rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

/-I did not say what he did was okay but you realize these pills sneak up on you and people do not realize sometimes how powerful they are. A lot of difference taking a prescribed pain pill the going out to get hammered at some club.

I know people who have gotten alcohol related DUIs and they didn't even thing they had drank that much. I'm just glad nothing happened and hopefully Tiger won't have to be on these meds much longer.

I hope he does not have to be on them to much longer and really just goes ahead and retires there is no cure for slip disc and golfing is the worst thing you can do with a slip disc.

He is only 41 I do not want to see him let these drugs take over just so he can keep playing golf.

Just like I wish Prince had stopped.

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anangellooksdown said:

moonsister said: You think it was synthetic hair, or you know it was synthetic hair? I ask because unless you have any factual evidence to base this on, this is exactly how rumors get started. Careless words.

Not careless at all if you take a look at pictures before he went with the afro no doubt you can see a piece on top covering until the sides....I forget what magazine cover he was on but as I stood in line at a store a group of girls were in front of me whom I did not know- one of the girls shows the others girls saying" thats one lousy fukin wig there" there all laughed & agreed....I had already noticed his piece so no suprise to me.

Was not hard for anyone to see if you looked at most of those photos before going to that afro.

Haha so because some random girls in a grocery store thought it was a piece, then that makes it so? I think it's fair to say most people on this forum are familiar with pictures of Prince prior to the afro. There are plenty of statements from people such as Kim Berry who worked with Prince that contradict your personal assessment, so that still makes the words "careless," unless there are facts to back them up.

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donnyenglish said:

tigerlilyluv said: When I watch Montreux 2009, I think he looks darn good. As healthy as ever. From 2004-2012 he looked really good.

Agreed. However, I'd like to remind everyone that during the 90's, he looked pretty rough sometimes. I remember pics of him pale and extra thin during and post WB battle.

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Yes, and don't forget the stress of the loss of his son and his divorcing Mayte--he was very thin at that time.

rogifan said:

moonsister said:

I think it was a synthetic hair wig. 💂🏼 That's WTF.

And you're basing this on?

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That was his REAL hair, folks!! We've had this debate before.

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You can see the natural hairline. (see below) -- do you see his natural hairline? It's IDENTICAL!!

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rogifan said:

Tiger Woods was arrested for DUI the other night. He released a statement saying no alcohol was involved, that it was an unexpected reaction to prescription painkillers (we'll see if the police report confirms this or if he's lying). They released his mugshot and let me just say I've never seen a photo or video footage of Prince where he looked anything like that. Sure he looked skinny and I think less makeup and the fro made him look older but that's it. With this Tiger photo it's so obvious he's wasted and had no business driving a car. Also he was pulled over at 3AM. Seems an odd hour of the night to have an unexpected reaction to pain medication.

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The last sentence! LMAO!!

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Sure, blame it on prescription pills!

cloveringold85 said:

Well the police report did confirm it wasn't alcohol. So it must have been the meds.

laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Oh for fuck's sake. Read a book. If he wasn't addicted to something, why would he have a pill to begin with???? Why would the doctor be coming in to help him detox and get off the stuff he was on?! He wasn't taking a pill thinking it was a TicTac and someone switched out Fentanyl. He died from a drug overdose. Why were there so many pills found around Paisley Park, why was he picking up prescriptions at Walgreens for years? What were they prescriptions for? An analgesic for a rash?!

--Once again there is no proof of him picking up controlled substances from Walgreens. They found no record of controlled substances for him in the states for at least the last year. Stop getting your info from TMZ. Even if had been picking up RXs from Walgreens it would mean he had an Rx so what would be the big fucking deal other than invading his privacy. You need to go have several seats or try to keep up with what is going on.

The toxicology report suggests his Fentanyl intake was fatally higher than the recommeded dose--now that doesn't exactly scream "recreational drug use" does it? Some deductive reasoning is called for here. In this case, proof of anything doesn't seem to be a given.

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leadline said:

57 minutes in, this is clips from the last show in much higher quality, there was a large debate when folks saw the old footage of this show how bad he looked, with the clearer version, what are all your thoughts now on his appearnce? Personally I think he looks fantastic.

https://youtu.be/no5SnVUBTKI

Whose taking these videos down now? Prince is still here or working still here on earth from the afterlife???

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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The last sentence! LMAO!!

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Sure, blame it on prescription pills!

Well the police report did confirm it wasn't alcohol. So it must have been the meds.

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I see. He shouldn't have been driving. He will probably get slapped with a fine, but he has plenty of money, so he's not worried. But, I think he should retire--he's been doing lousy for years.

pricetag said:

laurarichardson said:

TrivialPursuit said: --Once again there is no proof of him picking up controlled substances from Walgreens. They found no record of controlled substances for him in the states for at least the last year. Stop getting your info from TMZ. Even if had been picking up RXs from Walgreens it would mean he had an Rx so what would be the big fucking deal other than invading his privacy. You need to go have several seats or try to keep up with what is going on.

The toxicology report suggests his Fentanyl intake was fatally higher than the recommeded dose--now that doesn't exactly scream "recreational drug use" does it? Some deductive reasoning is called for here. In this case, proof of anything doesn't seem to be a given.

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As you know, those were illegal Fentanyl pills he took. He probably didn't know the pills were laced with deadly drugs; have you given that a thought?

Astasheiks said:

leadline said:

57 minutes in, this is clips from the last show in much higher quality, there was a large debate when folks saw the old footage of this show how bad he looked, with the clearer version, what are all your thoughts now on his appearnce? Personally I think he looks fantastic.

https://youtu.be/no5SnVUBTKI

Whose taking these videos down now? Prince is still here or working still here on earth from the afterlife???

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Prince is in the Purple Dimension and he's messin' with us!! LOL

Astasheiks said:

--UMG is supposed to be doing it.

cloveringold85 said:

Just goes to show how the media + social media gets things wrong. Media initially claimed he refused a breathalyzer; that was false. Now today I'm seeing Facebook posts that he pulled over to the side of the road which is also false. His car was in the right lane with his foot on the break and a turn signal on.

cloveringold85 said:

pricetag said:

The toxicology report suggests his Fentanyl intake was fatally higher than the recommeded dose--now that doesn't exactly scream "recreational drug use" does it? Some deductive reasoning is called for here. In this case, proof of anything doesn't seem to be a given.

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As you know, those were illegal Fentanyl pills he took. He probably didn't know the pills were laced with deadly drugs; have you given that a thought?

It's very likely he's been taking strong pain medications for years due to chronic pain. With drugs like Fentanyl (illegal or otherwise; laced with anything or not) it's ridiculously easy to get addicted--especially when that pain doesn't go away (and perhaps get worse). This isn't a controversial thing to say. Have you given that a thought? You seem to suggest he stumbled on a boogeyman drug during his last week. Well, maybe, but that's no more likely than what I'm suggesting. Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

cloveringold85 said:

pricetag said:

The toxicology report suggests his Fentanyl intake was fatally higher than the recommeded dose--now that doesn't exactly scream "recreational drug use" does it? Some deductive reasoning is called for here. In this case, proof of anything doesn't seem to be a given.

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As you know, those were illegal Fentanyl pills he took. He probably didn't know the pills were laced with deadly drugs; have you given that a thought?

He thought that he was taking acetaminophen (Tylenol) and hydrocodone pills. It only takes a very small amount of fentanyl to kill a person - 3mg. If Prince was taking the normally prescribed amount of the acetaminophen/hydrocodone pills, and they are laced with fentanyl, that would be enough to kill him.

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cloveringold85 said:

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As you know, those were illegal Fentanyl pills he took. He probably didn't know the pills were laced with deadly drugs; have you given that a thought?

He thought that he was taking acetaminophen (Tylenol) and hydrocodone pills. It only takes a very small amount of fentanyl to kill a person - 3mg. If Prince was taking the normally prescribed amount of the acetaminophen/hydrocodone pills, and they are laced with fentanyl, that would be enough to kill him.

Well, I think we can all agree that there were a lot of pills lying around haphazdly, with a variety of labels, across different rooms, and in carry-on bags. Certainly a lot for a guy who no one considers an addict. Strange that.

pricetag said:

Actually they were not laying around they were in bottles in his living quarters. I do not recall anyone saying they found pills in the studios or under seat cushions or in his cars.It was about 100 pills and a few people on this board who get these pills say they come in 90 day batches. Prince did not have a pill factory in Paisley Park and considering it is a 65 Sq foot facilty he could have hid these pills well enough so they could not be found at all. Think about that for a moment. The security cameras were off so we have no idea what happened in that building until the EMT arrived.
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rogifan said:

--Many of us have been saying for over a year the media today just wants to get media clicks. Trust me you will not see one retraction from any media source about this story.

laurarichardson said:

But they were in aspirin bottles and vitamin bottles? and you keep changing your argument, first he's taking them because of pain, then he's not taking them they were planted then Pat Cousins stole a church so obviously we can add that to Kirk's ingenious plan. Now, who's gonna help me mow the lawn? 🕶

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

Well, I think we can all agree that there were a lot of pills lying around haphazdly, with a variety of labels, across different rooms, and in carry-on bags. Certainly a lot for a guy who no one considers an addict. Strange that.

Actually they were not laying around they were in bottles in his living quarters. I do not recall anyone saying they found pills in the studios or under seat cushions or in his cars.It was about 100 pills and a few people on this board who get these pills say they come in 90 day batches. Prince did not have a pill factory in Paisley Park and considering it is a 65 Sq foot facilty he could have hid these pills well enough so they could not be found at all. Think about that for a moment. The security cameras were off so we have no idea what happened in that building until the EMT arrived. [Edited 5/30/17 14:24pm]

This reads like you're trying to convince yourself. I never said pills were lying around on their own. I never went through an inventory of each room (studio or otherwise). I never gave an exact amount (although your reference to what other people say as 90-day batches feels like it needs more research). I never said Prince had a pill factory at Paisley (is this the iron-clad template for being an addict). I never said he hid pills (although you make a good case for it when you say the securuty cameras were off). Just who, exactly, are you arguing with?

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I see. He shouldn't have been driving. He will probably get slapped with a fine, but he has plenty of money, so he's not worried. But, I think he should retire--he's been doing lousy for years.

Just goes to show how the media + social media gets things wrong. Media initially claimed he refused a breathalyzer; that was false. Now today I'm seeing Facebook posts that he pulled over to the side of the road which is also false. His car was in the right lane with his foot on the break and a turn signal on.

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I blame it on the internet. Every reporter wants to be the first to tweet a story/crime, and oftentimes they get it wrong. What happened to good journalism?

pricetag said:

cloveringold85 said:

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As you know, those were illegal Fentanyl pills he took. He probably didn't know the pills were laced with deadly drugs; have you given that a thought?

It's very likely he's been taking strong pain medications for years due to chronic pain. With drugs like Fentanyl (illegal or otherwise; laced with anything or not) it's ridiculously easy to get addicted--especially when that pain doesn't go away (and perhaps get worse). This isn't a controversial thing to say. Have you given that a thought? You seem to suggest he stumbled on a boogeyman drug during his last week. Well, maybe, but that's no more likely than what I'm suggesting. Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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I've given thoughts to many things since Prince suddenly died. The fact that Prince never overdosed from Fentanyl before suggests to me that he was not a frequent user of the drug. He obviously obtained these street pills and got a bad batch. You honestly think he took that illegal Fentanyl knowing it would kill him? Just curious.

pricetag said:

tmo1965 said:

He thought that he was taking acetaminophen (Tylenol) and hydrocodone pills. It only takes a very small amount of fentanyl to kill a person - 3mg. If Prince was taking the normally prescribed amount of the acetaminophen/hydrocodone pills, and they are laced with fentanyl, that would be enough to kill him.

Well, I think we can all agree that there were a lot of pills lying around haphazdly, with a variety of labels, across different rooms, and in carry-on bags. Certainly a lot for a guy who no one considers an addict. Strange that.

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Pricetag: You said the following: Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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But yet, you jump to the conclusion that Prince was just another drug addict, because that's an easier scenario to accept?

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Isn't that a contradiction?

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cloveringold85 said:

pricetag said:

It's very likely he's been taking strong pain medications for years due to chronic pain. With drugs like Fentanyl (illegal or otherwise; laced with anything or not) it's ridiculously easy to get addicted--especially when that pain doesn't go away (and perhaps get worse). This isn't a controversial thing to say. Have you given that a thought? You seem to suggest he stumbled on a boogeyman drug during his last week. Well, maybe, but that's no more likely than what I'm suggesting. Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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I've given thoughts to many things since Prince suddenly died. The fact that Prince never overdosed from Fentanyl before suggests to me that he was not a frequent user of the drug. He obviously obtained these street pills and got a bad batch. You honestly think he took that illegal Fentanyl knowing it would kill him? Just curious.

I don't understand this argument. No one takes anything assuming it will kill them! I'm assuming we both agree he did take Fentanyl, right? I would have thought the attempted intervention of an addiction specialist prior to his death would tip you off to the fact that Prince was conscious of its dangers should he not be able to cease using it (in advance of his supposed accidental injestion of a "bad batch" the night before). C'mon. Think it through.

cloveringold85 said:

It's all we got I'm afraid; we'll never likely know the true facts in this case; and certainly not what Prince was thinking the night before. And it's a damn sight better than wishful-thinking...

cloveringold85 said:

pricetag said:

Well, I think we can all agree that there were a lot of pills lying around haphazdly, with a variety of labels, across different rooms, and in carry-on bags. Certainly a lot for a guy who no one considers an addict. Strange that.

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Pricetag: You said the following: Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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But yet, you jump to the conclusion that Prince was just another drug addict, because that's an easier scenario to accept?

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Isn't that a contradiction?

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"What we like to think might have happened" ergo "wishful thinking". Do I have to spell things out now?

pricetag said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Pricetag: You said the following: Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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But yet, you jump to the conclusion that Prince was just another drug addict, because that's an easier scenario to accept?

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Isn't that a contradiction?

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"What we like to think might have happened" ergo "wishful thinking". Do I have to spell things out now?

...and I'm not jumping to any conclusions...I'm suggesting an addiction is just as likely as accidentally injesting a bad batch; I don't see you concede to my position at all, so who's jumping to conclusions? I would add, though, given my description of the drug scenario at his house, along with his hirign of an ADDICTION SPECIALIST, my "addiction" argument has a slight edge.

pricetag said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Pricetag: You said the following: Like I say, let's try to use deductive reasoning here...not what we like to think might have happened.

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But yet, you jump to the conclusion that Prince was just another drug addict, because that's an easier scenario to accept?

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Isn't that a contradiction?

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"What we like to think might have happened" ergo "wishful thinking". Do I have to spell things out now?

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I know how to read, thank you!

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Your "wishful thinking" is that Prince was a drug addict. Okay, that's all folks!

pricetag said:

I am telling you what is not in the search warrant and what is. I am being factual I am not arguing. I would think some raving druggie would do a better job of hiding his stash in a 65 sq foot facilty especially since the entire free world saw the news reports about Moline. You realize the police could have come storming in at anytime after Moline with a search warrant for drugs. Yet they were easily found and Prince the raving the drug addict had time to throw a party, go shopping, and out to a jazz club. Oh he also appears to have had time to work on some music. Does any of this make sense for a person who after Narcan shots should have been as sick as a dog from withdrawals? Not arguments just questions.