, not speculative replies. Are you beig paid to interfere with the investigation by fucking up and jacking threads? It sure seems like it. Can't help noticing you reply to every single person"s posts. Wtf is up with that????? Thanks for your reply now blast off and let me see if someone might have actual specific who, when, why details Please

Because she's a fanatic with too much time on her hands and she's not alone on this forum either.

Boondoggling,, Never heard that before.

InThisBedIDream said:

jdcxc said:

i know someone who knows someone who works at the security company. maybe another approach to obtaining info is required when we can't see the investigation file.

This investigation is so messed up and no one can fix it. A two-year investigation and this is what we end up with.

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I didn't particularly care for Kirk's attitude in that interview; the way he was laughing when asked serious questions?

donnyenglish said:

It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.

i have entertained that too. he kept P's business private for 30 yrs to him what is 30 more.

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.

And he still works at Paisley Park.

disch said:

I agree with that. The reality is: If, in the last weeks of his life, Prince had taken only the drugs prescribed uner Kirk's name, and none of the illegal stuff, he'd likely be alive today. It wasn't those prescription drugs that killed him.

donnyenglish said:

It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.

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Yea, but Prince O.D. in Moline and it wasn't Fentanyl that time.

Get mad at Prince for what? Committing suicide? OR Lying to fans and family all these years, and acting like he was a clean living person, who wouldn't even touch meat?

MrNelson7 said:

You have absolutely no idea how Kirk feels. You are talking about a man you have most likely never met, much less spent enough time with to know how he feels about his friend’s death. If you’re going to get mad at someone, get mad at Prince.

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.

Sorry if Kirk obtained pill illegally he would be in trouble however, I have been saying as have others that Prince had another illness and if that illness is documented Kirk and Dr. S are going to be in the clear. They could be charged but no jury would blame then if they were helping a person with a real medical problem who was dying.

Sorry for some of you but this is adding up to being something that is going to remain private and closed.

If some of us are wrong and there was no other illness I would think the evidence is just not there to convict Kirk. It would not mean he was not responsible because Prince would have found someone else.

[Edited 1/29/18 6:38am]

Unless Prince took (stole) those pills from Kirk.

InThisBedIDream said:

laurarichardson said:

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

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And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.

42Kristen said:

I kind of expected that. I heard that rumors has it that back in 2014; Prince was addicted to pain killers. But no one had done nothing to get this man the help that he desperately needed. Yes! Prince was a mega superstar. But at the end of the day. All the enbalers who just saw dollars signs. Their a special place that they are going to!

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If his so-called "friends" were getting Prince the help he needed, it came way too late.

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So, Prince just decided to take the illicit Fentanyl rather than get professional help for his opioid dependency? And, if he was "terminal", why not let the doctor's treat you and alleviate your pain, until it is time to go?

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Yea, I know this is Prince we are talking about and he was going to do it his way. He didn't want us crying. He didn't want hoards or people surrounding him in his final hours. He didn't want us to be sad. I get that....but, then again, we just don't know.

cloveringold85 said:

And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.

Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.

purplerabbithole said:

Covering their own asses and wanting to work off connections to his name. Sadly I am fed up with his associates right now. Maybe that will change. I hope. [Edited 1/29/18 8:58am]

I agree with you on that. I'm sick and tired of all these associates looking for nothing but the $$ now. Even Kim his hair dresser is selling stuff (that she obtained) in an auction. Everyone can say they are so 'loyal' by not saying what they know about his death, but they are all sure making the $$ now that he's dead.

Indeed.

Look at Bowie. He could have retired and might have lived a bit longer perhaps. But he lived to create. We're talking about true artists. If Prince had stopped performing and creating music and just taken it easy, he would have died on the inside.

InThisBedIDream said:

Nowhere, it's just the fanatics with too much time on thier hands.

[Edited 1/29/18 13:48pm]

Like you here on this forum? Too much time on your hands too? Almost every time you post, you are knocking some member of this forum.

jjam said: