I never really got the chance to ask him for specifics, as I'm just a nobody, but his name is Charles Cross, writer and a guy who started his career as a bruce springsteen fanatic. My thoughts are that Charles, being the hound that he was, finally pissed somebody off either bruce or his handlers and they told him to fuck off. why do i think this? well, he never has a good word to say about bruce, you know, people don't change that drastically without a reason, so i think part of it was just a personal grudge, but I really don't know.

As far as the image/person, it really all depends and it depends on who you ask too. Anyone who studies the business of music knows that the image of an artist is as or more important than the talent, what is said is that an image should be relateable to a demographic and that it has to be real because a fake image doesn't go over well. I don't know if i agree with that last part. I think we see pieces of a person but that also, the image and all that stuff, people get lost in the bullshit because it's confusing. I think it causes more problems than it's worth myself. You want to talk about a cause of taking drugs? well, i think one could be the absolute insane expectations to be this characature of yourself. I think it hurts all of them. You mention prince's wardrobe, he only wore clothes like that because one time some girls in the early days said "there goes prince" one of the girls said "no that's not prince, look how he's dressed" from that moment on prince swore to never again be seen in normal clothes. That's sad to me, really sad. Bruce had a better reaction to fame in his bio "when all eyes weren't on me, I wanted all eyes off me" someone who really doesn't even want recognition offstage. Bruce kept it all in perspective pretty well. He himself even admits he's a fraud just like the jersey places that spawned him in his recent bio. He also says he's the realest thing you'll ever see.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

also, a lot of their personas, they, meaning rock stars, are largely just image. Elvis said it once"The image is one thing and the human being is another. It's very hard to live up to an image, put it that way. " It's got to be stifling, intimidating, frightening and oppressive living with an image that you may not have even meant to create is difficult, and like Elvis said with the keywords "human being". I think Prince might have coped with it by covering up in glitz, glitter, disguise the important thing is, these men aren't the image they put out and it literally kills them trying to live with it all. A lot of the image just might not be real at all. I still remember speaking to Bruce Springsteen biographer, he basically called him a fake, and maybe he is, i don't think so but maybe he is, i don't know him.

Yes a lot of them are, but a lot of them are an expression of who the person is.

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The most successful ones I believe the persona image and person are very close to who the person is.
And instead of using a paint brush or camera, they do it through music. The ENTERTAINERS do it through music and clothing and expression.

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Artists are visionaries.

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I believe the Prince that modelled on the cover of the Lovesexy lp was 100% Prince. There was nothing wrong with the photo. It wasn't 'gay'. What that photo did, whether Prince intended or not, was it put up a mirror to peoples souls. Men (and it was mostly men) who cried 'gay' and shunned it or were afraid or 'ashamed' to by it were telling on themselves.

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I also strongly believe the more 'conservative' Prince we saw in 2001-2008 was more forced. I'm not attacking the Jehovah's Witness denomination, but Prince was really working to be emershed in it during that time. The whole Rainbow Children project was going to be WAY bigger than that. It was the JW who kind shut Prince down. Paisley Park was going to be used at times as a vehicle for worship and the music including what was to be the RC pt 2 was going to delve further into the sacred Jehovah's Witness hymns.

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People like Prince and Michael Jackson lived in the studio and on stage. It was an escape that became their reality. So it was all real. I don't think it was a dual lifestyle. Prince wasn't jeans and tshirts in private and then lace and leather in public. I appreciate the 'magical' worlds of music people like them created. They came out of the 1970s and prior periods where Hollywood and life on the screen and stage were these wonderful worlds of vision. Madonna is another. What that person ment by Bruce being fake, I don't know, what they mean. Are they saying he wasn't the jean and tshirt blue collar guy?
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For whatever reason we don't get that same level of 'wonder' from artists (most) after the 80s.

PeteSilas said:

I never really got the chance to ask him for specifics, as I'm just a nobody, but his name is Charles Cross, writer and a guy who started his career as a bruce springsteen fanatic. My thoughts are that Charles, being the hound that he was, finally pissed somebody off either bruce or his handlers and they told him to fuck off. why do i think this? well, he never has a good word to say about bruce, you know, people don't change that drastically without a reason, so i think part of it was just a personal grudge, but I really don't know.

As far as the image/person, it really all depends and it depends on who you ask too. Anyone who studies the business of music knows that the image of an artist is as or more important than the talent, what is said is that an image should be relateable to a demographic and that it has to be real because a fake image doesn't go over well. I don't know if i agree with that last part. I think we see pieces of a person but that also, the image and all that stuff, people get lost in the bullshit because it's confusing. I think it causes more problems than it's worth myself. You want to talk about a cause of taking drugs? well, i think one could be the absolute insane expectations to be this characature of yourself. I think it hurts all of them. You mention prince's wardrobe, he only wore clothes like that because one time some girls in the early days said "there goes prince" one of the girls said "no that's not prince, look how he's dressed" from that moment on prince swore to never again be seen in normal clothes. That's sad to me, really sad. Bruce had a better reaction to fame in his bio "when all eyes weren't on me, I wanted all eyes off me" someone who really doesn't even want recognition offstage. Bruce kept it all in perspective pretty well. He himself even admits he's a fraud just like the jersey places that spawned him in his recent bio. He also says he's the realest thing you'll ever see.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes a lot of them are, but a lot of them are an expression of who the person is.

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The most successful ones I believe the persona image and person are very close to who the person is.
And instead of using a paint brush or camera, they do it through music. The ENTERTAINERS do it through music and clothing and expression.

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Artists are visionaries.

.

I believe the Prince that modelled on the cover of the Lovesexy lp was 100% Prince. There was nothing wrong with the photo. It wasn't 'gay'. What that photo did, whether Prince intended or not, was it put up a mirror to peoples souls. Men (and it was mostly men) who cried 'gay' and shunned it or were afraid or 'ashamed' to by it were telling on themselves.

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I also strongly believe the more 'conservative' Prince we saw in 2001-2008 was more forced. I'm not attacking the Jehovah's Witness denomination, but Prince was really working to be emershed in it during that time. The whole Rainbow Children project was going to be WAY bigger than that. It was the JW who kind shut Prince down. Paisley Park was going to be used at times as a vehicle for worship and the music including what was to be the RC pt 2 was going to delve further into the sacred Jehovah's Witness hymns.

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People like Prince and Michael Jackson lived in the studio and on stage. It was an escape that became their reality. So it was all real. I don't think it was a dual lifestyle. Prince wasn't jeans and tshirts in private and then lace and leather in public. I appreciate the 'magical' worlds of music people like them created. They came out of the 1970s and prior periods where Hollywood and life on the screen and stage were these wonderful worlds of vision. Madonna is another. What that person ment by Bruce being fake, I don't know, what they mean. Are they saying he wasn't the jean and tshirt blue collar guy?
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For whatever reason we don't get that same level of 'wonder' from artists (most) after the 80s.

With regard to Bruce, it's relevant to note that in his biography he talks about decades long struggle with depression and how his life, literally, was only saved becuse his wife knew he was in such emotional pain that he needed professional help and medication and she dragged him to a doctor. Oh, Prince...if only...

that's right, we discussed this over a year ago in regards to prince. I couldn't believe bruce had that kind of depression, i thought he was doing the sell-a-book routine, i really, really did but someone on here said they were waiting on him in some restaurant and said that he was really really out of it and his wife was talking to him like a baby. I don't get it, i know about depression, alot of us artists do but i couldn't see being depressed with a life like that, my depression, i'd like to think, comes from real life difficulties, not some internal mess. One thing i'll say about this in regards to bruce is, i do think he bought too much into psychiatry, he seems brainwashed by it, when you've got the bucks he has, everyone you come across, including shrinks will try to sell their wares to you. I think he's gotten to far off into the field, not to say that problems don't exist, he says his father was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic late in life, which is surprising because a serious psychotic issue like that usually can't go that many years without causing major disruptions in a persons ability to work and live. I know his dad had problems but the problems always sounded run of the mill, the brooding guy who hates his family because he has to work a shitty job for them and ignore his own dreams. At any rate, it's a great bio, the best by any musician ever.

As far as Prince, people have said he was depressed, maybe he was but he wasn't so depressed as to not be at his very best as a singer/musician at the time of his death and still putting on a helluva show so it's a little confusing. The people who have said he was depressed haven't been enumerated and or grilled on what they meant.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

I never really got the chance to ask him for specifics, as I'm just a nobody, but his name is Charles Cross, writer and a guy who started his career as a bruce springsteen fanatic. My thoughts are that Charles, being the hound that he was, finally pissed somebody off either bruce or his handlers and they told him to fuck off. why do i think this? well, he never has a good word to say about bruce, you know, people don't change that drastically without a reason, so i think part of it was just a personal grudge, but I really don't know.

As far as the image/person, it really all depends and it depends on who you ask too. Anyone who studies the business of music knows that the image of an artist is as or more important than the talent, what is said is that an image should be relateable to a demographic and that it has to be real because a fake image doesn't go over well. I don't know if i agree with that last part. I think we see pieces of a person but that also, the image and all that stuff, people get lost in the bullshit because it's confusing. I think it causes more problems than it's worth myself. You want to talk about a cause of taking drugs? well, i think one could be the absolute insane expectations to be this characature of yourself. I think it hurts all of them. You mention prince's wardrobe, he only wore clothes like that because one time some girls in the early days said "there goes prince" one of the girls said "no that's not prince, look how he's dressed" from that moment on prince swore to never again be seen in normal clothes. That's sad to me, really sad. Bruce had a better reaction to fame in his bio "when all eyes weren't on me, I wanted all eyes off me" someone who really doesn't even want recognition offstage. Bruce kept it all in perspective pretty well. He himself even admits he's a fraud just like the jersey places that spawned him in his recent bio. He also says he's the realest thing you'll ever see.

With regard to Bruce, it's relevant to note that in his biography he talks about decades long struggle with depression and how his life, literally, was only saved becuse his wife knew he was in such emotional pain that he needed professional help and medication and she dragged him to a doctor. Oh, Prince...if only...

[Edited 9/26/17 20:43pm]

emesem said:

Yeah I suspect that is probably along the lines of what happened. To say he is fake is a bit wishy washy.

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The clothing he wore, and began designing for himself and others were very much connected to the music he created. (He designed a Batman-esque gown for Kim Bassinger for an award show in 1989/90) He designed a lot of Madonna's clothing for the Like a Virgin tour. And Prince loved fashion and fashion shows.

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The thing about what he said in response to the girls in 1977 was more about looking on point at all times. He wasn't walking out with Victorian era garb and Versace and 1700/1800 era styled clothing. And he sure wasn't running out in leopard print bikini's with leg warmers lol

But like he told his people in the 1980s he wanted you to look like a star at all times.

Jill Jones talked about him visiting her early one morning in Europe around 3amish and when she came out to his car, he got on her about the shoes she was wearing and how she was dressed. He wanted her to be 'on' at 3am lol she said by this time she just wasn't feeling the Prince scene anymore.

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Yes, I agree, we pieces of a person. Some are more imersed in it, I think we can tell the person who is 'acting' versus the person who is expressing themselves on stage. Not all the time, but I think we can tell the difference.

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Reviewers would tear Sheila E apart in the 80s, because they did not feel that her 'sexual express' was genuine. They praised her playing and dancing, but when she tried to be the sex kitten it did not come across genuine. And I agree. The Glamorous Life Sheila E's sexiness oozed naturally but after that it could come across more forced. Vanity(Denise Matthews) sexual express was real, it was just there, even through the the part this is a character, the sexiness was very naturally sensual.

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I think in this world we are all 'making it up as we go' we exhaggerate parts of ourselves(and that doesn't even mean it isn't real). I just think it makes life more interesting. And the more you are in touch with who you are inside, the less it all affects you drastically. Living in the public eye whether you are the popular club kid or the superstar (or mayor or president) is going to be very hard.

PeteSilas said:

I never really got the chance to ask him for specifics, as I'm just a nobody, but his name is Charles Cross, writer and a guy who started his career as a bruce springsteen fanatic. My thoughts are that Charles, being the hound that he was, finally pissed somebody off either bruce or his handlers and they told him to fuck off. why do i think this? well, he never has a good word to say about bruce, you know, people don't change that drastically without a reason, so i think part of it was just a personal grudge, but I really don't know.

As far as the image/person, it really all depends and it depends on who you ask too. Anyone who studies the business of music knows that the image of an artist is as or more important than the talent, what is said is that an image should be relateable to a demographic and that it has to be real because a fake image doesn't go over well. I don't know if i agree with that last part. I think we see pieces of a person but that also, the image and all that stuff, people get lost in the bullshit because it's confusing. I think it causes more problems than it's worth myself. You want to talk about a cause of taking drugs? well, i think one could be the absolute insane expectations to be this characature of yourself. I think it hurts all of them. You mention prince's wardrobe, he only wore clothes like that because one time some girls in the early days said "there goes prince" one of the girls said "no that's not prince, look how he's dressed" from that moment on prince swore to never again be seen in normal clothes. That's sad to me, really sad. Bruce had a better reaction to fame in his bio "when all eyes weren't on me, I wanted all eyes off me" someone who really doesn't even want recognition offstage. Bruce kept it all in perspective pretty well. He himself even admits he's a fraud just like the jersey places that spawned him in his recent bio. He also says he's the realest thing you'll ever see.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes a lot of them are, but a lot of them are an expression of who the person is.

.
The most successful ones I believe the persona image and person are very close to who the person is.
And instead of using a paint brush or camera, they do it through music. The ENTERTAINERS do it through music and clothing and expression.

.

Artists are visionaries.

.

I believe the Prince that modelled on the cover of the Lovesexy lp was 100% Prince. There was nothing wrong with the photo. It wasn't 'gay'. What that photo did, whether Prince intended or not, was it put up a mirror to peoples souls. Men (and it was mostly men) who cried 'gay' and shunned it or were afraid or 'ashamed' to by it were telling on themselves.

.

I also strongly believe the more 'conservative' Prince we saw in 2001-2008 was more forced. I'm not attacking the Jehovah's Witness denomination, but Prince was really working to be emershed in it during that time. The whole Rainbow Children project was going to be WAY bigger than that. It was the JW who kind shut Prince down. Paisley Park was going to be used at times as a vehicle for worship and the music including what was to be the RC pt 2 was going to delve further into the sacred Jehovah's Witness hymns.

.

People like Prince and Michael Jackson lived in the studio and on stage. It was an escape that became their reality. So it was all real. I don't think it was a dual lifestyle. Prince wasn't jeans and tshirts in private and then lace and leather in public. I appreciate the 'magical' worlds of music people like them created. They came out of the 1970s and prior periods where Hollywood and life on the screen and stage were these wonderful worlds of vision. Madonna is another. What that person ment by Bruce being fake, I don't know, what they mean. Are they saying he wasn't the jean and tshirt blue collar guy?
.
For whatever reason we don't get that same level of 'wonder' from artists (most) after the 80s.

I think the 'homoerotic' vibe was never really there. I think that was peoples 'reaction' to Prince.

There is a lot of 'homophobia in peoples adamant need for what we see with Prince to be 'an act' as well. He said only a little bit was acting. And explained what he was talking about.
Prince was androgenous ethnically and gender. That doesn't mean homosexual. That is peoples own internal homophobia.

PeteSilas said:

I happen to think the whole homoerotic vibe was a calculated thing by Prince, one of his early managers recently said prince had even articulated this to him saying he wanted to be someone that no one could tell was straight or gay, this was from the Prince album period. I think it was a very conscious, artistic-commercial decision. I don't know if he ever did anything and there has never been any real serious allegations about any kind of gay sex, plenty of lyrics that toy with the idea, plenty of stage moves that insinuate he was up for it but if he did, i think it was likely very limited.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think the 'homoerotic' vibe was never really there. I think that was peoples 'reaction' to Prince.

There is a lot of 'homophobia in peoples adamant need for what we see with Prince to be 'an act'.
Prince was androgenous ethnically and gender. That doesn't mean homosexual. That is peoples own internal homophobia.

PeteSilas said:

I happen to think the whole homoerotic vibe was a calculated thing by Prince, one of his early managers recently said prince had even articulated this to him saying he wanted to be someone that no one could tell was straight or gay, this was from the Prince album period. I think it was a very conscious, artistic-commercial decision. I don't know if he ever did anything and there has never been any real serious allegations about any kind of gay sex, plenty of lyrics that toy with the idea, plenty of stage moves that insinuate he was up for it but if he did, i think it was likely very limited.

certainly, homophobia is a real part of it, just as the assertion that he was indeed gay is just as much a projection from people. We really don't know, the vibe was definitely there though, from the start. I'll never forget that AB performance where Clark talks to him and he just looks so fucking wierd, i was maybe 11 or 12 and he got the whole house talking "what's wrong with him" I said "he's either gay or crazy or both". Had no idea that that wierdo would change the course of my life.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think the 'homoerotic' vibe was never really there. I think that was peoples 'reaction' to Prince.

There is a lot of 'homophobia in peoples adamant need for what we see with Prince to be 'an act'.
Prince was androgenous ethnically and gender. That doesn't mean homosexual. That is peoples own internal homophobia.

certainly, homophobia is a real part of it, just as the assertion that he was indeed gay is just as much a projection from people. We really don't know, the vibe was definitely there though, from the start. I'll never forget that AB performance where Clark talks to him and he just looks so fucking wierd, i was maybe 11 or 12 and he got the whole house talking "what's wrong with him" I said "he's either gay or crazy or both". Had no idea that that wierdo would change the course of my life.

I always got 'quirky' from Prince from way back

on the Dick Clark AB show I just thought he was being a dick, but not gay.
Maybe because my parents were big 70s partiers and i was exposed to a lot of eccentric people

How can one person decide for everybody if the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

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poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody it the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

I'm personally not giving a 100% final to it

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For me, I see homoerotic vs androgenous as different. That is a fact though. Those are two very different things. Marvin Gaye cross dressed, I don't think he was gay or bisexual.
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I saw him as playful on the stage but not homoerotic. Now the butt bumping with the Gameboyz was homoerotic. I just didn't get it or see it in other places. Now of course he played with it a little bit with JJ & Lisa Coleman, and a tad bit with Sheila E & Cat. But it was very clear with the latter two it was staged.

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but saying Prince was definately homosexual/bisexual and took part in homosexual activity, I don't know how anyone can say that. Those people will have to explain their position.

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Do you have any examples I can look at to consider?

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I hope others reply to poppys question

poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody it the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

yes, i was wondering that as well.

purplefam99 said:

poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody it the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

yes, i was wondering that as well.

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Who is doing this?

And it is very easy to define one way or the other

A. Homoerotic definition:
B. Examples of regular homoerotic vibes:
1. In Prince the individual:

2. In Prince's songs:

3. In Prince's videos:

4. In Prince's live shows:

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We can either come to an easily conclusion one way or another based on facts. Not feelings or senses.

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Go

purplefam99 said:

poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody if the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

yes, i was wondering that as well.

I don't think it's possible. I think people decide that for themselves because of a gut reaction.

purplefam99 and poppys Try

it's possible

purplefam99 said:

poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody it the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

yes, i was wondering that as well.

if it gets hard?

poppys said:

luvsexy4all said:

To anyone that wants to take a real factual stab at it.

A. Homoerotic definition:
B. Examples of regular homoerotic vibes:
1. In Prince the individual:

2. In Prince's songs:

3. In Prince's videos:

4. In Prince's live shows:

purplefam99 said:

luvsexy4all said:

if it gets hard?

Chuckle, it's near the gut.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think (RIP)Steve Fargnoli Bob Cavallo Joseph Ruffalo being his managers foro Prince under WB were very supportive and protective of Prince

co-sign...if only they had been there longer...

Yes, they worked hard for Prince

laurarichardson said:

emesem said:

There is not a lot of it in the later years as he became a big phobe but early on there was plenty in lyrics:

"When he was there...sleeping in between the two of us"

"Have you been so lonely you'll take anyone boy or girl"

"Jack you off"

"Grab somebody for a quick dance....boy or girl it dont matter I"M HOT."

"Whatsa matter with your world....was it a boy when you wanted a girl"

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay"

"I'm not woman, I'm not a man"

"If I was your Girlfriend"

"are you gay....NO ARE YOU?"

Have no idea how Joint to Joint gets mentioned. I always heard that little poem/rap as coming from 99 not prince. And joint to joint to me was talking about the joints bracking the lady parts if anything.

[Edited 9/18/17 14:43pm]

Did you even listen to the rest of the lyrics in these songs. I Would Die For You he is comparing himself to a deity = Jesus. Boy or Girl = In Pop Life = is about people not being satisfied in general and complaining. Dez Dickerson said Prince did not even know what Jack U Off meant to some people. I could get going all day but everybody hears what they want. I know people to this day who he is lusting after white women in "Cream"

That's hysterical! OMG these people

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

How can one person decide for everybody it the homoerotic vibe was there or not?

I'm personally not giving a 100% final to it

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For me, I see homoerotic vs androgenous as different. That is a fact though. Those are two very different things. Marvin Gaye cross dressed, I don't think he was gay or bisexual.
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I saw him(Prince) as playful on the stage but not homoerotic. Now the butt bumping with the Gameboyz was homoerotic. I just didn't get it or see it in other places. Now of course he played with it a little bit with JJ & Lisa Coleman, and a tad bit with Sheila E & Cat. But it was very clear with the latter two it was staged.

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but saying Prince was definately homosexual/bisexual and took part in homosexual activity, I don't know how anyone can say that. Those people will have to explain their position.

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Do you have any examples I can look at to consider?

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I hope others reply to poppys question

exactly OFFS, but you and I may as well be speaking a foreign language to those who have their decision on the matter in their minds and won't loosen the grip even though no ACTUAL evidence exists. 'Gut Reactions' are not sound advice. Alas...

"homoerotic" has always had a hazy definition in my mind, always, from the first time i heard it. did it mean two or more men being sexual with each other? did it mean multiple men being grouped together and without meaning to, being a turn on for Homosexuals? Did it mean making straight men get turned on by any of it? what the fuck does it even mean? I remember Springsteen claiming part of the appeal of the e street band was a homoerotic vibe that made them popular with male fans, i'm not sure if he was joking or what he even meant by it. it's a strange word to begin with. Did prince do things that might turn straight men on? Well, see for yourself some of these guys on the board who seem to forget themselves, and guys like jamie foxx who had the joke about looking into his eyes, was it just a joke? who the fuck knows.

laurarichardson said:

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

--Yes, we remember he did it to piss people off. He was always doing it. Even Wendy said he was more of a lesbian then he was.

Laura... You have no evidence that he did it to 'piss people off', nevermind that that's not even logical.

[Edited 9/27/17 23:36pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

JudasLChrist said:

Does no-one remember when he was on television, I think Arsenio, and he had his male dancers simulate fucking his ass?

I just didn't get that one

What's not to get? Seemed pretty straitforward to me. Literal, even.

I'm going to put this out here again. I've said this a few times on the org over the years. People freak the fuck out, but it's the truth.

I grew up in Minneapolis. Prince used to hang at gay bars in Minneapolis before he got famous in the late 70s/early 80s. My old boyfriend, who was about a decaade older than me, told me that Prince stole a boyfriend from him around this time. He told me that around 1991.

Besides that, I heard from multiple gay men a generation or so above me that Prince was around the scene, and everyone thought he was gay or bi.

Also, later in the mid 90s I also was friends with his personal assistant. He told me stories about Prince flirting with him and his boyfriend while they were getting sexy on the dancefloor at Paisley.

I bring this stuff up because it's so nutty to see people bend over backwards to deny that Prince ever might have touched a dick in his life, or even made the slightest reference to having relationships or sex with men. The person who said "I didn't understand what that was about" when Prince had his backup dancers simulate fucking his ass, is a good example (C'mon, man!). People even deny that Prince might have read as queer semiotically. It's absurd.

Now, I don't find Prince's music particularly homoerotic. That line in Anastesia: "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much you'd take anyone boy or girl", despite being a clear indicator of Prince's bisexual point of view, it isn't particularly erotic. At the moment in the song he's talking about being depressed or lonely and wanting to connect with people, sexually or however. And I struggle to think of any other line that was 'homo' (there are a couple) and also 'erotic'.

I do think that Prince had sex with men on occassion, I think the major factor of his queerness though was his self-stated sense that his personality contained both male and female. I think this was very literal for him. I think it was similar to how some people identify as genderqueer or trans. And that is different than beng gay or bi. Still, I believe he was bi, but heavily oriented toward women.

damn, that's the first time i heard anything like that, you've never mentioned it before have you?

JudasLChrist said:

I'm going to put this out here again. I've said this a few times on the org over the years. People freak the fuck out, but it's the truth.

I grew up in Minneapolis. Prince used to hang at gay bars in Minneapolis before he got famous in the late 70s/early 80s. My old boyfriend, who was about a decaade older than me, told me that Prince stole a boyfriend from him around this time. He told me that around 1991.

Besides that, I heard from multiple gay men a generation or so above me that Prince was around the scene, and everyone thought he was gay or bi.

Also, later in the mid 90s I also was friends with his personal assistant. He told me stories about Prince flirting with him and his boyfriend while they were getting sexy on the dancefloor at Paisley.

I bring this stuff up because it's so nutty to see people bend over backwards to deny that Prince ever might have touched a dick in his life, or even made the slightest reference to having relationships or sex with men. The person who said "I didn't understand what that was about" when Prince had his backup dancers simulate fucking his ass, is a good example (C'mon, man!). People even deny that Prince might have read as queer semiotically. It's absurd.

Now, I don't find Prince's music particularly homoerotic. That line in Anastesia: "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much you'd take anyone boy or girl", despite being a clear indicator of Prince's bisexual point of view, it isn't particularly erotic. At the moment in the song he's talking about being depressed or lonely and wanting to connect with people, sexually or however. And I struggle to think of any other line that was 'homo' (there are a couple) and also 'erotic'.

I do think that Prince had sex with men on occassion, I think the major factor of his queerness though was his self-stated sense that his personality contained both male and female. I think this was very literal for him. I think it was similar to how some people identify as genderqueer or trans. And that is different than beng gay or bi. Still, I believe he was bi, but heavily oriented toward women.

I've mentioned it on The Org a few times over the years. The response is often infuriating, from people accusing me of lying, to folks insisting that I'm being slanderous (which is just offensive), to full on people quoting bullshit from the bible at me. Lots of homophobes on The Org.

PeteSilas said:

damn, that's the first time i heard anything like that, you've never mentioned it before have you?

JudasLChrist said:

I'm going to put this out here again. I've said this a few times on the org over the years. People freak the fuck out, but it's the truth.

I grew up in Minneapolis. Prince used to hang at gay bars in Minneapolis before he got famous in the late 70s/early 80s. My old boyfriend, who was about a decaade older than me, told me that Prince stole a boyfriend from him around this time. He told me that around 1991.

Besides that, I heard from multiple gay men a generation or so above me that Prince was around the scene, and everyone thought he was gay or bi.

Also, later in the mid 90s I also was friends with his personal assistant. He told me stories about Prince flirting with him and his boyfriend while they were getting sexy on the dancefloor at Paisley.

I bring this stuff up because it's so nutty to see people bend over backwards to deny that Prince ever might have touched a dick in his life, or even made the slightest reference to having relationships or sex with men. The person who said "I didn't understand what that was about" when Prince had his backup dancers simulate fucking his ass, is a good example (C'mon, man!). People even deny that Prince might have read as queer semiotically. It's absurd.

Now, I don't find Prince's music particularly homoerotic. That line in Anastesia: "Have you ever wanted to play with someone so much you'd take anyone boy or girl", despite being a clear indicator of Prince's bisexual point of view, it isn't particularly erotic. At the moment in the song he's talking about being depressed or lonely and wanting to connect with people, sexually or however. And I struggle to think of any other line that was 'homo' (there are a couple) and also 'erotic'.

I do think that Prince had sex with men on occassion, I think the major factor of his queerness though was his self-stated sense that his personality contained both male and female. I think this was very literal for him. I think it was similar to how some people identify as genderqueer or trans. And that is different than beng gay or bi. Still, I believe he was bi, but heavily oriented toward women.

JudasLChrist said:

I've mentioned it on The Org a few times over the years. The response is often infuriating, from people accusing me of lying, to folks insisting that I'm being slanderous (which is just offensive), to full on people quoting bullshit from the bible at me. Lots of homophobes on The Org.

PeteSilas said:

damn, that's the first time i heard anything like that, you've never mentioned it before have you?

the only time i recall a story like this was from Vainandy about 10 years ago, the gay thing got brought up so often I tended to just ignore those threads because they generally never go anywhere. Well, if Prince was gay, bisexual or more straight than gay, we'll find out more I think. But who knows, rockstars are known to do lots of fucking yet how many people who aren't in the business come out and say "yes, elvis fucked me" you know it happened but not a lot of women come out with that. Prince never struck me as gay just because he, like me and a lot of men, rather would be around women than men, how many men have you seen him support in the last twenty years? so, i always thought that was a very telling thing. Little Richard, like Prince, spoke against homosexuality but from all the stories I heard, and even one i can tell myself (he invited me to his house, then on sunset boulevard somewhere, and I doubt it was just to talk music) Richard has always had stories of being an incorrigible flirt, there was one on youtube i saw a couple months ago that cracked me up, some young stage hand told how a few years ago, he escorted Little richard and crew backstage, when he first saw little richard, he says the man had great skin for a guy in his seventies, as little richard walked past him, he goosed him, it just rang true, and funny. Prince? I haven't heard a lot of stories like that but they are out there. There was some musician from the 80's who had a daughter who bragged about prince and her dad having sex, which is wierd for a daughter to be privy to, but i have only heard a few stories like that, now yours is a new one.