precioux said:

1Sasha said:

Why are we fighting about this? Someone in Prince's Minnesota camp called someone in New York about Prince's condition. New York called California, and IIRC it was Phaedra or Rhonda who called Dr. Kornfeld. Andrew arrived late on the 20th or early on the 21st. He wasn't brought immediately to PP. I think Prince was already dead by then, but that is just my opinion. Am I wrong here in remembering this part of the timeline?

No, you are completely correct. And the question back then was WHY AK waited if the situation was dire?? Why, if he took a red eye flight and arrived at 6 a.m. Would he stop at the hotel to get his beauty rest or whatever the hell instead of heading straight to PP. He got in at 6 am (per flight log), but yet didn't show up to PP until 9:30..

Many of us have asked that question. According to Kornfield Prince was gravely ill but the help waits until the next day?

I still say Prince did not know this guy was coming or was not even planning on meeting with him.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

1Sasha said: No, you are completely correct. And the question back then was WHY AK waited if the situation was dire?? Why, if he took a red eye flight and arrived at 6 a.m. Would he stop at the hotel to get his beauty rest or whatever the hell instead of heading straight to PP. He got in at 6 am (per flight log), but yet didn't show up to PP until 9:30..

Many of us have asked that question. According to Kornfield Prince was gravely ill but the help waits until the next day?

I still say Prince did not know this guy was coming or was not even planning on meeting with him.

Remember we the public have very little information on what was suppose to happen at this meeing or if Prince was informed about Andrew.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I know what drug addiction is and I know when someone is repeating something they learned in school without speaking to the patient. All patients are different and all patients receive an evaluation for their issues no matter what the medial problem.

Who does not know this? Doctors, and Social Workers do not diagnose patients based on second hand info and media reports. You did not know Prince or what he was going thru. You know what others have said via the media and what we all read in a search warrant.

There is a real possibility that we only know one part of his situation with a whole chunk of info missing. ( Some addtional info is avalible that you do not even acknowledge because apparently when people have terminal illness they cannot go home and die without permission from a doctor or hospital)

Stop thinking that none of us on this board went past the 4th grade.

Hahahahaha . Right right right. Since you know what addiction is, is addiction a brain disease or not?

Well, by your sentence structures and vocabulary, it is quite evident that you went past the (4th) grade.

I know how to count money. I also think all this stuff about addiction being a disease is a bunch of bullshit. My opinion and I am not going to get into a long drawn out thing with you about it.

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, Prince killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that? Wasn't this outcome what he wanted?

laurarichardson said:

sexton said:

I never said it did. It was stated a doctor wasn't called before Prince died. I provided evidence that a doctor was indeed called.

We have no idea if a doctor was called before the 20th. Many of us are saying other things could have been done and they were not.

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1Sasha said:

Why are we fighting about this? Someone in Prince's Minnesota camp called someone in New York about Prince's condition. New York called California, and IIRC it was Phaedra or Rhonda who called Dr. Kornfeld. Andrew arrived late on the 20th or early on the 21st. He wasn't brought immediately to PP. I think Prince was already dead by then, but that is just my opinion. Am I wrong here in remembering this part of the timeline?

Yeah, I am wondering the same thing too Sometimes it's a good idea to step away for awhile.

disch said:

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, he killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that?

Nothing in my opinion

So in your view, not only COULD they not have done anything differently, they SHOULDN'T have, because that would have just been interefering with Prince's wishes.

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(I'm not agreeing with this. I'm just trying to understand the people, not necessarily you, who both think Prince planned his own death AND are angry at Kirk, Andrew, Dr. S, etc etc)

Mumio said:

disch said:

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, he killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that?

Nothing in my opinion

disch said:

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, Prince killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that? Wasn't this outcome what he wanted?

laurarichardson said:

We have no idea if a doctor was called before the 20th. Many of us are saying other things could have been done and they were not.

[Edited 1/30/18 11:20am]

I think it was the outcome he wanted. Other people were speculating about what was being done to help him. I do not think he wanted any help but other people seem to think he could of had help sooner.

My comments are if he was going to get help at all. Why did someone not just call the law on him or call in a welfare check? Instead of letting a gravely ill man leave a hosptial and go home by himself. ( If he had stayed in the hospital he would have been fine for dealing with the withdrawals). but he choose to leave.

You know I think No call to anyone was going to make a difference and I think at least one of those associates was aware of it.

Did you know on a message board a few months back someone had a brief clip of Meron in her car crying the night of the 20th and singing some song in her native language. What was she going home and crying about?

Menes said:

So in your view, not only COULD they not have done anything differently, they SHOULDN'T have, because that would have just been interefering with Prince's wishes.

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(I'm not agreeing with this. I'm just trying to understand the people, not necessarily you, who both think Prince planned his own death AND are angry at Kirk, Andrew, Dr. S, etc etc)

Mumio said:

disch said:

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, he killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that?

Nothing in my opinion

Aren't you glad they didn't successfully interfere with his plan? Doing so would only have prolonged his suffering from terminal cancer, right?

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I guess I'm trying to understand here: Are you still angry and Kirk, Andrew and Dr S? If so, why? After all, Prince's use of illegal opioids was wholly his choice as his way of making himself comfortable given his cancer. If he had wanted to get palliative care from a doctor, he easily could have; a doctor wouldn't deny pain medication to a terminal cancer patient. He preferred illegal drugs, for whatever reason. Right?

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

He also had a hospital treatment on the 20th and was seen by Dr. S. that day.

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According to you, laura, Prince killed himself to avoid the suffering and death of the terminal cancer that he was in the latter stages of. And you also said that his opioid addiction wasn't a problem, because he was terminal anyway and he was choosing to take these drugs to be "comfortable."

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So what exacrtly could those around him have done differnetly to change the outcome for Prince, given that? Wasn't this outcome what he wanted?

[Edited 1/30/18 11:20am]

I think it was the outcome he wanted. Other people were speculating about what was being done to help him. I do not think he wanted any help but other people seem to think he could of had help sooner.

My comments are if he was going to get help at all. Why did someone not just call the law on him or call in a welfare check? Instead of letting a gravely ill man leave a hosptial and go home by himself. ( If he had stayed in the hospital he would have been fine for dealing with the withdrawals). but he choose to leave.

You know I think No call to anyone was going to make a difference and I think at least one of those associates was aware of it.

Did you know on a message board a few months back someone had a brief clip of Meron in her car crying the night of the 20th and singing some song in her native language. What was she going home and crying about?

[Edited 1/30/18 11:33am]

Yes, if he let anyone know his wished what could they do? Other people who are angry at those folk feel that Prince was not given good advice or care by the people around him.

It is just a difference of opinion and since no one is talking we really have no idea what was going on other then KJ crytic comments and half lies to the cops.

disch said:

So in your view, not only COULD they not have done anything differently, they SHOULDN'T have, because that would have just been interefering with Prince's wishes.

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(I'm not agreeing with this. I'm just trying to understand the people, not necessarily you, who both think Prince planned his own death AND are angry at Kirk, Andrew, Dr. S, etc etc)

Mumio said:

Nothing in my opinion

disch said:

So in your view, not only COULD they not have done anything differently, they SHOULDN'T have, because that would have just been interefering with Prince's wishes.

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(I'm not agreeing with this. I'm just trying to understand the people, not necessarily you, who both think Prince planned his own death AND are angry at Kirk, Andrew, Dr. S, etc etc)

Mumio said:

Nothing in my opinion

Like everything else in his life, he was in charge still. If he wanted help from anyone, he could have asked or accepted because we know some have said they called. I think he did what he could within the scope of his reality at that time. For all we know, many many people may have asked to help and given how things went, he apparently declined. I believe he knew what he was doing right up until the final moment.

What is your point? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again? I am not glad Prince is dead but I have seen to many people suffering from cancer and pancreatic is the worst you can have. Do you have any idea if he had this type of cancer what he was going to be dealing with?

I would not wish it on anyone. I have only stated what I was read and have discussed with others. Could they be telling tall tales sure they could but I see no reason for anyone do that. We know what the official cause of death was and nothing will change that. We know what the world thinks so what would be the point of anyone making up anything.

disch said:

Aren't you glad they didn't successfully interfere with his plan? Doing so would only have prolonged his suffering from terminal cancer, right?

laurarichardson said:

I think it was the outcome he wanted. Other people were speculating about what was being done to help him. I do not think he wanted any help but other people seem to think he could of had help sooner.

My comments are if he was going to get help at all. Why did someone not just call the law on him or call in a welfare check? Instead of letting a gravely ill man leave a hosptial and go home by himself. ( If he had stayed in the hospital he would have been fine for dealing with the withdrawals). but he choose to leave.

You know I think No call to anyone was going to make a difference and I think at least one of those associates was aware of it.

Did you know on a message board a few months back someone had a brief clip of Meron in her car crying the night of the 20th and singing some song in her native language. What was she going home and crying about?

Mumio said:

disch said:

So in your view, not only COULD they not have done anything differently, they SHOULDN'T have, because that would have just been interefering with Prince's wishes.

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(I'm not agreeing with this. I'm just trying to understand the people, not necessarily you, who both think Prince planned his own death AND are angry at Kirk, Andrew, Dr. S, etc etc)

Like everything else in his life, he was in charge still. If he wanted help from anyone, he could have asked or accepted because we know some have said they called. I think he did what he could within the scope of his reality at that time. For all we know, many many people may have asked to help and given how things went, he apparently declined. I believe he knew what he was doing right up until the final moment.

He wanted to be alone and he was not sitting in his bed. He was moving around so he was doing what he wanted right to the end. He had a song up in the studio that he was working on.

Mumio said:

I am asking the same question because I"m trying to understand the "logic" of your positions. You hnave't exactly been shy about expressing them extensively, so I didn't think it'd bother you to delve into them further.

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I assume you don't have any problems with actions of Kirk, Dr S, Andrew or any other associates any longer (I know you have had lots of problems with them. You'e said so many, many times). None of them caused Prince's cancer, and according to you since "terminal is terminal" there was nothing they or anyone could have done to treat the cancer. Prince wanted to end his life in the time and manner he did, and he was successful with his plan.

laurarichardson said:

What is your point? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again? I am not glad Prince is dead but I have seen to many people suffering from cancer and pancreatic is the worst you can have. Do you have any idea if he had this type of cancer what he was going to be dealing with?

I would not wish it on anyone. I have only stated what I was read and have discussed with others. Could they be telling tall tales sure they could but I see no reason for anyone do that. We know what the official cause of death was and nothing will change that. We know what the world thinks so what would be the point of anyone making up anything.

disch said:

Aren't you glad they didn't successfully interfere with his plan? Doing so would only have prolonged his suffering from terminal cancer, right?

[Edited 1/30/18 11:47am]

laurarichardson said:

so many inconsistencies....it's still a muddly puzzle

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

I think it was the outcome he wanted. Other people were speculating about what was being done to help him. I do not think he wanted any help but other people seem to think he could of had help sooner.

My comments are if he was going to get help at all. Why did someone not just call the law on him or call in a welfare check? Instead of letting a gravely ill man leave a hosptial and go home by himself. ( If he had stayed in the hospital he would have been fine for dealing with the withdrawals). but he choose to leave.

You know I think No call to anyone was going to make a difference and I think at least one of those associates was aware of it.

Did you know on a message board a few months back someone had a brief clip of Meron in her car crying the night of the 20th and singing some song in her native language. What was she going home and crying about?

I would assume he convinced them he wanted help after moline. He told Judith I was fitting to get back into my body and had at least per her conversation Told her he wouldn’t let it happen again and was going to seek some sort of Help. I am assuming midweek by observations he was either backsliding Or something that alarmed his camp that ummm this isn’t going well. And calls were Made.

We really do not know what happen that week.

Militant said:

cloveringold85 said:

And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.

Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.

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I didn't mean it to sound that way. What I'm trying to say is that if Prince was in such ill health, and so sick and weak, and going through withdrawals, he wouldn't have the energy to make 2 more albums and go on tour.

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I know Prince was not the type of person who would just sit around and waste away.

What else do we have to delve into? You know what I think already and you know why I think it but you do not agree.

Andrew - Not a doctor had no business getting on the plane at all. Should be in cuffs for bring dope across state lines. I would think this if Prince were alive a well.

Dr. S being unprofessional but covered himself.

Kirk- I am not mad at him. I just think he is not that bright. He should not have lied to the police and he should never be on television every again in life.

disch said:

I am asking the same question because I"m trying to understand the "logic" of your positions. You hnave't exactly been shy about expressing them extensively, so I didn't think it'd bother you to delve into them further.

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I assume you don't have any problems with actions of Kirk, Dr S, Andrew or any other associates any longer (I know you have had lots of problems with them. You'e said so many, many times). None of them caused Prince's cancer, and according to you since "terminal is terminal" there was nothing they or anyone could have done to treat the cancer. Prince wanted to end his life in the time and manner he did, and he was successful with his plan.

laurarichardson said:

What is your point? Why do you keep asking the same question over and over again? I am not glad Prince is dead but I have seen to many people suffering from cancer and pancreatic is the worst you can have. Do you have any idea if he had this type of cancer what he was going to be dealing with?

I would not wish it on anyone. I have only stated what I was read and have discussed with others. Could they be telling tall tales sure they could but I see no reason for anyone do that. We know what the official cause of death was and nothing will change that. We know what the world thinks so what would be the point of anyone making up anything.

[Edited 1/30/18 11:47am]

donnyenglish said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, but Prince O.D. in Moline and it wasn't Fentanyl that time.

Do we know if he had fentanyl in his system in Moline?

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The reports stated there was no evidence of previous Fentanyl use.

cloveringold85 said:

Militant said:

Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.

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I didn't mean it to sound that way. What I'm trying to say is that if Prince was in such ill health, and so sick and weak, and going through withdrawals, he wouldn't have the energy to make 2 more albums and go on tour.

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I know Prince was not the type of person who would just sit around and waste away.

I honestly think he must have not been in withdrawals or over them when he went to Australia because who could make that flight puking your guts out for 18 hours. Then when he got to Australia he stayed down there for an extra week.

Something else was going on with him.

Mumio said:

Militant said:

Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.

Yeah.....thanks for that Militant. Some of the remarks here make it clear that many don't really get who we are talking about.

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If Prince had survived, should he be in cuffs for buying/possessing "dope"?

laurarichardson said:

What else do we have to delve into? You know what I think already and you know why I think it but you do not agree.

Andrew - Not a doctor had no business getting on the plane at all. Should be in cuffs for bring dope across state lines. I would think this if Prince were alive a well.

Dr. S being unprofessional but covered himself.

Kirk- I am not mad at him. I just think he is not that bright. He should not have lied to the police and he should never be on television every again in life.

disch said:

I am asking the same question because I"m trying to understand the "logic" of your positions. You hnave't exactly been shy about expressing them extensively, so I didn't think it'd bother you to delve into them further.

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I assume you don't have any problems with actions of Kirk, Dr S, Andrew or any other associates any longer (I know you have had lots of problems with them. You'e said so many, many times). None of them caused Prince's cancer, and according to you since "terminal is terminal" there was nothing they or anyone could have done to treat the cancer. Prince wanted to end his life in the time and manner he did, and he was successful with his plan.

[Edited 1/30/18 11:47am]

ThatWhiteDude said:

udo said:

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He could have called the doctor, the police, etc.

Especially if he knew there was a chance of him trying illicit stuff again.

Well, okay this is good point.

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WhiteDude: So, have you taken a different stance regarding Tyka now?

WTF is wrong with u people who think he commited suicide???

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Hahahahaha . Right right right. Since you know what addiction is, is addiction a brain disease or not?

Well, by your sentence structures and vocabulary, it is quite evident that you went past the (4th) grade.

I know how to count money. I also think all this stuff about addiction being a disease is a bunch of bullshit. My opinion and I am not going to get into a long drawn out thing with you about it.

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Laura: Addiction is indeed an illness. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain and is oftentimes hereditary. My Father had it, my Mother had it and my Sister also has chemical dependency/addiction (alcohol).

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Short Definition of Addiction:

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Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.

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https://www.asam.org/reso...-addiction

luvsexy4all said:

WTF is wrong with u people who think he commited suicide???

it happens, there is shame associated with it but it happens. I was just reading about some race propagandist by the name of Kalergi yesterday, he died in his 70's official cause given was a stroke but his secretary said he committed suicide, same thing with the director of the Frankenstein movies, he drowned himself in his pool, left a suicide note and everything, it was kept secret for 20 years and just called an accident.