DarkKnight1 said:

Of course Kirk, and anyone else super close to Prince knew that he had a drug problem. However, he was Prince, and what he wanted, wouldnt be denied. the same can be said for anyone with that kind of money/success/power.

Prince died of addiction. How this is still a conversation blows my mind.

Becauase the case was left open and o.d cases do not get left open for two years. Everyday people are dying from overdoses it has been going on for decades. These cases are not left open if they are simple overdoses.

Something is funny about the case and the police cannot move forward if people around Prince are not going to cooperate.

Why can't these people just tell the truth? The family: release the damn autopsy! The employees: it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that Prince didn't procure the drugs himself. But, apparently, the authorities can't squeeze anyone hard enough to get them to talk. But more than one person knows how things were handled. I would bet my house on that.

1Sasha said:

purplerabbithole said:

1Sasha said:

Why can't these people just tell the truth? The family: release the damn autopsy! The employees: it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that Prince didn't procure the drugs himself. But, apparently, the authorities can't squeeze anyone hard enough to get them to talk. But more than one person knows how things were handled. I would bet my house on that.

Covering their own asses and wanting to work off connections to his name. Sadly I am fed up with his associates right now. Maybe that will change. I hope. [Edited 1/29/18 8:58am]

I am done with them as well. What I hope is if the prosecutor does not go forward with the case and it is closed that his family might be motivated to put out a press release. We will see as I think this is all coming to a close soon.

Kirk's dismissive attitude to the whole thing sickens many of us. To laugh when asked a serious question about your friend and business partner....

paisleypark4 said:

Kirk's dismissive attitude to the whole thing sickens many of us. To laugh when asked a serious question about your friend and business partner....

He came off in the interview as being very smug and arrogant. I have no idea why questions surrounding Prince's death would cause a friend to respond in that manner.

I hope he never talks to the media again. Just embarrassing and pathetic.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

lastdecember said:

As Owen Hunsey said "I'm not blaming anyone, what you do, you do to yourself. But there were too many YES people around and not enough NO's" That is it plain and simple. We like the SEXY type of story though, like, Warner Brothers killed him. PRINCE was not murdered, Prince slowly killed himself, and that is a fact we all have got to really start to deal with. No it was not a suicide per say, but it was dangerous what he was doing and everyone had to know that. Were there other health issues, probably, I think there is many things we will never know, he was Private, we should know that by now. For there to be "ENABLERS" there has to be the main person that they are enabling at fault.

Drug addicts with physical, emotional and psychological pain need truth, interventions and removal of the temptation around them. If those things are not being done ( or at least attempts are made) then others are partly to blame. Prince was at fault but so were others and I don’t imagine Owen would be as hardcore if one of his loved ones was in the same situation. It’s the drug addict’s fault for not getting proper help to some degree obviously but addiction/ mental illness are diseases not just choices. [Edited 1/29/18 5:53am] [Edited 1/29/18 5:55am]

Plain and simple they have to want to do it. Lionel Richie said this of Whitney Houston, despite many people trying no one got through. We don't know PRINCE behind closed doors. Owen was not being hardcore he was being honest but also not trying to lay blame because that is easy to do, we can say, why didnt Kirk do this or why didnt judith hill say something she was right there on the plane, people were around him on that final tour and he was using all sorts of things during that tour and probably while on stage just to get through the shows. As I will always say, PRINCE was private but also preached of clean living, how would it look if suddenly was in rehab, and the headlines and tabloids and everything social media was about that. PRINCE was private and secluded and being that way did not help at the end in fact his living that way probably was why he did not survive.

I agree with that. The reality is: If, in the last weeks of his life, Prince had taken only the drugs prescribed uner Kirk's name, and none of the illegal stuff, he'd likely be alive today. It wasn't those prescription drugs that killed him.

donnyenglish said:

It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.

lastdecember said:

purplerabbithole said:

lastdecember said: Drug addicts with physical, emotional and psychological pain need truth, interventions and removal of the temptation around them. If those things are not being done ( or at least attempts are made) then others are partly to blame. Prince was at fault but so were others and I don’t imagine Owen would be as hardcore if one of his loved ones was in the same situation. It’s the drug addict’s fault for not getting proper help to some degree obviously but addiction/ mental illness are diseases not just choices. [Edited 1/29/18 5:53am] [Edited 1/29/18 5:55am]

Plain and simple they have to want to do it. Lionel Richie said this of Whitney Houston, despite many people trying no one got through. We don't know PRINCE behind closed doors. Owen was not being hardcore he was being honest but also not trying to lay blame because that is easy to do, we can say, why didnt Kirk do this or why didnt judith hill say something she was right there on the plane, people were around him on that final tour and he was using all sorts of things during that tour and probably while on stage just to get through the shows. As I will always say, PRINCE was private but also preached of clean living, how would it look if suddenly was in rehab, and the headlines and tabloids and everything social media was about that. PRINCE was private and secluded and being that way did not help at the end in fact his living that way probably was why he did not survive.

He did not survive because he did not want to survive. He was in the hospital the day before he died and no one in the public knew about that until after he died. He was in the hospital for treatments according to Kirk in 2014 and 2015 and the public know nothing about it.

He was not in a rehab because rehab was not going to help him.

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

According to Prince's cousin the security cameras were removed not turned off.

same questions. who why when

Who would have the money or authority to take out the cameras? Just think about it for a moment. A private business was being turned into a public place. Do you think Prince was planning on being at PP if all of this was going on.

laurarichardson said:

He did not survive because he did not want to survive.

Sadly I think this is the truth.

One deadly "accidental" overdose is one thing.

Two in the space of one week, is quite another.

It seems very likely to me that the circumstances leading up to both events were the same. So if that's the case, you could argue that the first was accidental, but not the second, because he knew damn well what happened the first time!

They brought him back after Moline because there were people around him who called emergency services and landed that plane early. If he weren't, he would have passed on that plane. He then chose to be alone a few days later, and if you think anyone, including Kirk, wilfully left him alone, you don't understand the type of relationship they had. Prince would have absolutely insisted on being alone that night.

You can't hold this at anyone else's door. This isn't like Michael Jackson where a Doctor injected him with a powerful drug and then left him on his own for an hour. Prince was in control of the circumstances here, and like I said, I think there's a deeper reason that isn't public knowledge. He started saying goodbye with AOA a full 2 years earlier. That to me is the work of a man who knows he has limited time. It's no different to "Blackstar" except Bowie arranged it to come out right before he passed. If AOA was released the week before Prince passed we would not be speculating this much because everything would be very obvious.

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

He did not survive because he did not want to survive.

Sadly I think this is the truth.

One deadly "accidental" overdose is one thing.

Two in the space of one week, is quite another.

It seems very likely to me that the circumstances leading up to both events were the same. So if that's the case, you could argue that the first was accidental, but not the second, because he knew damn well what happened the first time!

They brought him back after Moline because there were people around him who called emergency services and landed that plane early. If he weren't, he would have passed on that plane. He then chose to be alone a few days later, and if you think anyone, including Kirk, wilfully left him alone, you don't understand the type of relationship they had. Prince would have absolutely insisted on being alone that night.

You can't hold this at anyone else's door. This isn't like Michael Jackson where a Doctor injected him with a powerful drug and then left him on his own for an hour. Prince was in control of the circumstances here, and like I said, I think there's a deeper reason that isn't public knowledge. He started saying goodbye with AOA a full 2 years earlier. That to me is the work of a man who knows he has limited time. It's no different to "Blackstar" except Bowie arranged it to come out right before he passed. If AOA was released the week before Prince passed we would not be speculating this much because everything would be very obvious.

Co-sign but as far as Kirk is concerned the law had to look at him because he was the last person with Prince and his behavior with the police made him a suspect.

Also he had no business with those meds if he does not actually need them for a real medical reason but if Prince had other medical problems any charges are going against Kirk or Dr. S will be minor. No one is going to blame anyone if terminal health issues were occuring.

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

Who would have the money or authority to take out the cameras? Just think about it for a moment. A private business was being turned into a public place. Do you think Prince was planning on being at PP if all of this was going on.

Laura I really do not know. Nor is my question above specifically addressed to you, but was instead posed to purplerabbithole' s comment, not to you personally. Still it is a general appeal so please lets not get into a typically acrimonious back and forth here. I am just seeking truth here. Prince wasn't dead when the cameras were turned off, he was still alive and the Park was not yet a museum. Now that it is a museum I assume the cameras are on. We know Prince was fanatical about filming everything so when and why were the cameras turned off? Please only respond with real facts if you have them not any pet theories or speculations about how he died - only information about security cameras if you have any. Don't mean to be insulting and thanks in advance

I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?

The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.

These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.

Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.

Militant said:

jdcxc said:

Militant said:

Sadly I think this is the truth.

One deadly "accidental" overdose is one thing.

Two in the space of one week, is quite another.

It seems very likely to me that the circumstances leading up to both events were the same. So if that's the case, you could argue that the first was accidental, but not the second, because he knew damn well what happened the first time!

They brought him back after Moline because there were people around him who called emergency services and landed that plane early. If he weren't, he would have passed on that plane. He then chose to be alone a few days later, and if you think anyone, including Kirk, wilfully left him alone, you don't understand the type of relationship they had. Prince would have absolutely insisted on being alone that night.

You can't hold this at anyone else's door. This isn't like Michael Jackson where a Doctor injected him with a powerful drug and then left him on his own for an hour. Prince was in control of the circumstances here, and like I said, I think there's a deeper reason that isn't public knowledge. He started saying goodbye with AOA a full 2 years earlier. That to me is the work of a man who knows he has limited time. It's no different to "Blackstar" except Bowie arranged it to come out right before he passed. If AOA was released the week before Prince passed we would not be speculating this much because everything would be very obvious.

There is no proof Prince was suicidal. He had a very serious addiction that does not always translate into rational behavior. The fact that he continued to use the drugs that he was addicted to, following the plane landing overdose, is not proof of suicidal behavior. By all accounts, he had voluntarily enlisted in treatment that was to begin in days. In my opinion, it was a horrible accidental tragedy brought on by a dangerous chemical addiction. Probably similar in profile to the explosions of opioid deaths we are currently seeing.

No one said he was suicidal. If you wanted to kill yourself would you act sucidal? Why not just let the chip land were they may but not taking meds from a pharmacy which you have in your possession.

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said:

No one said he was suicidal. If you wanted to kill yourself would you act sucidal? Why not just let the chip land were they may but not taking meds from a pharmacy which you have in your possession.

Of course reckless behavior is symptom of addiction. Unless I read you wrong, you and Militant are making an argument that Prince was engaging in “suicidal” behaviors, or purposely ending his life.

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

Mumio said:

Pretty tacky to post this particular screen shot out of a 5+ minute video not once but twice with the name of someone who hasn't been charged nor arrested for anything.

[Edited 1/28/18 21:44pm]

Yes indeed. And did anyone really expect someone was going to be charged with murder? I certainly didn’t. Nothing new here as far as I’m concerned.

You cant charge him with Murder so if anyone thinks that is gonna happen they are out of their minds. Prince had Kirk get this for him, Kirk did not pour it down his throat. For all we know it was KIRK who called for help and that was why intervention was coming, PRINCE i doubt was asking for help, which would be a total contradiction, he asks for help and then takes fentanyl in the same space of time. The help was coming because those in that circle might have known that he was going to do this again and he needed help. But KIRK is never going to tell this, because of his loyality.

rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

My opinion has always been quite simple: release the full autopsy report. It will stop a great deal of the speculation. What was wrong and what was he taking. Maybe, like Tom Petty, it was an unfortunate accident. Maybe it was a deliberate overdose because he was ill. I believe people around him enabled his drug use and behavior because he was their cash register. And I came to the conclusion long ago that he deliberately overdosed in the end because he was ill. JMO

Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.

Exactly!! I said this months ago that PRINCE and his death was dropped about a week later in the general public. This generation has the attention span of a fly, they go from event to event in seconds. I mean one second it was Kevin Spacey then Weinstein then Louis CK then it was like Spacey never even happened and CK was forgotten. PRINCE and his death did not linger in the public eye, we kept that going. For them it was a Drug OD case closed, it should have opened discussions more into Opioids and things like that BUT not with this public. Discussions?? nah we dont do that anymore, that was so 80's

rogifan said:

OK someone help me out here. Where in this WCCO report does it mention or co firm a decade(s) long serious addiction to opioids? The only new thing it seems to provide is that no one is likely to be charged. Everything else in the story is just filler of stuff already known.

It does not. They have no info other then minor charges may be filed and they are trying to one up the Fox station.

We have no proof still that Prince has a long term addiction to these drugs.

jdcxc said:

lastdecember said:

rogifan said:

Mumio said: Yes indeed. And did anyone really expect someone was going to be charged with murder? I certainly didn’t. Nothing new here as far as I’m concerned.

You cant charge him with Murder so if anyone thinks that is gonna happen they are out of their minds. Prince had Kirk get this for him, Kirk did not pour it down his throat. For all we know it was KIRK who called for help and that was why intervention was coming, PRINCE i doubt was asking for help, which would be a total contradiction, he asks for help and then takes fentanyl in the same space of time. The help was coming because those in that circle might have known that he was going to do this again and he needed help. But KIRK is never going to tell this, because of his loyality.

If they had evidence they would. Whom ever supplied it could be charged with 3rd degree murder. They have suspects but they have no proof. They even said last October is was an ongoing investigation with suspects

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said:

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

He definitely didn’t put the affairs of his estate, will, music business in order.

Yes, he did.

LLC

Tidal

Paisley Park plans

WB contract.

Now we now songs have been transfred to Dreams Corp.

As of today these contracts and plans are still in place.