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Thread started 09/18/17 11:56am

luvsexy4all

The homo eroticism of his body..of work

where's the orger who swears "Joint 2 Joint" fits this category????

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Reply #1 posted 09/18/17 2:24pm

RJOrion

luvsexy4all said:

where's the orger who swears "Joint 2 Joint" fits this category????

LMAO...too funny..... now you got me going to check the song lyrics...

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Reply #2 posted 09/18/17 2:32pm

RJOrion

"Damn, you got the rock to give a brother cream (Cream)
And if we're ever naked in the same machine
I'm gonna lick it, baby, joint to joint"

"I never sucked sour splints from a chew stick
Don't lick bics because fire sticks to flame (flame)
Get wicks to catch brothers who choose to let burns remain
Now I see all Dicks, Toms and Harrys are not the same
Some dipped in my lower lip, sipped a supple poison"

"Up the stairs to my lovely room
Stroke your face and you're under soon
Sitting in the corner in your underwear
Letting me caress your nappy hair
Joint to joint, nothing comes for free
If you show your love, you can get with me
And if you light my candle, we can share the stone"

...well, damn... i never rally got that deep into the Emancipation lp, so i wasnt aware of the lyrical content of that song...but looking at them now, the lyrics are very suspect....to say the least...but thats not the first or last time P had been as revealing...

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Reply #3 posted 09/18/17 2:43pm

emesem

There is not a lot of it in the later years as he became a big phobe but early on there was plenty in lyrics:

"When he was there...sleeping in between the two of us"

"Have you been so lonely you'll take anyone boy or girl"

"Jack you off"

"Grab somebody for a quick dance....boy or girl it dont matter I"M HOT."

"Whatsa matter with your world....was it a boy when you wanted a girl"

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay"

"I'm not woman, I'm not a man"

"If I was your Girlfriend"

"are you gay....NO ARE YOU?"

Have no idea how Joint to Joint gets mentioned. I always heard that little poem/rap as coming from 99 not prince. And joint to joint to me was talking about the joints bracking the lady parts if anything.

[Edited 9/18/17 14:43pm]

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Reply #4 posted 09/18/17 2:49pm

dodger

RJOrion said:

"Damn, you got the rock to give a brother cream (Cream)
And if we're ever naked in the same machine
I'm gonna lick it, baby, joint to joint"



"I never sucked sour splints from a chew stick
Don't lick bics because fire sticks to flame (flame)
Get wicks to catch brothers who choose to let burns remain
Now I see all Dicks, Toms and Harrys are not the same
Some dipped in my lower lip, sipped a supple poison"



"Up the stairs to my lovely room
Stroke your face and you're under soon
Sitting in the corner in your underwear
Letting me caress your nappy hair
Joint to joint, nothing comes for free
If you show your love, you can get with me
And if you light my candle, we can share the stone"





...well, damn... i never rally got that deep into the Emancipation lp, so i wasnt aware of the lyrical content of that song...but looking at them now, the lyrics are very suspect....to say the least...but thats not the first or last time P had been as revealing...



In case you don't know a portion of those lyrics are rapped/spoken by the female rapper/poet Ninety-9. And are lifted from a track of hers
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Reply #5 posted 09/18/17 3:05pm

RJOrion

dodger said:

RJOrion said:

"Damn, you got the rock to give a brother cream (Cream)
And if we're ever naked in the same machine
I'm gonna lick it, baby, joint to joint"

"I never sucked sour splints from a chew stick
Don't lick bics because fire sticks to flame (flame)
Get wicks to catch brothers who choose to let burns remain
Now I see all Dicks, Toms and Harrys are not the same
Some dipped in my lower lip, sipped a supple poison"

"Up the stairs to my lovely room
Stroke your face and you're under soon
Sitting in the corner in your underwear
Letting me caress your nappy hair
Joint to joint, nothing comes for free
If you show your love, you can get with me
And if you light my candle, we can share the stone"

...well, damn... i never rally got that deep into the Emancipation lp, so i wasnt aware of the lyrical content of that song...but looking at them now, the lyrics are very suspect....to say the least...but thats not the first or last time P had been as revealing...

In case you don't know a portion of those lyrics are rapped/spoken by the female rapper/poet Ninety-9. And are lifted from a track of hers

i didnt know at all...i just googled the lyrics after seeing the thread...thanks for clearing that up..

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Reply #6 posted 09/18/17 3:12pm

johnnyribcage

Always seemed pretty clear cut in its homoeroticism to me.
Bob... Ain't dat a bitch?
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Reply #7 posted 09/18/17 6:39pm

datdude

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There is not a lot of it in the later years as he became a big phobe but early on there was plenty in lyrics:

"When he was there...sleeping in between the two of us" newsflash, lyricss aren't always to be taken literally. there's shock value, there's metaphor, etc. (what if he lost a girl to say Andre, and they all fell asleep on the bed one day... just saying. I've looked at this more metaphorically than literal

"Have you been so lonely you'll take anyone boy or girl" for companionship or sex? u assume the latter

"Jack you off" " using one's hands to pleasure a woman can fit in this category too

"Grab somebody for a quick dance....boy or girl it dont matter I"M HOT."

"Whatsa matter with your world....was it a boy when you wanted a girl" could this be referring to the gender of a child? i have always thought so

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay" - a legitimate question that ppl had, nothing to do with HIM being homoerotic

"I'm not woman, I'm not a man"

"If I was your Girlfriend" - the point of this song has been dissected thoroughly, i'm surprised you still don't get it. so here goes. he wanted the same level of access, intimacy that women often reserve for only their closest female friends.

"are you gay....NO ARE YOU?" - again, an exchange of questions ONLY

Have no idea how Joint to Joint gets mentioned. I always heard that little poem/rap as coming from 99 not prince. And joint to joint to me was talking about the joints bracking the lady parts if anything.

[Edited 9/18/17 14:43pm]

some of these are just REACHES pure and simple. perhaps from those who WANT there to be more homoeroticism than there actually is. the printed lyrics of joint to joint seem to be suspect but i think if i basked in it, a different perspective might emerge. i just don't care too much for Emancipation so i've missed much there

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emesem said:

There is not a lot of it in the later years as he became a big phobe but early on there was plenty in lyrics:

"When he was there...sleeping in between the two of us"

"Have you been so lonely you'll take anyone boy or girl"

"Jack you off"

"Grab somebody for a quick dance....boy or girl it dont matter I"M HOT."

"Whatsa matter with your world....was it a boy when you wanted a girl"

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay"

"I'm not woman, I'm not a man"

"If I was your Girlfriend"

"are you gay....NO ARE YOU?"

Have no idea how Joint to Joint gets mentioned. I always heard that little poem/rap as coming from 99 not prince. And joint to joint to me was talking about the joints bracking the lady parts if anything.

[Edited 9/18/17 14:43pm]

most of that is not homoeroticism

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What's the matter with your world, was it a boy when you wanted a girl-Pop Life is talking about a parent/woman wanting a girl child instead of a boy

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whether intentional or not, there are lyrics that 'play' with gender bending, but not homoerotic.

Like 'The Belle of St Mark' a 'belle' is a woman not a man

Mazarati's Suzy is about a trans that Sir Casey Terry went out on a date with without knowing

there are other stuff

Jack U Off, Dez said Prince did not realize that term was something only geared about a man and a dick

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #9 posted 09/18/17 11:35pm

Splanknasty2

"There's some kings in my deck and a queen or two
So you know there ain't nothin',
Nothin' that I wouldn't do”.

“Men and women come and go
They say my heart’s uncaring
Maybe they don’t hold me like she does.”

The whole of the Camille album.

Prince was a bit queer. At one point he was brave enough to play with it. It’s really all right.

[Edited 9/18/17 23:36pm]

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Reply #10 posted 09/18/17 11:46pm

Splanknasty2

And ACTUALLY: why are we calling Prince's queer lyrics 'suspect'? There's nothing 'suspect' about being queer. That energy literally made him what he was. It's human and beautiful.


Just check out that Oprah interview where she asks him 'You have a female side?' and he just goes "Yeah, and I'm fine with it."

I don't think this is necessarily a matter of 'Was Prince a bit gay?' It's more a question of "Was Prince's personality and work greatly influenced by some queerness?".

The answer's "I don't know, it's not as if he recorded an entire album under a female pseudonym or anything."

[Edited 9/18/17 23:49pm]

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Reply #11 posted 09/18/17 11:55pm

BlackSweat86

“Men and women come and go

They say my heart’s uncaring

Maybe they don’t hold me like she does.”



The whole of the Camille album.



Prince was a bit queer. At one point he was brave enough to play with it. It’s really all right.




[Edited 9/18/17 23:36pm]

[/quote]

Always thought that line was "MANY women come and go..."
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Reply #12 posted 09/19/17 12:12am

Splanknasty2

Blacksweat, ha ha! You're probably right... oops

[Edited 9/19/17 0:13am]

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Reply #13 posted 09/19/17 4:43am

Adorecream

SERIOUSLY THIS SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

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984th thread on the org that says "Prince is/was gay"

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People like myself Imago, Alej, Johnboyart and other gay orgers all join in, thread dies.

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Mods please lock this shit.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
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Reply #14 posted 09/19/17 5:36am

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That term 'suspect' is very homophobic. It implies someone is criminal or guilty of something ie homosexuality.

But even 'heterosexual' men crossdress, it is 'queer' but not homosexaulity.

Splanknasty2 said:

And ACTUALLY: why are we calling Prince's queer lyrics 'suspect'? There's nothing 'suspect' about being queer. That energy literally made him what he was. It's human and beautiful.


Just check out that Oprah interview where she asks him 'You have a female side?' and he just goes "Yeah, and I'm fine with it."

I don't think this is necessarily a matter of 'Was Prince a bit gay?' It's more a question of "Was Prince's personality and work greatly influenced by some queerness?".

The answer's "I don't know, it's not as if he recorded an entire album under a female pseudonym or anything."

[Edited 9/18/17 23:49pm]

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #15 posted 09/19/17 5:39am

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Splanknasty2 said:

"There's some kings in my deck and a queen or two
So you know there ain't nothin',
Nothin' that I wouldn't do”.
“Men and women come and go
They say my heart’s uncaring
Maybe they don’t hold me like she does.”
The whole of the Camille album.
Prince was a bit queer. At one point he was brave enough to play with it. It’s really all right.

[Edited 9/18/17 23:36pm]

* I think that first line of songs is really dealing with a good hand dealt in life

* That is more about people who come and go in his business/musical life

* Yes 0+> said that Camille(1986-1988) was based on a French hermaphrodite dancer

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
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#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
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Reply #17 posted 09/19/17 7:32am

leecaldon

OldFriends4Sale said:

The funniest line in the whole film, and it didn't even make the final cut confused At least we have it from the trailer.

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Reply #18 posted 09/19/17 8:51am

RJOrion

the people that are quick to swear (in spite of plenty visual and audio evidence that says otherwise) that Prince was not, or did not experiment with homosexuality, are the ones who are acting like there is a crime in being that way...if he was, so what?...he obviously at certain points in his life, WANTED to give that impression...the storyline that he did it for entertainment purposes makes no sense, when androgeny wasnt accepted, especially in the black community in the late 70s...stop demonizing the people who see it for what it was...
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Reply #19 posted 09/19/17 9:05am

Strawberrylova
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Can we please lock this thread, any thread dealing with his sexuality and drug use should be locked
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Reply #20 posted 09/19/17 9:28am

coldasice

Worst post ever...and that's a huge accomplishment
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Reply #21 posted 09/19/17 9:35am

coldasice

It means. You got the notion to give him sex. If he was talking about a guy...He woulda asked for a picture of his father not mother. I guess you also think joint to joint means drugs. Joint is what he called songs. There are basically 4 distinct sub songs in that one song. It's also a play on words about body joints.
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Reply #22 posted 09/19/17 10:05am

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RJOrion said:

the people that are quick to swear (in spite of plenty visual and audio evidence that says otherwise) that Prince was not, or did not experiment with homosexuality, are the ones who are acting like there is a crime in being that way...if he was, so what?...he obviously at certain points in his life, WANTED to give that impression...the storyline that he did it for entertainment purposes makes no sense, when androgeny wasnt accepted, especially in the black community in the late 70s...stop demonizing the people who see it for what it was...

Um it was you who was 'quick' to answer to try to prove something with lyrics you did not even look into, to see what that was all about. Case in point your post #2. Clearly trying to 'see if for what it is-NOT'according to your desire'.

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Yes Prince has homo eroticism in his body of work. But don't just 'quickly' throw stuff out that is so far off base it make me need to question a persons fandom.
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Check post #3. Seriously? who doesn't know that 'was it a boy when you wanted a girl' in Pop Life was about an unsatisfied parent? I knew that shit back in 1985 as a teen.

There is too much stretching stuff for peoples own entertainment here.

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A few of you need to go do your homework before posting lyrics.

Class in in session.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #23 posted 09/19/17 10:40am

RJOrion

OldFriends4Sale said:



RJOrion said:


the people that are quick to swear (in spite of plenty visual and audio evidence that says otherwise) that Prince was not, or did not experiment with homosexuality, are the ones who are acting like there is a crime in being that way...if he was, so what?...he obviously at certain points in his life, WANTED to give that impression...the storyline that he did it for entertainment purposes makes no sense, when androgeny wasnt accepted, especially in the black community in the late 70s...stop demonizing the people who see it for what it was...


Um it was you who was 'quick' to answer to try to prove something with lyrics you did not even look into, to see what that was all about. Case in point your post #2. Clearly trying to 'see if for what it is-NOT'according to your desire'.


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Yes Prince has homo eroticism in his body of work. But don't just 'quickly' throw stuff out that is so far off base it make me need to question a persons fandom.
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Check post #3. Seriously? who doesn't know that 'was it a boy when you wanted a girl' in Pop Life was about an unsatisfied parent? I knew that shit back in 1985 as a teen.


There is too much stretching stuff for peoples own entertainment here.


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A few of you need to go do your homework before posting lyrics.


Class in in session.




you proved nothing...while ignoring everything...thats ok...you are apparently all knowing, in regards to Prince's sexuality...i can live with that...
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Reply #24 posted 09/19/17 10:45am

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RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Um it was you who was 'quick' to answer to try to prove something with lyrics you did not even look into, to see what that was all about. Case in point your post #2. Clearly trying to 'see if for what it is-NOT'according to your desire'.

.

Yes Prince has homo eroticism in his body of work. But don't just 'quickly' throw stuff out that is so far off base it make me need to question a persons fandom.
.
Check post #3. Seriously? who doesn't know that 'was it a boy when you wanted a girl' in Pop Life was about an unsatisfied parent? I knew that shit back in 1985 as a teen.

There is too much stretching stuff for peoples own entertainment here.

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A few of you need to go do your homework before posting lyrics.

Class in in session.

you proved nothing...while ignoring everything...thats ok...you are apparently all knowing, in regards to Prince's sexuality...i can live with that...

I proved it 100% that you assumed lyrics without even looking into.

You prefered Fiction over Fact.

Your Post.

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Not allknowing, but I know a lot.

If that day ever comes that we have fact that Prince was bi or something, then it will.
But there is no proof whatsoever, ESPECIALLY going by the lyrics you 2 posted.
You should take a seat and listen.

dunce

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
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Reply #25 posted 09/19/17 10:46am

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dodger said:

RJOrion said:

"Damn, you got the rock to give a brother cream (Cream)
And if we're ever naked in the same machine
I'm gonna lick it, baby, joint to joint"

"I never sucked sour splints from a chew stick
Don't lick bics because fire sticks to flame (flame)
Get wicks to catch brothers who choose to let burns remain
Now I see all Dicks, Toms and Harrys are not the same
Some dipped in my lower lip, sipped a supple poison"

"Up the stairs to my lovely room
Stroke your face and you're under soon
Sitting in the corner in your underwear
Letting me caress your nappy hair
Joint to joint, nothing comes for free
If you show your love, you can get with me
And if you light my candle, we can share the stone"

...well, damn... i never rally got that deep into the Emancipation lp, so i wasnt aware of the lyrical content of that song...but looking at them now, the lyrics are very suspect....to say the least...but thats not the first or last time P had been as revealing...

In case you don't know a portion of those lyrics are rapped/spoken by the female rapper/poet Ninety-9. And are lifted from a track of hers

No of course RJOrion didn't know. And didn't care to find out, before posting as a fact.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
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Reply #26 posted 09/19/17 10:56am

RJOrion

big deal...i may (or may not) be wrong about one song...but you continue ignore countless other obvious (and coded) examples contrary to your position...but since it really seems to upset you that Prince may have experimented with homosexuality, ill let you finish
[Edited 9/19/17 10:57am]
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Reply #27 posted 09/19/17 11:17am

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RJOrion said:

big deal...i may (or may not) be wrong about one song...but you continue ignore countless other obvious (and coded) examples contrary to your position...but since it really seems to upset you that Prince may have experimented with homosexuality, ill let you finish [Edited 9/19/17 10:57am]

(Or May Not)? Seriously? You're still questioning that song not being rapped by Prince?

You haven't proven anything RJOrion. NoThInG.

If Prince did we know nothing on it.

take a seat and learn something.
Look up the word Speculation

Look up the word Facts

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #28 posted 09/19/17 11:20am

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"There's some kings in my deck and a queen or two
So you know there ain't nothin',
Nothin' that I wouldn't do”.

Good catch. This one always seemed like a great play on words to me too.

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Everyone screaming "lock the thread"... GFYS.

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Reply #29 posted 09/19/17 11:28am

1725topp

OldFriends4Sale said:

emesem said:

There is not a lot of it in the later years as he became a big phobe but early on there was plenty in lyrics:

"When he was there...sleeping in between the two of us"

"Have you been so lonely you'll take anyone boy or girl"

"Jack you off"

"Grab somebody for a quick dance....boy or girl it dont matter I"M HOT."

"Whatsa matter with your world....was it a boy when you wanted a girl"

"Am I black or white, am I straight or gay"

"I'm not woman, I'm not a man"

"If I was your Girlfriend"

"are you gay....NO ARE YOU?"

Have no idea how Joint to Joint gets mentioned. I always heard that little poem/rap as coming from 99 not prince. And joint to joint to me was talking about the joints bracking the lady parts if anything.

[Edited 9/18/17 14:43pm]

most of that is not homoeroticism

.

What's the matter with your world, was it a boy when you wanted a girl-Pop Life is talking about a parent/woman wanting a girl child instead of a boy

.

whether intentional or not, there are lyrics that 'play' with gender bending, but not homoerotic.

Like 'The Belle of St Mark' a 'belle' is a woman not a man

Mazarati's Suzy is about a trans that Sir Casey Terry went out on a date with without knowing

there are other stuff

Jack U Off, Dez said Prince did not realize that term was something only geared about a man and a dick

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Also, you can cross off "If I Was Your Girlfriend" because it’s written from the perspective of a heterosexual male who wants to become as close to his female mate as he possibly can. "If I was your girlfriend, would tell me all the things you forgot when I was your man...If I was your one and only friend, would you come to me if somebody hurt you even if that somebody was me. Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be." This is troping or playing with the notion that, stereotypically, women, but men as well, tend to tell their best friends, in this case their 'girlfriends,' things that they don't their romantic mates. So, to get as close to his female mate as possible, the male narrator is asking to be everything to his female, even her girlfriend/best friend. (As an aside, I’ve always found it unusual that a person’s spouse, lover, or romantic mate is not that person’s best friends. But, as it relates to the song, I guess so many people are taught/indoctrinated to think as a gender rather than as a holistic being that many—not all—men and women become programed that someone of the same gender is more suitable as a best friend, even if their sexual orientation is for the opposite sex. For me, I couldn’t fathom my wife not being my best friend, but I know so many men and women who claim someone other than their spouse as their best friend. And, this is what makes “If I Was Your Girlfriend” so brilliant.” Prince, in an almost a Shakespearian manner, seems to understand human nature and human relationships at a deeper level than most.) Unfortunately, subtly nor nuance sell well in American popular culture so most American dumbasses thought the song was about Prince wanting to be with a man, which, as many, such as Alan Leeds, have speculated over the years, is what helped kill the momentum that Sign 'O' Times was building—that, and his refusal to tour America in support of the album.

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Ironically, “If I Was Your Girlfriend” has become a “hood” classic, and I don’t know if that means that the hood—the African-American community—has become less homophobic or more aware of what the song means. Still, when I introduce the song to my students, most of them are suspicious of the title until I explain that Beyoncé’s “If I Were a Boy” is, essentially, a rip-off of “If I Was Your Girlfriend.” I don’t really think that Beyoncé’s song is a rip-off; I’m just an old man who likes to denounce young people’s culture every opportunity I get. And with that, all y’all mofos GET OFF MY LAWNNNNNNNNNN!!!

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