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Bodhitheblackdog said:

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laurarichardson said:

coldasice said:

Are you really gonna make me say he was anti gay? Research why Roadhouse Garden was scrapped. Do you think he's Joking about the bearded lady? Coincidence that he went on Ellen and played Bambi? I'm not saying he hated gay people, but let's just say he was spiritually against it.

--All Christians are spiritually against it. Also the rumor is that Elken wanted to hear Bambi.

My experience has been "most", "a lot", but no longer "all"

I debated with responding because in the end it doesn't really matter, but as much as I adored Prince I sometimes wondered. With all the talk of what goes on in the entertainment industry (Corey Feldman, Cory Haim stories, Lance Bass comments (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/lance-bass-says-he-was-sexually-harassed-by-music-professional-during-his-time-in-n-sync/2015/10/08/b3f971ac-6dcb-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html?utm_term=.119506e2ee12); and given how FINE Prince was when he started out, I can't help but believe that those in power in the music industry weren't salivating to get at him. Add to the equation that maybe at some point in time he was surrounded by influences which really saw nothing wrong with it, and maybe at a time he did partake and maybe no one has come forward because it was in his inner circle. As he grew, got older, became more settled and pursued God more; he decided it wasn't what he wanted to do. Who knows, just thoughts.

I happen to think the whole homoerotic vibe was a calculated thing by Prince, one of his early managers recently said prince had even articulated this to him saying he wanted to be someone that no one could tell was straight or gay, this was from the Prince album period. I think it was a very conscious, artistic-commercial decision. I don't know if he ever did anything and there has never been any real serious allegations about any kind of gay sex, plenty of lyrics that toy with the idea, plenty of stage moves that insinuate he was up for it but if he did, i think it was likely very limited.

Asenath0607 said:

I debated with responding because in the end it doesn't really matter, but as much as I adored Prince I sometimes wondered. With all the talk of what goes on in the entertainment industry (Corey Feldman, Cory Haim stories, Lance Bass comments (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/lance-bass-says-he-was-sexually-harassed-by-music-professional-during-his-time-in-n-sync/2015/10/08/b3f971ac-6dcb-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html?utm_term=.119506e2ee12); and given how FINE Prince was when he started out, I can't help but believe that those in power in the music industry weren't salivating to get at him. Add to the equation that maybe at some point in time he was surrounded by influences which really saw nothing wrong with it, and maybe at a time he did partake and maybe no one has come forward because it was in his inner circle. As he grew, got older, became more settled and pursued God more; he decided it wasn't what he wanted to do. Who knows, just thoughts.

I think Steve Fargnoli Bob Cavallo Joseph Ruffalo being his managers foro Prince under WB were very supportive and protective of Prince

OldFriends4Sale said:

Asenath0607 said:

I debated with responding because in the end it doesn't really matter, but as much as I adored Prince I sometimes wondered. With all the talk of what goes on in the entertainment industry (Corey Feldman, Cory Haim stories, Lance Bass comments (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/lance-bass-says-he-was-sexually-harassed-by-music-professional-during-his-time-in-n-sync/2015/10/08/b3f971ac-6dcb-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html?utm_term=.119506e2ee12); and given how FINE Prince was when he started out, I can't help but believe that those in power in the music industry weren't salivating to get at him. Add to the equation that maybe at some point in time he was surrounded by influences which really saw nothing wrong with it, and maybe at a time he did partake and maybe no one has come forward because it was in his inner circle. As he grew, got older, became more settled and pursued God more; he decided it wasn't what he wanted to do. Who knows, just thoughts.

I think Steve Fargnoli Bob Cavallo Joseph Ruffalo being his managers foro Prince under WB were very supportive and protective of Prince

co-sign...if only they had been there longer...

PeteSilas said:

I happen to think the whole homoerotic vibe was a calculated thing by Prince, one of his early managers recently said prince had even articulated this to him saying he wanted to be someone that no one could tell was straight or gay, this was from the Prince album period. I think it was a very conscious, artistic-commercial decision. I don't know if he ever did anything and there has never been any real serious allegations about any kind of gay sex, plenty of lyrics that toy with the idea, plenty of stage moves that insinuate he was up for it but if he did, i think it was likely very limited.

Yeah he talked about when he would kiss the female keyboardist and then get close to the bassist and hold it etc

I don't think Prince had a 'lot' of homo eroticism in the scene,

There was a lot of androgeny thought which of course are two different things

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

ya, we bring that up all the time on the org. It was one of the most gay things he ever did, easily.

PeteSilas said:

JudasLChrist said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

I just didn't get that one

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...if only they had been there longer...

No they were not that great as you think. Eric Leeds has had bad things to say about them and their is a podcast with one of the tour mangers who work those guys who discussed their hi-inks. I will repost it later.

please do, i don't know anything specific about those guys, the guys they called spaghetti inc. they did a great job it seems, Prince was demanding, he said to one of them "get me a movie deal or you're fired" completely unrealistic but it happened. I don't really know much about them, as people, Prince was not a pushover so, unlike most of the managers of acts like the beatles, or elvis, you don't hear stories of ridiculous deals or an artist unhappy with the deal. Chazz said how Prince looked uncomfortable at the time of PR and speculated that it was because of those guys.

laurarichardson said:

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

--Yes, we remember he did it to piss people off. He was always doing it. Even Wendy said he was more of a lesbian then he was.

I doubt if Wendy is a lesbian to "piss people off". If he was more of a lesbian than she was he was not doing it for publicity. People act out what they want to act out. People have intimate sex with those they want to have intimate sex with. If there wasn't such a stigma about it, especially for men, many more people would identify as bi - or whatever the kids are calling it now. There is a crazy homophobic streak in some Prince fans. Probably because he was so honest about sexuality in general and that is disturbing for people who are struggling with that. Either in themselves or their view of how "sex" should be. He put everything he was thinking in his art, doesn't make him anything we can categorize or pin down sexually.

Listening to We Can Fuck (PR Deluxe)

really enjoying this disc today

song reminds me of the extended version of Girl

sounds very Around the World in a Day-ish

@ 4:32 min
...
Just as long as it's HOT
I wanna make love 2 U

2 times maybe 3

If u want 2 go all night
baby

that's alright with me

I'll be your little brother

I can be your big strong man

WoW!

I can by your girl or boy

.....

ahhhhh ahhhhhh

ahhh ahhhh ahhh

blow the candle out

We'll see if it's true

OldFriends4Sale said:

Listening to We Can Fuck (PR Deluxe)

really enjoying this disc today

song reminds me of the extended version of Girl

sounds very Around the World in a Day-ish

@ 4:32 min
...
Just as long as it's HOT
I wanna make love 2 U

2 times maybe 3

If u want 2 go all night
baby

that's alright with me

I'll be your little brother

I can be your big strong man

WoW!

I can by your girl or boy

.....

ahhhhh ahhhhhh

ahhh ahhhh ahhh

blow the candle out

We'll see if it's true

DUH...EXACTLY! Grow up everyone...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Listening to We Can Fuck (PR Deluxe)

really enjoying this disc today

song reminds me of the extended version of Girl

sounds very Around the World in a Day-ish

@ 4:32 min
...
Just as long as it's HOT
I wanna make love 2 U

2 times maybe 3

If u want 2 go all night
baby

that's alright with me

I'll be your little brother

I can be your big strong man

WoW!

I can by your girl or boy

.....

ahhhhh ahhhhhh

ahhh ahhhh ahhh

blow the candle out

We'll see if it's true

DUH...EXACTLY! Grow up everyone...

LMAO...for real...there's similar examples on almost everyone of P's album, whether obvious or coded...

"What makes a man want to rule the world? (A double A double arrogance)
(you got it)
Make him man enough to say he's 50-50 girl (A double A double arrogance)
(you got it)
What makes a man want to curse and swear? (A double A double arrogance)
(you got it)
Then blame it on heaven 'cause he's already there
Pimprag, tootsie pop, and a cane"

I know it's hard for people to wrap their head around this but beng androgynous is not synonymous with homosexuality. Did Prince like to play with words and meanings in songs, intentionally to prod the fire when people were already questioning his sexuality - hell yes. Does that mean he's gay? No.

OldFriends4Sale said:

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said: theres plenty of proof, lyrically and visually, and plenty of rumors ... but again, youre the expert on that man's sexuality, so again, lets not address the topic between us further...youre tone is uncool...

There is NO proof.

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your tone is silly. This crap is like the people who bring up Prince in the pink dress once every other year. They've seen it, it's out there, but NO ONE has ever seen this picture.

exactly, like referring to the photo of Prince in a dress on the cover of a gay magazine that its proof to support their pov. Um, guys, its photoshopped and HEREIN lies the point/problem. I'm with you OFFS, sadly though, people will believe what they want even when proof does not exist.

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Theories and heresay are not sound evidence.

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Lyrics are not proof at ALL - that's the beauty of the written word.

Visual proof? As what, how Prince dressed/looked like the makeup, hair and clothes, mannerisms? Sure, they are proof. Proof that Prince was androgynous.

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But OFFS, they'll keep until The Dawn.

PeteSilas said:

dodger said:

I've never heard any rumours, or comments from (ex) associates or any male claiming to have been involved with him. Not that it would matter, I'm just saying

there are always rumours with any public figure, the question is how credible are they. Either way, whether as an artistic device or for true expression, there are plenty of homoerotic lyrics, dances, wardrobe, makeup. Somehow, only prince could do all those things and still not have it be a huge deal. People will say he's wierd before they bring up anything like homosexuality, even gay guys have told me they thought he was wierd. Prince was just Prince.

Exactly!

PeteSilas said:

I happen to think the whole homoerotic vibe was a calculated thing by Prince, one of his early managers recently said prince had even articulated this to him saying he wanted to be someone that no one could tell was straight or gay, this was from the Prince album period. I think it was a very conscious, artistic-commercial decision. I don't know if he ever did anything and there has never been any real serious allegations about any kind of gay sex, plenty of lyrics that toy with the idea, plenty of stage moves that insinuate he was up for it but if he did, i think it was likely very limited.

yes, I agree, conscious, calculated move. He created a persona, and it sold $$$$. Not evidence of actual gay tendencies/relationships.

PeteSilas said:

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

ya, we bring that up all the time on the org. It was one of the most gay things he ever did, easily.

We all remember it; but if you listen to the lyrics of the songs when those moves happened, seemed just suggestive within the context of the song - usually one where Tony was doing some rap about getting a girl or whatnot.

And again, dancing, like lyrics...is not proof. Artistic licence and all that jazz

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Listening to We Can Fuck (PR Deluxe)

really enjoying this disc today

song reminds me of the extended version of Girl

sounds very Around the World in a Day-ish

@ 4:32 min
...
Just as long as it's HOT
I wanna make love 2 U

2 times maybe 3

If u want 2 go all night
baby

that's alright with me

I'll be your little brother

I can be your big strong man

WoW!

I can by your girl or boy

.....

ahhhhh ahhhhhh

ahhh ahhhh ahhh

blow the candle out

We'll see if it's true

DUH...EXACTLY! Grow up everyone...

Yep, androgeny, not homo/bi-sexuality

This connects to all the women who've said that sleeping with him was sometimes like being with a woman

I love this quote from Wendy Melvoin:
I remember being at that “Sexuality” video shoot and him on stage with that little black jacket and that tie thing around his neck and his black pants with white buttons on the side. And we looked at each other for the first time and I thought, “Oh, I could so fall in love with that girl easy.” It doesn’t matter what sexuality, gender you are. You’re in the room with him and he gives you that look and you’re like, “Okay, I’m done. It’s over.” He’s Casanova. He’s Valentino.

ForeverPaisley said:

I know it's hard for people to wrap their head around this but beng androgynous is not synonymous with homosexuality. Did Prince like to play with words and meanings in songs, intentionally to prod the fire when people were already questioning his sexuality - hell yes. Does that mean he's gay? No.

right, overt masculine and feminie expressions are generally exaggerated in men and women.

many homosexual men are very masculine and many lesbian women are very girly girls

yet there are men who I see on first 'stereotypical' assumption might be gay, and then realize they just aren't at all.
I think about all the rock musicians, in drag, makeup, feminine + masculine expressions. Yeah of course some could be gay or bi, but heterosexual is it. Prince is a part of that same group of ax men.

also, a lot of their personas, they, meaning rock stars, are largely just image. Elvis said it once"The image is one thing and the human being is another. It's very hard to live up to an image, put it that way. " It's got to be stifling, intimidating, frightening and oppressive living with an image that you may not have even meant to create is difficult, and like Elvis said with the keywords "human being". I think Prince might have coped with it by covering up in glitz, glitter, disguise the important thing is, these men aren't the image they put out and it literally kills them trying to live with it all. A lot of the image just might not be real at all. I still remember speaking to Bruce Springsteen biographer, he basically called him a fake, and maybe he is, i don't think so but maybe he is, i don't know him.

PeteSilas said:

also, a lot of their personas, they, meaning rock stars, are largely just image. Elvis said it once"The image is one thing and the human being is another. It's very hard to live up to an image, put it that way. " It's got to be stifling, intimidating, frightening and oppressive living with an image that you may not have even meant to create is difficult, and like Elvis said with the keywords "human being". I think Prince might have coped with it by covering up in glitz, glitter, disguise the important thing is, these men aren't the image they put out and it literally kills them trying to live with it all. A lot of the image just might not be real at all. I still remember speaking to Bruce Springsteen biographer, he basically called him a fake, and maybe he is, i don't think so but maybe he is, i don't know him.

Yes a lot of them are, but a lot of them are an expression of who the person is.

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The most successful ones I believe the persona image and person are very close to who the person is.
And instead of using a paint brush or camera, they do it through music. The ENTERTAINERS do it through music and clothing and expression.

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Artists are visionaries.

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I believe the Prince that modelled on the cover of the Lovesexy lp was 100% Prince. There was nothing wrong with the photo. It wasn't 'gay'. What that photo did, whether Prince intended or not, was it put up a mirror to peoples souls. Men (and it was mostly men) who cried 'gay' and shunned it or were afraid or 'ashamed' to by it were telling on themselves.

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I also strongly believe the more 'conservative' Prince we saw in 2001-2008 was more forced. I'm not attacking the Jehovah's Witness denomination, but Prince was really working to be emershed in it during that time. The whole Rainbow Children project was going to be WAY bigger than that. It was the JW who kind shut Prince down. Paisley Park was going to be used at times as a vehicle for worship and the music including what was to be the RC pt 2 was going to delve further into the sacred Jehovah's Witness hymns.

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People like Prince and Michael Jackson lived in the studio and on stage. It was an escape that became their reality. So it was all real. I don't think it was a dual lifestyle. Prince wasn't jeans and tshirts in private and then lace and leather in public. I appreciate the 'magical' worlds of music people like them created. They came out of the 1970s and prior periods where Hollywood and life on the screen and stage were these wonderful worlds of vision. Madonna is another. What that person ment by Bruce being fake, I don't know, what they mean. Are they saying he wasn't the jean and tshirt blue collar guy?
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For whatever reason we don't get that same level of 'wonder' from artists (most) after the 80s.

ForeverPaisley said: