1725topp said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

most of that is not homoeroticism

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What's the matter with your world, was it a boy when you wanted a girl-Pop Life is talking about a parent/woman wanting a girl child instead of a boy

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whether intentional or not, there are lyrics that 'play' with gender bending, but not homoerotic.

Like 'The Belle of St Mark' a 'belle' is a woman not a man

Mazarati's Suzy is about a trans that Sir Casey Terry went out on a date with without knowing

there are other stuff

Jack U Off, Dez said Prince did not realize that term was something only geared about a man and a dick

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Also, you can cross off "If I Was Your Girlfriend" because it’s written from the perspective of a heterosexual male who wants to become as close to his female mate as he possibly can. "If I was your girlfriend, would tell me all the things you forgot when I was your man...If I was your one and only friend, would you come to me if somebody hurt you even if that somebody was me. Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be." This is troping or playing with the notion that, stereotypically, women, but men as well, tend to tell their best friends, in this case their 'girlfriends,' things that they don't their romantic mates. So, to get as close to his female mate as possible, the male narrator is asking to be everything to his female, even her girlfriend/best friend. (As an aside, I’ve always found it unusual that a person’s spouse, lover, or romantic mate is not that person’s best friends. But, as it relates to the song, I guess so many people are taught/indoctrinated to think as a gender rather than as a holistic being that many—not all—men and women become programed that someone of the same gender is more suitable as a best friend, even if their sexual orientation is for the opposite sex. For me, I couldn’t fathom my wife not being my best friend, but I know so many men and women who claim someone other than their spouse as their best friend. And, this is what makes “If I Was Your Girlfriend” so brilliant.” Prince, in an almost a Shakespearian manner, seems to understand human nature and human relationships at a deeper level than most.) Unfortunately, subtly nor nuance sell well in American popular culture so most American dumbasses thought the song was about Prince wanting to be with a man, which, as many, such as Alan Leeds, have speculated over the years, is what helped kill the momentum that Sign 'O' Times was building—that, and his refusal to tour America in support of the album.

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Ironically, “If I Was Your Girlfriend” has become a “hood” classic, and I don’t know if that means that the hood—the African-American community—has become less homophobic or more aware of what the song means. Still, when I introduce the song to my students, most of them are suspicious of the title until I explain that Beyoncé’s “If I Were a Boy” is, essentially, a rip-off of “If I Was Your Girlfriend.” I don’t really think that Beyoncé’s song is a rip-off; I’m just an old man who likes to denounce young people’s culture every opportunity I get. And with that, all y’all mofos GET OFF MY LAWNNNNNNNNNN!!!

mistake, I thought I did cross it out

RJOrion said:

coldasice said:

coldasice said:

RJOrion said:

big deal...i may (or may not) be wrong about one song...but you continue ignore countless other obvious (and coded) examples contrary to your position...but since it really seems to upset you that Prince may have experimented with homosexuality, ill let you finish [Edited 9/19/17 10:57am]

Are you really gonna make me say he was anti gay? Research why Roadhouse Garden was scrapped. Do you think he's Joking about the bearded lady? Coincidence that he went on Ellen and played Bambi? I'm not saying he hated gay people, but let's just say he was spiritually against it.

coldasice, i agree with the notion that Prince probably did NOT hate gay people, but would

concur that he was spiritually against it. Maybe slightly like orthodox Jewish people believe pork

is unclean, they may have been told it is tasty but their BELIEFS trump all their potential desire for it.

And Prince was STRONG in his Beliefs i think that perhaps this may be one he didn't temp or test.

Maybe perhaps that is why he put it in his music a tad to be cathartic in a way or may be to attract

other listeners and wanted to appear sympathetic. or a little of both, but who really knows and

that is probably where he wanted us land with. "who knows "

why do u assume homoeroticsim mean hes gay?

lol...threads like this pop up frequently around here I remember years ago,there was a thread about the first verse in "Anna Stesia"? A big debate about what he 'really' means,lol

have U ever wanted to play with someone so much,you'd take anyone boy or girl?

i guess no ones heard that rio rehearsal

RJOrion said:

coldasice said:

Are you really gonna make me say he was anti gay? Research why Roadhouse Garden was scrapped. Do you think he's Joking about the bearded lady? Coincidence that he went on Ellen and played Bambi? I'm not saying he hated gay people, but let's just say he was spiritually against it.

yeah...because never in the history of the earth, has an effeminate bisexual man, denied partaking in homosexual activities ....sounds naive...

The lyrical quotes you and the other person put up to PROVE he was were bogus. And show you both need an education in Purple Music.

If he is we have no proof, no substantial rumors, nothing...

RJOrion said:

"Damn, you got the rock to give a brother cream (Cream)
And if we're ever naked in the same machine
I'm gonna lick it, baby, joint to joint"

"I never sucked sour splints from a chew stick
Don't lick bics because fire sticks to flame (flame)
Get wicks to catch brothers who choose to let burns remain
Now I see all Dicks, Toms and Harrys are not the same
Some dipped in my lower lip, sipped a supple poison"

"Up the stairs to my lovely room
Stroke your face and you're under soon
Sitting in the corner in your underwear
Letting me caress your nappy hair
Joint to joint, nothing comes for free
If you show your love, you can get with me
And if you light my candle, we can share the stone"

...well, damn... i never rally got that deep into the Emancipation lp, so i wasnt aware of the lyrical content of that song...but looking at them now, the lyrics are very suspect....to say the least...but thats not the first or last time P had been as revealing...

i didn't know how to read that one, he didn't do the rap, in fact it souned like a lesbian rapper, or at least that had been my interpretation but I could be wrong.

either way, joint to joint is a fave and a great ignored track.

PeteSilas said:

either way, joint to joint is a fave and a great ignored track.

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Hell Yes!!! A song with three movements with each movement as equally strong as the others. Not many people even capable of creating that type of song today.

1725topp said:

PeteSilas said:

either way, joint to joint is a fave and a great ignored track.

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Hell Yes!!! A song with three movements with each movement as equally strong as the others. Not many people even capable of creating that type of song today.

i love it, i tried to sell my hip hop headed best friend and fellow Prince fan on it but he always says the same thing when it comes to prince's hip hop, even though he's a major P fan, he never gave him one iota of credit for hip hop, in no way. I once even told him about an article i read that credited Prince for being a forerunner of hip hop, great arguements were in that, he wouldn't give it the time of day.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

1725topp said:

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Hell Yes!!! A song with three movements with each movement as equally strong as the others. Not many people even capable of creating that type of song today.

i love it, i tried to sell my hip hop headed best friend and fellow Prince fan on it but he always says the same thing when it comes to prince's hip hop, even though he's a major P fan, he never gave him one iota of credit for hip hop, in no way. I once even told him about an article i read that credited Prince for being a forerunner of hip hop, great arguements were in that, he wouldn't give it the time of day.

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A good number of hip hop heads are still salty about "Dead on It," and Prince fans like me who dissed the hell out of hip hop for years didn't help either. Then, of course, there's the notion that a lot of folks, especially hip hop heads, perceive Prince of merely coopting hip hop and cashing in on it's cache rather than actually loving it. Personally, since I was never a big hip hop person, Prince's rapping never bothered me, except for "Mr. Goodnight." That song is a crime against all that is good and holy. Yet, be all that as it may, anyone who doesn't feel the funk of "Joint to Joint" is just soulless. Now, allow me to return to my screen door and tell more young people to GET OFF MY LAWNNNNNN!!!!

RJOrion said:

big deal...i may (or may not) be wrong about one song...but you continue ignore countless other obvious (and coded) examples contrary to your position...but since it really seems to upset you that Prince may have experimented with homosexuality, ill let you finish [Edited 9/19/17 10:57am]

I'm willing to take a seat and listen; please give examples.

luvsexy4all said:

i guess no ones heard that rio rehearsal

care to elaborate?

RJOrion said:

theres plenty of proof, lyrically and visually, and plenty of rumors ... but again, youre the expert on that man's sexuality, so again, lets not address the topic between us further...youre tone is uncool...

I've never heard any rumours, or comments from (ex) associates or any male claiming to have been involved with him. Not that it would matter, I'm just saying

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The lyrical quotes you and the other person put up to PROVE he was were bogus. And show you both need an education in Purple Music.

If he is we have no proof, no substantial rumors, nothing...

theres plenty of proof, lyrically and visually, and plenty of rumors ... but again, youre the expert on that man's sexuality, so again, lets not address the topic between us further...youre tone is uncool...

There is NO proof.

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your tone is silly. This crap is like the people who bring up Prince in the pink dress once every other year. They've seen it, it's out there, but NO ONE has ever seen this picture.

dodger said:

RJOrion said:

theres plenty of proof, lyrically and visually, and plenty of rumors ... but again, youre the expert on that man's sexuality, so again, lets not address the topic between us further...youre tone is uncool...

I've never heard any rumours, or comments from (ex) associates or any male claiming to have been involved with him. Not that it would matter, I'm just saying

there are always rumours with any public figure, the question is how credible are they. Either way, whether as an artistic device or for true expression, there are plenty of homoerotic lyrics, dances, wardrobe, makeup. Somehow, only prince could do all those things and still not have it be a huge deal. People will say he's wierd before they bring up anything like homosexuality, even gay guys have told me they thought he was wierd. Prince was just Prince.

The man was (and still is) a riddle!

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We all "knew" he wasn't taking drugs, right?... and look how that turned out.

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And we still don't know how/why Kirk Johnson stuck around for so long while all other friends and band members came and went... do we? Let's not go there!

james said:

The man was (and still is) a riddle!

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We all "knew" he wasn't taking drugs, right?... and look how that turned out.

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And we still don't know how/why Kirk Johnson stuck around for so long while all other friends and band members came and went... do we? Let's not go there!

youre not saying nothing like kirky was his gay lover are you? oh gosh.

coldasice said:

RJOrion said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

The carmen electra thread was taken down so should this thread

Who are you? and Why do you want to lock threads? What was wrong with the Carmen thread since the article was about the song and Carmen had already made it known what the whole thing was about years ago.

Strawberrylova123 said:

The carmen electra thread was taken down so should this thread

Who are you? and Why do you want to lock threads? What was wrong with the Carmen thread since the article was about the song and Carmen had already made it known what the whole thing was about years ago.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

coldasice said:

Are you really gonna make me say he was anti gay? Research why Roadhouse Garden was scrapped. Do you think he's Joking about the bearded lady? Coincidence that he went on Ellen and played Bambi? I'm not saying he hated gay people, but let's just say he was spiritually against it.

--All Christians are spiritually against it. Also the rumor is that Elken wanted to hear Bambi.

not true really. There are more diverse beliefs than that.

Also groups like the Quakers Church Unity Church and others.