Laura, I won't engage with you if you start your word-twisting thing again. That's not an interesting game for me to play.

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Specificially:

- Where do I say I don't believe Judith Hill? I said nothing of the sort. On the contrary, what I don't find particularly persuasive are the people on this forum who insist that the 13-word description she provided -- ""His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- could not possibly correlate an opioid OD.

- Where did I mention anything about Kirk? The line I cited from the warrant is what the detective quoted from the documentation saved by the doctor who treated Prince, not from Kirk.

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If you believe that the evidence is stronger that he had an epileptic seizure on the plane than an opioid OD, that's your choice. I'd be interested to read reputable sources that support your thesis. I've cited a few of my sources and there are plenty of other reasons but I've already discussed them many many times on these boards.

laurarichardson said:

Okay so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. You also have a medical professional telling you that people are given Narcan when they are just unresponsive. The information about what he took in Moline the search warrants came from Kirk. I do not take anything he has to say seriously.

disch said:

Re: Moline OD: It's not just some random, silly belief that he ODed. A warrant states "the Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose."

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It was also reported in many reputable publications that he was revived with Narcan; for example in this New York Times article: "he was revived on the tarmac with a shot of Narcan."

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I'd be interested to read information from a reputable source that his plane emergency wasn't opioid-related, but I haven't seen anything like that. Just people insisting that this one sentence from the Judith Hill article -- "His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- somehow means he didn't OD.

I am asking you do you believe Judith or not? Also she said a little bit more than his eyes became fixed if you go back and read the article. Why don't you answer the question? Anything at this point is possible reguarding his health you just have it in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs. Even when a medical professional is telling you of another possiblity. Which is fine if that is what you think. I just do not know too many people who plan their overdose two years in advance.

disch said:

Laura, I won't engage with you if you start your word-twisting thing again. That's not an interesting game for me to play.

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Specificially:

- Where do I say I don't believe Judith Hill? I said nothing of the sort. On the contrary, what I don't find particularly persuasive are the people on this forum who insist that the 13-word description she provided -- ""His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- could not possibly correlate an opioid OD.

- Where did I mention anything about Kirk? The line I cited from the warrant is what the detective quoted from the documentation saved by the doctor who treated Prince, not from Kirk.

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If you believe that the evidence is stronger that he had an epileptic seizure on the plane than an opioid OD, that's your choice. I'd be interested to read reputable sources that support your thesis. I've cited a few of my sources and there are plenty of other reasons but I've already discussed them many many times on these boards.

laurarichardson said:

Okay so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. You also have a medical professional telling you that people are given Narcan when they are just unresponsive. The information about what he took in Moline the search warrants came from Kirk. I do not take anything he has to say seriously.

[Edited 7/18/17 10:58am]

She also did TV interviews......

What did you think of the article from the Star Tribune about the 2 narc shots?

laurarichardson said:

You wanted to see the link about the article about people in Minn not having too much to say about Prince and his wild times with drugs. I provided you with the link. May whole point which you challegened was that it is odd that none have mentioned his wild times abusing drugs in the Minneaoplis suburbs or within his own music community. I provided the info you claim I did not have.

In fact I have provide more than one link to back up w hat I have to say. I believe things that are plausible and factual. I do not get my info from TMZ or tabloids. I understand HIPPA laws and I understand that we will never know all of his medical issues unless his family wants to release the i nformation.

If you cannot tell the difference from what we know from actual factual info from unkown sources I cannot help you.

As for your second question. Are you even trying to ask good questions anymore?

The article is about people not spreading rumors about Prince's life via the media based on Tabloids coming to town and paying for info. The women who took the picture is being interviewed by a real newspaper about why she did not sell her picture to a tabloid. Did you notice that she did not sell the pic to the Star Tribune? Did you notice that the Star Tribune is not a tabloid ? Did you know that the article is not a gossip tell all about Prince's life?

We are discussing interviews that people did not give exposing Prince's personal life and supposed drug use which are not discussed in this artilce at all.

1Sasha said:

Were the police contacted in Moline? If so, is there an incident report? Or was that strictly medical with no authorities involved? I don't know what the Illinois statutes mandate, but I am wondering about other reports that might flesh out what happened that night.

That is a good question. Not sure how he got to ride off into the sunset with dope and the cops were not called but then again Andrew is still walking around as free as a bird so who knows. The law is not the same for everybody I guess.

Please tell me you understand that are interviews were about her pictures not Prince' s personal life she also did not sell her pics. Get it togeher. Also the Star is reporting from unknown sources but they actually interviewed real live people for the story I linked. If you took the time to read it you would know this.

PennyPurple said:

She also did TV interviews......

What did you think of the article from the Star Tribune about the 2 narc shots?

laurarichardson said:

You wanted to see the link about the article about people in Minn not having too much to say about Prince and his wild times with drugs. I provided you with the link. May whole point which you challegened was that it is odd that none have mentioned his wild times abusing drugs in the Minneaoplis suburbs or within his own music community. I provided the info you claim I did not have.

In fact I have provide more than one link to back up w hat I have to say. I believe things that are plausible and factual. I do not get my info from TMZ or tabloids. I understand HIPPA laws and I understand that we will never know all of his medical issues unless his family wants to release the i nformation.

If you cannot tell the difference from what we know from actual factual info from unkown sources I cannot help you.

As for your second question. Are you even trying to ask good questions anymore?

The article is about people not spreading rumors about Prince's life via the media based on Tabloids coming to town and paying for info. The women who took the picture is being interviewed by a real newspaper about why she did not sell her picture to a tabloid. Did you notice that she did not sell the pic to the Star Tribune? Did you notice that the Star Tribune is not a tabloid ? Did you know that the article is not a gossip tell all about Prince's life?

We are discussing interviews that people did not give exposing Prince's personal life and supposed drug use which are not discussed in this artilce at all.

Laura, again, you're twisting words, so I'm going to bow out of this little chit-chat after this post. Feel free to follow up however you'd like, of course.

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Specifically you say below:

"Why won't you answer the question?" Well, in addition to the fact that I'm not required to post things just because you order me to, you didn't ask me a question. You made a statement -- "so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. " -- and I responded that the premise of your statement was false. I explained why below. But just to make it even clearer: I have no reason to doubt that JH accurately described what she saw. What I disagree with is that her description isn't possibly compatible with an opioid OD. I think it is.

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As for other health issue, I haven't said anything here one way or the other about that, so again, your just making up that "in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs." This discussion was about the Moline plane emergency.

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You've insisted over the past months that Prince had many, many, many different conditions -- various kinds of cancer, organ failure, joint failure, hepatitis C, epilepsy, etc. What I think you're failing to understand is the difference between someone like me saying "we don't have evidence for something" (for example, there's no information publicly available that he was being actively treated for any specific chronic condition in the final year of his life) and saying "it's impossible that something occured." Those aren't the same thing.

laurarichardson said:

I am asking you do you believe Judith or not? Also she said a little bit more than his eyes became fixed if you go back and read the article. Why don't you answer the question? Anything at this point is possible reguarding his health you just have it in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs. Which is fine if that is what you think. I just do not know too many people who plan their overdose two years in advance.

disch said:

Laura, I won't engage with you if you start your word-twisting thing again. That's not an interesting game for me to play.

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Specificially:

- Where do I say I don't believe Judith Hill? I said nothing of the sort. On the contrary, what I don't find particularly persuasive are the people on this forum who insist that the 13-word description she provided -- ""His eyes fixed,” just before he nodded off across a table from her" -- could not possibly correlate an opioid OD.

- Where did I mention anything about Kirk? The line I cited from the warrant is what the detective quoted from the documentation saved by the doctor who treated Prince, not from Kirk.

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If you believe that the evidence is stronger that he had an epileptic seizure on the plane than an opioid OD, that's your choice. I'd be interested to read reputable sources that support your thesis. I've cited a few of my sources and there are plenty of other reasons but I've already discussed them many many times on these boards.

Basically the tree is Prince od'ing and you know who the other person is

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Deep gratitude to everyone on this thread working so hard to get as close as possible to the truth of why we lost Prince too soon. The love expressed in all these efforts is palpable, powerful and ultimately will provide the balm for our collective grief. Blessings.

once again this^^^^^^^^somemore of this please.

yes good

"His eyes fixed" - Judith Hill (a medical expert). Grand mal(logic) seizure it is then!

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

I came across this interview with Dr. Drew. It's from last year, so some of his information is not accurate; however, he does provide some very good insight on what may have happened to Prince.

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He explains that Opiates only makes pain worse. The key is for these doctor's to wean their patients off them as quickly as possible.

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He also states that he believes Prince was "severely dependent", and not an addict.

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He also says that usually when someone dies of a Fentanyl overdose; they take the pills, then go to bed and die in their sleep. The fact that Prince was found unresponsive in the elevator is still perplexing to many.

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Anyways, around the 5:00 mark is when Dr. Drew starts talking about Prince. It starts breaking-up towards the end, but you will get the gist of it.

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http://wgnradio.com/2016/...-our-time/

On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed.

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

I didn't think it was, but didn't look it up either-that warrant on post#535 says it's controlled-so much incorrect info ..

Why is the warrant so sloppy. What was going with this investigation?

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I just think they didn't have the manpower for such a huge investigation; they were overwhelmed, thus mistakes are made.

laurarichardson said:

Please tell me you understand that are interviews were about her pictures not Prince' s personal life she also did not sell her pics. Get it togeher. Also the Star is reporting from unknown sources but they actually interviewed real live people for the story I linked. If you took the time to read it you would know this.

PennyPurple said:

She also did TV interviews......

What did you think of the article from the Star Tribune about the 2 narc shots?

3rd times a charm. What did you think of the article about the 2 narc shots?

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: On his show he said that very few people die from opiad overdoses unless they are mixed with other drugs or alcohol because you keep vomiting up everything. He also said in his show that what Judith described sounded like a seziure because she said he stopped speaking in mis sentence and his eyes became fixed.

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

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Peace, DD55

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Askin and question in not twisting words. Did you not notice the question mark? I also used the word "If" since I really do not know what you think.

You continuoulsy caring on about drugs as if in the last year we have no idea that he died of a drug overdose. What is the purpose of it?

I have not insisted anything as I have put these issues out as real possibilities based on some things we actually know (hip/joint problems) and some things that have been rumored. It is possible that Prince could have had any of these problems.

We have information concering hip surgery I will post the link below. We know Hep C was discussed before see the search engine. We have information that he was in the hospital in 2015 and 2014 for treatment via Kirk's comments in the search warrent. We know from the search warrant that he saw Dr. S twice in 2016 which according to Dr. S was for hip pain. We know from the Carver County Log that he was taken to the hospital in 2014 for dehydration.

All of this stuff is a matter of public record. In addition, what in God's green earth would make you think that if he had Rx under an assumed name and travel arrangements under an assumed name that he went to see a doctor or checked into a hospital under his legal name?

See link below concerning interview with Ebony were his recent surgery is discussed in the article as he come limping into the room for the interview. This is public record. Funny how we have no public recrod about his stay in Moline that has not been redacted and a hosptial that still is saying he was never a patient. We have some proof in the public record that he health issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/the-day-i-hung-out-at-princes-house-talking-fame-disguises-and-michael-jacksons-death/?utm_term=.adca5cb936f7

Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag.

disch said:

Laura, again, you're twisting words, so I'm going to bow out of this little chit-chat after this post. Feel free to follow up however you'd like, of course.

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Specifically you say below:

"Why won't you answer the question?" Well, in addition to the fact that I'm not required to post things just because you order me to, you didn't ask me a question. You made a statement -- "so you do not believe Judith but you believe unknown sources. " -- and I responded that the premise of your statement was false. I explained why below. But just to make it even clearer: I have no reason to doubt that JH accurately described what she saw. What I disagree with is that her description isn't possibly compatible with an opioid OD. I think it is.

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As for other health issue, I haven't said anything here one way or the other about that, so again, your just making up that "in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs." This discussion was about the Moline plane emergency.

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You've insisted over the past months that Prince had many, many, many different conditions -- various kinds of cancer, organ failure, joint failure, hepatitis C, epilepsy, etc. What I think you're failing to understand is the difference between someone like me saying "we don't have evidence for something" (for example, there's no information publicly available that he was being actively treated for any specific chronic condition in the final year of his life) and saying "it's impossible that something occured." Those aren't the same thing.

laurarichardson said:

I am asking you do you believe Judith or not? Also she said a little bit more than his eyes became fixed if you go back and read the article. Why don't you answer the question? Anything at this point is possible reguarding his health you just have it in your mind that his problems were all drugs and only drugs. Which is fine if that is what you think. I just do not know too many people who plan their overdose two years in advance.

cloveringold85 said:

DD55 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

I respect Dr Drew, Think he is knowledgable however, he’s going on what a reporter said that JH said, JH is not a medical professional and her description might not be exactly how a medical person would describe things (telephone game only with medical terms)… just thinking out loud on this one.

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However, I think that due to the fact that that plane made a very rapid descent (I don’t have the link right now), medial personnel were called quickly when they were only 45 min from Minnie shows that someone on that plane knew this was not seizure. Medical attention was needed immediately. That’s how I read this anyway, IMHO.

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Peace, DD55

Medical attention is needed for a seziure as well and no one on that plane was a medical professional.

Judith also said she was blind sided by the reporter so she did not know she was going to be asked about Prince which means she did not have to time to work on her story.

It is almost 30 minutes before they get down to the ambulance.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Please tell me you understand that are interviews were about her pictures not Prince' s personal life she also did not sell her pics. Get it togeher. Also the Star is reporting from unknown sources but they actually interviewed real live people for the story I linked. If you took the time to read it you would know this.

3rd times a charm. What did you think of the article about the 2 narc shots?

I think it came from unknown sources. What do you think of the low cost of the ambulance ride?

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said: Why is the warrant so sloppy. What was going with this investigation?

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I just think they didn't have the manpower for such a huge investigation; they were overwhelmed, thus mistakes are made.

They had no idea what they were dealing with. Read the article below about how quickly and similar case was solved in Portland Ore. The pain meds were not from China they came in the mail from

North Carolina and it was not hard to track the dealer down.

I think major mistakes were made.

http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/07/05/an-18-year-old-girl-died-from-a-synthetic-opioid-she-bought-online-heres-how-portland-police-cracked-the-case/

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

Unfortunately, I think we could go back and forth on whether it was an accident or deliberate. We are trying to figure out what happened to someone who meant so much to all of us. That being said, we can rely upon what some others have revealed publically. The Graceland management group person said that Paisley Park needed a great deal of work/repair/maintenance in order to be ready to receive visitors; does anyone remember when PP would be painted every six months or so to keep it in top shape? In 2014, a Rolling Stone writer went to PP to interview Prince; the writer mentioned in the article that he saw evidence of disrepair, such as a couch with worn fabric. Does anyone ever think Prince would let something like that slide? IMO not unless he had something else on his mind to worry about/deal with. 2014 is the two years before - the year Tyka said he told her his work was done, that she knew or felt the end was coming. So what happened from 2014 to 2016? We can all review what we have read. Finally, (again I am a broken record on this) without the autopsy report we can do nothing but speculate as to his medical condition.

He has some work done because he put some pic on his Social media of some work on the sound stage and we know some of the exhibits were already together when Graceland came along. He may have been preparing to make upgrages or repairs for turning it into a museum.

I do believe something slowed him down from getting this museum project off the ground because blueprints and plans were drawn up. See some other things I have been thinking about.

1) A couple of other things I noticed. Why would Prince need to fly under an alias like Peter Bravestrong if he was taking private jets? He would not have had to check his luggage and he would not have needed a tag on the luggage?

2) Why did Romero the bodyguard say he packed Prince’s personal bags up and until the day he went on vacation and never saw any drugs in the bag? Did the police search all his bags? Was the bag that was search a bag or a suitcase?

3) Why was Prince covered up so much in the last year of his life even in St. Barts? He even has gloves on in many pictures. Go back to him watching the tennis match a few years back. He is sitting outside wearing a long sleeve top and a turtle neck. Was he cold all the time? Is being cold a sign of pill use?

4) Why did Chris Connell look like he was going to fall off the stage at his last show with not even enough drugs in his system to cause in overdose and Prince could get through an acoustic show without missing a beat. Chris had used drugs since he was 14 and he did not look like 50 miles of bad road in the face which is how Prince looked from pics from the Atlanta show.

5) Why are so many people that knew him adamant that he was not a recreational drug user? It is not that easy to hide the abuse of these pills over the long haul.

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Allow me to offer my point-of-view, if I may:

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1) Prince probably always used aliases when he traveled because he didn't want to be hounded by the media, I'm guessing.

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2) If Romero packed Prince's bag, I'm sure Prince was able to add or remove things from his own bag while he was traveling.

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3) Prince started covering-up more (not showing as much skin), when he became a JW.

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4) Prince was grieving the loss of his beloved friend, Denise (Vanity); and the stress showed on his face.

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5) People who knew Prince never saw that he had a drug problem/or was a recreational drug user.

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cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

How the heck do you know they didn't on April 21st? Where are you getting your information? You seem awfully tight fisted with it.

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Hence why I said "I'm sure they did"........or maybe they didn't check the kitchen. None of us know that for sure. The food was still in the fridge when they had the Memorial service, so it appears that they did not check the kitchen. I'm not saying they DID or DID NOT, just saying that it doesn't seem that way, at least to me.

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Please, calm down now, okay?

We did not see anything in the search warrants about the rest of the facility being searched or if anything he ate was taken to a lab. So we have no idea. The only reason we have any info about his food was because the Roberts ran to the media immediatly with their story which I found very strange.

laurarichardson said:

Askin and question in not twisting words. Did you not notice the question mark? I also used the word "If" since I really do not know what you think.

You continuoulsy caring on about drugs as if in the last year we have no idea that he died of a drug overdose. What is the purpose of it?

I have not insisted anything as I have put these issues out as real possibilities based on some things we actually know (hip/joint problems) and some things that have been rumored. It is possible that Prince could have had any of these problems.

We have information concering hip surgery I will post the link below. We know Hep C was discussed before see the search engine. We have information that he was in the hospital in 2015 and 2014 for treatment via Kirk's comments in the search warrent. We know from the search warrant that he saw Dr. S twice in 2016 which according to Dr. S was for hip pain. We know from the Carver County Log that he was taken to the hospital in 2014 for dehydration.

All of this stuff is a matter of public record. In addition, what in God's green earth would make you think that if he had Rx under an assumed name and travel arrangements under an assumed name that he went to see a doctor or checked into a hospital under his legal name?

See link below concerning interview with Ebony were his recent surgery is discussed in the article as he come limping into the room for the interview. This is public record. Funny how we have no public recrod about his stay in Moline that has not been redacted and a hosptial that still is saying he was never a patient. We have some proof in the public record that he health issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/the-day-i-hung-out-at-princes-house-talking-fame-disguises-and-michael-jacksons-death/?utm_term=.adca5cb936f7

Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag.

But the issues that you have put out here, are not facts. Correct? Real possibilities? By whose standard are these real possibilities? People have said that he had a drug problem, but you don't even think that is a real possibility. Your putting these issues out here, are nothing more then you spreading rumors.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

He has some work done because he put some pic on his Social media of some work on the sound stage and we know some of the exhibits were already together when Graceland came along. He may have been preparing to make upgrages or repairs for turning it into a museum.

I do believe something slowed him down from getting this museum project off the ground because blueprints and plans were drawn up. See some other things I have been thinking about.

1) A couple of other things I noticed. Why would Prince need to fly under an alias like Peter Bravestrong if he was taking private jets? He would not have had to check his luggage and he would not have needed a tag on the luggage?

2) Why did Romero the bodyguard say he packed Prince’s personal bags up and until the day he went on vacation and never saw any drugs in the bag? Did the police search all his bags? Was the bag that was search a bag or a suitcase?

3) Why was Prince covered up so much in the last year of his life even in St. Barts? He even has gloves on in many pictures. Go back to him watching the tennis match a few years back. He is sitting outside wearing a long sleeve top and a turtle neck. Was he cold all the time? Is being cold a sign of pill use?

4) Why did Chris Connell look like he was going to fall off the stage at his last show with not even enough drugs in his system to cause in overdose and Prince could get through an acoustic show without missing a beat. Chris had used drugs since he was 14 and he did not look like 50 miles of bad road in the face which is how Prince looked from pics from the Atlanta show.

5) Why are so many people that knew him adamant that he was not a recreational drug user? It is not that easy to hide the abuse of these pills over the long haul.

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Allow me to offer my point-of-view, if I may:

.

1) Prince probably always used aliases when he traveled because he didn't want to be hounded by the media, I'm guessing.

.

2) If Romero packed Prince's bag, I'm sure Prince was able to add or remove things from his own bag while he was traveling.

.

3) Prince started covering-up more (not showing as much skin), when he became a JW.

.

4) Prince was grieving the loss of his beloved friend, Denise (Vanity); and the stress showed on his face.

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5) People who knew Prince never saw that he had a drug problem/or was a recreational drug user.

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No need to use an aliase when you are on a private jet. Your bags will not be stolen.

Romero said he actually had the bag with him. He also said he was with Prince 24/7 up until the time he went on vacation.

Covering up is one thing. Standing around in St. Barts with a jacket and gloves is another thing and there are pics of him from the show in St. Barts dressed in the same get up.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

3rd times a charm. What did you think of the article about the 2 narc shots?

I think it came from unknown sources. What do you think of the low cost of the ambulance ride?

I've never seen anything to tell me the low cost of the ambulance ride, let alone an itemized bill.

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

I respect Dr Drew, Think he is knowledgable however, he’s going on what a reporter said that JH said, JH is not a medical professional and her description might not be exactly how a medical person would describe things (telephone game only with medical terms)… just thinking out loud on this one.

.

However, I think that due to the fact that that plane made a very rapid descent (I don’t have the link right now), medial personnel were called quickly when they were only 45 min from Minnie shows that someone on that plane knew this was not seizure. Medical attention was needed immediately. That’s how I read this anyway, IMHO.

.

Peace, DD55

Medical attention is needed for a seziure as well and no one on that plane was a medical professional.

Judith also said she was blind sided by the reporter so she did not know she was going to be asked about Prince which means she did not have to time to work on her story.

It is almost 30 minutes before they get down to the ambulance.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Askin and question in not twisting words. Did you not notice the question mark? I also used the word "If" since I really do not know what you think.

You continuoulsy caring on about drugs as if in the last year we have no idea that he died of a drug overdose. What is the purpose of it?

I have not insisted anything as I have put these issues out as real possibilities based on some things we actually know (hip/joint problems) and some things that have been rumored. It is possible that Prince could have had any of these problems.

We have information concering hip surgery I will post the link below. We know Hep C was discussed before see the search engine. We have information that he was in the hospital in 2015 and 2014 for treatment via Kirk's comments in the search warrent. We know from the search warrant that he saw Dr. S twice in 2016 which according to Dr. S was for hip pain. We know from the Carver County Log that he was taken to the hospital in 2014 for dehydration.

All of this stuff is a matter of public record. In addition, what in God's green earth would make you think that if he had Rx under an assumed name and travel arrangements under an assumed name that he went to see a doctor or checked into a hospital under his legal name?

See link below concerning interview with Ebony were his recent surgery is discussed in the article as he come limping into the room for the interview. This is public record. Funny how we have no public recrod about his stay in Moline that has not been redacted and a hosptial that still is saying he was never a patient. We have some proof in the public record that he health issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/the-day-i-hung-out-at-princes-house-talking-fame-disguises-and-michael-jacksons-death/?utm_term=.adca5cb936f7

Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag.

But the issues that you have put out here, are not facts. Correct? Real possibilities? By whose standard are these real possibilities? People have said that he had a drug problem, but you don't even think that is a real possibility. Your putting these issues out here, are nothing more then you spreading rumors.

I have always made it clear what is a fact and what is a rumor. Somethings are just common sense. I gave a link and some of this info is in the search warrants and the Carver County Logs. Public records. I have a copy of the ambulance invoice and that is a public record also due to FOIA.

The court docs are public records as well.

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

Medical attention is needed for a seziure as well and no one on that plane was a medical professional.

Judith also said she was blind sided by the reporter so she did not know she was going to be asked about Prince which means she did not have to time to work on her story.

It is almost 30 minutes before they get down to the ambulance.

LR, DO NOT ANSWER ANY OF MY POSTS! STAY AWAY FROM ME.

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OMG, when you see a certain person’s posts just SCROLL BY! There is a constant deliberate attempt to derail threads with misinformation, lies, conjectures without merit, twisting people’s words, personal opinions with no foundation, off topic points out of thin air which have nothing to do with the general discussion...

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Heck, we don’t know if this is an algorithm designed for disruption, because the same thing is said over and over and over…. A once calm discussion is now disrupted.

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DD55

So you can make accusations against me which is baseless and I am should stay away from you. You need to stay away from me.

Nothing I just posted is not true. Judith even responded to a question about the interview stating she was blindsided. Nothing is disrupted. Ignore my post and I will ignore you.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I think it came from unknown sources. What do you think of the low cost of the ambulance ride?

I've never seen anything to tell me the low cost of the ambulance ride, let alone an itemized bill.

I can send it to you if you like or tell you were to view it. I am not making up anything. I really do not have to since so much is weird and crazy about this stituation.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hence why I said "I'm sure they did"........or maybe they didn't check the kitchen. None of us know that for sure. The food was still in the fridge when they had the Memorial service, so it appears that they did not check the kitchen. I'm not saying they DID or DID NOT, just saying that it doesn't seem that way, at least to me.

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Please, calm down now, okay?

We did not see anything in the search warrants about the rest of the facility being searched or if anything he ate was taken to a lab. So we have no idea. The only reason we have any info about his food was because the Roberts ran to the media immediatly with their story which I found very strange.

IIRC, it's the media that ran to the Roberts a few days after the reunion of saturday, April 23rd, 2016 at PP.

DD55 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, the Moline incident is very suspicious as we can't get any clear information on what happened. Like you said, Dr. Drew said it sounded like a "seizure" in his professional opinion.

I respect Dr Drew, Think he is knowledgable however, he’s going on what a reporter said that JH said, JH is not a medical professional and her description might not be exactly how a medical person would describe things (telephone game only with medical terms)… just thinking out loud on this one.

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However, I think that due to the fact that that plane made a very rapid descent (I don’t have the link right now), medical personnel were called quickly when they were only 45 min from Minnie shows that someone on that plane knew this was not seizure. Medical attention was needed immediately. That’s how I read this anyway, IMHO.

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Peace, DD55

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True. I don't really know what to make of JH's comments myself. She stated they were having dinner (eating pasta), when all of a sudden, his eyes became "fixed". Based on that, I think Dr. Drew gave his professional opinion and said he "thought" it sounded like a seizure.